August 8, 2013

Partisan fighting spells trouble for church insurance under Obamacare

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President Barack Obama signs the health insurance reform bill in the East Room of the White House, March 23, 2010. (Official White House Photo by Chuck Kennedy)

President Barack Obama signs the health insurance reform bill in the East Room of the White House, March 23, 2010. (Official White House Photo by Chuck Kennedy)

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(RNS) House Republicans have voted 40 times to repeal Obamacare, so observers see little hope of passing a bill to fix a gap in health care reform that poses problems for clergy in church insurance plans.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Wake Up America before it’s to late. Socialism leads to Communism. Obamacare is about control. Share this documentary now: Grinding Down America: http://vimeo.com/63749370 with your Friends & Family. Vote the Democratic Socialist Party out of office 2014. See what Barak & his communist party have planned for your family & America. You’ll be shocked & appalled.

  • Marq George

    Not only is Obamacare Socialism/Communism it is outright Satanism! Obama and people who believe in government taking care of you is worship of Satan.

    When the Jews asked Samuel to give them a king like all the other nations, G-d told Samuel that it wasn’t Samuel they were rejecting, but me (YHWH).

    So it is with these also that they reject G-d and have set (SATAN) the prince of the power of the air to be their god! Hence they worship (BEL-AIR)!

  • Marq George

    PS to my last post. The Republican leadership wants Obamacare too, because they are also controlled by Satan!

    Only the righteous oppose idol worship, and the idea of man ruling over man (Satanic slavery).

  • Paula

    Freedom Fighter,

    What you are saying makes no sense. Canada has a far more socialized medical plan than anything Obama has proposed. It is not a communist country. I wonder if you know the definition of these terms.

  • mike

    Even if it doesn’t use the word, the New Testament implies that Jesus and the early church were thoroughly socialist.

  • Deacon John M. Bresnahan

    The media won’t say it, but many of the problems surfacing with Obamacare are because the bill was passed with virtually none of our so-called representatives even reading the bill. Even worse was the arrogant bragging by Democrat Speaker Pelosi that those complaining could read it after it passed to find out what’s in it. That the non-read part of this monstrously huge bill is now biting the backs of so many who supported the bill (from unions to churches to federal employees) is certainly poetic justice.

  • leftover

    Methodist Church leaders should support HR 676, the Single Payer plan currently in the House of Representatives.
    http://www.pnhp.org/news/2011/february/summary-hr-676-the-expanded-improved-medicare-for-all-act
    With that plan, everyone is covered for all medically necessary goods and services and contribute through payroll taxes based on income.
    http://www.pnhp.org/sites/default/files/Funding%20HR%20676_Friedman_7.31.13.pdf
    No complicated schemes or machinations or entanglements created to prioritize private industry profits over patient outcomes.

  • mike

    leftover, I agree with you. I just took a look at HR 676 online and liked what I saw. I was on military active duty for 30 years and have been retired for 11 years. I’ve enjoyed my 41 years of socialized medicine and wish everyone had it.

  • leftover

    Thank-you for your service. Sorry for the late reply.
    The General Board on Global Ministries of the United Methodist Church at one time endorsed HR676 in one of its earlier versions, but unfortunately I cannot find their statement on it now. (It could have been 4-5 years ago.) I wish they would address the subject again.
    True universal healthcare in a way that is fiscally responsible, financially sustainable and morally agreeable: What’s not to like?
    There’s much more info on the PNHP.org website.

  • Zolicon

    Religion is EVIL and it is the number one cause of Death and Destruction.It all should be banned from the Planet.

  • Kc

    Bills of this size are seldom read. That’s why they have committees work on bills.

  • Fran

    Jesus and his disciples were definitely theocrats, those who supported God’s rule and God’s kingdom or heavenly government (Matthew 4:17) as the only hope for mankind. That kingdom will soon put an end to all human governments (Daniel 2:44) and bring true peace and security to mankind (Psalm 37:10,11).

  • Fran

    Thankfully to God, not for much longer will man rule over man to his detriment!! (Ecclesiastes 8:9; Daniel 2:44)

  • Tom

    Zolicon, why are you on this site?

  • Mark

    This entire article is based on the premise that “once “Obamacare” takes full effect next year”. But it doesn’t. The employer mandate was delayed by the President, so the entire premise of the article that this must be fixed right now is false.

    Frankly, this article seems to have a decidedly political bent as well as having a false premise.

    Also, the situation for churches is no different for other small employers. The subsidies are ONLY available through the exchanges. ANY small employer who offers health insurance is in the same situation described above. Not saying this isn’t a problem, but rather that the problem has been mischaracterized in scope, substance and timing in this article.

  • Sarah Pulliam Bailey

    Hi Mark,
    Since churches don’t fall inside the employer mandate, that part won’t apply to them.

    I don’t know how the article is political, or which way it’s leaning – let me know.

    The situation for church employees is that they can’t use their exchanges to apply to their church plans.

    Thanks for reading and engaging.

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  • Hi Sarah, I was under the empression that Churches are not exempt from the employer mandate?

  • *impression 🙂

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