Cardinal says church under Pope Francis is a ‘rudderless ship’

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Cardinal Raymond L. Burke leaves the concluding session of the extraordinary Synod of Bishops on the family at the Vatican Oct. 18, shortly before he lost his post as prefect of the Supreme Court of the Apostolic Signature. He is now patron of the Knights of Malta, based in Rome. Photo by Paul Haring, courtesy of Catholic News Service

Cardinal Raymond L. Burke leaves the concluding session of the extraordinary Synod of Bishops on the family at the Vatican Oct. 18, shortly before he lost his post as prefect of the Supreme Court of the Apostolic Signature. He is now patron of the Knights of Malta, based in Rome. Photo by Paul Haring, courtesy of Catholic News Service

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VATICAN CITY (RNS) Catholics around the world are "feeling a bit seasick because they feel the church’s ship has lost its way," American Cardinal Raymond Burke said.

  • rob

    no kidding .. He is just speaking about it publically now.

    why did he not way before he was being demoted….

  • Fran

    The church has lost its way or “rudder” for a very long time now, and will probably continue in that course.

  • Lord Cardinal Burke’s Americanism is showing….was the election of the pontiff purely the result of a “town meeting” or due to the movement of the Holy Spirit?
    Is this the result of cardinals not listening to the Holy Spirit…..or the Spirit not doing what the cardinals want? Who feels rudderless? Everyone I’ve spoken to feels more validated as a child of God, and more willing to listen to the Pope with an open and accepting mind. And some are not even Roman Catholic. Was there not the same uneasiness and reaction at the start of Vatican II? Christ Jesus never required anyone to present a membership card in good standing before He’d talk to, or listen to them. Why does Cardinal Burke?

  • Karla

    The main thing that needs to be done is preaching Repentance of all sin not
    just gay marriage and/or abortion. Luke 13 says we must bear good fruit and
    the fruit is of Repentance not good works because good works don’t save us
    and many non-believers do good works so we must Repent! We must Repent!
    1 Corinthians 6:9-12 lists swindlers,thieves,drunkards,adulterers,slanderers,
    all the sexually immoral,idolaters,greedy coveters and homosexuals as who
    will not inherit the kingdom of heaven unless they Repent. Bible says if you
    have a sharp tongue your religion is worthless so people need to bridle their
    mean spirited/sharp tongues! Gambling,gossip,jealousy,premarital sex,pride
    and also taking the Lords name in vain are all wrong! Ephesians 5:18 says
    don’t get drunk and also 1 Corinthians 6:10 says that all drunkards go to hell
    including people who get drunk with strong wine cause the wine Jesus made
    was new wine/diluted/made for symbolic reasons not to get drunk plus Bible
    says don’t get drunk on strong wine/don’t get drunk with wine it’s debauchery!

    Christ came to fulfill the Law not to abolish it so we are under Grace but that
    does not nullify the Law or that we are to follow it. Grace allows us to Repent
    but many think it allows them to sin but Grace allows us to Repent and there
    is a really big difference. Bible says Repent or perish! We all must Repent!
    Two guys were next to Jesus on the Cross and only one guy went to heaven!
    Why is that? Only one guy Repented/had a change of heart about his sin.
    If you say you love Jesus then don’t follow the Bible/religion no Truth is in
    you! It’s not enough to just believe in Jesus. We all must Repent/follow Him!
    Bible says Repent and believe the Gospel to be saved. We must Repent!

  • Would someone please save this man from himself?

  • kaapman

    Amen Brother! You hit the nail right on the head. This is the first time that not only Catholics but other Christians and even non believers have felt welcome at the table without having to present their card in good standing! God’s mercy and forgiveness is for everyone not only those the Lord Cardinal has decided is worthy by his narrow interpretation of scripture and mercy. If God did as he/she was told the +Burkes and his ilk would be so much more pleasant to us sinners!

  • kaapman

    Todd, he has saved himself. No need for God or the Holy Spirit; they are annoyances in the way of +Burke’s truth or “truthiness” as some comedian once said!

  • Bob8

    Karla, the whole Christ-sacrifice story that you keep harping about here incessantly, the foundation of your crazy blood cult, is complete nonsense out of the gate. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Really, it’s time to get past your ancient superstitions that cause so much hate and bigotry. Put the religious fables such as your Jesus sacrifice nonsense behind you, and help move humanity forward for a change instead of dragging it back into darker ages with your disgusting Christian mumbo jumbo.

  • Bob8

    Karla, the whole Christ-sacrifice story that you keep harping about here, the foundation of your crazy blood cult, is complete nonsense out of the gate. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Really, get past your ancient superstitions that cause so much hate and bigotry. Put the religious fables such as your Jesus sacrifice nonsense behind you, and help move humanity forward for a change instead of dragging it back into darker ages with your disgusting Christian mumbo jumbo.

  • Fran

    Karla,

    Besides repenting of our sins, it is also urgent that true Christians preach the good news of God’s kingdom or heavenly government (Daniel 2:44) as the only hope for mankind in the whole inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations before the end of this wicked era comes (Matthew 24:14).

  • Augustine Thomas

    “Roman Catholic Church” is a term invented by bitter Anglicans to suggest that the Church is just another sect/”denomination”. The proper term is ‘Catholic Church’.
    Typically we allow people to name themselves, having learned of the bigoted, backwardness of allowing antagonistic groups to name their perceived enemies.

  • laurel

    Rob, Cardinal Burke DID speak out ….about a lot of things. For example, ask Cardinal Wuerl ’bout that….where were you ? Why do you think he’s being ‘demoted ‘ ? Cardinal Burke is today’s St Athanasia.

    The Good Lord Himself said “…when the Son of man comes, will He find faith on earth?’ (Lk 18:8) It’s not about numbers, folks, (Jn 6:67); It’s only about each of us choosing to live in His Truth. He offers us mercy but we have to accept – on His terms, not ours. It is merciful of Cardinal Burke to proclaim that to each of us.

  • Mike

    You need to read the news more often. Burke did previously make comments about the Pope and has stood up for Church teaching. Why do you think he’s being demoted?

  • “movement of the Holy Spirit” or something diabolical? Can God’s laws change, Brother? Is it ‘mercy’ and ‘justice’ to not follow the truth of God’s laws? Do we suddenly have compassion now, compared to the mean 1900 years of upholding the Word? I certainly feel rudderless.

  • Steve Jalsevac

    To write that the Cardinals comments are an “attack” on Francis is a very serious mischaracterization of them. He would never see it that way. He always speaks with charity and the good of all in mind. He would only want to positively influence Francis. I know the man. That is how he thinks, how he acts. He is not an “attacker”. He is a gentle, kind, soft-spoken person who wishes the best for everyone.

  • Steve Jalsevac

    You mean save him from media interpretations of what he says.

  • jacob

    God’s mercy and forgiveness is for everyone who is repentant of their sins. Only those will be welcome at the table who have repented and paid for their sins. As Catholic dogma states: If anyone dies unrepentant in a state of mortal sin, the soul of that person immediately goes to hell.

  • JTLiuzza

    God’s mercy and forgiveness have always been available to everyone. All have always been “welcome at the table.” Even a protestant could quote scripture for days whereby our Lord talks of separating the wheat from the chaffe and a real hell where there will be grinding and gnashing of teeth, many are called but few are chosen…

    Christ was crucified with two thieves. One, St. Dismas, was PENITENT and now is in heaven as our Lord willed and spoke as He hung on the cross. The other was not penitent but obstinate in his sin. The Lord didn’t say a thing to him.

    We are all sinners but we are all called to holiness which necessarily means REPENTANCE. That is the message that needs to be proclaimed. Encouraging mortal sinners to remain in their sin through some diabolical distortion of “mercy” is evil because those souls will end up in hell. God is merciful but He is also just. And the both of them are linked.

  • JD

    Amen Mr. Jalsevac. As far as I can tell this is just a hit piece by RNS after Burke humiliated them by correcting their dishonest paraphrasing of him at the Synod. Ms. McKenna taking a handful of controversial quotes from the Cardinal devoid of any context is, well…pathetic and beneath any credible journalist let alone one who is Catholic.

  • Karla

    JT-Amen/well said!

  • Karla

    jacob-Amen! Bible says Repent or perish! Luke 13 says we must bear good fruit and that fruit is fruit of Repentance not good works because good works don’t save and many,many non-believers do good works, We all need to/must Repent!
    Bible says Repent and believe the Gospel to be saved! We all must Repent!

  • Don’t you think a lot of this grumbling is because the Pope is cracking down on Vatican crime? They say one thing but mean another, and it’s not really all that hard to see through it.

  • airborneman

    One must wait until the synod was complete or almost complete before one can discuss it. You must be a public school graduate.

  • Dominic Zaidan

    The dark ages is exactly where we’re heading and fast. And do you know why? Because we’re rejecting the one and only thing that brought us out of it. Christianity! Go back and look closer at history with a humble, clean heart and mind and you’ll see it.

  • Joan

    This homosexual issue is a bunch of phony nonsense. Everyone is welcome in a Catholic Church. Every Catholic parish has registered members who are gay, and also other things like divorced, living together, criminals, and such. A Catholic parish is the most diverse in the world, unlike Evangelicals, Episcopals or Baptists, in which you will find exactly every person of the same socio-economic status, race, education, and political affiliation.

    The Catholic faith acknowledges homosexual behavior as depraved and damaging to the individuals involved, including children. We all know this. Just like a woman having babies with different fathers and unmarried is damaging to her and the children. Sin causes harm. That is all we are saying.

    But as for welcome, for Pete’s sake, be honest. If you are Catholic you know this is true. If you are not, then you have no right to an opinion. Think back (depending on your age) 10,30, 50 years. Have we not always had gays in Church? Have we not always had gays in the Priesthood? Have we not always had gays in the Seminary? Have we not always had gays in the Curia? AND AT A A PERCENTAGE VASTLY MORE HUGE than the general population. Everyone is welcome in Church. However, not everyone is welcome to go to the Altar (it’s NOT a “table”) of Communion. This is a religion, not the rotary club, we can make our own rules, and this one was made by Jesus Christ. No one has ever hurt or denied a gay person, in fact they are catered to now as a special class. The gays and the media are creating an issue where there is not issue.

  • Mary

    Christ’s sacrifice was also to expose our hearts, to move and inspire us. The New Covenant was because the prior Covenants had been ignored, God wanted people to choose to reject sin, repent and strive to live like Christ. You can be as snarky as you like, it doesn’t change fact that Christ is real, He inspired what became civil rights, His teachings inspired outlawing slavery & the vast majority of all humane achievements in the world. What did athieists achieve, well, in 60-70 years in the 20th century the athiest cult of Marxism is responsible for the slaughter of approx 100 million innocent civilians.

