Houston subpoenas pastors’ sermons in gay rights ordinance case

Ugh. Of course the likes of Piper and Moore are in a troll-feeding frenzy over this. Anything to change the subject and cast anti-gay evangelicals as the real “victims” of discrimination and harassment. Unfortunately, neither this story nor any of the links explains *why* the Mayor’s attorneys issued the subpoena, which, I have to admit, seems intrusive and unnecessary even at second glance. Is there any precedent or justification for such a request?

Moore and Piper got involved in this because they see the tide of popular culture sweeping over The Church and they can see how quickly things are changing. They know that if we don’t draw clear, dark lines between the church and the world, the church will quickly become irrelevant. This battle is very real and acting like it isn’t won’t do anything but speed up the downward slide.

And then we get snark from Piper.

I have no idea whether Houston overstepped its boundaries, but my mother used to tell me the story of the boy who cried wolf. The trouble with evangelicals constantly claiming victim status is that the rest of us are too worn out and cynical to pay attention, even if they might finally have cause. Call it the “Sarah Palin effect.”

I have often felt the same way, but I think we have to start paying very close attention. What better place to find orthodox believers than in a place of indifference in which these laws can slide by without us blinking an eye due to the disenchantment we feel toward that boy always calling wolf. The rest of that story goes that the wolf really does come and no one pays attention. I need to pay attention now.

Well, you are still free to whine, so yes–The Land of the Free.

Too bad the city is the DEFENDANT in these suits. The only jihad here is by the whiny Christians. Why do Christians have to lie so often to get their point across?

Cassandra, Ron, neither of you read the article closely or have a clue what you are talking about.

The Houston churches are the people who initiated the lawsuit. The city as DEFENDANT is acting well within their rights in using legal procedure to demand information necessary for their case.

How on earth is demanding what the pastors will preach about necessary for their case? I will admit that the right wing people are playing up the victim more than they should, but the government shouldn’t bother with requesting something from the church. The people that issued this are the same people that are always wanting separation of church and state, demanding to see sermons to scrutinize them is a breach of that and of the first amendment.
The right wing community has also gotten on my nerves however; because the first few articles I read about this when it mentions the bathroom thing in the ordinance, they only say that they would allow men to use women’s restrooms and vice versa. Not that having coed bathrooms is necessarily a problem, but I can understand being more comfortable using a restroom that you know only women will be in, so I kinda got why they were suing for that. BUT what the ordinance ACTUALLY said, was that transgendered individuals cannot be denied access to the restrooms and that they can file complaints. THAT I don’t see any issue with at all. So honestly, both sides are getting on my nerves. They need to drop the lawsuit and the government needs to stop this ridiculous attack on churches. They have the right to preach their beliefs, whether that conflicts with the governments beliefs or not.

Larry – No, the churches are not the plaintiffs. Please read the article again.

I don’t think there is a justifiable reason for this no matter what. All people have the right of free speech. However, I just wish Christian and other religious groups would stop lying about us. I was a Christian in ministry and attended divinity school intent on going back to the mission field. I can’t be a Christian now according to the Pastor i led to The Lord in 1979. I know what is said and preached. Ninety percent of it is just not true. We are tired, I am tired, of being called a pervert, child molester, or being told i was molested when i was not. Yes, I’m a transgender female who considers her self just an ordinary woman married to her first wife for 20 years now.

A transgender female is not a man. We are women in all the ways that matter most. I am accepted as a woman everywhere except by Christians. Christians say they love us yet they propagate lies about us. I wish all of you would take the time to get to know a living breathing person and then make up your mind on how evil we are. We don’t hate you. We do not want to hate anyone, but how can you expect us to show tolerance when you actively work to prevent us from having the same rights you do.

Please don’t comment hatefully to this. I will only prove me right when i desperately want you to prove me wrong.

“A group of Christians sued the city. In response, city attorneys issued subpoenas to five local pastors during the case’s discovery phase, though the five pastors were not involved in the lawsuit.”

Did you mean this part, or some other part?

They are interested parties to the suit and material fact witnesses for the plaintiffs.

This has nothing to do with what they preach, it has to do with the political activity they supported. The political activity which lies at the heart of the lawsuit INITIATED by people they campaigned for.

Are all pastors subject to the subpoena or just those filing suit?

