Miami archbishop warns employees against supporting gay marriage, even in a tweet

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Miami Archbishop Thomas G. Wenski celebrates Mass on Dec. 16, 2013 in the chapel at the Notre Dame Grand Seminary in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Photo by Tom Tracy, courtesy of Catholic News Service

Miami Archbishop Thomas G. Wenski celebrates Mass on Dec. 16, 2013 in the chapel at the Notre Dame Grand Seminary in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Photo by Tom Tracy, courtesy of Catholic News Service

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(RNS) Miami Archbishop Thomas Wenski sent a memo to all church employees reiterating that any expressions of support for gay marriage could cost them their jobs.

  • Frank

    It’s about time they took a stand. Homosexuality will never be combatable with Christianity.

  • Frank

    It is “combatable” but should have read “compatible”

  • John LeMond

    Charlie Hebdo

  • Marco Luxe

    It’s sad when the Archbishop so openly flouts the teachings of the Catechism. I think that’s called heresy.

    2333 Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity.2358 [Homosexuals] must be ACCEPTED with RESPECT, COMPASSION, and SENSITIVITY. EVERY SIGN of UNJUST DISCRIMINATION in their regard SHOULD BE AVOIDED. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives.

  • Marco Luxe

    The Archbishop is on legal quicksand If he wants to enforce the handbook, he better be prepared to litigate Catholic morality in court. That would be unwise after the pedophile scandals and cover ups demonstrated the vagaries of Catholic morality.

    I suggest all non-religious employees test the Archbishop’s legal position. They can expect a huge settlement.

  • Larry

    No. You were right the first time.

    Nothing like punishing “thought crimes” and “heresy” to get people to respect the Catholic Church. I guess burning at the stake was no longer an option.

  • Frank

    The bible trumps anything else. Try again.

  • Frank

    Better to stand up for Gods truth and lose money then lose your soul.

  • Frank

    They are both correct.

  • Karla

    It’s great so many in church are taking a stand against sexual immorality but
    what about some other sins like getting drunk? So many today only want to
    talk about/focus on gay marrriage and/or abortion which are both wrong but
    so is getting drunk! Ephesians 5:18 says don’t get drunk and the Bible also
    says in 1 Corinthians 6:10 all drunkards go to hell. The wine that Jesus made
    was from the fruit if the vine/new wine/diluted and it was made for a symbolic
    reason not to get drunk. John 2:10 says the cheap wine was brought out last
    so the best for last refers to poorer/watered down wine. The Bible also says
    don’t get drunk on strong wine/don’t get drunk with wine for it’s debauchery
    so all of the people who are still gettin drunk with strong wine are also wrong!
    Bible says taking the Lords name in vain is also a sin that needs confronted.
    Being mean/rude and all the people who still don’t bridle their sharp tongue, gossip,gamble,are jealous,covet/are greedy,have pride and are still having
    premarital sex of any kind need to be confronted as well. We all must Repent!

  • Ben in oakland

    Who was talking about the intolerant Gaystapo that wants to punish people for their opposition to gay people, who claims that we are suppressing free speech in order to force our views on innocent christians, and on and on and on?


    Projection. You won’t find it just in movie theaters.

  • Ben in oakland

    Karla, beating up on gay people os easier and more fun, and costs absolutely nothing.

    Thank you.

  • Karla

    Ben in oakland-I’m sorry that you seem to get picked on and singled out
    because 1 Corinthians 6:9-12 lists drunkards,swindlers,thieves,idolaters,
    slanderers,adulterers/the sexually immoral,coveters/the greedy right with
    homosexuals so we need to talk about all sin not just abortion and/or the
    homosexuals. All sin is wrong/needs to be confronted. We all must Repent!

  • Karla,

    “Slay the infidels wherever you find them” – (Surah 9:3)

    You know such Muslims are talking about Christians, right?
    If your holy book is true thanks to ‘your faith’ – then their book must be true also because of ‘their faith’ , right?

    If your faith validates your religion, you must allow the muslims and the others to have their religion too.

    And if that means killing infidels, well – I guess, you figure everyone must accept it. Surely, you are not going to suggest that Muslim faith is less strong than yours!?

    That is the price you pay for lecturing the world
    about the truth of your bible. It is a ticket to the world of insanity.

  • Tom

    2333 is interesting. I guess it isnt referring to orientation, but rather to acknowledging ones self as a sexual being?
    I suggest that the Archbishop would argue that he has not flouted the Catechism, on the grounds that the discrimination has not been unjust.