  • Mike O’Malley

    But he has made his clearest criticism of Pope Francis style in his papacy yet with the comments reported in this interview. And deseverdly so. To sideline a man of Cardinal Burke’s talents, gifts and the contributions he can make to the Church is a terrible waste. What is Francis’s fear of Cardinal Burke? Is he concerned that as Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura he would be an obstacle to streamlined easy annulments? Is he concerned that as the Bishop of a major diocese he would also be an annulment obstacle, and an obstacle to homosexual unrepentant participation in a parish? Is he concerned as a Bishop of a Diocese Burke would again publicly prevent a major political candidate from receiving communion for his support of abortion, as he did before as a Diocesan Bishop? An action the Francis supporting Cardinal Dodlan now says is a thing of the past? The sidelining of Cardinal Burke by Pope Francis is one of the clearest indicators of Pope Francis’s real agenda. But it has now freed the good Cardinal to be more of a spokesman for the problems under Francis’s poor leadership than ever.

  • Bob8

    Nonsense, Dominic. Again, the the whole Christ-sacrifice story that Karla keeps harping about here incessantly, the foundation of your crazy blood cult, is complete nonsense out of the gate. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Really, it’s time to get past your ancient superstitions that cause so much hate and bigotry. Put the religious fables such as your Jesus sacrifice nonsense behind you, and help move humanity forward for a change instead of dragging it back into the horrid past with your disgusting Christian mumbo jumbo.

  • Bob8

    Baloney, Mary. Present any modern evidence for your crazy sky fairy story. Good luck with that; there isn’t any.

    Again, the whole Christ-sacrifice story that people keep harping about here, the foundation of your crazy blood cult, is complete nonsense out of the gate. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Before you respond again, spend a bit more time pondering the meaning of “omnipotent’.

  • Bob8

    Actually, Mary, your nasty holy book AKA the bible specifically supports slavery, and in fact dictates it. Look at these direct quotes from both foul testaments of your evil holy book:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    1 Timothy 2:11
    “Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.”

    Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don’t get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it’s in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god’s mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your “god” couldn’t come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken “out of context”, and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you’ve made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish superstitions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

  • Fr. Christopher

    Bro.Guadalupe Mary, just to clarify a big misunderstanding that seems to exist in the Church. The Holy Spirit does not elect popes, Cardinals do. PF was not elected nor chosen by the Holy Spirit. And the people you have talked to that feel validated as children of God…have they repented of serious sin and returned to the sacraments striving to live a life of holiness? The current pope seems to enjoy sowing confusion and clarifies nothing. This does not comport well with Christ’s mandate to “teach all nations,” and “to baptize them.” Cardinal Burke’s concerns are valid and urgent.

  • Maggie Reynolds

    “The acts must be judged; I do not think that the pope thinks differently. They are sinful and unnatural.” Really Burke? Did we loose sight of the teachings of Jesus. Apparently so. It appears Burke instead of supporting Pope Francis and engage in conversation and dialogue would rather talk to the news media to relay his message of defending the faith. Let us not forget the basics of our Catholic faith, Jesus Christ. This is not about Pope Francis or Cardinal Burke, this is about Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit moving through us and the world.

  • Peter

    That’s a rather vague statement with nothing to back it up. You need to clarify what you are trying to say.

  • William

    Your Eminence, move it along now…. Bye bye…..Thank God, your time has passed.

  • Rick Scott

    Mike: How has Cardinal Burke been “sidelined,” as you say? He was a voting member of the recent synod. He was appointed one of the summarizers. He continues to write and speak freely to journalists. The only role from which he is being removed is one that would give him the power to impose his interpretations of Catholic doctrine and practice on others.

    You write as if he has been abused by his removal from that last role. Is he for some reason entitled to that power? Are there no other Cardinals who can handle it properly? Is periodic rotation of positions of power a bad thing?

    My surmise is that it’s more a matter of your affinity for the way he has made some controversial decisions and a fear that others holding that authority will not decide things your preferred way.

    Cardinal Burke is also doing a lot of whining about his change of assignments. He would do well to read Thomas a Kempis on who should, and who should not, hold authority over others. You might read it also.

  • Jerry

    Bob,
    You are the best argument against atheism I’ve ever heard.

  • Rick Scott

    One does wonder where all Bob’s anger comes from. If you read his posts in this thread one-after-another, you see an increase of repetition and fury. And I’m someone who agrees with a number of things he’s said when I read them with a calm ear.

    Angry proselytizers of any position are off-putting, as you note in this instance. For me, it’s Saint John Chrysostom that raises my gorge. What an anti-Semite.

  • PAL (@PhillipAlanDom)

    jose maria bergoglio, bishop of rome is a flat out heretic by any standard of catholic measurement.
    he speaks heresy everytime he open his peronist-marxist mouth.
    I have stopped praying for him and have started praying for a new pope.
    Though I do say this every day.
    bergoglio, may your time be short and may isis find you were you live
    God forgive you.

  • Xippo

    even the devil can cite scripture for his purposes

  • Xippo

    I am proud of the name “Roman Catholic Church,” as its tradition is derived from the apostles and is that very great, very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103303.htm

  • kris

    He’s beginning to sound more like a gossipy old woman with “connections” via being a darling of the self anointed American Catholic media. To continue to attack the place of the Pope, order him as to what he must say, divide opinion about him and hide behind the politically inspired “I’m not attacking the person of the Pope” is unconscionable. What a destructive force from within. Any predicted apostasy looks more and more likely it’ll be from the extreme right. Feel much safer with a C. Pell type to steer this ship rather than a hysterical member of the crew attempting a mutiny.

  • StatVeritas

    Well said father!

  • StatVeritas

    I came across this very interesting, and informative interview by Fr. Malachi Martin.

    I believe this was his last interview at least with Art Bell.

    If anyone is interested in hearing what he has to say about the state of the Church and what is happening to it please take the time to listen to it and shared it with others.

    I for my part think that he’s right on in his assessment of the crisis in the Church today.

  • StatVeritas

    I came across this very interesting, and informative interview by Fr. Malachi Martin.

    I believe this was his last interview at least with Art Bell.

    If anyone is interested in hearing what he has to say about the state of the Church and what is happening to it please take the time to listen to it and shared it with others.

    I for my part think that he’s right on in his assessment of the crisis in the Church today.

    PLEASE GO TO YOUTUBE:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn–7GTffn8

  • StatVeritas

    I came across this very interesting, and informative interview by Fr. Malachi Martin.

    I believe this was his last interview at least with Art Bell.

    If anyone is interested in hearing what he has to say about the state of the Church and what is happening to it please take the time to listen to it and shared it with others.

    I for my part think that he’s right on in his assessment of the crisis in the Church today.

    PLEASE GO TO YOUTUBE:
    Art Bell & Malachi Martin Last Interview 1998
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn–7GTffn8

    ps. I wish there was an edit button in all websites.

  • Lillie Riney

    You said a mouthful. This has been going on since Vatican II with most of these “popes” being outright heretics, proclaiming as truth the things that have perpetually been anathema and against all God’s teachings. It’s really easy for the “feel good” people to practice almost any faith now, where at one time, the Catholic church was the only holdout against rampant immorality.

  • B Sonnier

    The man sounds very unchristian to me. A bitter old man that is a bigot and hater. Jesus said love thy neighbor. He should heed his teaching.

  • Rob: You should do a little more research. Cardinal spoken out many times before this. I suggest it is precisely because of that, he is being demoted

  • Jack: He is defending the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic.
    I suggest it is you that is very transparent …

  • roberto

    Pope Benedict XVI says in his book ‘Jesus of Nazaret’ that the truth of God is not defined by surveys nor the Catholic church is a democracy governed by the vote of the majority. Pope Francis’ public image seems to contradict pope Benedict. I am afraid pope Francis is shaping different prophecies validated by the church like Fatima, Lordes, La Sallette, Akita, among others. Recently I read a powerful sentence that may be our houselight in this time of turbulence and uncertainty: “Jesus is the encarnation of God’s love”. Let’s discern the truth by what may guide us in our heart to love in truth and in spirit, as Jesus taught and showed us during his physical time with us.

  • Bro: You need to get out and about a bit more often. Cardinal Burke is a true descendant of the Apostles.
    If the Pope said black was white would you still listen to him with an open and accepting mind?
    We sometimes get the Pope we deserve. There is ample evidence of disreputable Popes in the past. Were they chosen by the Holy Spirit?

    Having said that, I am not saying the current Holy Father is disreputable.

    I also suggest you start talking to those poor punters in the pews to get a real feel of what the state of the Church is…… Confusion in the Church is rampant in this part of the world ( Western Australia) and most every other place on the Globe. Yes, confused and rudderless…
    Please Pray for the Holy Father and the Church

  • Doc Anthony

    “Pope Francis’ public image seems to contradict pope Benedict”

    It’s worse than that. It even contradicts Pope John Paul II.

    THAT’s how bad it is.

  • Father Christopher: I cant believe what I am hearing… A priest with the balls to say it like it is…at Last. God Bless You Father.

    (excuse the crudeness. Some times it take the language of the streets to reach the people on the Streets)

  • Doc Anthony

    Oh no no no, you’re wrong Fran. Under this new sailor, Captain Pope Francis, the Catholic Church does indeed have a rudder.

    In fact, their rudder now looks exactly like the rudder on THIS ship !!!!!!!!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic#mediaviewer/File:RMS_Titanic_3.jpg

  • JT: Yep, your are dead right.

  • roberto

    Pope John Paul II, now declared a saint in a solemne ceremony by the Catholic faith.

  • Its official…. Bob8 is a computer driven robot

  • roberto

    Some of you may be interested in the following video. I found it very enlightening to me. It is on some possible connection between Fatima and pope Francis. It last a bit more than an hour.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htvaQxvo0Iw

  • kris

    And at the consistory of 21 February 2001, Archbishop Bergoglio was created a cardinal by (Saint) Pope John Paul II!!

  • roberto

    Here another interesting video related to the one I just sent.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k34FO-7De7Y&list=PLF42B96B436289681

  • Mary2

    Bob8, our Father in heaven must always work with human will. He created the laws that bind even His ability to violate our choices, and so it has unfolded, the story of Christ, through the ages via the human will for better or for worse.

  • Everyone is welcome in Church. However, not everyone is welcome to go to the Altar of Communion instituted by Jesus Christ. No one has ever hurt or denied a gay person.The gay need to come out from the situation and accept Christ and follow his teaching.

  • Alvin

    Spot on JTLiuzza, spot on!

  • Alvin

    Excellent response Fr. Christopher! Thank you!

  • jj

    THANK JESUS that THE USA HAS 6 ROMAN CATHOLIC JUDGES ON THE SUPREME COURT

    AND a NICE GUY playing his role as A “conservative” Cardinal in America.

    MAYBE JESUS should have his mom-MAKE THE SUN SPIN IN AMERICA!!!

  • jj

    Well, the synod on the family was INDEED EXTRAORDINARY as homosexuals can’t produce babies.

  • jj

    WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BE IMPRESSED that SAINT FRANCIS eschews the POOP MOBILE when amongst his fans???

    HOW ABOUT EXCOMMUNICATING ‘choice’ POLITICIANS

    -THE WAY St. JPll did with TED KENNEDY???

