• Doc Anthony

    The Bishops are correct. They may well lose in the end, (just as American Christianity itself is losing and may soon drop past the point of no return), but at least they are making an effort. They are not waiting on Pope Francis to do the right thing; they’re doing the right thing themselves.

  • to accept Homosexuality as a church leader like a bishop is heresy and those that accwept this God will shurely punish, homoseuxalitty is sin in Gods eyes and all that accept this are condemmed to Hell by committing wickedness in the name of God

  • Stefan

    Thank you, Michael, for your profound article. The bishops are more and more running into the ghetto. As a faithful Catholic I support marriage equality!

  • Joanie

    T0 John Sunol

    Your fear seems to exceed your hardened heart that does not know God.
    Many with this type of “certainty” are often repressing their own sexual orientation.
    Prayers and peace,
    From: an active Catholic educator and proud mother of a gay son

  • Get your religion, and its ancient ignorance out of our government! This is discrimination, pure and simple, perpetrated against 10-15 percent of the population. This is an abomination! Let freedom ring!

  • Dan

    I don’t ask this rhetorically: have the bishops ever supported a piece of legislation that had the express purpose of protecting or advancing the rights and dignity of LGBT Americans?

  • Nanabedokw’môlsem

    At the root, the continuing hassle over the question LGBT has to do with the nature of the sexual orientation in question. If we were to accept that the orientation is merely a matter of choice, which some comments already received seem to reflect, then sexual conduct under the orientation is a sin. If we were to accept that sexual orientation is hardwired in the human being, and no way a matter of free choice, which some comments already received seem to reflect, then it would be sinful of us to discriminate.
    Church policy seems to be the former for a very, very long time, indeed for such a long time as to be a habit since times pre-science, pre-psychology, pre-psychiatry.
    Definitive mental health and biological research is desperately needed.

  • David Farmer


    Well thought out post. If the Bishops claim to want to help end all discrimination, well do that. That doesn’t preclude church teachings on sexual ethics. Jesus didn’t discriminate, but he said plenty of things about sexual ethics. If it’s good enough for Jesus, why isn’t it good enough for us…unless some think they are better than Jesus, especially those that proclaim judgement as if they know who will or will not be condemned to hell.

  • Carl Diederichs

    I guess they didn’t get the message. Holy Father, can you send it again?

  • Jon

    Judge not lest you be judged. Guess you missed that part.

  • Vivian

    Jesus condemns sin and converts the sinner! This was the message of the Good News. Forgiveness and Conversion. Jesus forgave the prostitute caught in action, the thief on the cross, the ones who mocked, spit, pierced his side and crucified Him on the Cross of Calvary. What man is above Jesus?

  • Frank

    A “faithful catholic” supporting a rejection of Gods created order for sexuality and marriage is an oxymoron.

  • Frank

    There is no right to nor dignity in sinful behavior.

  • Frank

    No whether its a choice or born that way, it is still a sin. People have genetic causes of alcoholism but no one would ever say that alcoholism is good.

  • Larry

    The Bishops are trying to pretend there is an inherent right to use one’s bigotry to deny people work and marginalize others in society. They have come up with their own definition of “religious freedom” to mean letting them dictate how civil society runs to the detriment of anyone else. Its a load of crap. One’s right to religious free exercise has always ended where it causes harm to others.

    It is not intolerance and bigotry to criticize speech and actions which intentionally discriminate and marginalize people on the basis of what they are. It is just speaking truth to power.

    The Bishops are going to lose on this because they fully embrace mendacity and bullying over love of God and humanity.

  • Larry

    Jesus actually didn’t say much of anything on the subject of sexual ethics. Certainly nothing useful in modern society.

    As for being good enough for Jesus, well that’s nice but we don’t run our government that way. We are not a theocracy beholden to any Christian clergy’s notion of laws.

  • Larry

    So when did you decide to be heterosexual?

    Have you always felt it was a personal choice?

  • Elledra

    Religious liberty can be awfully vague, especially when people want to excuse prejudicial behavior. I’m a Protestant. Are the bishops going to support me if I start discriminating against Catholics as an “expression of my religious liberty”?

  • Frank

    He said all that needed to be said by affirming what a marriage is, man plus woman.

  • Paul Sho

    The Bishops have the right and the duty to fire anyone working for them who is not willing to toe the line of Catholic moral principles. The Catholic Church will never legitimize homosexual acts come what may. if it is the catacombs again; then we are ready. COME LORD JESUS!

  • Larry

    Frank, how the hell would you know? Nothing you post shows a glimmer of intelligence devoted to a subject.

    Jesus blessed a gay couple.

  • Larry

    No, not really. Only if the job involves the running of a church. Employers in any other kind of workplace have no business whatsoever forcing employees to tow religious dogmatic lines.

    Since the RCC has its hands in a lot of other pies such as hospitals, commercial property and other civil concerns, it has to abide by the same rules as everyone else who runs such things.

    By all means go back to the catacombs and bunkers. Stay the hell out of our government, commercial and civil institutions.

  • Larry

    If you were a Catholic bishop, the answer is yes. Or at least it would be if they were being honest about their POV.

    The laws are pretty damn clear on the subject. Religious liberty is not an excuse to ignore civil laws which regulate something the government has a legitimate interest in. Even Antonin Scalia thought so.
    “the right of free exercise does not relieve an individual of the obligation to comply with a valid and neutral law of general applicability on the ground that the law proscribes (or prescribes) conduct that his religion prescribes (or proscribes).”

  • Paul Sho

    John Christopher Sunol Nov 4, 2013 at 10:03 pm
    Thanks for your clear and concise comment. God bless

  • Danny Berry, NYC

    then stop krapping on gay people.

  • Doc Anthony

    Actually, Jesus blessed some of the ancient Corinthian homosexuals…by saving them, cleansing them and freeing them from homosexuality! (1 Cor.6:9-11)

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  • Larry

    At Doc Anthony. Actually your citation is BS. It says nothing about “curing homosexuality”. If you had a legitimate point to make you would not have lied so badly and obviously. =)

  • The Non-Satanic Frank

    To damn people because of how they were born whores Chridt and makes you and your evill cult satanic.

  • The Non-Satanic Frank

    Someone who calls acceptance of people as God created them against Gods order is simply a moron.

  • The Non-Satanic Frank

    Viv, I don’t know about you, I’m no whore.

  • The Non-Satanic Frank

    Being Catholic, self-righteous , and congenitally thick does not legitimize your persecution of others with no evidence of transgression. you are no better than the savage with the bone through his nose who kills babies born during thunderstorms because his benighted superstition dictates it.