Everyone of the gays lesbian lifestyle needs to listen to Jimmy Swaggart ministries. Go to SBN and listen to him and Donnie preach it could save your life from going to hell GOD WILL FORGIVE YOU

Fair enough. Almost all of the commentary circling the web on this is of the Todd Starnes variety and i guess i fell for it thinking it was a real issue.
Thanks
Kim @>—>—–>———–

You’re right about a lot of Christians, Kim, I’m sorry about what they did to you and so many others

One bright side of this picture is that, if the polls are right, most mainline Protestants, and a lot of Catholics and evangelicals, have swung to more loving and affirming views in just a few years, and the tend is continuing, I haven’t seen any polls about attitudes toward trans people, and I suspect the swing hasn’t been nearly as dramatic, so weve stilll have a llot of Work to do. As some old preacher told the Pilgrams as they were about to get on the Mayflower, there is yet more light to shine forth from God’s holy eord

“A group of Christians sued the city. In response, city attorneys issued subpoenas to five local pastors during the case’s discovery phase, though the five pastors were not involved in the lawsuit.”

The pastors were NOT involved in the lawsuit. How hard is that to read?? They are NOT the plaintiffs in the lawsuit!!

Jimmy Swaggart? You have GOT to be kidding.

The pastors, per se, are not being subpoenaed…their sermons are. Ridiculous! What’s the reasoning now?

It sounds to me like this lawsuit and the city’s response to it is about a much narrower issue that most people seem to think. The opponents of the ordinance failed to comply with rules about gathering petition signatures – for example their signature gatherers weren’t registered voters, or they failed to sign the petition pages properly. When thousands of signatures were disqualified this way, the opponents of the ordinance sued, claiming that they should be allowed to break the signature-gathering rules because, well, they wanted to.

Although the pastors being subpoenaed were not themselves the plaintiffs in the lawsuit, they most certainly were opponents of the ordinance and were highly involved in the petition gathering process. That makes them fair game as material witnesses in the suit.

The narrow issue involved here is whether the opponents of the ordinance broke the rules for petition gathering; and if so, can the city enforce the rules on them. If the subpoenaed pastors used the pulpit as a part of the rule-breaking, then what they said in the pulpit is most certainly relevant.

So since the government has designated the itself the arbiter of morality any discussion of it in the Church is political? Nonsence!

Kim, I am disappointed that you as a person who once served in ministry for all those years, would throw the entire body of Christ into one pool of vindictive spite. I know you have heard the saying, love the sinner and hate the sin. God calls what you do an abomination. He also said that a slew of sinners, including adulterers would not enter heaven. Sin is sin according to the Word of God. Homosexuality and sewers of discord are both bad to God. However, His blood covers a multitude of sin, including all of yours and mine. Those who accept Christ as their Savior are saved by grace, not works. Respect the Word of God and fear the Lord.

Larry, can you be more ignorant? The question wasn’t are mosques being sued, the question was are they being subpoenaed. The pastors subpoenaed were not even party to the suit.

Has anyone thought about what the Muslims are preaching about the Gays? If one is to check the Christian pastors on what they say, they must also check what others are saying. This is a slippery slope.

Free speach was given to Obama’s pastor when he said, “God damn America.” What is the problem now? Politicions should not try to cut out of the sermon the things that offend. If that happened, the sins of the people would be next to be “cut.” .

Actually it is the other way around. My home church did not want me to attend Sunday service. I don’t think you saw my other comments concerning Christians. The response above was to only one person who was purposely insulting and calling himself a good representation of Christ like behavior i’d guess. In my experience only 10% (if that) of the Evangelical community is vocally anti LGBT. The rest are silent because they really do not feel as you do because they have befriended real people. It’s much harder to make blanket anti LGBT statements when you have a friend in the community. It is harder still when you have a child or parent who comes out as gay.

However, i think you missed my point. My ‘sin’ is treated differently than other sin’s by Christians. I’m not just a sinner, i’m a blight on society. Christians do not condemn a divorced person or an adulterer in the way they do me. Name calling and insults seem to be perfectly acceptable as the proper way to witness to me. The point of the discourse is not about salvation it is opposition to me as a person. Christians, the vocal ones anyway, do not really treat me as a sinner, they treat me as the incarnation of sin itself by their deeds.The many Christians i knew will not even sit down for coffee with me.