  • Fr. Gerard

    Fr. Christopher, you must have forgotten your study of Ecclesiology and Pneumatology, Sacred Theology of the Church and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit inspires those gathered in Conclave and Synod through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. As we know in Sacred Theology, the potential for us to respond to God’s grace is a grace in itself. So, those gathered in Conclave for the successor of Peter whether it be Pope St John XXIII, Pope St. John Paul II or Pope Francis is a result of the action of the Holy Spirit working through those gathered under the influence of the Holy Spirit. God chooses the weak and then strong in making them bare witness to the Love of God. No clergy is worthy to participate in the transubstantion of the bread and wine to become the Body and Blood of Jesus, yet God uses broken human hands for this.

    In other times in history to question the action or work of the Pope, such language would be considered heresy. Anyone who know the history of the church – women and children at different times in history were forbidden from the reception of Holy Communion. etc. I’m disappointed in Cardinal Burke and others who lack respect of the Pope and mercy for those living challenging and in difficult situations. So, Pope Francis participating in a Synod where Pastors around the world identify those who hunger for the Sacrement seems in line with the action of Jesus and his ministry. Feed the hungry to grow in grace to make very important decisions.

  • Lucia

    God’s plan is better than our plan including Pope Francis’s plan, no surprise.
    I am praying and keeping my fingers crossed that we may be wrong about PF and that he will clean up the mess he is making and lead us onto the right path sooner rather than later.

  • Lucia

    Cardinal Burke is one of the “youngest” cardinals around at only 67. Lots of time and service left of him. We look forward to much more of his guidance in the years to come.

  • The Great God Pan

    The Catholic Church a rudderless ship? It sounds too good to be true, but one can always hope!

  • Fr. Gerard:
    sometimes there is no substitute for common sense.

    You obviously do not agree with God permitting us a Pope that we deserve.
    What say you of Pope Alexander the V (or was it the VI) You’ve heard of him he is the one that had his girl friend, his mistress and his wife in the Vatican with him as he ran the Church and attended matters of state.
    If you questioned him you would be a heretic I suppose.
    The Holy Spirit approved of him I suppose and directed his election.

    Some times too much ‘learnen’ will weaken ya.

    And what of all the anti-popes. Cardinal Pell said recently there were about 31 of them in the history of the Church.
    All those that ‘hunger’ for the sacraments know what they have to do. Speaking of Sacraments What about the Sacrament of Confession? Have you or they thought of that option.?
    Here’s a thought…have you tried praying for them?
    No, its all too hard…lets just them receive the Blessed Sacrament while in a state of serious sin

  • PS… can one pray for a robot???

  • Irene

    I think its the other way around: Burke is a garden-variety disgruntled employee whining about the boss who demoted him. Every critical comment he makes to the pres, should be introduced by ” Cardinal Burke,recently fired by Pope Francis, says…..”

    People should be informed of Burke’s own bias before reading his remarks.

    (Better yet, don’t print what he says at all, but I don’t see that happening)

  • Irene

    Cardinal Burke creates scandal by fostering disunity. He is a false prophet.

  • Joseph

    This is what happens when you place tributes to imaginary gods ahead of human concerns. It creates moral confusion. To anyone who has eyes to see, it isn’t right to keep people in a marriage they don’t wish to be in, and there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Neither divorce nor homosexuality are harmful. This is obvious when you don’t believe fantastic, unverifiable stories handed down by illiterate peasants, but to those who believe, obvious conclusions cannot be arrived at. Contrary to what many of you think, belief doesn’t lead to moral clarity. Disbelief will lead to moral clarity. I encourage all of you to examine the issues of divorce and homosexuality not through the eyes of an imaginary God, but your own. Then you will see everything clearly.

  • Jim

    Is there something specific about Cardinal Burke’s remarks that you are addressing or can we just attribute your response to mere “whining”. Perhaps in the future you will inform us of your own bias. Better yet, maybe they won’t print what you say at all…

  • Rick Scott

    Why so much anger and hatred, PAL?

    I do understand your internal conflict. On the one hand, as a Catholic you believe a Pope is infallible in his teachings. On the other hand, you believe this particular Pope is a flat out heretic. That’s difficult to reconcile.

    Good luck with resolving your personal conflict. However, turning it into anger and hatred is not a path to resolution. Nor will the death of “this Pope” resolve it, much as you appear to think it will.

  • kris

    Strange then how the man was buried from the Church. Love all the sharing of misinformation whenever there’s any thread anywhere re: Cath. Church or Pope. The bigots who lie in waiting in the woodwork expose their great intellectually challenged remarks over and over again.

  • joanp62

    Wouldn’t we say that Jesus is the rudder of the ship and He is most definitely there and in charge? We must not lose heart or faith that ultimately Jesus is in control. As queasy as we may feel, do not, I repeat, do not jump ship.
    God Bless.

  • cenlacatholic

    Oh please, sir, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Francis is systematically removing orthodox Bishops and not to mention literally placed an orthodox Order under ecclesiastical house-arrest because they worship as our ancestors did 1,800 years ago–in the traditional Latin Mass. Pope Humble the First allowed entertaining the most hideous questions concerning the Faith–including Cardinal Kasper’s heterodox attacks on Our Lord Jesus Christ’s words in Matthew 5:32 and whether or not homosexual “relationships” have something to offer the Church… when the latter is a grave sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance! He then allowed the Bishops to put the Truth to a vote (as if they were protestants, southern baptists or something!), as Truth is clearly not established on a majority vote.
    He is attempting to transform the pillar and bulwark of Truth (1 Tim 3:15) into a schismatic sect of his own making–like the sixteenth century protestant revolutionaries.

    He is showing himself to be an ideologue and a destroyer, not a liberator and a reformer as the secular media portray him to be.

  • PJ

    Cardinal Burke is concerned on these issues and most Catholics feel same.
    There are grave problems with leadership and it is reported as being in line of anti Christ and those in freemasons not in keeping with catholic doctrine or Sacred Scripture and warning of Book of life Revelations ignored.
    No man has authority or power over Sovereign Jesus Christ word of God and ignore that God the father sent His Son Jesus to for fill the prophecy to save and redeem man by dying for our sins. He has arisen and give us eternal life and glorified in His Father and give us the helper of Holy Spirit.
    God is in control He doesn’t need protected which the Pope contradicts.

    Mary the mother of Jesus is blessed amongst women, and is not Christ because she obeyed will of God. The father sent His beloved son to save us by dying to redeem man because He loved us first.

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  • Mike O’Malley

    Rick, what I meant when I said Cardinal Burke has been sidelined is that he has been appointed to a powerless ceremonial role as some sort of chaplain to some sort of charitable organization The Military Knights of Malta. A man of Cardinal Burke’s stature really does deserve a post of major service and influence in the Catholic Church, a curial post in the Vatican or bishop of a diocese. Of course as you say no one deserves anything in the church, but he has obviously been sidelined by Pope Francis who is removing him as not supportive of the new agenda. It is an insult. But history is full of exiles who came back to prominence. Cardinal Burke may well have a role to play yet.

  • PJ

    Cardinal Burke has a duty to speak out against incorrect doctrine and speak truth in sacred Scripture or Revelations that is not being followed by the leader of RCC who denies Word of God and creating a new unchristian agenda.
    No man is God, the problem is the leader has gone astray and souls could be damned to follow his road by ignoring facts, when mercy was used to push immoral agenda.
    Jesus Christ is Sovereign King of Kings is the glory and authority and power.
    Prayer to Michael Archangel and Holy Spirit in Name of Jesus is urgent

  • joe

    It was rough going in the church when science proved it was not a geocentric universe. It is rough going now because the truth is coming out that homosexual behavior is not “gravely disordered,” there is no problem whatsoever about homosexuality, except problems created by ignorance and discrimination. BYT, you gotta laugh whenever homosexuality is denounced by a man in a dress. God Bless Pope Francis! He is getting all this flak because his actions are closer to what Jesus would do than his predecessors. Jesus had to deal with Pharisees, the pope has to deal with arch conservative reactionaries who are slaves to the idolatry of pomp, Latin, the Council of Trent, and other encrustacions that have attached to the church over the centuries. Jesus is not about Catholicism! I am a Catholic, but Catholicism is only the vehicle. God the Father is the destination, as taught to us by Jesus.

  • PJ

    Who are you fooling Father Christopher no one but your self-denial of facts in Catholic doctrine and most important Sacred Scripture truth in Word of God this pope is creating wrongful agenda with falling Angles’
    God is in control and in authority no man has any power over Christ Cardinal Burke done his duty in opposing false agenda by leader RCC

    One can not go to the Father except through His Son Jesus Christ, now
    Sovereign Christ. The leader of RCC and some others were not in grace of Holy Spirit. Christ has all glory and fulfilled prophecy it is finish’
    I NOTE NO MENTION OF SIN OR COMMANDMENTS OF GOD
    Catholics do not have to follow controlling false leader in RCC
    All have to account to God

  • Deacon Henning

    Wack job! Of course, I don’t want to be seen speaking against him…..

  • PB

    The more and more I see Burke’s defender’s attacking others, the more and more I see modern day Novationists and Donatists.

    Some heresies never go away. Instead of attacking and belittling, act in a Christian and truly fraternal manner.

  • Gary Lemotte

    His Eminence Cardinal Burke needs to step up and save the Throne of Peter from this Argentinian imposter. It is time to overthrow this man and send him into retirement. The Cardinal will have the support for the overthrow. It is time now, your Eminence. Move.

  • Bob

    Funny, Xippo, that your “all powerful” sky fairy “god” isn’t powerful enough to deal with your poor “satan” that you Christians like to slough off the blame for all you evil deeds onto.

    Grow some courage, toss the Christian superstitions already, and start taking responsibility for your own actions.

  • Bob

    No, Geoff. Your statement is false and now you should know that.

  • Bob

    Jerry, enough with the ad hominems. If you can attempt to rebut any of the detailed statements that I’ve made, then please do so. Otherwise, you can fairly be called a coward, given your personal attacks thus far.

  • JKHouston

    I agree with Irene. Where was cardinal Burke, as a strong man of the Church, when there were so any incidents of abuses of children, corruption within the Church and it’s connection with mafia? As an insider he was a big part of cover up.

  • Bob

    No, Mary. Your Christ sacrifice story really is actually complete rubbish. Think harder about what “omnipotent” actually means.

  • PJ

    Irene, Cardinal Burke spoke out in defence of marriage and family and true doctrine of the Church and also in Sacred Scripture is clear in Word of truth by our Creator God, also revelations warned of false doctrine that this Current pope has agenda with fallen angles is gravely wrong. .
    No word of God can be changed in Sacred Scripture. Sovereign
    Jesus Christ is Head of Church and in control and doesn’t need protected by contradictory opinion of controversial leader of RCH
    God is not full of surprises, His word is same from beginning and end

  • PJ

    Joe Act of homosexuals practice is grave disorder or co habitation all sinful
    Religion is meanness when it is in denial of Word of God

    Sovereign Christ is head of Church, no man has any authority or power.
    Catholics are not obliged to obey pope Francis’s fallen angle agenda
    Our souls are too important to Jesus our Savour and Redeemer
    The Word of God does not change or in revelations that warn us.?

