• John

    I agree with the analysis of community and the specific benefits of a religious community, but the statement about “I believe in the experience of God …” is confusing. He left Christianity behind and seemingly any organized religion, presumably including any sacred texts. My conclusion at this point is that Geungerigh and anyone else is now totally free to make any interpretation of a god, deity, spiritual force without any support, history, accountability or structure. So this god can be anything you want, but how will that help form a community of support, encouragement, etc. that has strong bonds? You seem more united over what you are against rather than what you are for. No matter all the (answerable) issues in Christianity over events and interpretations, at least there is a history, real people, and sacred texts around which to rally. Sorry, I just am not understanding the quest for spiritual transcendence/religious journey when that which you are seeking is undefined. So we are spiritual beings, but putting more definition on that is resisted. Go figure…

  • Atheist Max

    E – EMPTY
    N – NARROW

    There is no room for Religion in a decent, modern civilization.
    Nor is there any use for it.

    “Execute them in front of me” – Jesus
    “I have come to burn the world” – Jesus
    “drown him with a millstone” – Jesus
    “If they are unworthy remove your blessings of peace” – Jesus
    “slay them where you find them.” – Allah

    How can such inane nonsense be applied
    to any good purpose in a modern world?

    Religion is shameful and despicable.

  • Lles Nats

    So for this guy a “sense of belonging” equals religion…therefore a religious journey.

    To obtain this sense of belonging, it implies a community of similar believers exists to reciprocate the individual. Which is odd because I thought a religious person could experience a practice a relationship with god individually if necessary. As in times of persecution.

    Oh well. Another thing I don’t understand I guess. I wonder how a religious community should encourage its own existence with a government like ours….and friends like athiest max? Seems they are prettt adament about telling us how bad religion is for us as long as its christian.

  • Lles Nats

    Question: why should you be listened too? As I evaluate your message, which is redundant mostly, against the idea that you might be absolutely correct.

    Implying you are one of billions of human animals who all have only this moment to live. As your audience, the cost of listening is high as my main asset, time, always grows short and you are again, redundant.

    Further, unless you demarcate yourself with some brilliant insight that seperates you in the minds for the other human animals, you too will be forgotten and the time I spent as your audience would yield me little benefit.

    So my costs of listening are high, and statistically the chances if you being both repetative with the message and a legend among humans is small.

    But I am glad you mixed it up this time with the cheerleader-ish acronym. I could imagine it painted across a huge sheet of paper with slut cheerleaders and marilyn manson holding it on each side as football players in all black burst through. Fireworks going off in the background, etc.

  • Bob Allen

    Nature can be defined as all that exists and all that occurs naturally. Humans are part of nature so of course we belong to everything, without the need for religion or for a concept of a human-like persona that controls nature for our benefit.

    We have a need for community but it would be better founded upon human compassion and curiosity than on the scam of religion. I think the author too readily discards the idea that Humanists can commune with nature and particularly each other in ways.that satisfy human needs.What Humanism currently lacks is the numbers of people that would make it a widespread solution to human community needs, but that will develop.

  • Atheist Max

    @Lles Nats the Clueless,

    1. Who was talking to you?

    2. You support Al Queda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Zionism, terrorism, suicide bombers and countless other evils and you wonder why I question this despicable thing called ‘faith’. Their argument for their faith is exactly the same as yours. “Ya just gotta believe.” BS!

    3. Unfortunately, you religious people won’t leave us alone – I really wish you would. Not a day goes by without the dangers you promote:

    Religion WORKS AGAINST:
    All Science, Reason, free inquiry, evolution, women’s rights, gay rights, Church State separation, establishment clause of the US Constitution, Socratic method, contraception and sexual health, mental health, intellectual freedom, International Peace, Middle East diplomacy

    Religion PROMOTES:
    Bigotry, Misogyny, Surrender to Eschatological Armageddon, Gullibility, Theocracies, Ignorance of Scientific and Medical methods, Intellectual repression, superstition, Faith Healers and other Con men, Surrender to unaccountable authority, pseudo-science, para-psychology, sexual repression, genital mutilation, Israeli settlements, Islamic hegemony, honor killings, faith-based suicide bombings, holy war, holy terror, etc…

    Religion sanctifies evil by forgiving it – over and over again.

