• Frank

    Speaking of an embarrassment…. Where is the real journalism?

  • Larry

    “Is it fear that motivates these filmmakers to repeat the same lie about higher education?”

    Pandering to an audience which largely does not go through higher education and has stereotyped images as to what goes on in colleges. Images spread around by conservative religious media which plays up science as “evil atheism” and most colleges as “bastions of radical leftism”.

    People who produce “Christian films” usually do not know a fact if it came up and bit them on the keister. But like most purveyors of crap niche cinema, they know their audiences.

  • Frank

    Ironic. You use the word crap. Totally fitting.

  • Larry

    So you watch those films?

    Spending real money to see them in a theater?

    If so, do you think it was the casting of Kevin Sorbo as a college professor was inspired?

  • Frank

    Actually I do not but people do and if they get something out of them who are you to belittle it? They should trust you? Hardly.

  • Larry

    So how do you know that I am incorrect in my assessment of these films or their audience?

    IMO Kevin Sorbo’s casting as a college profession in “God is not Dead” was an act of genius, guaranteed cult status and almost assured RiffTrax value. There is something to be said about a film where one could have expected the line (but didn’t), “I will teach you philosophy while cracking walnuts with my massive pectoral muscles” 🙂

    Don’t worry I make fun of fans and producers of a lot of crappy films with no apparent redeeming artistic qualities.
    -Anything with Kevin James
    -The Madea oeuvre
    -Any film touted as “Titanic on a …”
    -Anything with Adam Sandler besides Happy Gilmore (Big Carl Weathers fan)
    -Any film based on obscure TV shows which were popular with baby boomers when they were prepubescent
    -Any movie with the title — Part –, “The Beginning”

  • Daniel

    The myth that higher education leads to a loss of faith is aggressively pushed by those who are not religious in an attempt to paint religious belief as irrational. It’s not surprising that some religious individuals have actually believed this myth.

    Many religions actually run institutions of higher learning, which would be a very foolish thing to do if education led to a lack of faith.



  • Larry

    That is some major revisionist mojo going on Daniel. The people who feel the most threatened by atheists are the ones who are the most dogmatic about their religious belief and the most at odds with higher education.


    [Like the people most likely to deny Evolution, despite overwhelming scientific evidence]

    Fundamentalist always try to reinforce their belief through isolation. Inoculate children from considering their religious belief or exposing themselves to those who might believe differently. [

    The process of education represents one of the first instances when children start interacting with others outside of parental guidance. This is why homeschooling is so popular with that set, as well as “Christian Universities”. To create a bubble of isolation lest they start being exposed to new ideas and challenges.

    Yes, there are plenty of religious based schools with great academic achievements and reputations. However, there are no educational institutions run by Fundamentalists known for vigorous academic standards or as places of real higher learning.

  • Dale Earnhadt

    “an audience which largely does not go through higher education” you quote here: WOW now there is a stereotype. You are rite – us rednek’s dont need no educashun caz we got God!!!! That is a horribly false statement and judgmental.

    So I guess that’s why according to the Gallup survey, 77% of Americans are Christian. A question, what percentage of “largely” does that mean are not educated by higher institutions, because that same organization shows in 2012 70% of Americans attended some type of higher education.

    so who is stereotyping images now?

    BTW – did you notice my name is Dale Earnhardt? I did that on purpose to show I am probably uneducated since we all know everyone who watched NASCAR is probably dumb and lives in trailers, right?

  • Larry

    There is christian and there is Christian. The issue is confused by Fundies who like to take credit for things having to do with mainline Christianity, but did nothing for.

    The country may be 77% Christian but it doesn’t mean that 77% falls in line with fundamentalist nonsense like Creationism. Fundamentalists would use a figure like that to claim that 77% of the nation believes as they do, even though it would be a flat out lie.
    [Lying for the Lord is a popular pasttime for them]

    Lets be honest here, the states with the highest concentration of rednecks per square inch are also at the bottom part of our national education statistics.

  • Thecla

    It isn’t higher education as such that undermines religious belief and affiliation, but CLASS, the most fundamental social reality.

    Religion is a class marker. Amongst the educated upper middle class religious affiliation is socially unacceptable. In college students are enculturated with the behaviors and tastes of the upper middle class. This isn’t an academic enterprise, isn’t promoted by faculty in classes, but by the informal enculturation traditional residential colleges provide. Students learn to shun ugly-food in favor of “healthy” food, to like the correct kind of music–not country–etc. Christianity marks one as trailer trash.

  • larry

    Except it doesn’t really hold up when you get out of Northeast urban areas. There is a sizable old money element which is quite religious. For example, Mitt Romney was not “from the sticks” or from a poor background. Neither was GW Bush. Old money has a tendency to gravitate towards religion as one more institution which can be bought.

    The LDS has a habit of mixing wealth and religious authority. There is a class element where religion and politics meet. Conservative religion gives poor people a rationale to vote against their economic interests.

  • Miss_EH

    If you have any facts which refute any of the things Ms. Turner has written here, by all means, please present them. Simply questioning whether or not something is “journalism’ is not an adequate response, it’s just a pointless insult.

  • Thank you for your article. There is some truth to your point that higher education has been villainized. Your criticism of all Christian-themed movies seems to be pretty extreme, though. There is good and bad in them. If you have a chance, check out the article I wrote on this topic. I would be curious to hear what you think.

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