  • jenny

    good point….

  • jenny

    http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30869

    It costs some 30,000 to keep C Burke dressed up….

  • TRK

    All of this will be rendered moot within 2 years by what will occur in Garabandal, Spain. Research it, like Fatima but definitive for all …. The two dates look to be October 18, 2016, and April 13, 2017. All changes …..

  • Dorothy

    Exactly right.

  • schmenz

    Joe:

    When did a sin that “cries to Heaven for vengeance” suddenly become OK? Inquiring minds need to know.

  • Dudley Jones

    Dear Bob8
    Would you be more effective if you abstained from personal attacks?

  • schmenz

    Father,

    As I am sure you know, the Holy Ghost will give the Cardinals direction, if and when they ask for it, just as we mortals will when we ask for guidance in our own spheres. The Holy Ghost doesn’t klonk them on the head and demand that they vote His way. Father Christopher has said plainly and simply what is the simple truth of the matter and, as such, deserves our respect and thanks for doing so.

  • schmenz

    Yawn……

  • Dudley Jones

    Dear Augustine Thomas
    Is not the Roman Catholic Church in communion with other non-Roman Eastern Catholic churches? This gets very complicated. I went to Wikipedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_(term)
    to check out details, still do not really understand.

  • schmenz

    Joan: Of course all sinners are welcomed into the Catholic Church. But that means a trip to the Confessional soon, an ammending of their lives and a firm purpose in avoiding the near occasions of sin. If a sodomite is also a Catholic, for example, he knows that he can get back into God’s good graces by repentance via the Confessional. If he falls back into that mortal sin the Confessional is still there to help him out of it. That’s what the Sacrament of Penance is for.

    But to say that a mortal sinner is welcome in the sin he is constantly committing is not only blasphemy but impending sacrilege, if he should dare, for example, to receive the Blessed Sacrament while in the state of serious mortal sin.

    When we “welcome” sinners to Church we as Catholics have to find charitable ways of helping them out of their sins, not confirming them in them.

  • PJ

    Thank you Cardinal Burke for defence of marriage and family.
    However there are many concern of controversial pope that can’t be ignored.
    It has being reported that there are some in Vatican of secret freemasons lodges e.g. ninth circle rites which are satanic fallen angles.
    The warning in Revelations of these matters unless they repent.
    God’s Word has being contradicted by those fallen satanic angles.
    The Father sent His begotten son to save us to for fill prophecy because He first loved us to redeem man and has risen from dead to give eternal life.
    Sovereign Christ is head of Church and no man has power or authority.

  • aged parent

    “Cardinal Burke is also doing a lot of whining about his change of assignments”

    Kindly supply us with verifiable support for that statement. All we have heard from the Cardinal so far has been a humble acceptance of his demotion.

  • aged parent

    Oh dear, “a bigot and a hater”. Would it suit you if we burned him at the stake? In your presence?

  • JK

    I’ve had many a conservative Catholic say to my face that the Pope is infallible. Now that they disagree with him the way I’ve disagreed with other, past Popes, are they going to have the temerity to say he’s not? That they can publicly speak out against the Pope when publicly speaking out is one thing that is expressly forbidden? That what this Cardinal is doing with his statements isn’t publicly speaking out against him? Conservatives value their culture above everything, that’s my genuine impression, even at the cost of growing, developing and evolving in their faith. Your culture is not God and no one should treat it as such. That’s the sort of stuff Muslim radicals and intolerant people around the world make the mistake of doing.

  • annette breathnaski

    Bergoglio is quite obviously a heretic and antipope. Burke appears brave but he is still antipope boot kissing. Bergoglio must be driven from Repealing with the rest of the heretical bishops. Hey gay lovers and adulterers….start your own church please and take bergoglio with you.

  • JW

    The Tridentine Mass is only 400 years old.

  • roberto

    I have been following with great interest the recent discussions centered on the Catholic church. A lot of cognitive inputs although not that much of emotional intelligence. Three points seem to be getting the most headlines: homosexuality, divorced people, and pope Francis’ acting out. Too much to say. Sound material to reflect on. I will be posting in separate comments my views.

  • My statement ““movement of the Holy Spirit” or something diabolical?” is meant to refer to not doing God’s work. I re-read this, and I don’t want to appear critical of Pope Francis. Thanks!

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  • Rick Scott

    I doubt it, Jack. I’m not a Burke fan, as you can see from my other posts on this thread. But he hasn’t been one of the Roman Cardinals, long-time Vatican apparatchiks, that were involved in the money scandals. He’s been America-based in his career until quite recently.

    I know the adage “If you want to know who and why, follow the money trail.” In Burke’s case I think it’s a misapplication.

    Burke is grumbling because he doesn’t like losing his recently acquired position of power. His conservative supporters are grumbling because they were looking forward to Burke’s imposition of his iron fist, take-no-prisoners approach to a church-wide consituency. Under Francis that will not happen.

  • Rick Scott

    I think you’re the one who has a new church affiliation, Annette. It’s called Sedevacantist.

  • Shadrack

    Burke is an outspoken person he us not scared

  • Rick Scott

    The only death hopes I’ve heard expressed in this thread were made by a Burke supporter–not typical of Burke supporters in general, I’d add. He was hoping and praying that ISIS would locate Pope Francis and do him in. I take it the poster meant cut his head off. That seems to be the ISIS modus operandi.

    Let’s set aside the insinuations that the “other guys” really would like to kill those they disagree with, okay?

  • LMR. Houben

    No kidding! He did speak about it publically all his life! Especially in his, till now, recent office as head of the Signatura Apostolica.

  • roberto

    Homosexuality. A term like ‘alcoholism’, so broad that conceptually result in a collage touching somehow contradictory aspects. ‘Alcoholism’ is traditionally used to refer to ‘the disease’ of alcohol dependence, at the same time of being used to the so varied and multiple alcohol related problems. With ‘homosexualiry’, in its turn , I see a similar usage, to refer to sexual relationships among people of the same sex, at the same time, more recently, of refering to the loving relationhip between people of the same gender. This broad use of the term, in my view, gives rise to the apassionate debate going on. No one, particularly among the faithful, would have any question, that is my impression, regarding the first use. It is condemned as a sinful practice. Rejected in the same token by most people in society. The second use, as applied to the loving relationship among people of the same gender, is what I see the meat of the debate. An emerging concern in society, that apparently fuels a contemporary debate. A justified debate, in my view. Is what pope Francis is for? I would think so. It would be absurd to think otherwise. The difficulty comes when both usages get interwoven. But let’s be clear, nobody would post any questoning regarding the first usage. If so, I personally would not waste my time not even looking at it. But a serious discussion on the second, definitely will attract my attention.

  • Walt

    Jesus said, clearly, that the gates, or power, of Hell will not prevail against His Church. Ever. Therefore, either we pray fervently for our Pope, who has warned us the Devil and his attacks upon us, our church and the world more times than one can count….or Jesus was a liar. It’s that simple. I’d submit that we’d be wise to stand behind our parent and pray unceasingly. .

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  • Richard

    Ms. McKenna goes way out of her way to present a much more malicious picture of Cardinal Burke with this article than can be gleaned by reading his actual words. Vatican Insider has a good article about this which simply presents the text of his interview.

  • Taliesin

    The grave disorders of the sin of Sodomy is seen in the ER of every
    hospital that operates in even small cities with a large population of homosexuals. Natural Acts do not destroy whole body systems
    as a result of practicing them. ” Gay bowel Disease ” is one of the
    illnesses where multiple infections and repeated surgical interventions
    are common and painful.

  • Taliesin

    It is very easy and rewarding to know and practice the ” Corporal Works of Mercy. The rewards are easily felt and seen both by the person who does them and the person who is the recipient. The Spiritual Works of mercy are far more difficult to practice since they can cost one friends, family, jobs. etc. However if they are practiced with true Christian Charity they may be the cause of a person realizing that damnation is not something one wishes for oneself. If we would never choose it for ourselves it is imperitive we try to persuade others of the importance of repentance and atonement in their lives. For 50 years now, people have forgotten that Christ was very cognizant of sin as a destroyer of men and women and relentlessly
    exhorted those he taught, to go forth and sin no more. The Catholic Church has always taught that we must as Roman Catholics practice both.

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  • Mary

    No, Jesus Christ affirmed God’s law on homosexuality adultery & all sin, & that we must protect the innocent from corruption, that He was the New Covenant to fulfill the law. Christ stated marriage is a man and a woman, and that we should reject worldly culture. His apostles preached His word, in fact St Paul and others preached Christ’s teachings that homosexuality was a mortal sin and a rejection of God. Neither you nor Francis has the right or authority to eradicate God’s law which are the tenets of the faith. If you look at what Francis did to the once strong Catholic church in Argentina, destroying it’s seminaries and convents, inviting Marxists into churches, where they’d put their hands on the throats of faithful Catholics praying the rosary, making mockery of Christ’s crucifixion. Blessing same sex ‘marriages’, his handing over faithful priests & nuns to the Marxist Dirty War junta and the list goes on

  • Mary

    Who are the ‘everybody’ you speak of, Marxists, athieists, homosexual activists? All the faithful I know are concerned and offended by a so called pope preaching the opposite of Christ’s teachings.

  • Chuck Murphy

    Cardinal Ray is the latest in a long line of bureaucratic functionaries who generally serve about six years. He is ambitious, self-pitying and grandiose…note the cappae magnae of the last few years. Cardinal Ray is not a leader, but a simpering, wimpering carper. Me’thinks he’s well suited for his ceremonial job. He got where he is through the work of papal patrons. Now he’s got another, but he’ll still be sleeping on satin sheets.

  • Mary

    Marxism is an athiest ideology, and all communist socialist states have persecuted the Catholic faith, because Christ’s teachings instill conscience & a resistance to evil and corruption. If you read about the Soviet revolution, where tens of millions of Christians were killed, if you read about the Bolshevik’s 3 false famines in Ukraine and Russia, where upwards of 30 million Christians, including farmers were killed through genocidal starvation and slaughter for refusing to submit to collectivization, others killed in the gulags. Virtually all the Catholic churches in Russia were destroyed. The nazis (socialists), killed 8 million Christians in the camps, Mussolini’s fascists (socialists) killed many Catholics, Maoists and other Asian communists killed as many as 60 million, Castro, Guevara and other Latin American communists/socialists killed untold millions and still are to this day. All anyone has to do is examine the hateful, intolerant attacks against Catholics and all Christians by athieists, and it reveals the mindless rage of athieists towards Christ and the power of His teachings to break the shackles that long kept humanity in bondage to sin.

