Pregnant Pakistani woman stoned to death by her family

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Farzana Parveen, 25, was beaten to death on May 27 near the high court in Lahore, Pakistan. She was three months pregnant. Creative Commons photo by Omer Wazir

Farzana Parveen, 25, was beaten to death on May 27 near the high court in Lahore, Pakistan. She was three months pregnant. Creative Commons photo by Omer Wazir

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(RNS) Every year, hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Pakistani women are killed by their families for actual or imagined adultery or premarital sex. Public stoning is rare, however.

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  • Atheist Max

    Shame on these uncivilized, faithful barbarians for murdering this innocent woman. It is a shame there is no hell for them to go to.

    For shame on the world that we cannot muster the courage
    to shout down these ‘holy’ clowns who make these absurdist religious claims.

    Religion is despicable.

  • Rashid.M

    “Religion is despicable”

    ‘Their religion’ is undoubtedly despicable if it allows them to do what they did. My religion would condemn them for it.

    It’s not clear to me though that they are claiming religious justification for what they did. Honour killing and violence towards women generally, to me seems to be more related to a misogynistic patriarchal culture rather than religion. Over the border in predominantly Hindu India (the country Pakistan was a part of pre 1947), they are struggling with many of the same problems. These include acid attacks, rape blamed on the morals of the victim, forced abortions of the female fetus or abandonment of female newborns etc. Following the widely publicised gang rape and death of a young woman on a Delhi bus in 2012, many of these issues have begun to be more openly discussed though there is a long way to go. Anyone interested can google the BBC 3 documentary ‘India: A Dangerous place to be a Woman’ for some recent exposure of this. By the way my post is in no way meant to denigrate Hindus or lessen the atrocities occurring in ‘Muslim’ Pakistan. I only mean to point out that the problem in that region, to me at least, seems culturally broader than just any specific religious ideology.

  • Atheist Max

    @Rashid. M,

    Hello again.

    The word ‘Woman’ means ‘from man’.
    and ‘Female’ means ‘of the male’.

    To use these words to describe the other sex
    is to make a religious statement.
    As if Eve truly came from Adam’s rib! (nonsense)

    The men who kill their daughters and wives in ‘honor’ and ‘shaming’ are enforcing a custom rooted evolution and maintained by religion.

    Patriarchy has roots in evolution. We see it in the primates today. The strongest male apes show dominance over their group. Patriarchy has protective and destructive consequences for everyone in the group – IF YOU ARE AN APE.

    But Patriarchal Authority is beneath human intelligence.
    Yet its perpetuation is fundamentally religious. The delusion is that male dominance is ‘god-given’:

    1. Men ‘own’ women as AS God owns mankind.
    2. Men express ownership by forcing obedience AS God forces obedience.
    3. Men are to treat women as toys AS God treats men as His toy.

    The structural argument that a woman cannot be a fully independent person fully responsible for her own behavior (as men are) is a religious concept.
    Honor killings do not happen to men.

    There isn’t the slightest reason a rational person would require an ‘honor’ killing. Religion intrinsically invites these horrors as it perpetuates the evolutionary impulses to patriarchy. Once understood, it is easy to jettison these reflexive behaviors for what they are – primitive delusions of ownership.

    “.. the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (I Corinthians 11:3)

    “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” (Quran 4:34)

    “The primary purpose of the Hindu woman was to focus on her husband; he was to be her god.”
    “chastity and purity became a substitute for knowledge.” As the Indian Hindu caste systems developed, “female chastity became a major issue” because “a man’s status was not unrelated to his daughter’s or wife’s chastity.”
    – Katharine Young, Hinduism, Oxford Press

    Believe your religion if you wish (they are all indistinguishable)
    but realize you are playing with the most dangerous, inhuman idea ever invented.

    Even if you do not practice its worst injunctions be prepared that your children, friends and family may not have the ability to disregard these injunctions as intuitively as you have.

    Religion is the primitive interpretation and simplification of complicated evolutionary psychology. Adherence to God claims and absolutist injunctions is fundamentally tribal, misguided, divisive and irrational.

    Religion will destroy the world if we do not abandon it.


    My sources:
    Evolution and patriarchy –

    Religious enforcement of patriarchy

  • Atheist Max

    Why does God hate women so much
    that he won’t give them a name?

    ‘Woman’ is only a word that means ‘of Man’.
    ‘Female’ is only a word that means ‘from man’.
    ‘Lady’ is old English for the ‘wife of a Lord’

    Most Gods ever invented have suspiciously failed to give women
    a proper name for their sex which does not first involve the male.

    It is as if God can’t see women
    unless He sees the man first.

    God cannot identify women in any other way.
    Kinda makes you wonder if Gods weren’t just created by MALES?

  • Ian

    I suppose you propose Atheism. Refer to Communism, Cambodia, killing fields, Stalin in the Ukraine,1932/33. and Mao in China, selling all the seed so that up to 100 million died of starvation. Or Hitler Fuehrer of a nation ie God. Trying to kill off everyone but the higher races ie none Germanic. to evolve by un natural selection not Natural Selection. See “Origin of species by means of natural selection for preservation of the favored Races in the struggle for life.” Charles Darwin. What an embarrassing tittle in today’s politically correct world and Francis Galton his cousin books on Eugenics. Fanatical Ideologies are the enemy not religion. Atheism probably the worst of them. When people decide they are their own God they make any rules they like and all hell breaks loose.