Indecently, I am a transsexual. I converted from physically male to female after 40 years of trying to get ‘cured’. The bible is dead silent on this. You can find verses that are anti gay, but the bible nowhere addresses transition. I have had this confirmed by evangelical Scholars. It simply was not possible to do this in biblical times.

that’s a great question, Janet

I’m a Christian and I KNOW Jesus didn’t teach us to hate. He told us to LOVE one another. You can love a person, while not liking or agreeing with their behavior. Jesus did it and Christians are called to do it as well. I will pray you stay well and realize not all people are hateful be they Christians, Jews, Muslims and others.

yup they will love you all the way to hell Kim with out telling you Gods truths.

Larry – You don’t understand what you are talking about. “Party” has a technical legal meaning. In civil cases the parties are either plaintiffs or defendants. In this case, the activists are the plaintiffs and the city and perhaps others are defendants. The churches are not parties to the lawsuit at all. In most jurisdictions, when a party to a lawsuit wants documents from another party they serve a Request for Production of Documents, NOT a subpoena. But, when a party wants documents from a NON-PARTY they must issue a subpoena to the non-party. That’s what was done here. “Interested party” is not a real thing and “material witness” is a criminal law thing. Neither apply here.

Meaning: making *Larry’s* point.

Then it comes down to this. Is being transgender actually a sin? The bible is totally silent concerning transition from male to female.

But, obviously, you weren’t born homosexual! You had to CHOOSE to have opposite-sex intercourse to procreate those 5 children! Just be glad your parents had heterosexual relations, or YOU WOULDN’T BE HERE!!

Jim your disgusting!

Separation of church and state principles EXACTLY protect churches speaking to political issues of the day. That is literally the entire point of a “great wall of separation”. #Danbury

I am a conservative Christian and I think they ought to just turn the sermons over. It would do them some good to hear some biblical preaching on homosexuality. Why should we hide our light?

All I can say is a real sickness has creeped into our country, you see it everywhere now in the last 5 to 6 years with the sick Liberal minded people, it has gone ten fold. If you don’t think the way they do, feel the way they do and do what they think is right they will attack you and try to distroy your life and or credibility and force their beliefs on you.

I recently was working on a job and I am a contractor, I am a white guy, a black guy that was working with me started a conversation about all the garbage that is going on in our country, which he didn’t like and neither do I. We were having a friendly discussion with no bad language, no threats etc, not loud and some one over heard what we were talking about and actually called the owner of the company i work for and tried to get me fired just because they didn’t agree with what we were talking about and it went against their liberal thinking, it wasn’t even their conversation.

They believe they all know what is best for all of us and they believe we all need to except that and live our life’s the way they chose. They think they have the right to run our lifes and tell us what we can and can’t do.

Wrong it is our life and it is our God given right as a human to make our own desissions, we don’t need your help thank you. All Americans really want is for them to stay out of our life’s and go far far away.

So this is what it has come down too now, lets start to attack peoples religious beliefs in American and tell them what they can and can’t believe believe and teach, isn’t there a separation of church and state? Don’t we all still have freedom of speech in this country?

I would say this is gone to far with this liberal agenda in this country and this Houston Mayor Annise Parker is way out of line and needs to resign and get her head screwed on straight, and stop trying to force your sexual preferences down the throats of the people of Houston and or the people of America with a subpoena.

And if people appose gay marriage or just don’t except gay people in general because it goes against their religious or person beliefs then so be it, get over it Mayor Annise Parker and move on, we all feel different and think different and there is nothing you can do to change that, not even a subpoena, which is lawless.

I will state that I am a libertarian, I believe in God, also one who believes that people should be able to live their life the way they want here in America or anywhere for that matter. And if your gay well go be gay i don’t care about your sexual preferences, I don’t need you doing things to make it appear that being gay is OK by passing laws, there should never be laws passed based on one’s sexual preferences and then forced on others.

Jesus said that a marriage is between a Man and a Woman, God Said Man should not lay with Man and if the church want to teach the WORD OF GOD no one in this country should have a problem with that. And if it hurts your feelings that people are teaching the WORD OF GOD because your gay and you some how feel violated then maybe you should reconsider your possession.

God gave us all one thing in common, the right to make the right decisions in our life’s and you have clearly not done so, and if these local pastors wish to teach and preach the WORD OF GOD then more power to them.

You should be fired from office for even thinking about subpoenaing these pastors, your way out of line. This is part of a new liberal movement to try to break down the religious community and religion in general, it has been at work for a long time.

