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This blog's readership is nearly one-half female. So why are 90% of the comments from men?

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This blog's readership is nearly one-half female. So why are 90% of the comments from men?

This blog's readership is nearly one-half female. So why are 90% of the comments from men?

This blog’s readership is nearly one-half female. So why are 90% of the comments from men?

Recently when I was doing my year-end reporting on this blog’s growth, I stumbled across a fact I had  somehow forgotten: according to Google Analytics, which knows every detail of what we ate for breakfast, nearly half of this blog’s readers are women.

See the chart above for the gender breakdown, which puts my readership at about 46% female and 54% male.

So why is it that 90% of the comments on this blog come from men?

Scroll through the comments on nearly any post, particularly ones that deal with political or social issues, and you’ll see men everywhere — mostly Mormons, mostly arguing.

Many of these comments are interesting and constructive; some have pointed me to sources or other articles I wouldn’t have known about otherwise. Some have taken me to task in an intelligent fashion. And some, of course, are trash, as is typical of the Interwebs.

As a Mormon feminist, it would be tempting to point to this huge disparity between who is lurking and who is commenting and say, “See! In our church culture men are taught that there is nothing more important than their voices. And this same culture tells women, both in policy and in custom, that their voices are less welcome and valuable.”

There is undoubtedly a kernel of truth there, but blaming Mormon culture for this would not tell anything close to the whole story.

That’s because the phenomenon of men dominating online conversations is Internet-wide, and not specific to this site or the Mormon bloggernacle. It’s not just about us or our little religion.

Last year, the New York Times undertook an ambitious study to examine gender disparity in blog comments in various areas of its site. Over a six-month period, researchers tracked commenters’ gender (as far as that could be established by the first names they used), registering nearly a million comments overall. They found that:

  • Women were responsible for only 25% of the comments throughout the entire site, though women are 44% of New York Times readers
  • Women provided the majority of comments only in the sections of the site devoted to weddings, aging, parenting, dining, and fashion
  • Though rarer, women’s comments received “recommendations” up to 39% more often than men’s

The Times concluded that, sadly,

. . . the views that are heard do not fairly reflect the views that are held. This would be bad enough if it were confined to the New York Times websitewhich has a digital readership of 1.1 million, given that online comments can change minds.

But I think its broader implications are more troubling. It seems unlikely that women are rare in my data due to some misogynistic idiosyncrasy of the New York Times comment pages . . . . It seems much more plausible that women are rare because of broader social forces. Studies show that women are less inclined to speak up even in childhoodstudies of women’s participation on online forums find broad signs of inequality.

In the Mormon example I think the disparity in commenters’ gender — not just here but on some other Mormon sites as well — is especially troubling. That’s because in the LDS Church, women lack an “official” space in which they can make their voices heard on important issues, and have their comments matter when decisions are considered and made. If the online world were Utopia, gender would be irrelevant and women could claim a “room of their own” in which other readers, including some who are in church leadership positions, would have to listen to them just to follow the overall conversation.

Ideally, online interactions would, as one study has suggested, stand “in contrast to patterns of male dominance traditionally observed in face-to-face communication.”

In the “real” virtual world in which we live, however, that’s yet to happen.

  • Michael

    Maybe 90% aren’t men, but only present themselves as such.

  • Kwog

    I think it’s also because women are often the ones doing the second shift: working and parenting/domestic labor, or even SAHM. I know very few SAHM who have time to comment on the blogs they read while breastfeeding/bottle feeding/whatever with the kids. I’m a caregiver and I’m responding only because the baby is asleep and i want to speak up as a woman.
    Additionally, I dislike arguing on the Internet, especially against men who are privileged and entitled. There are many of those, often who are regulars on blogs. You have a few awful ones, unfortunately, that just won’t quit. Men are used to hearing that their voice and opinion matter, and as you said, that gives them a majority online presence. And there’s a lot of truth to what you said about LDS: many of those men (and women) take it as a personal task to argue their religion online. Likely it’s the martyr complex and the idea that nothing negative should be said about the church where nonbelievers can see.

  • Tammy

    In a world that still values a woman’s appearance over her opinions, and especially on threads related to a religion that values a woman’s role (among adults) as passively cooperative rather than actively influencing, it is not surprising at all that men dominate the discussion. And I personally know a handful of women who post comments using a male avatar/user name. In order to be taken seriously. In 2015. Really. We have so far to go. Thanks for doing your part, Jana, particularly given your (what I perceive to be) constraints.

