• Larry

    Any exemption to vaccines besides being not being medically prudent due to a given physical condition of the child are going to be dangerous bullcrap.

    There is no objectively credible rational argument against vaccination. The dumbest of the bunch is worrying about autism or some kind of physical side effect when a disease is known to be lethal to children. Would parents rather have an injured child or a dead one?

  • Heather Vee

    Thank you for this! I have commented on many of Megan’s blog posts, in an attempt to correct some of her misinformation and ignorance, but – perhaps not surprisingly – my comments are no longer accepted.

    Megan has already attempted to “rise to the challenge” of speaking with the older generations about vaccine-preventable diseases; she took a massive survey of one person (her own great-grandmother, who also opposes vaccinations): http://www.livingwhole.org/i-was-told-to-ask-the-older-generation-about-vaccines-so-i-did/

    She definitely resides in her own world of confirmation bias and denial of the benefits of vaccination.

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  • Kayla

    Thank you for writing this piece!

  • dad

    Needless to say people like this Megan will never be able to serve in the armed forces that ultimately protect their right to be fools. Uncle Sam banged multiple shots into each arm that first day, and I sure wasn’t asked if I wanted them!

    But of course getting those shots wasn’t about what was good for me; it was about what was good for the group. And that is precisely what that military service itself was–and is–all about: Making sacrifices for the good of others.

    isn’t that what patriotism really is? And, more importantly,what the Christian life is?

    I confess I no longer understand so many of my fellow evangelicals…

    What am I to make of flag-waving patriots who, as is so often the case, avoid military service, resent every penny they’re taxed, and resist programs for the common good?

    In what way can they be said to love their country? If patriotism isn’t about sacrifice for the common good, what is it? A yellow ribbon on the back of an SUV?

    God help us.

    And I am really supposed to believe that if the all government social programs were to be stopped tomorrow, and all their funding returned to the taxpayers, that these folks would spend this great tax refund on feeding the poor?

    Again, God help us.

    I never thought I would live to see large numbers of people fervently trying to undo nearly everything that made the 20th century so healthy and prosperous for so many Americans.

    Worst of all, I am forced to see them do this in the name of Christ and country.

    God help us.

  • Meleese

    Dad, the irony is her husband is in the armed forces, not sure which branch, the Army, I think.

  • Laura Condon

    The evidence of vaccine failure and injuries is more clear than ever. Like cigarettes and lung cancer, the evidence of harm is overwhelming…many families are experiencing it. It is only those who profit from vaccines who continue to push vaccines and in the face of mounting evidence of the harm from them, the push is harder than ever. The time has come to repeal vaccine mandates. Everyone should be able to freely, without coercion make this medical decision for themselves and their children in consultation with their trusted healthcare providers, just like every other medical decision they make. Religious, medical, philosophical, scientific, moral, conscientious, personal are all reasons to reject these risky and unnecessary pharmaceutical interventions.

  • Larry

    Your data is either phony or crap. Nothing you have mentioned has any relation to vaccination. The only study which linked vaccination to autism turned out to be a hoax. You dangerous idiots have been glomming off it ever since.

    Did you were stop to think that we see more resuts because our reporting of such ailments in the population got more accurate.

    You are saying you would rather have dead children than some with a possible condition whose source is not clearly linked to vaccines. that is not ration. Its stupid.

    The effect of vaccines on populations has been well documented fr decades. Just because you are too lazy to look up des not mean it does not exist.

    The resurgence of DEADLY diseases thought almost eradicated in te populations of developed nations is proof of the dangerous stupidity of people like yourself. I hope you do not have children. You will put them and those around them at risk for your brand of narcssistic ignorance.

  • Larry

    The evidence of unnecessary DEATHS caused by failing to vaccinate is a helluva lot more documented than your alleged injuries. You are basing your hysterical dangerous stupidity on a hoax study that has echo chambered among those who do not think very hard. You are a hysteric who wants the right to put the public at danger. There is nothing to respect about that view.

    The basic stupidity of your argument is that you are trying to prevent possible remote unfounded harm by risking children to almost certain LETHAL harm to themselves and others. You would rather have dead children than risk a possible certainly non lethal improbable condition.

    Freedom of choice does not extend to causing deliberate harm to the public. Not that people like yourself have any regard for the public in general.

  • Judyluce

    People do not realise that most vaccines are grown on animal tissue such as MDCK – dog kidney cells (Flucelvax) Human diploid tissue (rubella and polio) aborted fetal cell lines polio, MMR, chickenpox, Hep B, chick embryo – influenza, bovine serum MMR. No one knows the long term effect as these cells lines are immortal and the fda has expressed concern over their ability to cause tumours. Vaccines are tested on mice, rats and hamsers etc but humans are different – it also depends on the laboratory doing the testing. Pharmaceutical companies do their own testing which in itself gives me no confidence due to Pharma’s track record of corruption.

