Cardinal says church under Pope Francis is a ‘rudderless ship’

no kidding .. He is just speaking about it publically now.

why did he not way before he was being demoted….

Lord Cardinal Burke’s Americanism is showing….was the election of the pontiff purely the result of a “town meeting” or due to the movement of the Holy Spirit?
Is this the result of cardinals not listening to the Holy Spirit…..or the Spirit not doing what the cardinals want? Who feels rudderless? Everyone I’ve spoken to feels more validated as a child of God, and more willing to listen to the Pope with an open and accepting mind. And some are not even Roman Catholic. Was there not the same uneasiness and reaction at the start of Vatican II? Christ Jesus never required anyone to present a membership card in good standing before He’d talk to, or listen to them. Why does Cardinal Burke?

Would someone please save this man from himself?

Todd, he has saved himself. No need for God or the Holy Spirit; they are annoyances in the way of +Burke’s truth or “truthiness” as some comedian once said!

Karla, the whole Christ-sacrifice story that you keep harping about here, the foundation of your crazy blood cult, is complete nonsense out of the gate. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

Really, get past your ancient superstitions that cause so much hate and bigotry. Put the religious fables such as your Jesus sacrifice nonsense behind you, and help move humanity forward for a change instead of dragging it back into darker ages with your disgusting Christian mumbo jumbo.

“Roman Catholic Church” is a term invented by bitter Anglicans to suggest that the Church is just another sect/”denomination”. The proper term is ‘Catholic Church’.
Typically we allow people to name themselves, having learned of the bigoted, backwardness of allowing antagonistic groups to name their perceived enemies.

You need to read the news more often. Burke did previously make comments about the Pope and has stood up for Church teaching. Why do you think he’s being demoted?

To write that the Cardinals comments are an “attack” on Francis is a very serious mischaracterization of them. He would never see it that way. He always speaks with charity and the good of all in mind. He would only want to positively influence Francis. I know the man. That is how he thinks, how he acts. He is not an “attacker”. He is a gentle, kind, soft-spoken person who wishes the best for everyone.

God’s mercy and forgiveness is for everyone who is repentant of their sins. Only those will be welcome at the table who have repented and paid for their sins. As Catholic dogma states: If anyone dies unrepentant in a state of mortal sin, the soul of that person immediately goes to hell.

Amen Mr. Jalsevac. As far as I can tell this is just a hit piece by RNS after Burke humiliated them by correcting their dishonest paraphrasing of him at the Synod. Ms. McKenna taking a handful of controversial quotes from the Cardinal devoid of any context is, well…pathetic and beneath any credible journalist let alone one who is Catholic.

jacob-Amen! Bible says Repent or perish! Luke 13 says we must bear good fruit and that fruit is fruit of Repentance not good works because good works don’t save and many,many non-believers do good works, We all need to/must Repent!
Bible says Repent and believe the Gospel to be saved! We all must Repent!

One must wait until the synod was complete or almost complete before one can discuss it. You must be a public school graduate.

This homosexual issue is a bunch of phony nonsense. Everyone is welcome in a Catholic Church. Every Catholic parish has registered members who are gay, and also other things like divorced, living together, criminals, and such. A Catholic parish is the most diverse in the world, unlike Evangelicals, Episcopals or Baptists, in which you will find exactly every person of the same socio-economic status, race, education, and political affiliation.

The Catholic faith acknowledges homosexual behavior as depraved and damaging to the individuals involved, including children. We all know this. Just like a woman having babies with different fathers and unmarried is damaging to her and the children. Sin causes harm. That is all we are saying.

But as for welcome, for Pete’s sake, be honest. If you are Catholic you know this is true. If you are not, then you have no right to an opinion. Think back (depending on your age) 10,30, 50 years. Have we not always had gays in Church? Have we not always had gays in the Priesthood? Have we not always had gays in the Seminary? Have we not always had gays in the Curia? AND AT A A PERCENTAGE VASTLY MORE HUGE than the general population. Everyone is welcome in Church. However, not everyone is welcome to go to the Altar (it’s NOT a “table”) of Communion. This is a religion, not the rotary club, we can make our own rules, and this one was made by Jesus Christ. No one has ever hurt or denied a gay person, in fact they are catered to now as a special class. The gays and the media are creating an issue where there is not issue.

But he has made his clearest criticism of Pope Francis style in his papacy yet with the comments reported in this interview. And deseverdly so. To sideline a man of Cardinal Burke’s talents, gifts and the contributions he can make to the Church is a terrible waste. What is Francis’s fear of Cardinal Burke? Is he concerned that as Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura he would be an obstacle to streamlined easy annulments? Is he concerned that as the Bishop of a major diocese he would also be an annulment obstacle, and an obstacle to homosexual unrepentant participation in a parish? Is he concerned as a Bishop of a Diocese Burke would again publicly prevent a major political candidate from receiving communion for his support of abortion, as he did before as a Diocesan Bishop? An action the Francis supporting Cardinal Dodlan now says is a thing of the past? The sidelining of Cardinal Burke by Pope Francis is one of the clearest indicators of Pope Francis’s real agenda. But it has now freed the good Cardinal to be more of a spokesman for the problems under Francis’s poor leadership than ever.

Baloney, Mary. Present any modern evidence for your crazy sky fairy story. Good luck with that; there isn’t any.

Again, the whole Christ-sacrifice story that people keep harping about here, the foundation of your crazy blood cult, is complete nonsense out of the gate. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Before you respond again, spend a bit more time pondering the meaning of “omnipotent’.