  • Sandy

    I’ve commented on your site a handful of times, when I want to communicate something to you in response to an article and have been met with some harsh critical responses from male commenters on response. I enjoy online discussion and debate, at times, but generally don’t have the time to engage other commenters (like Kwog said, I work, and when I’m not at work I’m parenting, and when I’m not at work or parenting I’m flopped on my couch watching TV or reading a book), and, frankly, am not interested in engaging a certain, prevalent type of male commenter who insists on making me defend positions that are only tangential to the main point in my comment. I’m far more likely to participate in private email or FB groups or on female-dominated websites where people are having conversations I’m interested in having and I don’t feel like I’m betting my head against an irritating, anonymous wall.

  • Hedgehog

    [Comment vanished into the ether, or possibly in a spam queue, since I omitted to confirm I wasn’t a robot. That must be new since I last commented. It wouldn’t take a straightforward re-post on account of duplication apparently. You can ignore comment, if it is indeed in the spam queue, as it is repeated below.]

    How do they know?
    I’m a woman, but I typically comment from the family computer, though admittedly not often. and normally when I’m logged out of google.
    I can’t remember whether I’ve told google I’m a man or a woman (if it was required I would have done so, but I don’t volunteer information registering for those things), though they might take a guess I suppose. Occasionally I share your posts privately on google.

  • TomW

    I’m not particularly surprised by the results, but I would provide a different rationale than what has been put forth.

    As was noted from the New York Times comparison, the difference is unlikely related to any kind of church culture, as the phenomenon is far more universal except in areas of particularly keen female interest: “weddings, aging, parenting, dining, and fashion.”

    I disagree that the LDS church culture teaches men “that there is nothing more important than their voices,” or that women are taught that “their voices are less welcome and valuable.”

    As a male Latter-day Saint, my nearly half-century personal experience in the church culture does not register a single recollection of an incident where I was instructed that my voice as a male was of the highest importance. In my more limited exposure to the Young Women’s program of the church, where I have participated in Girls Camps for the past 7 years, I cannot recall a single instance where the young women were taught that “their voices are less welcome and valuable.” What I have absolutely heard, directed to all Latter-day Saints across the board, is that we should all make our voices heard and engage in the global community. I see our young women taught to share the gospel with friends, to defend the teachings of the gospel both from scripture and from personal testimony, and to be a light unto all.

    Jana, you posit “that women are rare because of broader social forces.” I would counter with my own suspicion that the powerful forces involved are deeply embedded in our respective genders themselves. The LDS Family Proclamation teaches, “Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.” As such, I can’t help but think that the general male tendency to engage in matters of controversy (politics, religion, etc.), and the general female tendency to avoid confrontation, to sympathize/empathize with others, and be peacemakers, are quite hardwired into our souls.

    When it comes to discussions of important issues within the church, you’re probably going to end up with more comments from the activist side of the spectrum than the mainstream, simply because the passion of activism tends to be less concerned with keeping the peace than it is with achieving one’s objective. To the extent that female LDS voices are silent on important issues, I think it is because one needn’t be filled with activist passion to maintain a status quo which one is already largely content with, and perhaps many feel it is best to stay out of the fray and do one’s best to maintain bonds of sisterhood than risk relationships engaging those who choose to agitate against the status quo.

    In the category of “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction,” I think there are some women in the church who are emerging to respond to the activist side of the spectrum, i.e. Mormon Women Stand arising in response to Ordain Women. And between those who have passion for either of those sides, there is likely to be much more commentary. But outside of that dynamic, I don’t really expect to see any substantive change to the overall demographics of who tends to post on various message boards. In my opinion, gender differences of this nature are largely ingrained in our souls and are subject to only minimal manipulation by social forces.

    On the bright side, Jana, I only get one more response on this thread, which has got to help your ratios somehow! 🙂

    Happy New Year!

  • Tammy

    Tom, ludicrous. I know as many women who are confrontational as I know men who are peacemakers. Gender stereotypes are hogwash and serve only to limit us all.

    Furthermore, brevity is your friend. If you learn the art of self-editing, you will be more successful communicating perhaps even influencing, even when your ideas… such as gender stereotypes… are hogwash.

  • Rune

    LOL at the guy commenting at a length as long as the next three female posters combined to say he hasn’t been trained to talk.