    Word for word you will find in the following government documents
    As links are held for moderation just put the next paragraph in google

    The next tumorigenic cell line under consideration was the Madin-Darby canine kidney (MDCK) cell line, which was proposed for the production of inactivated influenza virus vaccines (VRBPAC 2005). The MDCK cell line is a spontaneously immortalized cell line established from the kidney of an apparently normal dog. Some variants of MDCK cells are highly tumorigenic, while others are not [reviewed in Omeir et al. (64)]. The Committee accepted the use of tumorigenic MDCK cells for inactivated influenza vaccines and their evaluation in clinical trials.

    The presence of adventitious agents is a safety concern in the use of any cell substrate and throughout the manufacture of any biological product. Adventitious agents are defined as microorganisms that are not intended to be present in a biological product and include bacteria, fungi, mycoplasma/spiroplasma, mycobacteria, rickettsia, protozoan parasites, transmissible spongiform encephalopathy agents, and viruses. In addition to specific regulatory requirements for adventitious agent testing, FDA has issued regulatory guidance for industry and points to consider documents to help manufacturers formulate a comprehensive testing regimen for viral contaminants based upon the cell substrate, raw materials, and manufacturing steps for each vaccine.

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  • mom

    @ Laura Condon, agreed..

  • dad

    Ironic indeed, as he will have been vaccinated many time, as mandated by Uncle Sam, for the good of his fellow soldiers.

    By the way, this summer being the centennial of the outbreak of World War I, it may be interesting to note that the U.S. Army lost more men to the 1918 flu than it did to German guns.

    And THAT is why Uncle vaccinates all his people!

  • judyluce

    Drug companies have spent billions in fines for corruption and criminal behaviour – vaccines are a lottery and if you get a bad batch you or your child might suffer lifelong illness. I personally do not want to be part of the lottery.

    The company that makes much of Canada’s annual flu vaccine and has the country’s pandemic flu vaccine contract has been issued a warning from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

    The letter, dated June 12, lays out a number of concerns, many related to sterility issues and microbial contamination problems at the GSK manufacturing facility in Ste. Foy, Que. The problems were identified during an FDA inspection of the plant from March 31 to April 9.

    The U.S. regulatory agency notes that since 2011 it has rejected multiple batches of flu vaccine from the Quebec plant. It warns that if the problems identified are not fixed promptly the company’s licence to produce flu vaccine for the U.S. market could be suspended or revoked.

    “The deficiencies described … at the close of the inspection referenced above and this letter are an indication of your quality control unit not fulfilling its responsibility to assure the identity, strength, quality, and purity of your licensed biological drug product and intermediates,” the letter states.

    “You should take prompt action to correct these deviations. Failure to promptly correct these deviations may result in regulatory action without further notice. Such actions may include license suspension and-or revocation.”

  • Larry

    Unlike a cut and paste job, I will give sources about why anti-vaxxers are dangerously stupid.

    Vaccines & Autism-A Deadly Manufactroversy
    “Anti-vaccine groups have viciously attacked medical doctors and researchers for simply stating what the current scientific evidence shows. They accuse them of being shills for “Big Pharma” or covering up for government agencies, and they call them offensive names; but they don’t stop there. They threaten people who write about the scientific evidence, and they threaten their children”

    “The anti-vaccine movement is driven mainly by ‘junk science’, litigious greed, hype and ego, as noted in Paul Offit’s new book on the autism controversy. Many skeptics have an obvious conflict of interest. One glaring example described by Offit is the father-and-son team of Mark and David Greier. Mark, under the patronage of the anti-vaccine movement, has published many papers on the adverse effects of vaccination and advocates chelation therapy to treat autism. Conveniently, his son David runs a medical-legal consulting firm that provides expert testimony in vaccine injury trials.”

  • Larry

    CDC Reports About 90 Percent of Children Who DIED From Flu This Season Not Vaccinated

    Measles Outbreak Triggered by Unvaccinated Child

    Parents Not Vaccinating Kids Contributed to Whooping Cough Outbreaks

    Btw “the Big Pharma profits” argument is inherently boneheaded. A vaccine prevents a disease from occurring. It prevents repeat customers. Not much profit to be made in a developed nation where populations are generally stable to declining.

    Pretty much any argument that posits that some remote (unproven) harm caused by vaccination is worse than a high likelihood of DEATH is not based on anything sane or rational.