Bro.Guadalupe Mary, just to clarify a big misunderstanding that seems to exist in the Church. The Holy Spirit does not elect popes, Cardinals do. PF was not elected nor chosen by the Holy Spirit. And the people you have talked to that feel validated as children of God…have they repented of serious sin and returned to the sacraments striving to live a life of holiness? The current pope seems to enjoy sowing confusion and clarifies nothing. This does not comport well with Christ’s mandate to “teach all nations,” and “to baptize them.” Cardinal Burke’s concerns are valid and urgent.

That’s a rather vague statement with nothing to back it up. You need to clarify what you are trying to say.

Mike: How has Cardinal Burke been “sidelined,” as you say? He was a voting member of the recent synod. He was appointed one of the summarizers. He continues to write and speak freely to journalists. The only role from which he is being removed is one that would give him the power to impose his interpretations of Catholic doctrine and practice on others.

You write as if he has been abused by his removal from that last role. Is he for some reason entitled to that power? Are there no other Cardinals who can handle it properly? Is periodic rotation of positions of power a bad thing?

My surmise is that it’s more a matter of your affinity for the way he has made some controversial decisions and a fear that others holding that authority will not decide things your preferred way.

Cardinal Burke is also doing a lot of whining about his change of assignments. He would do well to read Thomas a Kempis on who should, and who should not, hold authority over others. You might read it also.

One does wonder where all Bob’s anger comes from. If you read his posts in this thread one-after-another, you see an increase of repetition and fury. And I’m someone who agrees with a number of things he’s said when I read them with a calm ear.

Angry proselytizers of any position are off-putting, as you note in this instance. For me, it’s Saint John Chrysostom that raises my gorge. What an anti-Semite.

even the devil can cite scripture for his purposes

He’s beginning to sound more like a gossipy old woman with “connections” via being a darling of the self anointed American Catholic media. To continue to attack the place of the Pope, order him as to what he must say, divide opinion about him and hide behind the politically inspired “I’m not attacking the person of the Pope” is unconscionable. What a destructive force from within. Any predicted apostasy looks more and more likely it’ll be from the extreme right. Feel much safer with a C. Pell type to steer this ship rather than a hysterical member of the crew attempting a mutiny.

I came across this very interesting, and informative interview by Fr. Malachi Martin.

I believe this was his last interview at least with Art Bell.

If anyone is interested in hearing what he has to say about the state of the Church and what is happening to it please take the time to listen to it and shared it with others.

I for my part think that he’s right on in his assessment of the crisis in the Church today.

I came across this very interesting, and informative interview by Fr. Malachi Martin.

I believe this was his last interview at least with Art Bell.

If anyone is interested in hearing what he has to say about the state of the Church and what is happening to it please take the time to listen to it and shared it with others.

I for my part think that he’s right on in his assessment of the crisis in the Church today.

PLEASE GO TO YOUTUBE:
Art Bell & Malachi Martin Last Interview 1998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn–7GTffn8

ps. I wish there was an edit button in all websites.

The man sounds very unchristian to me. A bitter old man that is a bigot and hater. Jesus said love thy neighbor. He should heed his teaching.

Jack: He is defending the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic.
I suggest it is you that is very transparent …

Bro: You need to get out and about a bit more often. Cardinal Burke is a true descendant of the Apostles.
If the Pope said black was white would you still listen to him with an open and accepting mind?
We sometimes get the Pope we deserve. There is ample evidence of disreputable Popes in the past. Were they chosen by the Holy Spirit?

Having said that, I am not saying the current Holy Father is disreputable.

I also suggest you start talking to those poor punters in the pews to get a real feel of what the state of the Church is…… Confusion in the Church is rampant in this part of the world ( Western Australia) and most every other place on the Globe. Yes, confused and rudderless…
Please Pray for the Holy Father and the Church

Father Christopher: I cant believe what I am hearing… A priest with the balls to say it like it is…at Last. God Bless You Father.

(excuse the crudeness. Some times it take the language of the streets to reach the people on the Streets)

JT: Yep, your are dead right.

Its official…. Bob8 is a computer driven robot

And at the consistory of 21 February 2001, Archbishop Bergoglio was created a cardinal by (Saint) Pope John Paul II!!

Bob8, our Father in heaven must always work with human will. He created the laws that bind even His ability to violate our choices, and so it has unfolded, the story of Christ, through the ages via the human will for better or for worse.

Spot on JTLiuzza, spot on!

THANK JESUS that THE USA HAS 6 ROMAN CATHOLIC JUDGES ON THE SUPREME COURT

AND a NICE GUY playing his role as A “conservative” Cardinal in America.

MAYBE JESUS should have his mom-MAKE THE SUN SPIN IN AMERICA!!!

WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BE IMPRESSED that SAINT FRANCIS eschews the POOP MOBILE when amongst his fans???

HOW ABOUT EXCOMMUNICATING ‘choice’ POLITICIANS

-THE WAY St. JPll did with TED KENNEDY???

God’s plan is better than our plan including Pope Francis’s plan, no surprise.
I am praying and keeping my fingers crossed that we may be wrong about PF and that he will clean up the mess he is making and lead us onto the right path sooner rather than later.

The Catholic Church a rudderless ship? It sounds too good to be true, but one can always hope!

PS… can one pray for a robot???

Cardinal Burke creates scandal by fostering disunity. He is a false prophet.