  • Sandy

    “As such, I can’t help but think that the general male tendency to engage in matters of controversy (politics, religion, etc.), and the general female tendency to avoid confrontation, to sympathize/empathize with others, and be peacemakers, are quite hardwired into our souls.”

    This is just completely contrary to my experience as a woman who enjoys nothing more than a rigorous conversation about politics or theology. In fact, most of the outspoken activists that I know through my practice as a lawyer are women. Also, I think that a tendency to sympathize/empathize is largely irrelevant to having an interest in “controversial” issues. I agree that many women do seem to have a natural gift for empathy, though I question whether that’s a God-given or learned, but highly empathetic individuals are often the most passionate about their causes.

    Side note: if you think that traditionally male dominated online spheres like politics are more controversial than traditionally female dominated online spheres such are parenting, or than women are less likely than men to get up in arms about such matters, then you clearly haven’t spent any time interacting with women in parenting forums, mom-blogs, or other hotbeds of internet rage.

  • Sandy

    LOL at the guy commenting that my disinclination to comment on Jana’s religion blog (as much as I enjoy reading!) is “largely ingrained in [my] soul.”

    LOL at the guy assuming that the only way a woman could be taught that her voice matters less than a man’s is if somebody literally tells her, “your voice matters less than a man’s.”

  • Emily U

    Fascinating stuff, Jana. I’ll try to up my game and comment more.

  • TomW, your example of attending Girls Camp strikes me as an odd one, since it undermines your overall point that women’s voices are considered to be just as important as men’s in the LDS Church. If equality were truly the case, women and girls would be permitted to hold Girls Camp without men’s presence being required, as it is “at all times . . . to provide support and protection” during overnight activities. A priesthood presence is required also for women to hold any kind of meeting in the church building.

    Women do not have a voice in any of the major decisions that are made at the general level, as is made clear in Chieko Okazaki and Aileen Clyde’s notes that the Relief Society general presidency wasn’t even consulted when the Proclamation on the Family was being drafted. The Proclamation on the Family! And women’s role in any deliberations at the ward and stake level is strictly in an advisory capacity, and strictly at the sufferance of male leaders.

    Given those realities, it’s awfully hard to make a tenable case for women’s voices being just as important and seriously regarded as men’s in the Church.

    Also, I am not the author of the quote that “women are rare because of broader social forces,” though I do agree with the basic idea. You can follow the link provided if you want to see the original source in the NYT.

  • Bless you, Emily!

  • Rachel

    I am more likely to comment at FemMoHo’s and Segullah and Exponent than at sites like T&S and BCC. I never feel welcome commenting at either of those sites but I’m not sure that’s gender–it seems like they are for regulars only. I comment here every once in a while.

    I do think it’s curious that in many cases we’ve self selected as a Mormon community into gendered sites. Do other religious groups have sites for Catholic Men and other sites for Catholic Women, for example?

  • Rachel, great question. I don’t know how it is for many Catholic sites, but I do know some about the evangelical sites I follow. Some years ago, Christianity Today created the group blog her.meneutics specifically for women, who write all the content and, as far as I can tell, do the vast majority of commenting.


  • B

    Google (and other services) are really pretty good at figuring out your demographics based on what sites you visit, cookies, etc. You can see what Google thinks about you here: https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads

  • This is interesting especially considering the cultural assumption that women talk more and “gossip” more than men…

  • Lora S

    I can remember vividly being told almost verbatim that my words didn’t matter. Unfortunately it was by a very good friend who was preparing for his mission with another friend. I was studying with them. A mission had always been a dear dream for me even if I would have to wait much longer than my male friends. Being told not to talk so much because it wasn’t like I was going to serve a mission before I got married really hurt. I’ve come back to the church now. But being told your voice doesn’t matter as much can be literally spoken to you but it can also be in other ways that are just as hurtful. This needs to change and it’s going to be one on one I think. That’s why I go to church and why I’m trying to teach my son to respect everyone. It isn’t easy. But my voice does matter.

  • Sharee

    Maybe men have ore time to waste commenting on blogs than women do.

  • OldJen


    “That you will let your voices be heard, we cannot, we cannot meet our destiny as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in preparing this world for the 2nd coming of the Savior of the world without the support and the faith and the strength of the women of this church. We need you. We need your voices. They need to be heard. They need to be heard in your community, in your neighborhoods, they need to be heard within the ward council or the branch council. Now don’t talk too much in those council meetings, just straighten the brethren out quickly and move the work on. We are building the kingdom of God.”
    -Russell M. Ballard

    Now you have.