  • Tom

    Karla youre right. But I guess there are less Catholics promoting drunkenness on social media, so it’s less of an issue?

  • Karla

    Tom-Amen/very well said! Thanks for backing me up. God bless.

  • Earold D Gunter

    Freudian slip?

  • Earold D Gunter

    Frank, Does that include reality?

  • Ben in Oakland

    Of course he would say that. “Unjust discrimination” versus “just discrimination” provides you with a loophole you could drive a cathedral though.

    that’s why I prefer to call it JUST discrimination.

    Nothing more, nothing better, and nothing less.

  • “Whatever the role in which you serve within the Archdiocese, you publicly represent the Catholic Church and the Archdiocese in everything you do and say,” – Archbishop Wenski

    Totalitarianist nonsense.
    And Religion can’t survive without it.

    He knows it. Despicable.

  • Jamie


    “Totalitarianist nonsense. And Religion can’t survive without it” – Many companies, especially those with high public profile, require similar commitments from employees.

    The Church is finally starting to clamp down on dissent…and those who oppose her teachings should feel free to leave.

  • Bob

    A little dishonest editing of the Catechism. 2333 falls under the section entitled, “Male and Female He created them” and is entirely about marriage between a man and a woman. I have also given the entire context for 2358 below.

    “2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.” (2333)
    2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
    2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity.”

  • Jamie,

    “Many companies…require similar commitments from employees.”

    So Jesus likes to operate like a company now? Catholicism, Inc.
    Obey the Boss or else – especially our prejudice against homosexuals.

    I thought companies were not allowed to hire bigots regarding sexual orientation?

    I guess its only okay for tax free organizations who specialize in ‘piety’ and ‘humility’.

    Sinister nonsense.

  • Allan W

    Marco, I was hoping you would explain your dishonest use of the Catechism instead of trying another tactic.

  • Billysees


    With the help of the Spirit of God and Paul’s own writings, we are encouraged to think about things with a new attitude. That Spirit is responsible for generating a new belief, acceptance and understanding about LGBT’s.

    Here’s why —

    1. …our knowledge is partial and incomplete…
    2. …we see things imperfectly…
    3. All that I know now is partial and incomplete…
    (1 Corinthians 13:9,12)

    Those three points are exactly the reason it is necessary to judge and evaluate a matter based on all reasonable, ‘current’ attitudes, experiences and knowledge.

    The above is also the evidence needed to show that in his narratives, there is no infallibility or accuracy or approval. Opinions are always available for interpretation.

    We must continually observe the ‘positives’ and ‘greatness’ that LGBT’s bring into God’s creation.

  • Billysees

    Don’t lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your own good example……..1 Peter 5:3

    That’s exactly the reason why this church representative has failed to be mature and responsible.

    “There are no great men in the pulpits today”……Bruce Barton, author of ‘The Man Nobody Knows’.

  • Billysees,

    “We must continually observe the ‘positives’ and ‘greatness’ that LGBT’s bring into God’s creation.”

    Too bad God never said that. Even once.

    You are so much better than god, Billysees.
    Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

  • Irene

    You know, Archdiocesan employees who speak out in support of their gay friends and family could make that same statement. (Though I dont think they should have to risk their jobs to speak truth)

  • Karla

    Billysees-We are to love people yes but in Truth! The do not judge
    verse gets misused/taken out of context today. We are all to judge
    between rght and wrong/not continue in our sins. We must read all
    of the Bible not part. Read 1 Corinthians 5 and 6 whole chapters
    plus Luke 13 also Romans 1:18-32. We are to love all people but
    not endorse their sin. Bible says to Repent! We all must Repent!

  • Doc Anthony

    I’ve read the Catechism too, and I also saw that phrase “UNJUST discrimination.” That’s not the same phrase as “ANY discrimination whatsover.”

    The latter is what the gay activists always preach (especially when they’re preaching in favor of gay marriage), but the former is what the Catholics (outside of Pope Francis) preach.

    Gay marriage is just plain wrong biblically, so Christians must necessarily “discriminate” against such behavior. Such discrimination is not what the Catechism is asking its readers to “avoid.”

  • Doc Anthony

    And that’s the truth right there. I agree.

  • Doc Anthony

    (I agree with Frank, that is.)

  • Doc Anthony

    New Mexico. Oregon. Vermont. Washington. Houston (but the Christians pastors were able to fight back on that one).

    In each of these places, Christians have been subjected to gay bullying tactics worthy of the phrase “gay gestapo.” Indeed, punishing or attempting to punish ordinary people for their opposition to gay marriage. Ben apparently approves of this trend.