  • Randomgyrl

    While I am not going to dispute your statistics about chronic diseases, I will ask do you have any proof that these increases are caused by vaccines? A lot has changed since the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s. There are more environmental issues, pollution, allergens, food additives, we have become a fast food nation, eating more processed chemical laden foods all of which can lead to an increase in things like asthma, diabetes, etc. Not to mention the fact that there have been great medical advancements, we are able to diagnose problems sooner and more efficiently. As a whole our society is more accepting of people with things like severe autism when in the past they may have been locked in an institution sheltered from the world. Blaming vaccines is a knee jerk reaction because we feel the need to blame SOMETHING for the problems. Vaccines are just the bandwagon of the week. I have a 2 year old daughter, she was born 13 weeks premature. I did not allow ANYONE around her that did not have their Pertussis vaccine, that included family, friends, and our home nurse that we required for about a month after she came home. I am sorry, but your rights end where mine begin, people not vaccinating their children and themselves puts my child’s life at risk, it’s irresponsible, and it’s dangerous, and I have a problem with that.

  • Larry

    His stats are from a crank website.

    Here are links with examples of their dubious assertions


    Its safe to assume his assertions are phony.

  • RevMark

    Um, doesn’t this make the argument against your position? It appears that the “corrupt” government actually works in preventing unsafe vaccines from being introduced into the US market. Not very convincing. I wonder if you and your spouse could be charged with criminal endangerment if others became sick or died from diseases that your children picked up and passed on? If not criminally liable, I’m sure there would be grounds for civil suits galore.

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  • Rachel Marie Stone

    Which, quite frankly, is all the more troubling, given that I regard the ideas contained within as irresponsible and foolish at best.

  • Liz Levesque

    there are plenty of rationale arguments against vaccines. Just ask the parents of the child that got polio.

  • dad

    Interesting– vaccinations are so terrible, but we don’t want those poor Central American kids on our soil one minute longer because…uh, why is that again..?

    Oh, yeah– because they’re full of dangerous diseases, having of course not been vaccinated back home!


  • Larry

    1. What are you talking about, which child?
    2. Better to ask the thousands people who lived before the vaccine who got polio.
    3. Better even more, ask what it is like to live in a country where such vaccinations are not common

    I know that your hypothetical child won’t be giving polio to me or close relations since vaccination is a given. That is a more rational argument than your nonsense.

  • Krby

    Your numbers are CRAP! There is ZERO evidence that vaccines cause any of the things you listed.

    If you don’t vaccinate, don’t procreate.

  • Jucyluce

    When we are injected with dog kidney, monkey, human embryonic cells etc they can be contaminated with unknown viruses which cannot be removed as to do so would remove the virual particles which are a necessary part of the vaccine.

    Dr. Palevsky…” in my research of the vaccines, and of the basic microbiology and virology that we’re trained to know in our medical training, I cannot understand how a vaccine with a virus can be safe.” it is so tiny that it can only be seen under an electron microscope. It is much smaller than bacteria, which can only be seen in the regular microscope. So viruses cannot be isolated when you make a viral vaccine.
    when a viral culture or a set of cultures are made including the specific virus, you’re going to have the DNA of people or animals who were already infected. Those cells are then taken and grown on animal cells, whether it’s monkey kidney cells or chicken embryo cells. When mixed together, these cells will splice and recombine, which means that DNA from animal cells are going to mix with DNA from the known infected cells with the virus.

    So by definition, a viral vaccine contains foreign animal and, even possibly, foreign human DNA. That’s why if you have an egg allergy, you shouldn’t get certain vaccines because it is known that there’s going to be egg protein in the vaccine. So the question is, how safe is it to inject viral material that is embedded into the DNA of foreign DNA cells? What studies have been done to actually test whether foreign DNA is getting into your body; whether it stays in your DNA; whether it gets into your brain; and whether there are foreign animal viruses that are inherently present in animal DNA to begin with?”

  • “The basic stupidity of your argument is that you are trying to prevent possible remote unfounded harm by risking children to almost certain LETHAL harm to themselves and others. You would rather have dead children than risk a possible certainly non lethal improbable condition.”

    Almost certain LETHAL harm?

    I am amused at the near-hysteria of so many who would insist that every child in America be vaccinated with whatever regimen is currently in vogue. Do you adults also keep all of your vaccinations up to date? Perhaps I should deman proof of vaccination of every adult I encounter because…oops, I don’t go to the doctor enough to know what the current recommendations are for people my age.

    I stopped vaccinating my children for everything recommended when one of my children had a rather alarming reaction to the pertussis vaccine and I found out — guess what — so had his uncles, great aunts, etc. Some of our six children are partially vaccinated; two have never been vaccinated against anything but tetanus. We are not opposed to vaccinations, but consider their merits on a case by case basis.