  • Emmy

    It’s interesting to note that a large body of research indicates that men offer more comments and talk longer than women both in professional settings and in the classroom, from elementary school to college.


    I’ll try to up my ante with regard to how often I comment on articles I read.

  • EmJen

    I wonder if it has to do with the idea that Mormon women, or at least most of the Mormon women I know, are very good at bowing their heads and promoting a demure false humility (or feeling like it’s a real humility, but acting out the part regardless). I see it in Sunday School all the time. In fact, one female teacher begins each and every lesson on some variation of “I’m not smart enough to teach this stuff.” She even brought out John Bytheway’s “Isaiah for Airheads” as an example of a book “that even I can understand” to begin her lesson on Isaiah. The other SS teacher, also female, is of an older generation and perpetuates the idea that women can give personal answers but not smart ones. She said just recently that “all the engineers in the room might know this, so that means you women don’t have to worry about answering this one.”

    And yes, I did call her out on that.

  • Delina

    I don’t comment often though I am an avid reader of many blogs, mainly because I don’t feel driven to post redundant comments. If someone has already expressed my opinion on the subject I will be silent. I imagine I am not alone in this, though I don’t think it’s a tendency that is particularly tied to the fact that I am a woman.

  • Gwen


  • Tina


    I am sure it wasn’t intentional, but somehow you managed to prove so many things with your post. It comes across as the perfect example of true Mansplaining.

    As a female Latter-day Saint, my nearly half-century personal experience in the church culture, and as someone who has served in basically every leadership position open to women, on both ward and stake level, trust me when I say – gender inequality within the church is alive and well! I can’t tell you all the countless of times I have either cried because of how I, or my fellow sisters (even my two, now grown daughters) have been spoken to or treated. Several times I have had to get mad to make very good, but clueless men to wake up and quit treating me like a fragile, but stupid, china doll. I am not part of the OW, but Kate Kelly sure spoke the truth when she said: “Inequality is not a feeling”.

    Please understand that you, as a man, really have NO CLUE what it’s like to be a woman within such an incredibly patriarchal structure, a culture I am convinced has been created by fallible men. It needs to change, or we are bound to lose many of our young women in the church!

    If you are a man with any kind of leadership calling within the church, I URGE you to educate yourself. May I recommend you start by reading Neylan McBain’s excellent book “Women at church”. It is not in any way controversial. She, a faithful member of the church, gives examples of what can be done within the existing structure, based on the guidelines in our handbooks. She also gives many real life, painful examples of how women have been treated, and continues to be treated, balanced with some good examples of leaders, who have come to realize that their attitude toward the women under their stewardship, needs to be altered. It is a book I wish would be mandatory reading for every bishop or Stake President!

    If you truly want to learn, please start by humbling your heart, understand that you don’t really know, and then just listen and open your eyes. See how many men sit up on stage compared to women on a regular Sunday. See how many minutes men will speak, compared to women. Listen to the difference in what they say. See how much more attention the YM get compared to the YW (if you’re at it, you may also want to look at their budgets). Compare the activities; boys playing basketball or out doing, fun (even crazy) stuff, while the girls sit through yet another lesson on how not to tempt the poor boys. I could go on, and on, and on….

    I have no intention of “shaming” you. I just want you to understand!

  • Tina

    PS: just now saw that Neylan McBain will be interviewed about her book, on NPR:s Radio West (Doug Fabrizio) tomorrow at 11 am MST. Go listen! If you can’t get it on your radio, you can find it later in the day online.

  • Nobody Important

    I’ve been noting the length and prevalence of male vs female speakers at church for a couple years now. It’s pretty evenly split, with a slight preference for female speakers both among adults and youth.

  • EmmelineB

    “As a male Latter-day Saint, my nearly half-century personal experience in the church culture does not register a single recollection of an incident where I was instructed that my voice as a male was of the highest importance.”

    Well, you certainly picked up that lesson somewhere, TomW. Blah, blah, blah.

  • Jesse

    God talks to men more in the LDS church, at least in telling them how to run the church. Women never recieve instruction that would involve the entire church, according to what we are taught in church. Women are never apostles, prophets, bishops…. it seems pretty clear who has the more influential voices, according to doctrine. Heavenly Mother has no voice to speak of…That’s as good as being taught.