Is there something specific about Cardinal Burke’s remarks that you are addressing or can we just attribute your response to mere “whining”. Perhaps in the future you will inform us of your own bias. Better yet, maybe they won’t print what you say at all…

Strange then how the man was buried from the Church. Love all the sharing of misinformation whenever there’s any thread anywhere re: Cath. Church or Pope. The bigots who lie in waiting in the woodwork expose their great intellectually challenged remarks over and over again.

Oh please, sir, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Francis is systematically removing orthodox Bishops and not to mention literally placed an orthodox Order under ecclesiastical house-arrest because they worship as our ancestors did 1,800 years ago–in the traditional Latin Mass. Pope Humble the First allowed entertaining the most hideous questions concerning the Faith–including Cardinal Kasper’s heterodox attacks on Our Lord Jesus Christ’s words in Matthew 5:32 and whether or not homosexual “relationships” have something to offer the Church… when the latter is a grave sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance! He then allowed the Bishops to put the Truth to a vote (as if they were protestants, southern baptists or something!), as Truth is clearly not established on a majority vote.
He is attempting to transform the pillar and bulwark of Truth (1 Tim 3:15) into a schismatic sect of his own making–like the sixteenth century protestant revolutionaries.

He is showing himself to be an ideologue and a destroyer, not a liberator and a reformer as the secular media portray him to be.

Rick, what I meant when I said Cardinal Burke has been sidelined is that he has been appointed to a powerless ceremonial role as some sort of chaplain to some sort of charitable organization The Military Knights of Malta. A man of Cardinal Burke’s stature really does deserve a post of major service and influence in the Catholic Church, a curial post in the Vatican or bishop of a diocese. Of course as you say no one deserves anything in the church, but he has obviously been sidelined by Pope Francis who is removing him as not supportive of the new agenda. It is an insult. But history is full of exiles who came back to prominence. Cardinal Burke may well have a role to play yet.

It was rough going in the church when science proved it was not a geocentric universe. It is rough going now because the truth is coming out that homosexual behavior is not “gravely disordered,” there is no problem whatsoever about homosexuality, except problems created by ignorance and discrimination. BYT, you gotta laugh whenever homosexuality is denounced by a man in a dress. God Bless Pope Francis! He is getting all this flak because his actions are closer to what Jesus would do than his predecessors. Jesus had to deal with Pharisees, the pope has to deal with arch conservative reactionaries who are slaves to the idolatry of pomp, Latin, the Council of Trent, and other encrustacions that have attached to the church over the centuries. Jesus is not about Catholicism! I am a Catholic, but Catholicism is only the vehicle. God the Father is the destination, as taught to us by Jesus.

Wack job! Of course, I don’t want to be seen speaking against him…..

His Eminence Cardinal Burke needs to step up and save the Throne of Peter from this Argentinian imposter. It is time to overthrow this man and send him into retirement. The Cardinal will have the support for the overthrow. It is time now, your Eminence. Move.

No, Geoff. Your statement is false and now you should know that.

I agree with Irene. Where was cardinal Burke, as a strong man of the Church, when there were so any incidents of abuses of children, corruption within the Church and it’s connection with mafia? As an insider he was a big part of cover up.

Irene, Cardinal Burke spoke out in defence of marriage and family and true doctrine of the Church and also in Sacred Scripture is clear in Word of truth by our Creator God, also revelations warned of false doctrine that this Current pope has agenda with fallen angles is gravely wrong. .
No word of God can be changed in Sacred Scripture. Sovereign
Jesus Christ is Head of Church and in control and doesn’t need protected by contradictory opinion of controversial leader of RCH
God is not full of surprises, His word is same from beginning and end

good point….

All of this will be rendered moot within 2 years by what will occur in Garabandal, Spain. Research it, like Fatima but definitive for all …. The two dates look to be October 18, 2016, and April 13, 2017. All changes …..

Joe:

When did a sin that “cries to Heaven for vengeance” suddenly become OK? Inquiring minds need to know.

Father,

As I am sure you know, the Holy Ghost will give the Cardinals direction, if and when they ask for it, just as we mortals will when we ask for guidance in our own spheres. The Holy Ghost doesn’t klonk them on the head and demand that they vote His way. Father Christopher has said plainly and simply what is the simple truth of the matter and, as such, deserves our respect and thanks for doing so.

Dear Augustine Thomas
Is not the Roman Catholic Church in communion with other non-Roman Eastern Catholic churches? This gets very complicated. I went to Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_(term)
to check out details, still do not really understand.

Thank you Cardinal Burke for defence of marriage and family.
However there are many concern of controversial pope that can’t be ignored.
It has being reported that there are some in Vatican of secret freemasons lodges e.g. ninth circle rites which are satanic fallen angles.
The warning in Revelations of these matters unless they repent.
God’s Word has being contradicted by those fallen satanic angles.
The Father sent His begotten son to save us to for fill prophecy because He first loved us to redeem man and has risen from dead to give eternal life.
Sovereign Christ is head of Church and no man has power or authority.

Oh dear, “a bigot and a hater”. Would it suit you if we burned him at the stake? In your presence?

Bergoglio is quite obviously a heretic and antipope. Burke appears brave but he is still antipope boot kissing. Bergoglio must be driven from Repealing with the rest of the heretical bishops. Hey gay lovers and adulterers….start your own church please and take bergoglio with you.