    There it is.
    You demonstrate exactly what I mean by the pitiful disgrace and immorality of religion – the blatant, fascist nonsense against women and sex such as shown in the HOBBY LOBBY CASE.
    This is EXACTLY why I fight your delusional, disgusting philosophy.
    Immoral to the core.

    Religion is a cancer on civilization. Thanks for demonstrating how serious and how important it is that it be abandoned while we are still free to do so!

  • Doc Anthony

    “…But that will develop,” a poster says.

    But Humanism has been around for decades. Ain’t happened.

    Atheism and Humanism offer nothing, and most folks want something.

  • Bob Allen

    Humanism is no “flash in the pan”, it takes a long time for any ism with staying power to become widely accepted. Christianity took a long time and even had to resort to forced conversions.

  • Atheist Max

    “Doctors Without Borders” is one of the thousands of examples of humanism sweeping the globe and doing great things without religion.

    Religion is proving very easy to dispel since the internet
    has de-authorized and de-centralized the libraries of knowledge.

    God is nonsense – but people are real.
    Humanism is superior. There is no debate.

  • Dudley Jones

    Dear Max

    I think I have mentioned this before, so please forgive me for repeating myself.

    When you get a chance, visit some Unitarian Universalist communities – they really are different. If you are too busy for that see their online magazine, UU World.


    best wishes

    ps you might also want to check out Julian Baggini as an example of an atheist who is popular yet non-hostile to his neighbors

  • StepheniT

    Humanism has been around for a while, however, many were not aware of it until the internet, giving everyone information. The internet is one of the main reasons religion is suffering. Access to information regarding genetics, biology, religions, etc. makes it difficult for more and more people to believe the silliness of literal interpretation of ancient religious texts. Religions are no longer able to hide their bigotry, child predators, incomes, etc. An educated, informed person cannot be pacified with trite phrases and excuses from their religious leaders.
    People may WANT to believe someone is watching over them and that they will see their granny again when they die. But wanting something doesn’t make it exist. Children WANT Santa to exist, however, they get to an age where the facts will no longer permit their belief. Young people are now being raised in an era of information thus are not threatened by scientific facts.
    You say that atheism and humanism offer nothing. That is absurd. You may be able to believe something because it makes you feel better and it offers comfort. Many people cannot disregard reality and do not find it threatening. Knowing this existence is finite makes us value it all the more. We cherish and find comfort in each other and value all life forms. It is so much more fulfilling than gathering to worship a mythological being.

  • Atheist Max

    @Dudley Jones,

    Thanks for the invitation. Yes, you’ve invited me before; very kind of you.

    But I see evidence that all religion is a disease on humanity.
    The Universalists do not see it that way, they welcome almost all ‘faiths’.

    Faith is the disease. It is not a valid method of learning or knowing and it should not be respected at all. Though the people who have faith must be allowed to have that faith – I must also be allowed to laugh at it, ridicule it and do all I can to rid the world of this evil.

    Faith is a decision to believe something without evidence. Mohammed Atta and the 18 hijackers had ‘faith’ when they destroyed 3000 people on 9/11.

    Faith is the decision to obey something based on a claim from an unaccountable authority rather than from following your own thinking.

    Faith is the problem not just the lack of a God.
    Until such time as a god is proven to me, religion and faith in particular must be abandoned.

    I am anti-theist. Not Unitarian. All religion is a threat to humanity – albeit I am not against the right to practice it in peace and without challenging American laws.

    I would rather allow your parishioners their Constitutional right to practice their religion without a person like me in their midst.

    I hate all faith. It is too stupid.

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