I strongly oppose gays in the church and if you believe in God and you read the bible you can’t support gays in the church, it goes against God’s will. And we don’t need elected officials using political power to dictate what we can and can’t teach and believe in our churchs, this needs to be stopped dead in it’s track, the sickness is now in your face.

Kim I remember watching a 2 hour special on Discovery Channel back in like 2002 or 2004, can’t remember. it was about the brain and they did a long term like 3 year study on gay people’s brains and straight people’s brains and what they found was amazing.

What they discovered was that the gay people had an enlarged part of the brain in the frontal cortex where your pleasure zone is located and that because of that a chemical imbalance was created from this part of the brain, no lie not being a wise guy.

So from what I see and understand is that people are gay simply because of a chemical imbalance created in their brain. Millions of people suffer from all kinds of different chemical imbalance of all types, it’s pretty common like depression or anxiety.

So I believe that no one is working on a pill to help with this chemical imbalance, which i find strange for the exception that lots of gay people take offense to being called not normal and if a pill was offered they might be offended, not sure but the study looked pretty concrete and it make a lot of sense.

“All Americans really want is for them to stay out of our life’s and go far far away.”
You came after us and and tried to control our lives. You tried to prevent us from having equality. Now that this has failed you want us to leave you alone when for many years we just wanted to be left alone, but you just came on stronger. We did not go after you. You do have the right to call us perverts and abominations, but the door swings both ways. We have the equal right to tell you to shut up.

You should follow your heart and oppose gays all you want, but don’t expect to be protected from others who do not want to listen you anmore. People are tired of hating and they are even more tired of some telling them thay have to hate.

So what this all really amounts to is Houston Mayor Annise Parker has a chemical imbalance in her brain and is now going to start to attack the local pastors for them exercising their freedom of speech and not excepting her alternative life style, who ever thought it would come too this in America right.

there we go, you just tripped over your feet and are doing just what the Mayor is doing, because i am not a gay hater and if you read my posting fully and not just singled out a part of it you would have noticed that i stated:

“I will state that I am a libertarian, I believe in God, also one who believes that people should be able to live their life the way they want here in America or anywhere for that matter. And if your gay well go be gay i don’t care about your sexual preferences,”

And I also stated:

“I strongly oppose gays in the church and if you believe in God and you read the bible you can’t support gays in the church, it goes against God’s will.”

i never stated I hated gay people so don’t assume some is a gay hater just because you didn’t like everything they wrote, I said i opposed them being part of the church because being gay goes against the will of God.

Hummm your reply leans a lot torwards what the Mayor of Houston is doing, not liking what the pastor’s are saying, kind of the same don’t you think. Attack, attack

I stated people should be able to live their life’s the way they want, YES that would be you Kim also. I didn’t say all gay people should be tossed in jail.

And I stated I oppose gays in the church, now i didn’t mean they can’t come to church because maybe that would help them see the light. I ment I oppose gay people being part of the church such as being a pastor. i believe if your of the cloth, teaching the word of God you can’t be gay, it just doesn’t work. I mean God tells us it is a sin to have sex with the same sex and if your doing so how could you expect to be a priest or pastor, it’s blasphemy.

plus i was being nice to you and supportive in other postings didn’t you read them? god says to love all and that same sex is wrong but he didn’t say to attack or hurt those who may be sinners

@mike “What they discovered was that the gay people had an enlarged part of the brain in the frontal cortex where your pleasure zone is located” Gay people likewise tend to be more intelligent than most and they tend to be successful when given the chance. Turing was the man responsible for breaking the German code during WWII. He was gay and was later institutionalized for that “crime.”

No Kim your confused, this was a study done recently by a medical research group out of California not a creepy doctor from Germany in WWII. You didn’t see it trust me base on what you just posted.

First lie: Pretending the pastors religious liberties are at issue here.

Second lie: The pastors are immaterial parties to the lawsuit.

Third lie: The subpoenas require any form of compulsory action by the pastors.

The plaintiffs of the matter can easily challenge these subpoenas and force the city to explain why they would be necessary.
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/responding-subpoenas

You can stop pretending these pastors are being persecuted by the big bad city government. The government is the defendant here. They are well within their rights to seek discovery of important fact witnesses whose actions relate to the plaintiff’s suit.

A group of Christians who were allegedly aided by the pastors in political activities to repeal the current law. They are vital fact witnesses who would not be able to be compelled to provide evidence in a civil suit any other way.

You don’t read too well galt. The church acted in a specifically political manner in the petition process. That makes them fact witnesses for the defendants.