I have been following with great interest the recent discussions centered on the Catholic church. A lot of cognitive inputs although not that much of emotional intelligence. Three points seem to be getting the most headlines: homosexuality, divorced people, and pope Francis’ acting out. Too much to say. Sound material to reflect on. I will be posting in separate comments my views.

I doubt it, Jack. I’m not a Burke fan, as you can see from my other posts on this thread. But he hasn’t been one of the Roman Cardinals, long-time Vatican apparatchiks, that were involved in the money scandals. He’s been America-based in his career until quite recently.

I know the adage “If you want to know who and why, follow the money trail.” In Burke’s case I think it’s a misapplication.

Burke is grumbling because he doesn’t like losing his recently acquired position of power. His conservative supporters are grumbling because they were looking forward to Burke’s imposition of his iron fist, take-no-prisoners approach to a church-wide consituency. Under Francis that will not happen.

Burke is an outspoken person he us not scared

No kidding! He did speak about it publically all his life! Especially in his, till now, recent office as head of the Signatura Apostolica.

Jesus said, clearly, that the gates, or power, of Hell will not prevail against His Church. Ever. Therefore, either we pray fervently for our Pope, who has warned us the Devil and his attacks upon us, our church and the world more times than one can count….or Jesus was a liar. It’s that simple. I’d submit that we’d be wise to stand behind our parent and pray unceasingly. .

The grave disorders of the sin of Sodomy is seen in the ER of every
hospital that operates in even small cities with a large population of homosexuals. Natural Acts do not destroy whole body systems
as a result of practicing them. ” Gay bowel Disease ” is one of the
illnesses where multiple infections and repeated surgical interventions
are common and painful.

No, Jesus Christ affirmed God’s law on homosexuality adultery & all sin, & that we must protect the innocent from corruption, that He was the New Covenant to fulfill the law. Christ stated marriage is a man and a woman, and that we should reject worldly culture. His apostles preached His word, in fact St Paul and others preached Christ’s teachings that homosexuality was a mortal sin and a rejection of God. Neither you nor Francis has the right or authority to eradicate God’s law which are the tenets of the faith. If you look at what Francis did to the once strong Catholic church in Argentina, destroying it’s seminaries and convents, inviting Marxists into churches, where they’d put their hands on the throats of faithful Catholics praying the rosary, making mockery of Christ’s crucifixion. Blessing same sex ‘marriages’, his handing over faithful priests & nuns to the Marxist Dirty War junta and the list goes on

Cardinal Ray is the latest in a long line of bureaucratic functionaries who generally serve about six years. He is ambitious, self-pitying and grandiose…note the cappae magnae of the last few years. Cardinal Ray is not a leader, but a simpering, wimpering carper. Me’thinks he’s well suited for his ceremonial job. He got where he is through the work of papal patrons. Now he’s got another, but he’ll still be sleeping on satin sheets.

You can say and believe what you like, I don’t fear you or your namecalling. Jesus Christ’s existence has been documented by Roman historians and politicians, a Roman playwrite, a Greek philosopher, and a Syrian of that era who was imprisoned and wrote of Christ to his son, and others. Like the pharisees, and I include those attempting to slander the good Cardinal Burke as pharisees, you can sling mud and scorn, all the mud in the world and can not taint the love of Christ in Burke’s intent. He is serving our Lord and his oath to fulfill the true obligations of Catholic holy orders, to bring people to Jesus Christ for salvation. I’ll pray that you repent and turn away from your sin and break the shackles that bind you, and make you so bitter and mean

Incorrect assessment, he’s not “boot licking” and that is very disrespectful of one of the few apparently faithful Cardinals in the world. There is a decorum, dignity, and respect for superiors in the Church even when they’re the of the ilk of bergoglio and the like. Until bergogio says something to create a fulll rupture or schism in the Church there is not much more Cd. Burke CAN say. Remember per Canon law the Pope, to be in heresy, must say specifically “the Church or my predecessors taught this truth but I tell you it’s NOT true (be it approval of homosexual activity, communion for divorced, etc) He has to actually say that, if he uses creative language it’s grey and not easy to pin down.

Notice what Cardinal Burke DID say about the Synod, he said “why doesn’t the pope TELL US what his position is” and guess what,Bergoglio is a slick weasel who got to where he is precisely by being a weasel and creating documents without his name on them.
So, like Vatican 2, nobody really knows who wrote it but..surprise, like Vatican 2, it’s now the de facto law of the church. So, Cardinal Burke waits and watches and I suspect he’ll raise his voice in the future at some point to say exactly WHEN bergoglio has crossed the line. At that point the formal rupture begins.

Pope Francis is the Catholic version of Serpico, and those who are corrupt dont like him. Pope Francis wants the church to act like the bible teaches us, and those who have been in power with huge personal financial gain living in a life of luxury, just dont like it. And like so many today, they prefer the word of Christ that they create, not the ones that exist.

Go Pope Francis.. Bring the Church back to Christ

If you are Catholic and claim you dont have to follow the Pope when you disagree with him, then why have one? Why not do anything you wish? I can understand it if you are of another religion, but not if you are Catholic.

Catechism of the Catholic Church defines the Pope as:

The successor of St. Peter as Bishop of Rome and Supreme Pontiff of the universal Catholic Church. The pope exercises a primacy of authority as Vicar of Christ and shepherd of the whole Church; he receives the divine assistance promised by Christ to the Church when he defines infallibly a doctrine of faith or morals (880-882).

The Pope is the eternal extension of Peter..