    (Some people, like anti-religious comedian Bill Maher, prefer the phrase “Gay Mafia” — and no, he wasn’t making a joke about it. He was serious.)

  • Frank

    It’s not a slip if I say it’s true. Try and keep up.

  • Frank

    Especially reality. When will you join it?

  • Frank

    If they say that they are not speaking the truth.

  • Dudley Beecham

    Further evidence that religion started when the first con man met the first fool.

  • Dudley Beecham

    Don’t you think that Mr. Archbishop should clean up his own stables before attacking the civil rights and affectional orientation of others?

  • Karla

    Dudley Beecham- Read Romans 1:18-32 and also Psalm 14:1.
    The Bible is the Word of God and God/Jesus are very,very real.

  • Earold D Gunter

    It is a slip if you didn’t intend it. Try and be honest.

  • Earold D Gunter

    When it doesn’t include how you believe.

  • Larry

    Too bad none of those instances were suppression of speech or civil liberties. Its amazing how badly you have to lie to cough up incidents where American Christians are allegedly being silenced.

    Instead you had business owners who mistakenly believed they had a right to engage in malicious discrimination and you have pastors who are material fact witnesses in a case involving legislative process.

    Since marriage equality is not legal in Florida, the archbishop is asking employees to ignore the laws of the land and not to mention them in public. Pretty weak position for an employer.

  • Frank

    It was a miscorrected typo nothing more. After I saw it I realized that it also fit.

    Feeling desperate are you?

  • Frank

    Our own sinful nature does not exempt us from loving others by calling sin what it is or by observing a truth in our world.

  • Frank

    What I believe is not relevant. The truth of God doesn’t require mine or anyones confirmation to be true. I hope your eyes finally get opened one day.

  • Michele

    <140 characters: "B/c I 'publicly represent the … Archdiocese in everything [I] do & say,' I have no ct on the recent changes to marriage law."

    I would be happy for any Archdiocesan employee who is inclined to do so to tweet the above in lieu of any more direct comment on Florida's marriage equality.

  • Larry

    Because holding opinions concerning the civil laws of the state is apparently a threat to the church.

  • Larry

    “Since marriage equality is not legal in Florida”

    Since marriage equality is NOW legal in Florida.

    “My kingdom for an edit function!”
    -Richard III

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  • Fr Mark, OSB

    You are correct. This isn’t about what is right or wrong, it is much more about control, which is why the Holy Father is selecting “pastoral” men as the new bishops, and thinning the herd with guys like Burke.

  • Fr Mark, OSB

    Frank, are you a formally trained theologian, or are your simply trying to impress people with your sanctimonious attitude? I’m simply curious – perhaps you can get a job with the Curia.

  • Frank

    Homosexual behavior is sinful. There is no love in condoning, accepting, affirming, celebrating or remaining silent over sinful behavior. That’s what hate looks like.

    And I hope you see the irony in your comment for your own sake.

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  • Dr P Brookes

    Whatever one thinks, no religion has the right to demand observance of its moral precepts from those who do not accept or believe its teachings, that is a basic human right which you in the US have enshrined in your Constitution . The separation of Church /religion and State is part of your legal system and is normative, for us in Europe this separation is taking place.In the light of the appalling murders in Paris the legal right of people to free speech will become one of the corner-stones of freedom, Christianity and that includes Catholicism has to lead by example and tolerance, it is time that the bully-boy tactics of certain heirarchs were challenged . Pope Francis is at least allwoing honest discussion and disagreement. Your Archbishop should be very careful about limiting honest discussion and free thought, he has rights and responsibilities especailly for employees who are not church members which include the word JUSTICE!

  • Garson Abuita

    The archbishop is on very solid legal ground. Speaking very generally, anti-discrimination laws do not apply to churches. It could come down to the type of employee — priest as opposed to janitor — for example. Either way, if you’re an archdiocesan employee, I wouldn’t tweet your support of SSM and go out and buy a boat at this point.

  • ben in oakland

    because you can always see so clearly the speck in someone else’s eye through the forest of logs in your own.

  • Sally Atwater

    Simple question Archbishop. What would Jesus do? I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t flip through your handy dandy handbook to find the answer. This is really disappointing and so embarrassing to Catholics around the globe. To see a man of faith (an Archbishop no less) speak and preach this way. Cost them their jobs if they support gay marriage? WOW! I’m pretty sure whatever handbook they are reading is a far cry from the real teachings of Jesus. Time to go back to the basics Thomas Wenski. Be good to people. Accepting. Loving. Hopefully the new Pope will weigh in here.