September 24, 2013

United Methodist high court to consider challenges to gay teachings

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Delegate Jo Ann Carlotto (second from left) of the New England Conference wipes her eyes with a rainbow stole after delegates voted to maintain the United Methodist Church's stance on sexuality during the denomination's at 2012 General Conference in Tampa, Fla.

Delegate Jo Ann Carlotto (second from left) of the New England Conference wipes her eyes with a rainbow stole after delegates voted to maintain the United Methodist Church's stance on sexuality during the denomination's at 2012 General Conference in Tampa, Fla.

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(RNS) The Judicial Council hearings come as at least four United Methodist ministers -- including the former dean of Yale Divinity School -- are facing trial for officiating at same-sex weddings, and more than 1,500 clergy have signed a statement offering to marry gay couples.

  • Frank

    And this is one reason why the Untied Methodist Church is dying.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    It’s so sad to see someone attack UMC for being “insufficiently homophobic.”

  • Carl

    Actually Frank, outside of the US where it is more conservative the UMC is growing and thriving..only in the liberal annual conferences like Baltimore Maryland, Californiia Nevada, Iowa, and New England is the UMC is serious decline

  • Frank

    Yes that’s true. Its true for Christianity in general. Where Gods Word is valued and held Christianity grows. What a concept!

  • Frank

    You probably shouldn’t use words you do not understand.

  • Lou

    This could be another move that will lead to growth in the United Church of Christ.

  • Frank

    Growing worldliness is not the kind of growth the church needs. But I bet that’s what’s fueling this abandonment of Gods Will.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    In the past, Frank has claimed there’s no such word, now he says…

    Thanks for confirming your malicious intent, Frank. Shame on you. what did the United Methodist Church ever do to hurt you?

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Look, Frank has found another respected denomination he will attack for being “insufficiently homophobic.” That’s what the anti-gay Catholic bishops claimed was the “error” of Catholic nuns. I couldn’t have made up that lack of congruence.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    The major Christian, Jewish and other denominations that are marrying same gender couples now are being denied their right to practice their religion freely in 37 US States. These denominations will marry same gender couples in 14 US States and the District of Columbia:

    Affirming Pentecostal Church International
    Alliance of Christian Churches
    The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
    Conservative Judaism
    Disciples Of Christ
    The Episcopal Church
    Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
    Global Alliance of Affirming Apostolic Pentecostals
    Metropolitan Community Church
    Reconstructionist Judaism
    Reform Judaism
    Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
    Unitarian Universalist Church
    United Church of Christ

  • Frank

    Oh grow up. You’re embarrassing yourself.

  • Frank

    A perfect list of churches to avoid. Thanks!

  • Frank

    They aren’t hurting me. They are hurting their people when they teach against the Will of God,

  • tinkerbeliz

    We are a growing united methodist church here in the Philippines

  • tinkerbeliz

    bothered why this is an issue. Transform and be reformed

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Frank has already attacked millions of American Christians and Jews that reject his hate-based misinterpretation of Scripture, it’s no surprise he’d attack me.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    It’s always so sad to see anti-gays tell us they are not Americans by trying to deny Freedom Of Religion to the majority of Americans who support marriage equality. There’s no excuse for Frank attacking these many denominations that way. It’s this blind rage anti-gays exhibit that has caused Americans to reject their bizarre anti-gay agenda.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Once again, Frank claims to be God’s spokesperson.

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  • Frank

    I love it when you post. You expose yourself for what you a really are. Well done!

  • Lance

    Actually, Carrott Cake…we’re all supposed to be God’s “spokespersons”. What we’re not supposed to do, is twist His word to fit our cultural trends. God is the same. He hasn’t changed. We don’t put words in His mouth…we simply repeat and deliver the message He has clearly spelled out already. So, FRANK, thanks for being a “spokesperson” for God!

  • Sam Dechter

    If you don’t like the rules, you should change them, not violate them or abuse them. It is a morality question. How can a minister teach morals and then violate willfully the code or law?

  • Lance

    It troubles me too. What everyone forgets when all this language like “love, acceptance, reform, etc” gets thrown around is that everyone who truly meets Christ is always changed when they do. No exceptions. No one who meets Christ is EVER the same from that moment on. What we are doing is changing up things so that “everyone is accepted” “everyone is loved”. And no one ever gets their toes stepped on, or feels uncomfortable. PEOPLE—-if you go to a church and NEVER get your toes stepped on, or NEVER feel you have been preached at to the point of conviction about something in your life, you are going to the wrong church. This is my opinion. The TRANSFORMATION you speak of, is the person who comes to Christ. Not the denomination transforming to meet the people. At least that’s how it should be. Instead, anyone who is not on board with these changes gets made out to be a “bigot”, “prejudice”, “hater”, “homophobic”. It’s really said….because actually that’s rarely the case at all in a true Christian church. Denying the right to be ordained and serve as clergy is not “hating” anymore than denying someone for not meeting other requirements set forth.

  • John

    Just because someone disagrees with a behavior does not make one “phobic” about it.

    Your comment is an example of the common rhetoric today to define the issue in such a way with hyperbolic language to initiate an emotional response favoring your personal way of viewing the issue while attacking those who who disagree as not worth listening to because they have a mental issue that leads them to be “phobic” on this issue.

    In this case what Peter says about Paul may say more about Peter than Paul.

    Is it possible your self-concept is so fragile it is threatened by people who disagree with you?

  • John

    If Christian grace and love are just 100% acceptance and endorsement of human behaviors (even if the Bible says something that indicates such behavior is not healthy according to how God created people) how is the Christian message anything unique to the humanist message.

    Why would we need Jesus?
    Was Jesus just a really good humanist?
    Is the cross irrelevant?
    Is sin irrelevant?
    Is the Bible irrelevant if it says something we don’t like, don’t agree with, or it judges my behavior?