According to Lumen Gentium Peter was the first in a line of leaders or Bishops. We call the head Bishop the Pope.The Roman Pontiff—The successor of St. Peter as the bishop of Rome and head of the Church on earth–has full and supreme authority over the universal Church in matters pertaining to faith and morals (teaching authority), discipline and government (jurisdictional authority). (Taken from Lumen Gentium)

You’re right, Aged Parent. All we’ve been hearing from Cardinal Burke has been a humble acceptance of his demotion. In fact, we’ve been hearing humble acceptances from him several times a week via reporter interviews.

Here’s a curious fact: Cardinal Burke has yet to receive notification of a demotion, his removal from the Vatican supreme court. Every tale of its impending arrival and his future assignment to the Knights of Malta has one source and one source only: Cardinal Burke.

I’d say that’s quite some humility. He’s so humble he raced to the press to express his acceptance of this demotion in good spirit before it had even arrived. Since then, he has confined his comments to remarks about a rudderless church, a Pope bereft of leadership talent, and a confused laity. (Along with confirmations that his demotion, which he will humbly accept, is still in the wind.)

It’s too bad that nobody ever told Cardinal Burke about the expression “No comment.” It would be useful in dealing with journalists interviewing for another story on the demotion controversy. A controversy which, as I say, he started two months ago. He’s probably too humble to dissemble like that. Thanks for pointing it out.

Keep in mind that the hierarchy alone is not the church. In fact, the most Christ-like actions and attitudes are from the everyday followers of Jesus. No matter who is pope, and no matter who the opposition is to the pope, a sizeable number of Catholics follow their informed consciences, as we are taught to do. So, many, many divorced and remarried Catholics already receive communion, as they should. They do this with the knowledge of their pastors. Homosexuality is not a choice. Forced celibacy is not workable. Sexually active homosexuals should be welcome to the communion table. The Eucharist is food for the journey. It is not a reward for good behavior. Pope St. Pius X said that. Some of the commenters here I think find Jesus too soft for their liking. So Cardinal Burke can say what he wants, but the day to day practice of Catholicism for most will continue without reference to him. He is preaching to a relatively small choir, after all.

Speaking of mean, let’s look more closely at a nasty creature in that work of fiction commonly known as the bible. Mary’s sky fairy is a vengeful, murderous swine according to that book. Take a look at these direct quotes, and note the comments about context and interpretation too.

So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

Mary, don’t you dare try playing the victim card after the murders by Christians over so many centuries. And now, when North America is so littered with your rubbish holy book, well, take a look at the awful guidance in it. Direct quotes, from both foul testaments:

Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

@Bob, I’ve been following this whole thread and you are as guilty of ad hominem attacks as anyone; I note specifically, you calling Mary ‘stupid.’ Additionally, you and other atheists’ continually deny the very evident historical fact that Marxism/Leninism (as a philosophy guilty of more atrocities than any other in history) teaches as a cardinal tenet the non-existence of God; which by the way is the very definition of atheism. Only self deception or cognitive dissonance can account for your inability to see this. As Mark Twain would say, ‘Even a jury would have the penetration to see that.”

He certainly wouldn’t have picked a closeted gay like Benedict!

This is exactly what the devil wants i.e. divisions and cracks in the our church. I have lost my way for a very long time now and Pope Francis has given me hope and restored my faith in the Catholic Church. I have returned because of him… he reminds me exactly of what Jesus was like when he roamed the earth 2000 + years ago. Humility, love… and FORGIVENESS. At the end of the day, who are we to judge sinners except God. Pope Francis teaches us to love… to turn our cheeks… to forgive those who do not even apologize for their misgivings… to be humble.

May Cardinal Raymond Burke find the light as I have.

I find it strange that when one like Cardinal Burke takes a stand, and disagrees with the way a pope is handling a situation, or says our pope can’t change the teaching of Christ, that there are always those who question that person’s conversion to Christ. Popes disagree! To imply Cardinal Burke is somehow being disloyal to the Holy Spirit is merely a way to shut down any expression of legitimate concern he or others have about leaders’ viewpoints or actions. Cardinal Burke is being faithful to the truth as he–and many other Catholics–understand truth. If everything every pope said was from the Holy Spirit, how would we explain the contradictions between them? Does the Holy Spirit contradict Himself? Is He whimsical? This is just nonsense. How one handles Christmas dinner with a gay child and that gay child’s partner may be a matter of conscience that different Christians see differently; after all, we’re talking dinner and not sex, here. But a sinful act–sexual or not– is sin, and we all know what the word of God says about it. All sin is evil. Cardinal Burke has been quite right to point out that there is nothing intrinsically edifying, beneficial, or good about it, and those attempting to propagate such an idea that sin has some kind of value are the ones who had better wake up! I find Cardinal Burke’s restraint remarkable, to tell the truth, and I’m sorry that many more have not had the courage to stand for Christ as he has. On a final point, if I understand correctly, those who did propagate such ideas were not required to identify themselves–they did not have to say, in essence, “This idea is coming from me,” so anyone in any small group could submit any idea without taking personal responsibility for it. That is always dangerous and often destructive. We should (and I believe we do) know better, and should never structure something so important as an extraordinary synod on the family in such a way.