  • Mary

    You can say and believe what you like, I don’t fear you or your namecalling. Jesus Christ’s existence has been documented by Roman historians and politicians, a Roman playwrite, a Greek philosopher, and a Syrian of that era who was imprisoned and wrote of Christ to his son, and others. Like the pharisees, and I include those attempting to slander the good Cardinal Burke as pharisees, you can sling mud and scorn, all the mud in the world and can not taint the love of Christ in Burke’s intent. He is serving our Lord and his oath to fulfill the true obligations of Catholic holy orders, to bring people to Jesus Christ for salvation. I’ll pray that you repent and turn away from your sin and break the shackles that bind you, and make you so bitter and mean

  • Victory

    What a load of BS Jack, what the he^^ are you talking about or even suggesting. If your asinine comment is meant to suggest that Cardinal Burke is striking out at the pope because the pope is “cracking down on crime”. What color are is the sky in your world sir?

  • Victory

    Incorrect assessment, he’s not “boot licking” and that is very disrespectful of one of the few apparently faithful Cardinals in the world. There is a decorum, dignity, and respect for superiors in the Church even when they’re the of the ilk of bergoglio and the like. Until bergogio says something to create a fulll rupture or schism in the Church there is not much more Cd. Burke CAN say. Remember per Canon law the Pope, to be in heresy, must say specifically “the Church or my predecessors taught this truth but I tell you it’s NOT true (be it approval of homosexual activity, communion for divorced, etc) He has to actually say that, if he uses creative language it’s grey and not easy to pin down.

    Notice what Cardinal Burke DID say about the Synod, he said “why doesn’t the pope TELL US what his position is” and guess what,Bergoglio is a slick weasel who got to where he is precisely by being a weasel and creating documents without his name on them.
    So, like Vatican 2, nobody really knows who wrote it but..surprise, like Vatican 2, it’s now the de facto law of the church. So, Cardinal Burke waits and watches and I suspect he’ll raise his voice in the future at some point to say exactly WHEN bergoglio has crossed the line. At that point the formal rupture begins.

  • Bill Russell

    Ecclesiology 101

    Pope Benedict XVI himself said that the Holy Spirit does not choose any particular pope, for then He would have been responsible for the many defective popes in the Church’s history. Rather, once a pope is elected he is protected by the Holy Spirit through the “grace of state” from defining as dogma anything contrary to faith and moral. On prudential matters, pope can be wrong as many have been.

  • Danny

    Pope Francis is the Catholic version of Serpico, and those who are corrupt dont like him. Pope Francis wants the church to act like the bible teaches us, and those who have been in power with huge personal financial gain living in a life of luxury, just dont like it. And like so many today, they prefer the word of Christ that they create, not the ones that exist.

    Go Pope Francis.. Bring the Church back to Christ

  • cceniza

    Lot of church teaching are not followed by the faithful, like using birth control etc. and mind you there are lot of gay priest in the church. Then what is your problem Cardinal Raymond Burke? You can not even imposed it in your area.

  • Danny

    If you are Catholic and claim you dont have to follow the Pope when you disagree with him, then why have one? Why not do anything you wish? I can understand it if you are of another religion, but not if you are Catholic.

    Catechism of the Catholic Church defines the Pope as:

    The successor of St. Peter as Bishop of Rome and Supreme Pontiff of the universal Catholic Church. The pope exercises a primacy of authority as Vicar of Christ and shepherd of the whole Church; he receives the divine assistance promised by Christ to the Church when he defines infallibly a doctrine of faith or morals (880-882).

    The Pope is the eternal extension of Peter..

    According to Lumen Gentium Peter was the first in a line of leaders or Bishops. We call the head Bishop the Pope.The Roman Pontiff—The successor of St. Peter as the bishop of Rome and head of the Church on earth–has full and supreme authority over the universal Church in matters pertaining to faith and morals (teaching authority), discipline and government (jurisdictional authority). (Taken from Lumen Gentium)

  • Fr. Jack

    I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that negative criticism brings the worst out of fearful Catholics who cling to the heresy that “The Church” cannot change. These folks would have stoned St. Paul rather than accept his claim that Jesus appointed him as an Apostle to the infidel Gentiles. Make no mistake about it, Cdl. Burke is leading his followers into schism. He is the LeFebvre of the 21st century. Long live Pope Francis!

  • Rick Scott

    You’re right, Aged Parent. All we’ve been hearing from Cardinal Burke has been a humble acceptance of his demotion. In fact, we’ve been hearing humble acceptances from him several times a week via reporter interviews.

    Here’s a curious fact: Cardinal Burke has yet to receive notification of a demotion, his removal from the Vatican supreme court. Every tale of its impending arrival and his future assignment to the Knights of Malta has one source and one source only: Cardinal Burke.

    I’d say that’s quite some humility. He’s so humble he raced to the press to express his acceptance of this demotion in good spirit before it had even arrived. Since then, he has confined his comments to remarks about a rudderless church, a Pope bereft of leadership talent, and a confused laity. (Along with confirmations that his demotion, which he will humbly accept, is still in the wind.)

    It’s too bad that nobody ever told Cardinal Burke about the expression “No comment.” It would be useful in dealing with journalists interviewing for another story on the demotion controversy. A controversy which, as I say, he started two months ago. He’s probably too humble to dissemble like that. Thanks for pointing it out.

  • Rick Scott

    And if those two dates pass, TRK, and the world remains rolling along as it is now, will you abandon your End Of Times reporting? Or will you move the goal posts and declare a date further in the future the revised date under some adjustment to the calculation?

    I’d really like to hear your answer because, without it, I very much doubt your own confidence in the prophecy you’re delivering. How about it?

  • Joe

    Keep in mind that the hierarchy alone is not the church. In fact, the most Christ-like actions and attitudes are from the everyday followers of Jesus. No matter who is pope, and no matter who the opposition is to the pope, a sizeable number of Catholics follow their informed consciences, as we are taught to do. So, many, many divorced and remarried Catholics already receive communion, as they should. They do this with the knowledge of their pastors. Homosexuality is not a choice. Forced celibacy is not workable. Sexually active homosexuals should be welcome to the communion table. The Eucharist is food for the journey. It is not a reward for good behavior. Pope St. Pius X said that. Some of the commenters here I think find Jesus too soft for their liking. So Cardinal Burke can say what he wants, but the day to day practice of Catholicism for most will continue without reference to him. He is preaching to a relatively small choir, after all.

  • Joe

    Right on!

  • Bob8

    Speaking of mean, let’s look more closely at a nasty creature in that work of fiction commonly known as the bible. Mary’s sky fairy is a vengeful, murderous swine according to that book. Take a look at these direct quotes, and note the comments about context and interpretation too.

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    1 Timothy 2:11
    “Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.”

    Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don’t get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it’s in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god’s mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your “god” couldn’t come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken “out of context”, and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you’ve made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

  • Virginia

    Right on!!!7219

  • Bob8

    Mary, don’t you dare try playing the victim card after the murders by Christians over so many centuries. And now, when North America is so littered with your rubbish holy book, well, take a look at the awful guidance in it. Direct quotes, from both foul testaments:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    1 Timothy 2:11
    “Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.”

    Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don’t get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it’s in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god’s mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your “god” couldn’t come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken “out of context”, and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you’ve made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

  • inori

    There are so many good hearted and hardworking people around the glove that are gay and remarried.. and also deeply love god and Jesus Christ.. nobody is perfect .. all deserve a chance .. god and Jesus Christ see the love of all humans and they are the ones that decide on the end.

  • Diogenes

    @Bob, I’ve been following this whole thread and you are as guilty of ad hominem attacks as anyone; I note specifically, you calling Mary ‘stupid.’ Additionally, you and other atheists’ continually deny the very evident historical fact that Marxism/Leninism (as a philosophy guilty of more atrocities than any other in history) teaches as a cardinal tenet the non-existence of God; which by the way is the very definition of atheism. Only self deception or cognitive dissonance can account for your inability to see this. As Mark Twain would say, ‘Even a jury would have the penetration to see that.”

  • Cardinal Burke is pushing hard! I think too that he wants a schism in the Church! He was grooming himself for Peters chair, and he is not being obedient to the Holy Father.

  • Fr. Ernest

    He certainly wouldn’t have picked a closeted gay like Benedict!

  • Michael Macwan

    My mother, born and brought up in a convent by the nuns, after her unjust divorce could not receive the communion on regular basis. It would have been horrified her soul thanks to a Christ’s mercy conscious priest who ministered the sacrament of reconciliation and holy communion. Just a few days Pope Francis said, ‘if the law has no connection with mercy of God, it turns into hypocracy”. What Cardinal Burke does not realize is that given the consideration to the traditions and church laws, the purpose behind the laws is horribly forgotten.
    I see very clearly that Pope Francis’s approach would leave hypocrites baffled if they do not understand that holding onto the laws for the sake of laws is like limiting God’s power that has a great element of change and surprise. Hypocrites are not comfortable with surprises.
    The issue of gay justification, I partly agree and partly disagree with His Holiness Pope Francis. With all due respect I see that Pope Francis sees the homosexuals as victims who have for some psychological or emotional reason become homosexuals. In my humble opinion what I have seen is that there are also a huge margin of gays who have turned gays purely because their obsession and abnormal sex addictions that did not regard human virtues or morality which is without a doubt sinful and such homosexuals do not deserve Pope Francis’s welcome that is directed for those homosexuals who have been psychological victims or had natural inclination because they have no malice of lust. These type of homosexuals are surely a great danger in a catholic family with children..

  • Blue_Jesuit

    This is exactly what the devil wants i.e. divisions and cracks in the our church. I have lost my way for a very long time now and Pope Francis has given me hope and restored my faith in the Catholic Church. I have returned because of him… he reminds me exactly of what Jesus was like when he roamed the earth 2000 + years ago. Humility, love… and FORGIVENESS. At the end of the day, who are we to judge sinners except God. Pope Francis teaches us to love… to turn our cheeks… to forgive those who do not even apologize for their misgivings… to be humble.

    May Cardinal Raymond Burke find the light as I have.

  • PJ

    Father Gerald, How could the Synod be in the Holy Spirit, when the leader of the RCC had manipulated everything to push the homosexual agenda that the pope favoured and praised Cardinal Walter Gasper
    He selected those specially on panel, while he demoted Cardinal Burke

    However what about secret Freemasons that many in Vatican practice the 9th circle rite which is satanic, revelations book of life warns about and the Jesuits were involved with with the fallen Angles for power, look at the hand signals and the signs of satanic not of God who is Sovereign Christ head of Church, no man has authority or power

  • Debbie

    I find it strange that when one like Cardinal Burke takes a stand, and disagrees with the way a pope is handling a situation, or says our pope can’t change the teaching of Christ, that there are always those who question that person’s conversion to Christ. Popes disagree! To imply Cardinal Burke is somehow being disloyal to the Holy Spirit is merely a way to shut down any expression of legitimate concern he or others have about leaders’ viewpoints or actions. Cardinal Burke is being faithful to the truth as he–and many other Catholics–understand truth. If everything every pope said was from the Holy Spirit, how would we explain the contradictions between them? Does the Holy Spirit contradict Himself? Is He whimsical? This is just nonsense. How one handles Christmas dinner with a gay child and that gay child’s partner may be a matter of conscience that different Christians see differently; after all, we’re talking dinner and not sex, here. But a sinful act–sexual or not– is sin, and we all know what the word of God says about it. All sin is evil. Cardinal Burke has been quite right to point out that there is nothing intrinsically edifying, beneficial, or good about it, and those attempting to propagate such an idea that sin has some kind of value are the ones who had better wake up! I find Cardinal Burke’s restraint remarkable, to tell the truth, and I’m sorry that many more have not had the courage to stand for Christ as he has. On a final point, if I understand correctly, those who did propagate such ideas were not required to identify themselves–they did not have to say, in essence, “This idea is coming from me,” so anyone in any small group could submit any idea without taking personal responsibility for it. That is always dangerous and often destructive. We should (and I believe we do) know better, and should never structure something so important as an extraordinary synod on the family in such a way.