If you think this has to do with morality or religious freedom, you were either lied to or have no clue what is going on.

If you say you do not hate me then i’ll take you at your word. Using the word hate in the context of your reply was therefore too strong and I apologize. However, you did at least suggest something is wrong with me. As i noted else where so did I. That is the reason i left the church i could not stop ‘sinning’ so to speak because i felt myself female. I did not engage in sexual activity nor did i join gay/trans culture. I still associated with Christians. To rephrase more appropriately, most people are tired of feeling obligated to opposing. LGBT rights. They are also tied of feeling the need to treat LGBT’s as any different than they are. I practice away from the church most don’t at least in my experience. Some, usually at the market when Sunday service get’s out, decide to fulfill their Christian duty and take a stand for Jesus by being rude.

The Conservative Christians were never looking for the land of the free. They are looking for the land of just them. Everyone else is just a major inconvenience. 🙂

Jane, you are getting in a tizzy over the layman use of the term party. But you are correct that the subpoena is the only way to get discovery from a non-party witness who would be considered material to either the plaintiffs or defendants. Therefore it is entirely proper to issue the subpoena to them as a form of discovery.

Most of the comments here are completely off the mark as to what is going on. The fault lays entirely with conservative spin doctoring and conservative christian martyrbaiting.

The whole purpose of going after the sermons of these pastors is clearly to intimidate.
Our Founding Fathers in drawing up and supporting the First Amendment clearly realized that government is far more likely to be tyrannical and threatening than any church.

One more bit of evidence of how we’re becoming two nations within a nation…..

Not good……not good at all, at least not for those of us who believe the United States is worth preserving.

Not going to happen, Cassandra. Jews are liberal, Muslims vote more on economics and foreign policy than on social issues, and “orthodox” Christians don’t bother to show up on election day in big enough numbers.

According to God, all of us have sinned and we all come short of the His Glory.That is where His Grace comes in. Without His Grace, we would all go to hell. Thanks be to the shed blood of Christ, we have Hope. Yet, we will not all be saved. According to God, few will enter in through the Gate–narrow is the gate and few there be that finds it.. Even the demons believe, but tremor. Belief is not enough. We must obey God. Throughout the Old and New Testaments we learn that God requires obedience. We can not pick and choose which scriptures we want to believe. We should all be ashamed of each and every sin we have committed. I have cancer and may not have long to live. If I continue in my sins and refuse to repent of my sins and if I do not turn away from my sin, God’s Grace will not cover my sins. God knows the heart of men. If my heart is not in the right place, no amount of works or grace will be sufficient. If I do not obey God in all things, then I have not fully surrendered my heart to Him. As it is said in scripture, it is better to be hot or cold than to be lukewarm in our faith. Yes, God is love, but scripture tell us He is God who takes vengence on those who do not obey Him. God tells us that if we our guilty one sin, we are guilty of all sins. No sin is so little that it does not matter to God. However, God teaches us that certain sins are against nature and that he abhors such sins. We know from scripture that the wage of any sin is death. We need to take our sins as seriously as God does and not try to justify any. God teaches that marriage is between a man and a woman. So it puzzles me how any homosexuals could claim to love God and yet not obey Him. After all, He says, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” It really does not matter what any of us thinks, only Truth matters, and God teaches us that He is truth.

The actual truth is a LOT more unpopular today than that. ANY sexual act done not with the intention of procreation was once called in Russia ‘the destruction of a soul’! Even John Calvin said on the subject (about Onan specifically), ‘For this is to extinguish the hope of the race and to kill before he is born the hoped-for offspring. The impiety is especially condemned, now by the Spirit through Moses’ mouth, that Onan, as it were, by a violent abortion, no less cruelly than filthily cast upon the ground the offspring of his brother, torn from the maternal womb. Besides, in this way he tried, as far as he was able, to wipe out a part of the human race.’ Martin Luther called such wasting of seed ‘a sin far greater than adultery or incest’.