I believe in Holy Scared Scripture and Book of life in Revelations word of God
is clear especially noted in 10 Commandments
We know that God sent His begotten son Jesus into His Universe to save us and He fulfilled the prophecy by dying on the Cross to redeem man and arisen from dead to give us eternal life before He went to His father in Heaven. He promised the Holy Spirit the helper to descend upon the apostle’s.
Every prophecy was fulfilled there was no need for new Covenant, Christ said on the tree or Cross before he died it is done.
We are saved by grace by believing and trusting in Jesus Christ
The Sovereign Jesus Christ king of kings is head of Church all power and glory is to Him. November is last gospel of end of year is Christ the King.
Those who worshipped two masters is warned about in Revelations It says we would know them by their fruits? The truth will set us free
people can be deceived but their trust in Jesus Christ will be the victory.
Mary mother of Jesus is blessed amongst women, but she is not Christ and the rosary is good to meditate on life of Jesus, pray to Michal Archangel urgent

I agree with you Fr. Christopher…To all who are mesmerized by the words of PF, kindly research the prophetic words of St. Francis of Assisi that in the last days “Christ will send not a true pastor but a destroyer” …and as forewarned by Mother Mary in Her message at Fatima a time will come and is Now that bishops will oppose bishops,cardinals will oppose cardinals and satan will reach the summit of the church (Papacy) this message was confirmed at the apparition of BVM at Akita Japan, watch and pray! even the very elects will be deceived according to the synoptic gospel.

‘if the law has no connection with mercy of God, it turns into hypocracy” What a fooling selfish pope. To think that this has been for the past 2000 years the purpose of the laws of the Church. That he now must change what 2000 years has wrought. This pope doesn’t comprehend the damange that he is doing by shovelling Utopian Slogans about, without careful considerations as to what he is disposing of. Mercy has always been the prime Objective of the Church, if there was no mercy Christ would not have given his life, and God the father would not have allowed his Son to die so cruely.

Turning the wisdom of the church out to satisfiy what a few human being FEEL is a injustice is in full a rejection of God’s mercy for the benefit of a few souls feeling good for a brief moment.

How about getting past you ancient pagan superstitions about lies deceit, falsehood, and nonsense. What you call so-called Modern is nothing but a Utopian lie set up to deceive many centered around the word “NEW.” When in fact everything you refer to is a Blast from the Past of Philosophies that had done noting more than make slaves out of millions; destroyed souls in all corners of the world, and has made Chaos out of what was once on it’s way of becoming a civilized world. You words have no connection with reality, only fleeting materialist tripe that never satisfies, and meaning that now is demonstrated in the growing number of hopeless, who only find suicide their prime solution. .

Father
With all due respect, yes Cardinals choose the Pope guided by the spirit. They don’t just vote like an election, they start with prayer, enter into prayer before voting, this is not just something done. Christ sent his Spirit to guide the Church hence the Magisterium. Magisterum says it all! The Holy Spirit guides the Cardinals electing the Pope.
The Church doesn’t condemn anyone and the moment someone thinks they know better than the Church or better than the Vicar of Christ, we have a problem! It’s called Heresy, and to see a Priest side with this kind of talk is scary.
Do you think God is not powerful enough to have sent his spirit to guide the conclave? Then we’d question God! But God is powerful enough and he sent his Spirit upon this, we have to trust in him. Once we do what the Cardinal is doing we step into scary grounds. We need to trust Christ and to see a Cardinal make these statements and now a Priest on this thread condone him and to deny the Holy Spirit working in the Conclave is scary.
As a Seminarian to see this makes me iffy. All we can do is pray and trust God.

Taliesin, Mercy was word used by the pope to push his agenda on homosexuals and their act. I understood he praised them and favoured Cardinal Gasper views on these matters including cohabitating straight couples. Mercy is usually about one sentenced to death in that context.
There had being no repentance or sin wording in the Synod document.
However a person ignoring these facts can condemn themselves.
Commandments of God is very clear and in scripture and revelations, including catholic doctrine.

Actually Cdl. Burke said “like a ship without a helm.” That’s very different from a rudder.

Amen brother, we are sent to convert the world, not to conform to the world’s values.

Mick O’Malley,
I fully agree with you Mick and thank Cardinal Burke for his valid opinion.

It appears many have forgotten Jesus’ words when the devil tempted Him “…get behind me Satan.. It appears that many commentators have chosen that they are have the answer to proclaim they know more than God’s word as revealed in the Scriptures. Their is no in between. You are either right or wrong, yes or no. Pride proceeds a fall!

Jehovah God is the Universal Sovereign and is Most High over all the earth (Psalm 83:18).

Jesus is the son of Jehovah God (Matthew 3:17).

You are misinformed. No one is prohibited from communion for divorce. If an annulment is obtained, then it is possible to contract a marriage again.

You can get a Catechism for $4.00, This would clear up all of these misconceptions.

Ray Burke should exit gracefully (if he knows how to do such a thing )
He is not relevant and could stand to go on a diet

I agree with you 100 percent

Rude – less as in less rude yes, steerage provided by jesus who this pope clearly listens to. All the stupid verse chanting to what end? interpretation. period. I am so amused when I see this tactic and gloating bigots and isolationist racist sexist hater people who jesus merely pities. I think of a great american lay person who famously said. ” I pity the foos”

Cardinal Burke is a traditionalist, as such he’s scared of change. His style is a ‘crash through’ approach to issues, a ‘take no prisoners’ sort of guy. But change is coming and the good cardinal, along with others who agree with him, have missed the boat (to stretch the analogy). Our beloved church is significantly relevant when it reaches out to everyone, especially the marginalised and in today’s Gospel readings we are encouraged to invite them to dinner. Can you imagine Christ sitting down to dinner with the divorced, with gays and a whole range of folk who are on the outer? I can. This is why Pope Francis is way ahead of Cardinal Burke, he understands the need to be relevant, he understands Gods loves us, pure and simple, and not just the privileged (I tempted to say ‘clergy’). The Church has been in need of a Francis from the moment Pope Paul VI ignored the advice of his ‘council(s)’ and banned contraception in that famous encyclical. That was the moment people disengaged from the church, many never to return. Man-made rules are meant to be challenged, to be debated, argued over but not shut down as Cardinal Burke would have it.