  • PJ

    Father Gerald, How could the Synod be in the Holy Spirit, when the leader of the RCC had manipulated everything to push the homosexual agenda that the pope favoured and praised Cardinal Walter Gasper
    He selected those specially on panel, while he demoted Cardinal Burke

    However what about secret Freemasons that many in Vatican practice the 9th circle rite which is satanic, revelations book of life warns about and the Jesuits were involved with the fallen Angles for power, look at the hand signals and the signs of satanic not of God who is Sovereign Christ head of Church, no man has authority or power

  • PJ

    I believe in Holy Scared Scripture and Book of life in Revelations word of God
    is clear especially noted in 10 Commandments
    We know that God sent His begotten son Jesus into His Universe to save us and He fulfilled the prophecy by dying on the Cross to redeem man and arisen from dead to give us eternal life before He went to His father in Heaven. He promised the Holy Spirit the helper to descend upon the apostle’s.
    Every prophecy was fulfilled there was no need for new Covenant, Christ said on the tree or Cross before he died it is done.
    We are saved by grace by believing and trusting in Jesus Christ
    The Sovereign Jesus Christ king of kings is head of Church all power and glory is to Him. November is last gospel of end of year is Christ the King.
    Those who worshipped two masters is warned about in Revelations It says we would know them by their fruits? The truth will set us free
    people can be deceived but their trust in Jesus Christ will be the victory.
    Mary mother of Jesus is blessed amongst women, but she is not Christ and the rosary is good to meditate on life of Jesus, pray to Michal Archangel urgent

  • PJ

    Father Jack your summery is incorrect because Cardinal Burke defended marriage and family while this current pope followed fallen angles agenda warned in revelations. Why not check Jesuits that are secret freemasons satanic rites and some in the Vatican are same included 9th circle rites they practice and Pope Francis does deceive a wolf in sheep clothing.
    God’s word does not change and not full of surprises. no one can have two masters either way it is commandments of God one chooses or Satan
    We are closer to second coming of Christ
    Catholics are not obliged to follow pope Francis’s agenda
    However Christ is head of Church and is Sovereign no man has power.

  • Peter

    I agree with you Fr. Christopher…To all who are mesmerized by the words of PF, kindly research the prophetic words of St. Francis of Assisi that in the last days “Christ will send not a true pastor but a destroyer” …and as forewarned by Mother Mary in Her message at Fatima a time will come and is Now that bishops will oppose bishops,cardinals will oppose cardinals and satan will reach the summit of the church (Papacy) this message was confirmed at the apparition of BVM at Akita Japan, watch and pray! even the very elects will be deceived according to the synoptic gospel.

  • Steve Kintgen

    Absolutely correct, we live in a time whereas people want their Mortal Sin to be accepted and approved by no other than the Catholic Church. The real point and underlying cause is to destroy the Church and that would be Lucifer’s dream come true. In other words destroy the bride of Christ.
    We know that we are to never to be obedient to Heresy and Apostasy, no matter who’s mouth it comes out of. Ambiguous language is the devils’ speak.

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  • Simplynotred

    ‘if the law has no connection with mercy of God, it turns into hypocracy” What a fooling selfish pope. To think that this has been for the past 2000 years the purpose of the laws of the Church. That he now must change what 2000 years has wrought. This pope doesn’t comprehend the damange that he is doing by shovelling Utopian Slogans about, without careful considerations as to what he is disposing of. Mercy has always been the prime Objective of the Church, if there was no mercy Christ would not have given his life, and God the father would not have allowed his Son to die so cruely.

    Turning the wisdom of the church out to satisfiy what a few human being FEEL is a injustice is in full a rejection of God’s mercy for the benefit of a few souls feeling good for a brief moment.

  • Simplynotred

    You create Scandal by not dealing with the Truth, the Life and the Way.

  • Simplynotred

    How about getting past you ancient pagan superstitions about lies deceit, falsehood, and nonsense. What you call so-called Modern is nothing but a Utopian lie set up to deceive many centered around the word “NEW.” When in fact everything you refer to is a Blast from the Past of Philosophies that had done noting more than make slaves out of millions; destroyed souls in all corners of the world, and has made Chaos out of what was once on it’s way of becoming a civilized world. You words have no connection with reality, only fleeting materialist tripe that never satisfies, and meaning that now is demonstrated in the growing number of hopeless, who only find suicide their prime solution. .

  • Bob8

    Mary, think harder and really consider the questions this time. This is an omnipotent being that you are claiming according to your idiotic fairy tale. Why can’t an all-powerful being do its saving without the whole silly Jesus on sticks hoopla. Furthermore, how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic, and ridiculous, and weak “god” that you’ve made for yourself there.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com

  • Sal

    Father
    With all due respect, yes Cardinals choose the Pope guided by the spirit. They don’t just vote like an election, they start with prayer, enter into prayer before voting, this is not just something done. Christ sent his Spirit to guide the Church hence the Magisterium. Magisterum says it all! The Holy Spirit guides the Cardinals electing the Pope.
    The Church doesn’t condemn anyone and the moment someone thinks they know better than the Church or better than the Vicar of Christ, we have a problem! It’s called Heresy, and to see a Priest side with this kind of talk is scary.
    Do you think God is not powerful enough to have sent his spirit to guide the conclave? Then we’d question God! But God is powerful enough and he sent his Spirit upon this, we have to trust in him. Once we do what the Cardinal is doing we step into scary grounds. We need to trust Christ and to see a Cardinal make these statements and now a Priest on this thread condone him and to deny the Holy Spirit working in the Conclave is scary.
    As a Seminarian to see this makes me iffy. All we can do is pray and trust God.

  • PJ

    Irene The Synod was manipulated by Pope Francis and many of the Fathers and people agree with Cardinal Burke who had courage to point out facts. The current pope is controlling, many think he is mad.

    Everyday he keeps rambling on like a God on to his self and it is making matters worst. Christ is the Head of the Church and Sovereign not any man or religious institution, questions need answered why is the pope a secret free mason and some others in Vatican the same and are satanic, the Jesuits had a terrible reputation in this regards.
    People read scripture and warning in revelations truth on word of God

    People have enough to worry about without this dominant pope.
    He has created worse crisis and wants only one religion in the world.

  • PJ

    Taliesin, Mercy was word used by the pope to push his agenda on homosexuals and their act. I understood he praised them and favoured Cardinal Gasper views on these matters including cohabitating straight couples. Mercy is usually about one sentenced to death in that context.
    There had being no repentance or sin wording in the Synod document.
    However a person ignoring these facts can condemn themselves.
    Commandments of God is very clear and in scripture and revelations, including catholic doctrine.

  • Ignatius

    Just to set the record straight he said ““like a ship without a helm.”
    How can we put any credence in a report that confuses even the most basic facts?

  • Ignatius

    Actually Cdl. Burke said “like a ship without a helm.” That’s very different from a rudder.

  • Ignatius

    We are sent into the world not to conform to the world but to convert the world from sin. We are all sinners, but we must not be encouraging people to continue in sin. That doesn’t convert them but gives them an excuse not to convert their lives.

  • Ignatius

    Amen brother, we are sent to convert the world, not to conform to the world’s values.

  • Ignatius

    Thank you for the clarification Fr. Christopher. We are to Teach all nations, it is no mercy to affirm someone in their sin.

  • PJ

    Mick O’Malley,
    I fully agree with you Mick and thank Cardinal Burke for his valid opinion.

  • TLM

    Um….the Vatican ll that gave us ‘Clown Masses’ and Priests consecrating chocolate chip cookies and kool aid for the children’s Masses? Oh and let’s not forget Liturgical Dance. The same Vatican ll that gave Priests the ‘go ahead’ to condone and even promote ABC and Sodomy? And the perversion of the Gospel indicating that Christ really didn’t perfome miracles, but the people did? That Vatican ll? The ‘Spirit’ of Vatican ll was the worst thing that has ever happened to the Church of Christ. BAR NONE!! Vatican ll gave us the ‘Protestantization’ of the Church that emptied out the pews of the Catholic Church and filled the Protestant Churches. And then after a while, they even stopped going to the Protestant Churches because actually, it was all about us and the here and now anyway. Besides that after Vatican ll they did away with Sin, and Hell and even Purgatory leaving only Heaven as EVERYONE’S destination no matter the state of your soul or even if you NEVER went to Church. Didn’t matter, because ya know……EVERYONE goes to Heaven.
    I think we could’ve very well due without THAT Vatican ll altogether.

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  • It appears many have forgotten Jesus’ words when the devil tempted Him “…get behind me Satan.. It appears that many commentators have chosen that they are have the answer to proclaim they know more than God’s word as revealed in the Scriptures. Their is no in between. You are either right or wrong, yes or no. Pride proceeds a fall!

  • Bob

    False. My statements do not rely, for example, on Mary’s stupidity, to make their points. Do try again though, once you understand logic better.

  • Fran

    Jehovah God is the Universal Sovereign and is Most High over all the earth (Psalm 83:18).

    Jesus is the son of Jehovah God (Matthew 3:17).

  • John Francis Collins

    Then it began to blow a great gale and the waves were breaking into the boat so that it was almost swamped.

    But he was in the stern, his head on the cushion, asleep.

    They woke him and said to him, ‘Master, do you not care? We are lost!’ And he woke up and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, ‘Quiet now! Be calm!’ And the wind dropped, and there followed a great calm.

    Then he said to them, ‘Why are you so frightened? Have you still no faith?
    Mk 4:37-40

    Cardinal Burke Why are you so frightened? Have you still no faith.

  • Ignatius

    You are misinformed. No one is prohibited from communion for divorce. If an annulment is obtained, then it is possible to contract a marriage again.

    You can get a Catechism for $4.00, This would clear up all of these misconceptions.

  • Ignatius

    @Michael Macwan,
    You are terribly misinformed. No one is prohibited from communion for divorce. In fact, if an annulment is obtained, then it is possible to contract a marriage again.

    You can get a Catechism for $4.00, This would clear up all of these misconceptions.

  • Iggy

    Ray Burke should exit gracefully (if he knows how to do such a thing )
    He is not relevant and could stand to go on a diet

  • Robert Gabriel

    Our sexual orientation is given to us by God at birth. Ask God why God created some straight, some gay….