    Besides which, that women who even have the guts to ask if this may not indeed be the best and Godliest way, like Kate Kelly….are kicked out, thereby losing any voice they may have had.
    Hoping for improvement…

  • Tina

    Why, that is interesting! That sure isn’t my experience. And I have been in many wards, on two different continents. Who usually gives the closing talk? How many women do that where you are?
    Personally, I was taught that as a woman I need to be careful to not come across as too preachy, as preaching is a priesthood duty.

  • Wayne Dequer


    Although I often disagree with you even while being a life-long Democrat, I find your articles interesting, thoughtful and often worth comment. However, could it be your particular brand of LDS feminism simply does Not as effectively speak to as many LDS women as you might have hoped? While there is much overlap in skills, I find women generally a bit more linguistically oriented than men. I remember many regular non-LDS female commenter on Joanna Brooks’ column at Religion Dispatches. Finally, while not statistically significant, although my Facebook account reaches significantly more men then women, posts by women clearly predominate.

  • LRC

    TomW says: ‘I disagree that the LDS church culture teaches men “that there is nothing more important than their voices,” or that women are taught that “their voices are less welcome and valuable.”’

    And yet we speak to and about women and men using very different language patterns.

    Take a look at the different ways the church set up curriculum for teenagers, and it’s quite obvious: Male teachers are guided to look back on their own experiences, female teachers are guided to seek others’ experiences; lessons for and about boys are filled with active verbs and activities that relate specifically to them taking immediate, present action; lessons for and about girls are filled with passive verbs and activities that encourage them not to act now, but to prepare for some future time when their actions will affect those around them (husbands, children) more than themselves.

    Culture is deeply instilled, so much so that we might not even recognize it in the air we breathe every day.

  • Nobody Important

    In my experience, in two wards/states, that’s how it’s been. I obviously don’t know about everywhere. In my ward now, women have been slightly more likely to give the closing (and longest) talk than men. Frankly, it doesn’t matter. It could be overwhelmingly men or overwhelmingly women and the purpose and importance of church wouldn’t change.

  • Nobody Important

    Now you have what? I’m not sure exactly what TomW meant, but this seems to be in agreement with what TomW has said here and previously, and the excellent counsel applies to men as well.

    We can certainly use more men and women speaking up for righteousness in the world.
    We need everyone to participate in ward and church councils, but like Elder Ballard said- the meetings are for action, not speaking for speaking’s sake. (I was once in a ward council where the bishop bluntly stated at the end “This meeting has been a colossal waste of time,” because we had spent far too much time talking about issues than solving them)

  • Nobody Important

    White-washing the Kate Kelly story doesn’t change the facts. A man would have been excommunicated for the same thing.

  • Amy

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that there are no, “Dear Dad on the iphone” or Julie B. Beck quotes focused on shaming fathers who read blogs rather than fingerpainting.

  • Hedgehog

    That was interesting. Seems to be a bit of a mish mash of the whole family, or at least myself and my daughter with a bit of husband thrown in. Anyway, it has my gender and age correct, even if some of my interests are a puzzle.

  • AmyC

    Hi Jana,

    I disagree strongly with your statement: “A priesthood presence is required also for women to hold any kind of meeting in the church building.”

    In my experience, RS meetings rarely have a priesthood presence. Only a few times of the year does my branch president attend Sunday’s RS meeting. Also, I don’t believe I’ve ever attended any additional RS meetings (Enrichment) and seen a priesthood holder there. And when I’ve been involved in RS presidency meetings, the branch president was never invited.


  • JessR

    “Now don’t talk too much in those council meetings, just straighten the brethren out quickly and move the work on. We are building the kingdom of God.”

    ~Russell M. Ballard

    Apparently if I as a woman talk too much, I am holding back the work of building the kingdom of God. Elder Ballard literally is telling women not to talk too much.

  • Jan

    I have never commented on any blog before. I think one has to decide how much time one can dedicate to the Internet, and while I enjoy reading a number of blogs I have never felt that reading the comments is very productive. The few times I have, I have felt I’ve just endured a middle school drama.

  • Nobody Important

    Read the quote again.

    Yes. Talking too much (and doing too little), by definition, prevents good works and progress from being done. It doesn’t matter if you’re a man or a woman.