PJ I am sure you meant to address your remarks to Father Gerard…
That’s the only way it would make any sense…

Very agreeable with you Fr. Chris. The Pope’s primarily role is supposedly preservation and protection of Catholic faith and doctrine. But he is seemingly not inclined to proclaim the truth and teaching on family, marriage and sexuality.

He is instead inclined to create a picture of a caring mother who accepts everyone in the name of false mercy. The most merciful that the Pope can do is supposedly to proclaim and reaffirm the faith and doctrine in the name of salvation. Mercy is not condoning acts of sinfulness such as same sex marriage and adultery. In line manner, the most merciful that Cardinal Burke is trying to do is to correct what Pope Francis has omitted to do. He cannot afford not to speak out since our souls are heavily reliant on the truth and teaching of the Catholic church.

Oh get down off that crucifix, someone needs the wood.

I don;t think it is fear that the Pope has for Burke. Rather that the Pope is the Leader of the Church.. And Burke is trying to buck that and make his own rules and rulings.

The Pope has tried to reason with him but Burke is insistence on his stance.. and so he had been demoted.

I am sure in any organisation where a ’employee’ – no matter how gifted and talented turns to his ‘boss’ and say “I’m not going to do that. I’m not going to support that” will quickly find they are out!!!
At least Burke still has a job…

Micheal – I do not know what race you are. But lets say that you were born black.. and the bible says that only the whites can be saves.. Or visa-versa.
Can you imagine your angst and disillusionment at the Church for forcing that view in this day and age.
Likewise for gay people. We are made that way by God. Not through choice but by God. And if that is so hard to believe then just look to a person of a different race and consider their choice to be of that race.

Yawn…

Correction: I meant to say towards the end of my comment re: a newly ordained priest: “…..sadly he is NOT alone in his warped thinking”

Who? Crdl Burke and..who else? you are not going refering to the Ciudad del este Bishop and that luxurious German bishop?

One thing has become clear.that the trads by comments like this are handing victory on a silver plate to the libs. quite easy.

Twice the good Cardinal has spoken “against” his superior. Oh we will surely find lots of reasons and biblical justifications and so.

Respectfully, I believe the traditionalists will not be ableto live under the same roof with PF and will go insto schism soon-

you either Love Peter as a true catholic or tolerate him as many trads unfortunately do

Sal and Fr. Gerard, the Holy Spirit may be invoked in the conclave, just as he may be invoked in our lives. That does not guarantee that every decision, every choice, every direction the Church takes is now God’s choice for the Church, does it? If it does, then why did our former pope, now St. John Paul 2, publicly apologize for mistakes the Church has made in the past under the leadership of various popes? He was, in essence, apologizing for decisions made by other popes, wasn’t he? Or how about the inspired word of God where St. Paul opposed St. Peter, saying of our first pope: “When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?” Saints throughout history have been noted for admonishing popes and have been praised for it in retrospect. St. Catherine of Siena advised Gregory and reproved Urban (and Urban apparently took her correction!); so this mentality of never being able to have a different opinion than the current pope is ridiculous. And regarding Pope Francis, surely, you cannot be saying everything this pope says and does must always be in exact accord with what God says and does? Pope Francis himself, in one of his first public statements to the press said something akin to, “I am a sinner.” Yes, we all may invoke the help of the Holy Spirit, but that does not mean that we always listen to Him. It doesn’t mean we always obey Him. It doesn’t mean everything we think, do, say, and imagine is in accordance with the Spirit. The lives of popes, bishops, priests, and laymen throughout millennia have been proof enough of that.

So, padre, is he your Papa right or wrong!

Please have the common courtesy, if nothing else, to refer to the head of our church as “Pope Francis.” Who do you think you are to be so disrespectful of such a holy, wonderful and enlightened leader and follower of St. Peter?

You sound like a Puritan or Calvanist from the 1600s. Very sad, indeed, that you have such a negative ideology…

Father FJ: What utter bull…..
As one of those poor punters in the pews I am astounded that you are so far off the mark.
You, who places so much stock in the documents of Vatican II, read this
From Cardinal Kasper, patron saint of Modernist ( the synthesis of all heresy) who said this, printed in the Vatican Newspaper L’Osservatore Romano dated the 13thApril 2013
” In many instances the council Fathers had to find compromise formulas in which the position of the major are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to limit them. Thus the conciliar text themselves had a huge potential for conflict and open the door to selective reception in either direction”

This, coming from the darling of the Modernist camp. So you who have hitched your star to a council that was ‘manipulated’ to the extent that it was, have only yourself to blame . The only one that would need to manipulate a council of the Church would be satan himself. Our Lord has no need to manipulate anything.
Try this also From Pope Paul VI ( soon to be Saint Pope Paul VI) in 1971…
” I believed that after VII, a sunny day would dawn, but instead came a day of cloud, storms and darkness ”
This is the same Holy Father that said soon after he promulgated the Novus Ordo Missea made his now famous statement that the ‘Smoke of satan’ had entered the sanctuary of the Church
Paul also had this to say on the 60th anniversary of Fatima ( 13/10/77)…”

“satan is functioning in the disintegration of the Catholic Church. The darkness of satan has entered and is spreading throughout the Church, even to its summit. Apostasy and the loss of the faith is spreading into the highest level within the Church”
Cardinal Siri also said at the time ” If the Church were not divine, the 2nd Vatican council would have buried Her”

So as a priest of the Church ( as you claim) do yourself a favour and investigate the veracity or otherwise of those comment, and then maybe you will cease to be part of the problem in the Church.
Confusion reigns at the moment in the Church. The Holy spirit is not the author of confusion.