    Gay sex is just another form of sexual contact.

  • Robert Gabriel

    I agree with you 100 percent

  • Iggy

    Hey Annette , Pope Francis is a Jesuit and they educate the most powerful people in the world . I think it is the other way around , the church is nothing without the power of the Society of Jesus . As my gay brothers say “Bye Felicia”
    AMDG

  • bunky

    Rude – less as in less rude yes, steerage provided by jesus who this pope clearly listens to. All the stupid verse chanting to what end? interpretation. period. I am so amused when I see this tactic and gloating bigots and isolationist racist sexist hater people who jesus merely pities. I think of a great american lay person who famously said. ” I pity the foos”

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  • rob

    @ bob
    Satan quoted scripture also,, just like you he misused scripture truth for his evil motives..
    all your doing is proving that your Satan’s little concubine..

    a communist with wrong motives quoting the constitution of the united states does he really fool those who have spent time studying it and reading it and believe what it says or does he just affirm he’s a communist..

  • Jeff Kevin

    Cardinal Burke is a traditionalist, as such he’s scared of change. His style is a ‘crash through’ approach to issues, a ‘take no prisoners’ sort of guy. But change is coming and the good cardinal, along with others who agree with him, have missed the boat (to stretch the analogy). Our beloved church is significantly relevant when it reaches out to everyone, especially the marginalised and in today’s Gospel readings we are encouraged to invite them to dinner. Can you imagine Christ sitting down to dinner with the divorced, with gays and a whole range of folk who are on the outer? I can. This is why Pope Francis is way ahead of Cardinal Burke, he understands the need to be relevant, he understands Gods loves us, pure and simple, and not just the privileged (I tempted to say ‘clergy’). The Church has been in need of a Francis from the moment Pope Paul VI ignored the advice of his ‘council(s)’ and banned contraception in that famous encyclical. That was the moment people disengaged from the church, many never to return. Man-made rules are meant to be challenged, to be debated, argued over but not shut down as Cardinal Burke would have it.

  • Blair

    Burke would have to be a republican.

  • PJ I am sure you meant to address your remarks to Father Gerard…
    That’s the only way it would make any sense…

  • Sal:
    In my part of the world (Australia) the Parliament is opened by a prayer. You have only to listen to what nonsense politicians speak to knock your contention on the head. A prayer is worthless unless the one ‘praying’ is genuine and earnest.
    The Holy Spirit elects the Pope … Get real. Don’t try and blame the Holy Spirit for electing some of the reprobates that have been elected in the Churches History
    I am sure the Holy Spirit would guide and direct the electors, but only if he has petition genuinely and sincerely.
    We get the Pope we deserve

  • Noel

    Very agreeable with you Fr. Chris. The Pope’s primarily role is supposedly preservation and protection of Catholic faith and doctrine. But he is seemingly not inclined to proclaim the truth and teaching on family, marriage and sexuality.

    He is instead inclined to create a picture of a caring mother who accepts everyone in the name of false mercy. The most merciful that the Pope can do is supposedly to proclaim and reaffirm the faith and doctrine in the name of salvation. Mercy is not condoning acts of sinfulness such as same sex marriage and adultery. In line manner, the most merciful that Cardinal Burke is trying to do is to correct what Pope Francis has omitted to do. He cannot afford not to speak out since our souls are heavily reliant on the truth and teaching of the Catholic church.

  • Wendell G.

    Time to trot out the capital letters. They always make the argument more convincing. At least to someone i guess.

  • Josh

    Oh get down off that crucifix, someone needs the wood.

  • Marcwolf

    Oh Rob – how easily do you fall into the trap of assigning all alternate views with Satan. As a Christian you are happy to pull out snippets and half verses to bolster your own viewpoint.. But when someone does the same to refute them then they must be of Satan.

    Lets put this simply. Cardinal Burke MUST obey the Pope. Failure to do so will essentially bring about another Catholic/Protestant rift. Which I am sure that is what the Cardinal wants so that the US and it’s core of evangelists and hate can do whatever they want.

  • Marcwolf

    I don;t think it is fear that the Pope has for Burke. Rather that the Pope is the Leader of the Church.. And Burke is trying to buck that and make his own rules and rulings.

    The Pope has tried to reason with him but Burke is insistence on his stance.. and so he had been demoted.

    I am sure in any organisation where a ’employee’ – no matter how gifted and talented turns to his ‘boss’ and say “I’m not going to do that. I’m not going to support that” will quickly find they are out!!!
    At least Burke still has a job…

  • Marcwolf

    Dear Cardinal Burke..
    Two small points about employments..

    1. Never piss on your bosses shoes.
    2. Don;t take boardroom decisions to the press in hope of sympathy.

  • Marcwolf

    Micheal – I do not know what race you are. But lets say that you were born black.. and the bible says that only the whites can be saves.. Or visa-versa.
    Can you imagine your angst and disillusionment at the Church for forcing that view in this day and age.
    Likewise for gay people. We are made that way by God. Not through choice but by God. And if that is so hard to believe then just look to a person of a different race and consider their choice to be of that race.

  • Joan

    Yawn…

  • Joan

    Yawn…

  • Father FJ

    As a catholic priest for many years I am totally stunned that Archbishop Burke would speak like this. But then again, it shouldn’t surprise me as he is quite the Pharisee among many Pharisees . Sadly, many (and I mean a plethora!) of the younger seminarians and newly ordained priests feel the same way he does- and it is pathetically and shockingly sad. It astounds me to see so many of these young men obsessed with “lace surplices” (laced this and laced that) , “birettas” , black chasubles and saying mass facing a wall. They see the Vatican Council II as the pivotal downfall of the church (albeit the work of Satan) – yet these fellows have never even read the documents of the Council themselves- nor did they live at that time of an exhilarating “refreshment” of vision for the church. Why countless seminarians and young priests today want to resurrect the church of the pre Vatican Council is beyond me. Who is running these seminaries? Why are they being ordained? Do they honestly think the person in the pew really cares about all this anachronistic piety? Not too long ago a young, newly ordained priest said in conversation with me: “This Pope has to go.” Sadly, he is alone in his warped thinking. If these are the kind of men we are ordaining- similar in fashion to Burke etc., we are headed for major trouble. Pope Francis is just the person we need at this time in history. He (and his vision for the contemporary church) is just what the person in the pew is welcoming!

  • Father FJ

    Correction: I meant to say towards the end of my comment re: a newly ordained priest: “…..sadly he is NOT alone in his warped thinking”

  • If the R.C. Church truly is “rudderless,” that’s an illusion caused by the fact that, as Pope Francis tries to tack in one direction, sanctimoniously-angry hyperconservative hierarchs keep yanking the boat of the Church back in another. If they didn’t want their Church to go in the direction Francis is steering it, then maybe they ought not to have elected him … ? Just a thought.

  • Marcelus

    Who? Crdl Burke and..who else? you are not going refering to the Ciudad del este Bishop and that luxurious German bishop?

    One thing has become clear.that the trads by comments like this are handing victory on a silver plate to the libs. quite easy.

    Twice the good Cardinal has spoken “against” his superior. Oh we will surely find lots of reasons and biblical justifications and so.

    Respectfully, I believe the traditionalists will not be ableto live under the same roof with PF and will go insto schism soon-

  • Marcelus

    definately uncharitable and uncatholic

  • Marcelus

    you either Love Peter as a true catholic or tolerate him as many trads unfortunately do

  • Marcelus

    excellent

  • Debbie

    Sal and Fr. Gerard, the Holy Spirit may be invoked in the conclave, just as he may be invoked in our lives. That does not guarantee that every decision, every choice, every direction the Church takes is now God’s choice for the Church, does it? If it does, then why did our former pope, now St. John Paul 2, publicly apologize for mistakes the Church has made in the past under the leadership of various popes? He was, in essence, apologizing for decisions made by other popes, wasn’t he? Or how about the inspired word of God where St. Paul opposed St. Peter, saying of our first pope: “When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?” Saints throughout history have been noted for admonishing popes and have been praised for it in retrospect. St. Catherine of Siena advised Gregory and reproved Urban (and Urban apparently took her correction!); so this mentality of never being able to have a different opinion than the current pope is ridiculous. And regarding Pope Francis, surely, you cannot be saying everything this pope says and does must always be in exact accord with what God says and does? Pope Francis himself, in one of his first public statements to the press said something akin to, “I am a sinner.” Yes, we all may invoke the help of the Holy Spirit, but that does not mean that we always listen to Him. It doesn’t mean we always obey Him. It doesn’t mean everything we think, do, say, and imagine is in accordance with the Spirit. The lives of popes, bishops, priests, and laymen throughout millennia have been proof enough of that.

  • Warsaw

    So, schism is not the worst thing that could happen as long as the trads don’t expect to be awarded any of the authority that the Church has now. It is the trads who are twisting themselves into a rage spiral about homosexuals and the Latin Mass, hurling names and vitriol about this elected Pope and the secular media. They really do not own dogma.

  • Wess

    So, padre, is he your Papa right or wrong!

  • Wess

    Well, Joe, if giving in to the sin of homosexuality is not a choice, why were Israelites commanded to be stoned for it in the Mosaic Law given by God? God doesn’t condemn the innocent. You can’t fool Bible students, Satan!

  • Dell Hanrahan

    Please have the common courtesy, if nothing else, to refer to the head of our church as “Pope Francis.” Who do you think you are to be so disrespectful of such a holy, wonderful and enlightened leader and follower of St. Peter?

  • Dell Hanrahan

    Ridiculous…

  • Dell Hanrahan

    You sound like a Puritan or Calvanist from the 1600s. Very sad, indeed, that you have such a negative ideology…

  • To Fr Ernest at 240 am 2/11/14

    Put up or shut up

  • Father FJ: What utter bull…..
    As one of those poor punters in the pews I am astounded that you are so far off the mark.
    You, who places so much stock in the documents of Vatican II, read this
    From Cardinal Kasper, patron saint of Modernist ( the synthesis of all heresy) who said this, printed in the Vatican Newspaper L’Osservatore Romano dated the 13thApril 2013
    ” In many instances the council Fathers had to find compromise formulas in which the position of the major are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to limit them. Thus the conciliar text themselves had a huge potential for conflict and open the door to selective reception in either direction”

    This, coming from the darling of the Modernist camp. So you who have hitched your star to a council that was ‘manipulated’ to the extent that it was, have only yourself to blame . The only one that would need to manipulate a council of the Church would be satan himself. Our Lord has no need to manipulate anything.
    Try this also From Pope Paul VI ( soon to be Saint Pope Paul VI) in 1971…
    ” I believed that after VII, a sunny day would dawn, but instead came a day of cloud, storms and darkness ”
    This is the same Holy Father that said soon after he promulgated the Novus Ordo Missea made his now famous statement that the ‘Smoke of satan’ had entered the sanctuary of the Church
    Paul also had this to say on the 60th anniversary of Fatima ( 13/10/77)…”

    “satan is functioning in the disintegration of the Catholic Church. The darkness of satan has entered and is spreading throughout the Church, even to its summit. Apostasy and the loss of the faith is spreading into the highest level within the Church”
    Cardinal Siri also said at the time ” If the Church were not divine, the 2nd Vatican council would have buried Her”

    So as a priest of the Church ( as you claim) do yourself a favour and investigate the veracity or otherwise of those comment, and then maybe you will cease to be part of the problem in the Church.
    Confusion reigns at the moment in the Church. The Holy spirit is not the author of confusion.