    Some like to pretend that this one sentence somehow undoes everything else Elder Ballard said in that paragraph, that sermon, or the hundreds of others he’s given.

  • Hopeful

    Hmmm. I seem to remember Elder Ballard saying that women’s voices were important in a supportive role, but “not to assume a role that is not yours.” Women’s voices needed to be heard, he said, but women needed to remember their place and not “talk too much in those council meetings.” It seems clear to me that women’s voices are welcome to a point.

  • Great point, Amy.

  • SL

    Every stake I’ve been in over the past decade had a rule that there had to be a priesthood holder in the building during all activities. They didn’t necessarily have to attend the activity or meeting, but they had to be on the premises. Mileage will vary according to the dictates of your stake president.

  • Catherine Agnes

    A note to people who don’t believe that male voices are more valued in the church than female voices:

    If we don’t place higher value on male voices than female voices in the church, then how does one explain the poster for the Europe Area women’s meeting, advertising 3 male speakers? And how does one explain the church statement that they just hadn’t chosen the female speakers yet?

  • LRC

    Maybe he needs to tell the men to not “talk too much in those council meetings” instead. Then perhaps there would be room for the women’s voices. The men’s voices would still be “welcome to a point.”

  • Amy

    Not to mention, who is hanging photos of the RS general board in their seminary classroom?

    Anyone who believes that women’s voices are not less valued is in cuckoo land.

  • Linora

    We can make our voices heard in many ways. Thanks for the reminder that comments do matter. I look forward to hearing from Heavenly mother, most of all.

  • Years ago I suggested, as the bishop of my ward, that we open the stake and ward website options (when the option was given to the stake president to use or not use same) to our members. My request was roundly denied with the explanation that we didn’t have enough manpower to monitor the sites. I suggested the scouts could do it as part of the computing merit badge, but was still denied. I was disappointed, even frustrated, but I accepted the final decision and went on my way.

    This notion that women in the Church don’t have an official space to voice their concerns is silly. They have as much as any member of any ward anywhere. That a final decision may rest with someone who holds the priesthood is not a valid argument because as the bishop, I held the priesthood and was still denied a request I thought worthy.

    Besides, Jana, you are one of the more prolific and known bloggers and you voice your opinion every week. That more men than women comment on your blogs only matches society in general, but this should not be a cause for great concern. My wife, frankly, doesn’t even read you blog. Don’t know why. But that’s the way it is. On the other hand, when she has something important to say in Church, she is no slacker in voicing her thoughts and opinions. Often they are heard, often they are dismissed. In the end, does it matter? She spoke, maybe someone listened, maybe someone didn’t. But she is secure enough with herself that it really doesn’t matter; she has no axe to grind, no political agenda to promote.

  • Jack

    I’m not a Mormon, but as in all things, the answer involves each side sticking up for the other and not itself. The men should be quick to defend the women’s perspective and the women should be quick to defend the men’s vantage point.

    Men being pig-headed and in stubborn, proud denial, and women being whiny and critical, is a collective recipe not just for stasis, but for eventual disaster in any religious grouping.

    There is no substitute for one putting the other first.

  • God Is Pooh Bear

    *Laughing at the person who suggests women post as men online.* LOLOL. No, women don’t really do that. But MEN sure as heck do.

    In the NSA world of spy and conquer, I don’t know why anyone says anything, really. Even this.

  • Nobody Important

    “Maybe he needs to tell the men…”

    It amazes me that you think he hasn’t. Go listen or read any council meeting training, and almost all mention, either directly or indirectly, what Elder Ballard is saying here- that council meetings are ultimately for action, not just talking. I’ve been told, both individually and part of a council, that we’ve talked too much and done too little.

    Of course, acknowledging this fact (and it is a fact) would force feminists to put down another weapon they’ve been brandishing so proudly on these threads.

  • Nobody Important

    Besides pictures of Christ, and possibly prophets and apostles, what other people are being hung in seminary classrooms?

  • Nobody Important

    I can personally think of several reasons far more likely and far less divisive. If you’d like me to share, feel free to ask.

  • Hopeful

    So do I Linora, so do I. I pray for that day with every prayer.

  • hannah

    We’re tired. We have a lot to do. Division of labor is a myth 😉
    But under that issue, is a meatier one: we’ve been indoctrinated with keeping silent. Not speaking up. Even. Especially. About religious things or in the setting of things connected to our faith.
    It’s not a surprising statistic. . .