The Church Fathers preached it like this:

‘God gave us eyes not to see and desire pleasure, but to see acts to be performed for the needs of life; so too, the genital [’generating’ …from ‘genete’, Greek for ‘birth’] part of the body, as the name itself teaches, has been received by us for no other purpose than the generation of offspring.’ —Lactantius Firmianus

‘To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature.’ —St. Clement of Alexandria

‘But I wonder why he set Judah and Tamar before us for an example, unless perchance even harlots give him pleasure; or Onan, who was slain because he grudged his brother seed. Does he imagine that we approve of any sexual intercourse except for the procreation of children?’ —St. Jerome, Against Jovinian

‘For thus the eternal law, that is, the will of God creator of all creatures, taking counsel for the conservation of natural order, not to serve lust, but to see to the preservation of the race, permits the delight of mortal flesh to be released from the control of reason in copulation only to propagate progeny.’ —St. Augustine, Against Faustus

‘For necessary sexual intercourse for begetting is alone worthy of marriage. But that which goes beyond this necessity no longer follows reason but lust…[T]hey [must] not turn away from them the mercy of God by changing the natural [i.e. regarding natura, or birth] use into that which is against nature, which is more damnable when it is done in the case of husband or wife.’ —St. Augustine, The Good of Marriage

Well this is easy to take care of : LOSE the 501 C3 ( Tax exempt) chains of government abuse, manipulation and falsehood and speak the truth!

Anti-bullying only counts when the bully is straight and the victim is gay. It doesn’t matter if the straight KNEW the vic was gay, so long as the gay can convince the POWERS THAT BE of the alleged motivation.
When I was a child, I learned something important about not being a vicitm of a bully: is you whine and cry and run for help, you are making it fun and you will be bullied again. If you don’t want more of the same, don’t reward the bully. You don’t have to fight back, just stand your ground. If anyone seriously wanted to stop the bullying of gay kids, they would tell the gay kids to stand up, just passively resist, save the tears for later, and thus take the reward away. It is evident the plan is to provoke more trouble by teling the gay kids to whine, cry, holler for help, run to adults, and generally mke it rewarding to the kind of kids who enjoy making other kids cry.
There is another good strategy for dealing with bullies. Pray for them! I figure there is something broken in a person who is so disgusted with themself they have to try to drag others down to their level, someone is so much pain they feel compelled to inflict pain. We can all do this about bullies in and out of schools, domestic abusers, rapists, murderers, etc. Why not pray for this benighted Mayor who is acting the bully now?

Sarah Puliam Bailey, do you have any idea why these 5 churches were singled out?

Every child of God need to preach the Words of God, Homosexual is abomination before God, I use to be a homosexual myself and I knew it was wrong in God eye sight, so I cried out unto The Lord to help me with this stronghold that is over my life and when I tell you That God step in and change my life, Jesus did that thing for me, yes He did.

While I don’t agree with the issuing of the subpoenas, the Bible clearly commands Christians to submit to their governoring authorities. I am really surprised John Piper doesn’t get this.

It seems a couple things are in play. The refusal by the Mayor’s office to approve signatures to bring the “bathroom bill” to a city wide, possibly a state wide vote for approval, which may still be illegal- verses the potential for the Mayors office to call in the IRS per the possible abuses from non-profits leaders under the 501 3c exemption related to lobby/campaigning against any type of legislation. They are allowed to teach, inform the public, but not be partisan per the IRS rules…

Thank you Larry. It took a long time to actually uncover the true reason behind these subpoenas. The lawyers defending the City of Houston, right or wrong, sought the subpoenas as part of a discovery of evidence process in a pending law suit against the city.

The LGBTQ and whatever letters they include . . . are purely intolerant of any dissent or dissenters. They are the true bullies here. The Rainbow Idol community could simply start and run their own denominations and have at it to their haerts delight. But, they choose to harass and bully Christians that dare not show worship of the Neo-Roman order.

The Gaystapo will enforce the “National Socialism” (eh-hem) of its Democratic leadership. When is ChristianNact going to happen? We know it’s coming.

Truth is seen as a hate crime when dealing with the rabid demands of the gay pride movement. And as can be seen by the threatening behavior of Houston’s Sapphic ruler, Christians will suffer at the hands and lawyers of the gay pride movement.

@Kim,

Whatever YOUR condition is, Christians have the right to reject LGBT domination and infiltration of power over them and to seek Christ and holiness as did the authentic Christians that followed and follow the faith delivered only once to the Saints.

davevierra2@gmail.com

Jesus RE-DEFINED and RE-ASSERTED that “MARRIAGE” (for THIS reason) is man and woman husband and wife. FROM God at the beginning! It is dishonest to sat that Jesus affirms or affirmed homosexuality in any guise out of silence of it. Didn’t California just pass a law about YES MEANS YES? That man made law is about silence NOT being affirmation.

A very large sign of the times.

Read it please.