  • Careful Debbie, you will be accused of speaking good common sense…

  • Kevin

    Once again, the athiest is “cherry picking” verses to throw at us, from parts of the Bible that do not apply to us. You don’t have the Spirit of God, therefore, you cannot understand the Scriptures, so please stop annoying us with your irrelevant and mistaken arguments.

  • Rick:
    PAL @ Phillip etc… sounds fed up with what is coming from the Holy Father,
    as I am. And he has every reason to be upset.

    The Holy Father is only infallible when speaking ‘ex cathedra’, that is when he is speaking as the Vicar of Christ, the descendant of Peter, when he is occupying the Chair of Peter and only in matters dealing with faith and morals.
    In all others ways he is susceptible to error and YES heresy. People could fill these pages with his utterances that are very, very confusing and even outright heresy. Confusion is not a gift of the Holy spirit. So there you see, it is not so difficult to reconcile.
    We must continue to pray for the Holy Father

  • Kris:
    You accuse Cardinal Burke of being a darling of the Catholic Media.?????
    Better to be a darling of the Catholic Press than being the darling of the Secular, world press as the Holy Father is.
    The Holy Father as ‘Time’ magazine ‘man of the Year’….
    Being lauded by the likes of Obama and Elton John and having his picture sped out on the Homo sexual Snot rag is hardly to be commended.
    The great apostasy you speak of commenced with Vatican II and the new order of the mass.
    How’s this from Pope Saint John Paul II in 1981 only about 11 years after the introduction of the New Mass…
    ” We must admit realistically and with feelings of great pain, that Catholics in large measure feel lost , confused ,perplexed and even disappointed;
    Ideas apposed to the truth that has been revealed and always taught, are being scattered abroad in abundance;
    Heresies is in the full and proper sense of the word have been spread in the areas of dogma and morals ,creating doubt confusion and rebellions;
    The liturgy has been tampered with; immersed in an intellectual and moral relativism and therefor permissiveness, Catholic are tempted by atheism, agnosticism, vaguely moral enlightenment and by a sociological Christianity devoid of defined dogma and or objective morality”

    It is heartening to have a Cardinal that has the balls to stand up to the Modernist/liberals in the Church that are attempting to tear down the Church.
    Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Pell are two that are trying to keep Her upright.
    To you I say… WAKE UP

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  • Servant

    Cardinal Burke’s “boss” is Our Lord Jesus Christ. He is remaining faithful to Him.

  • warsaw

    Never a disease. A “syndrome” named but never accepted by the medical authorities. Now obsolete, considered incorrect and derogatory and meaningless. You really should raise your sights from the lower parts of gay men. And what of gay women? Tell us of the dangers of their “Sodomy.” You must be a man.

  • warsaw

    I love it when Catholics argue amongst themselves. So many high horses prance out proclaiming their superior learning. So many Catholic high school grads acting like the departed nuns and priests who taught them so long ago. So many attitudes and dead prose styles; so many attempts to remember scriptural phraseology and to crank out authentic sounding sentences. All the seminary dropouts calling out all the heretics who don’t practice anymore. All the veiled homosexual hatred. It’s really funny to watch.

  • Ben in Oakland

    Now that’s pretty funny. The all knowing and all powerful god allowed a bad pope to be his vicar on earth.

    ” when the latter is a grave sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance! ” Ah, yes. Then elevation of a minor sin at best into the One True Sin (TM).

    funny how your particular, peculiar version of god seems to bless every country that is accepting of gay people, while every one that doesn’t is a hell hole.

  • warsaw

    So hostile… You’ll never get anywhere with that pompous angry-face. Fr. FJ meant you when he mentioned anachronistic piety.

  • Ben in Oakland

    You’re just making this up.

    I feel fine.

  • Ben in Oakland

    Ignorance and slander. nothing more.

  • Ben in Oakland

    Actually, what brought us into the dark ages was Christianity. what brought us out of it was contact with the arab world.

  • Ben in Oakland

    The church isn’t rudderless. It has a rudder. Unfortunately, this Prince of the Church doesn’t like where the ship is going.

  • Ben in Oakland

    A Catholic Priest, besides the pope, with a brain and a heart.

  • Shawnie5

    There were never any “dark ages.” That’s an idea from outdated high school history books, not something real historians talk about. Progress continued as usual throughout the Middle Ages, in ways that actually benefitted the common people for a change.

    Sure the elite went ape over all things Greek after the Crusades–they had stopped using Greek in favor of the vernacular languages long before so “Greek stuff” was suddenly cool again. That didn’t bring Europe out of any “dark ages” but I’ll tell you what contact with the arab world DID bring about, however. That was a resurgence in slavery after it had lain dead in Christian Europe for centuries.

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  • Catholic Beliver

    It is sad to see how you all are talking about Papa Francis. Although I am not a Roman Catholic, I love and admire Pope Francis’s attitude towards all God’s Children. Papa Francis opened my heart with so much desire love others as Jesus loved us. I am very sure if he was an european man then, it would be no problem for many of you here with his teachings and praxis of the Catholic faith.
    Well, after all, it is your decision and please respect this man of God who has worked hard for the Lord and continues to do so…

  • Catholic Beliver

    I agree with you %100

  • Rick Scott

    Geoff: You present a reasoned response to my comment. I want you to know I respect that.

    I understand that some, maybe even many, Catholics are upset with this Pope’s approach to his office. My remark to PAL @Phillip was made because it seems to me his comments were beyond upset. He expresses a wish that ISIS will find Pope Francis and that “his life will be short.” More than that, it’s his daily prayer. I think we both know how ISIS deals with their enemies. That’s what he prays for daily.

    Please don’t fold this sick individual into a group of those dissatisfied with the current Pope. If he really prays daily as he says he does, creating that mental picture of ISIS killing Francis, he needs individual attention, and help. The old-time morals books had a name for that mind set. It was called morose delectation. And it was not a good thing.

  • George Burns Jr

    I have read that Jesus taught us to love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. This is the summation of the law. It seems to me that this is Pope Francis’ direction. I don’t understand why you are all arguing. I don’t think the church is rudderless, His message is love. inclusion,acceptance: Christian

  • Pedro M. Lleo

    We, the church, the people of God must tell Cardinal Burke to “SHUT – UP!” and retire.

  • Rick: I agree, some of comments made be PAL were over the top, but a lot of what he said, I think, was rhetorical, to get a point across. The essence of what he is saying is that the Holy Father (Francis I) is prone to making very confusing comments. and that leads to frustration and that is very evident in PAL comments.
    Unless you have some prior experience of PAL that I don’t have, all I see is someone extremely confused and frustrated with what is coming the Holy Fathers mouth.
    The Holy Father must take some of the blame for that confusion and frustration. If only he would speak with a lot more clarity….. Some of the things he has said, to my mind, have in fact been heretical.
    Any ten people would have 10 different spins on his comments.

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  • What this cardinal is really saying is that he doesn’t like the direction the current pope is steering the church.

    So he is deceiving himself and others…. doing the work of Lucifer.

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  • Sarah

    The propaganda being spewed by the false prophets is that gay marriage should be accepted by all. Can a TRUE Christian accept homosexuality? The answer is no. Those who identify themselves with the true God Jehovah and his son, Jesus Christ know full well that their beliefs would be unpopular in the time of the end because Jesus said it would be so! Matthew 5:10. That’s why Christians would be persecuted on account of their righteous standing. I urge any who are part of the Catholic church to “get out of her” as Revelation 18:4-8 says because Jehovah, the God of the Bible will not put up with those who claim to represent him, spitting on his righteous laws; he will crush any so called godly organization that sides with the worlds unclean views. Yes, if you truly belong to Jehovah God you will reject the ideas of the world and side with him and his son Jesus Christ. And your reward for listening to the good news? Everlasting life on earth and a chance to see your dead loved ones resurrected, while the wicked with no godly devotion see permanent death (represented symbolically by eternal fire in the Bible). Which would you rather have? http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/good-news-from-god/who-is-god/

  • Ron

    This so called “cardinal” is a total jerk. It is my sincere hope he rots in hell.
    When he gets to the gates of heaven, St. Peter will have a few choice words for him; as he will say to him: “Sorry Cardinal, you have been demoted.” Proceed to the gates of hell.

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  • Those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and shed His blood to wash mankind clean, before a Holy God, need to get away of organized religions. Religion is manmade, therefore fallible. Read the Bible, see what the inspired Word of God says about the churches. A cradle Catholic myself, this was very hard to swallow, but with the help of Holy Spirit, I can see. God bless you in your journey to Truth

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  • William Van Duzen

    He is the worst pope ever. I do not think he is catholic in his mind. Is there a way to get him out of there. He imprisons those who disagree with him like Cardinal Burk. My question, is there a way to remove him

  • Scrpwq Wsadyt

    The Cardinal will soon be demoted to alter boy, and sent to Ireland to clean toilets for the poor.

  • Scrpwq Wsadyt

    “Gay Bowel Disease” is what resides in the turgid, moist undergarments of Taliesin and his gang of anti-popes. So rancid are his thoughts, that even Satan himself will not dare download the aching bladder stench of Taliesin and the raging pinnacle of putrefication.

  • Scrpwq Wsadyt

    Actually they just like Judy Garland, what’s so sinful about that? Maybe you just saw too many of those Carol Channing shows?

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  • If there ever was a cardinal who should be demoted to being a janitor Burke is it. Let’s hope that the Pope steps up and does it.

  • Jim

    So much info.”who am I to judge”. Dont we have to at some point take a stance on what we believe is right and what is wrong. Not what is the easiest way to go. If something is wrong should we not stand against it. Isn’t it our Christian duty to want to lead others to Christ. I believe clearly that homosexuality is sinful. This doesn’t mean I am passing judgement in a way that I condemned. This will be done on the last day. However I can’t say its ok if I believe its not. If we dont have some sort of judgment then what is wrong abd what is right. We know in our hearts the truth. Harden not your hearts. I wonder how many that feel homosexuality is ok also feel a woman’s choice is ok. We must have a stance. There is nothin Satin would love more then to destroy the Christian faith. We need to choose where we stand and be willing to be judged for that. If we have belief and we turkey seek the truth we will know Christ voice.

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  • 11001100110

    Maybe he’ll be the last pope and the world can move on! The church is a time capsule and to me, and I respect other’s opinions, it needs to either get current in its thinking or leave the world alone and let people evolve spiritually by themselves the way we are design to do it!

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  • Lori

    SO GLAD HE IS NOT IN SAINT LOUIS ANYMORE!

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