    We know quite a few non-vaccinaters. We know even more partially-vaccinated children. I realize that anecdotal evidence is not compelling, but it does seem interesting indeed that non of the in-vaccinated or partially vaccinated children I know, including those now grown to healthy adulthood and raising children of their own, have suffered the “almost certain LETHAL harm” that hysterical vaccinators insist they will. The people I know have not caused outbreaks of disease or made vaccinated children sick — my children have been exposed to childhood diseases by fully vaccinated children and yet not gotten sick. Ironic, huh? Even more ironic, I have not been able to convince a few vaccinating parents that their kids had diseases they were vaccinated against (pertussis in one case) and shouldn’t be out in public. Said parents were convinced their kids couldn’t be seriously ill and couldn’t be putting others at risk because “their shots were up to date”.

    Junk science is just that. So is hysteria and a refusal to face facts. None of that is compelling, whichever side of the debate it’s coming from.

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  • judyluce

    It was hoped that following polio eradication, immunisation could be stopped. However the synthesis of polio virus in 2002, made eradication impossible. It is argued that getting poor countries to expend their scarce resources on an impossible dream over the last 10 years was unethical.

    Furthermore, while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere was violated.

    The authors suggest that the huge bill of US$ 8 billion spent on the programme, is a small sum to pay if the world learns to be wary of such vertical programmes in the future.

    “For of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: ‘It might have been’!”


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  • Katarina

    Why is it whenever there is a non vaccination or delayed/select vaccination argument made that is credible and based on fact and logic, the militant pro vaxxers have to run and write a blog to “attempt” to discredit it? If you are so almighty convinced of how wonderful your vaccines are then stop worrying about what other people are doing. You(general) have no right to trample on anyone else’s religious freedom and as a Libertarian, I agree with the HL ruling too. I hear Uruguay mandates vaccines if that intrigues you. Good work, Megan, you know what they say about publicity. We are moving towards a day where more people are realizing that if the product was so great, there wouldn’t need to be scare tactics and shaming or guilting involved.

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  • Rocky

    Seriously. Larry why dont you turn a bucket of vaccine to your head and drink it. That will shut your ass up …forever. Stop trying to force your beliefs on people. Maternal instinct. You will never know what that is. Its a mother doing what she think is best for child. Stop intervening in peoples life. Vaccination is a CHOICE. Leave it at that!!

  • Edie

    Not surprising, as there are millions of stupid people out there.

  • Megan

    Rachel, please read the bible again. And I say again loosely, because I don’t believe you read it once to begin with. You’ve left out the most significant biblical references pertaining to warnings against pharmacies. Along with the vast amounts of references to the importance of blood and that it is NOT to be contaminated. Spewing your garage in the name of God? You just pray about that. And I’ll be praying for you.

  • Childhood illnesses were one of God’s creations. We do our best to provide a good environment so our children will be healthy. If they get sick, it is wonderful to have medical treatments, and if a child dies, he died a natural death. If, on the other hand, we vaccinate a healthy child knowing that there is a risk however small and that child dies, we are guilty of murder. God did not make a mistake when he created us or disease. We make a mistake when we try to play God.

  • AnnaRJ

    Agreed as well. Do your research people and stop “going along with the average American” How about you think for yourself? Imagine a world where people can chose and NOT be bullied about it? Vaccinations have KILLED children…….that was enough for me. If your child is vaccinated, and mine is not then you shouldn’t worry about it, should you all. How is YOUR child effected if MY child is not vaccinated and yours is?

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  • AnnaRJ

    My sentiments exactly. Larry is one of the “bullies” I speak of…shoving bull crap down everyone’s throat and practically forcing people with his “DO WHAT I TELL YOU” tactics. Larry, YOU are “dangerously stupid”

  • Jessica

    What I dont understand is why are all the pro vaccine parents so worried about your children catching anything from all the non followers of vaccines children,? Why get your kids vaccinated if you still have to worry about being “contaminated” whats the purpose.? Also how does america still able to call its self land of the free? Clearly we dont have the authority of our own kids. Bottom line is we birth children for them these are their kids at the end of the day if they want to come in your home and take your kids they can and will. We are forced to do as they say or else…..Everyone says that we basically are killing our kids if they are not vaccinated how is this unhumane but obortions are not? We are allowed to kill our little babies and they put all these diseases out in the population and then turn it aroud on us and call us the bad guys. Why doesnt every one stop focusing on us and start questioning the real ones to blame the one who put these diseases out in the 1st…