Archbishop Justin Welby: ‘There is a possibility that we will not hold together’

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Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby supported legislation that allowed women to be ordained bishops in the Church of England.

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Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby supported legislation that allowed women to be ordained bishops in the Church of England.

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CANTERBURY, England (RNS) Welby said that although individual churches remain "strong, resilient and thriving," the differences among them remain profound.

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  • Jay

    “The issue that’s splitting us is not just sexuality,” he added. “It is how attached to the Bible’s teachings do we intend to be.”

    It will be a fascinating sight when babylon the great falls.

  • Joseph

    I think the more progressive forms of Anglicanism have the best chance of continuing into the 21st century and benefiting from modern insights into sexuality and sociology while at the same time preserving the ethos of the tradition, “catholic,” Christian Church.

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  • EvenEzer

    2 Timothy 3 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
    1 But you should know this, that in the last days hard times will come. 2 And people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disloyal to their people, rejecters of grace, wicked, 3 Slanderers, captives to desire, cruel, haters of the good, 4 Traitors, impulsive, arrogant, loving lust more than the love of God, 5 Who have a form of God-worship and are far from his power; remove from you those who are such. 6 For some of them are these who crawl house to house and capture women buried in sins and are led to various lusts, 7 Who are always learning and are never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 But just as Jannes and Jambres arose against Moses, in this way also they have withstood the truth, persons who corrupt their minds and are rejected from faith. 9 But they will not proceed to their advancement, for their madness is known to every person, just as theirs was also known.

  • Byron

    The issues that are splitting folks is their refusal to love like Jesus loved.

    One can make all the justifications and rationalizations he/she wants, but it comes down to will we love each other.

  • Victor

    Except that many of the modern “insights” are wrong. Too many are ideologically driven .

  • Wow, the death of what was once a rather large ‘church’. Then, can we not expect those ‘churches’ that stray from the Teaching and the Laws of God to fall into ruin and strife?

    The thriving churches of Africa and Asia would be wise to cut off the degenerate whores of the West who seek to pervert the teachings of the Almighty. The West is poisonous until it ceases to be the world’s seat of iniquity.

    “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.”

    – Isaiah 5:20

  • Henry

    What many consider “modern” and “progressive” is the very thing putting the church at risk. It is least likely to survive.

  • I beleive C. S. Lewis predicted this would come to pass over sixty years ago. He even wrote a piece on it, “Priestesses in the Church?”, whose warning was apparently forgotten. A pity, really. The ‘tolerance’ in the name of Christ is simple PC conformity that continues to water down the faith. And the faithful will be fed; if not at this Church, then at another.

  • As a member of the Church, I will not accept perversion or watering down of the Word in the name of Political Correctness. “Heaven and Earth will pass away, and my words will not pass away.” I try to love the person as Christ commanded – that is, as I love myself. But He has not said I am required to condone what they do, or pretend that it is anything but ugliness, a perversion of a good thing. I am tempted to many wretched and evil things, but nothing in Christ’s teaching suggests I am EVER to simply ‘tolerate’ my own failure to resist those temptations. To do so would be to tread the road to Hell.

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  • Byron

    Any split is about “us”, not God.

    It feels better when we can believe that God wills division, but who wants to divide Christ? It’s not God, it’s us.

  • Hellsgift2u

    A house that is divided within itself shall fall, for you cannot have to masters, for you will love one and hate the other.

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  • peerson

    Do you think so? All the evidence is against you. The churches that have made these very liberal changes are falling apart at the seams. The Episcopals have lost a thrird of their members, and another third stays beause they have been in the church all their life.

    Your statement runs counter to every bit of available evidence.

  • peerson

    Hilarious! Church leader of a church founded on the bible:

    “We don’t know if we should follow the bible or not”

    The perfect plan for ending the church!

  • Tim

    Well, to be fair the quote came from one “side” of these divisions, and the characterization of the nature of the differences was polemical/partisan at best. The “other side” would no doubt dispute that and insist that the main issue was more like how to interpret the Bible, how to develop doctrine in relation to a changing world, or some such thing.

  • Sarahbinh

    The great difference between the camps here is not how attached we are to the Bible’s teachings, but what we believe the Bible teaches. Our differences are as much a matter of hermeneutics than anything else. To suggest, as Thomas implies, that conservatives (folks who ate anti women’s ordination and an anti-LGBTQ ordination) wish to follow the Bibles teachings while progressives do not is both silly and blind. At hand is what the bible teaches and how we believe we are to be (re)formed by reading it interpreting it and putting our interpretations into practice. On that score there are massive differences indeed.

  • Leo

    The Bible condemns all forms of lust, primarily heterosexual lust. Those who scapegoat homosexual lust to distract from their own sins will be judged by the Lord, who knows all. Those who believe homosexuals cannot love are just stupid.

    Studies are beginning to clearly demonstrate the correlation between those who hate homosexuals, and homosexuals people who hate themselves.

    God hates no one. Those who pretend otherwise have some learning to do.

  • DeaconJohnM.Bresnahan

    One theme of this article is completely erroneous. That is that it gives the impression it is the orthodox Anglican churches (like those in Africa) which are causing the Anglican break-up.
    But that is not so.
    It is the Anglican churches which are tossing the Bible and Tradition out the window which are fracturing the Anglican Church. It is European churches which ordain women–and don’t care how they fracture the church in doing so. It is European churches which have become promoters of homosexual practices against the Bible and Tradition which are also fracturing the churches.

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  • Alan

    If a church stands for nothing; it will fall for anything.

  • Glenda

    You probably actually think that is clever…

  • It is sad to see the Church of England as I knew it as a lad and choir boy descend into the abyss of divisions and yet more schisms.

    Now, as an aging man and a simple follower of Yashua Messiah and who has studied The Holy Scriptures for over thirty years I fail to see the relevance of any organised religion. Tell me, if you can, where the salvation is in religion.

    Even the heathen Mahatma Ghandi said: “God has no religion” and he was right.

    “Come out of her my people and be not partakers of her sins and her plagues.”