Once again, the athiest is “cherry picking” verses to throw at us, from parts of the Bible that do not apply to us. You don’t have the Spirit of God, therefore, you cannot understand the Scriptures, so please stop annoying us with your irrelevant and mistaken arguments.

Kris:
You accuse Cardinal Burke of being a darling of the Catholic Media.?????
Better to be a darling of the Catholic Press than being the darling of the Secular, world press as the Holy Father is.
The Holy Father as ‘Time’ magazine ‘man of the Year’….
Being lauded by the likes of Obama and Elton John and having his picture sped out on the Homo sexual Snot rag is hardly to be commended.
The great apostasy you speak of commenced with Vatican II and the new order of the mass.
How’s this from Pope Saint John Paul II in 1981 only about 11 years after the introduction of the New Mass…
” We must admit realistically and with feelings of great pain, that Catholics in large measure feel lost , confused ,perplexed and even disappointed;
Ideas apposed to the truth that has been revealed and always taught, are being scattered abroad in abundance;
Heresies is in the full and proper sense of the word have been spread in the areas of dogma and morals ,creating doubt confusion and rebellions;
The liturgy has been tampered with; immersed in an intellectual and moral relativism and therefor permissiveness, Catholic are tempted by atheism, agnosticism, vaguely moral enlightenment and by a sociological Christianity devoid of defined dogma and or objective morality”

It is heartening to have a Cardinal that has the balls to stand up to the Modernist/liberals in the Church that are attempting to tear down the Church.
Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Pell are two that are trying to keep Her upright.
To you I say… WAKE UP

Never a disease. A “syndrome” named but never accepted by the medical authorities. Now obsolete, considered incorrect and derogatory and meaningless. You really should raise your sights from the lower parts of gay men. And what of gay women? Tell us of the dangers of their “Sodomy.” You must be a man.

Now that’s pretty funny. The all knowing and all powerful god allowed a bad pope to be his vicar on earth.

” when the latter is a grave sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance! ” Ah, yes. Then elevation of a minor sin at best into the One True Sin (TM).

funny how your particular, peculiar version of god seems to bless every country that is accepting of gay people, while every one that doesn’t is a hell hole.

You’re just making this up.

I feel fine.

Actually, what brought us into the dark ages was Christianity. what brought us out of it was contact with the arab world.

A Catholic Priest, besides the pope, with a brain and a heart.

It is sad to see how you all are talking about Papa Francis. Although I am not a Roman Catholic, I love and admire Pope Francis’s attitude towards all God’s Children. Papa Francis opened my heart with so much desire love others as Jesus loved us. I am very sure if he was an european man then, it would be no problem for many of you here with his teachings and praxis of the Catholic faith.
Well, after all, it is your decision and please respect this man of God who has worked hard for the Lord and continues to do so…

Geoff: You present a reasoned response to my comment. I want you to know I respect that.

I understand that some, maybe even many, Catholics are upset with this Pope’s approach to his office. My remark to PAL @Phillip was made because it seems to me his comments were beyond upset. He expresses a wish that ISIS will find Pope Francis and that “his life will be short.” More than that, it’s his daily prayer. I think we both know how ISIS deals with their enemies. That’s what he prays for daily.

Please don’t fold this sick individual into a group of those dissatisfied with the current Pope. If he really prays daily as he says he does, creating that mental picture of ISIS killing Francis, he needs individual attention, and help. The old-time morals books had a name for that mind set. It was called morose delectation. And it was not a good thing.

We, the church, the people of God must tell Cardinal Burke to “SHUT – UP!” and retire.

What this cardinal is really saying is that he doesn’t like the direction the current pope is steering the church.

So he is deceiving himself and others…. doing the work of Lucifer.

This so called “cardinal” is a total jerk. It is my sincere hope he rots in hell.
When he gets to the gates of heaven, St. Peter will have a few choice words for him; as he will say to him: “Sorry Cardinal, you have been demoted.” Proceed to the gates of hell.

He is the worst pope ever. I do not think he is catholic in his mind. Is there a way to get him out of there. He imprisons those who disagree with him like Cardinal Burk. My question, is there a way to remove him

“Gay Bowel Disease” is what resides in the turgid, moist undergarments of Taliesin and his gang of anti-popes. So rancid are his thoughts, that even Satan himself will not dare download the aching bladder stench of Taliesin and the raging pinnacle of putrefication.

If there ever was a cardinal who should be demoted to being a janitor Burke is it. Let’s hope that the Pope steps up and does it.

Maybe he’ll be the last pope and the world can move on! The church is a time capsule and to me, and I respect other’s opinions, it needs to either get current in its thinking or leave the world alone and let people evolve spiritually by themselves the way we are design to do it!