Lawmaker aims to rid Utah bars of ‘Zion Curtains’ despite Mormon opposition

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(Reuters) State Rep. Kraig Powell sought to remove the barriers in 2013 and 2014. But his proposals have failed to win enough support in the face of resistance from the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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  • There seems to be little respect for the Establishment Clause in Utah.

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  • Karla

    Ephesians 5:18 says don’t get drunk and 1 Corinthians 6:10 says that all
    drunkards go to hell including people who get drunk on strong wine cause
    all the wine Jesus made was made for a symbolic reason not to get drunk
    plus it was new wine//made from the fruit of the vine and diluted. John 2:10
    says that the cheap wine was brought out last so the best for last refers to
    poorer/watered down diluted wine plus the Bible also says don’t get drunk
    on strong wine/don’t get drunk with wine for it is debauchery so the people
    who still get drunk with wine are also wrong/go to hell. We all must Repent!

  • Dan the Mormon

    Leges Sine Moribus Vanae – Horace.

  • Karla

    They should also do some Bible studying because you do not need a
    book of mormon or Joseph Smith just Jesus plus no true prophet can
    be revered if they are a liar and Jospeh Smith was a proven liar with
    all of the “spirit bride” nonsense when there is no sex in heaven and
    everything else he lied about. Bible says even if a/an angel appears
    to you and preaches something different don’t listen. This angel was
    not from God but a demon posin as an angel of light to fool Mr. Smith.

    Jesus said before Abraham I Am proving that He was not created so
    the birth of He/Jesus was a miracle not a creation! Emmanuel means
    God with us so Jesus was God with us plus the Bible says…if anyone
    comes to you preaching another/different Gospel that person will be
    eternally condemned so a mormon is eternally condemned because
    they preach/teach a different Gospel. Works do not save any of us!
    Only Repenting and then trusting in Jesus Christ can save any of us.
    Bible says Repent/believe the Gospel to be saved. We must Repent!

  • hoffbegone

    Your misrepresentation of scripture is typical. 1 Cor 6:10 does not say anything about Hell:

    “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Just because one does not inherit the Kingdom of God does not mean one goes to Hell.

  • Karla

    hoffbegone-I’m not misrepresenting Scripture! Revelation 20:10 and also
    Revelation 20:14-15 plus Matthew 25:46 all say hell is real/eternal. If they
    don’t go to heaven they go to hell. Read all the Bible not part. Hell is real.
    Matthew 13:42 also says hell is a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    Do you think if all we do is sleep God would’ve warned us about hell and
    gone to the Cross plus Jesus said hell is real so all of the people who say
    there is no hell are calling God/Jesus a liar which is not a real/very smart
    thing to do. Bible says it’s better to lose your eye and cut off of your hand
    than to go to hell so if the don’t inherit heaven they all then will go to hell.

  • cragman

    Just FYI, this poll also showed Mormons favor taking down the Zion curtain by a 52-39% margin. This thing is being sustained by ultraconservative politicians, not the LDS population.

  • Karla

    Luke 13 says we are known by our fruit. That fruit is of a Repentance not
    good works cause many non-believers do good works. We must Repent!

  • CMR

    @Karla- To answer the question whether Jesus drank wine or grape juice, lets look at the scriptures.
    After passing the unleavened bread, Jesus took a cup, “offered thanks and gave it to [the apostles], and they all drank out of it.” Jesus explained: “This means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many.” (Mark 14:23, 24) What was in the cup? Fermented wine, not unfermented grape juice. When the Scriptures refer to wine, the unfermented juice of the grape is not what is meant. For instance, fermented wine, not grape juice, would burst “old wineskins,” as Jesus said. And Christ’s enemies charged that he was “given to drinking wine.” That would have been a meaningless accusation if the wine were mere grape juice. (Matthew 9:17; 11:19) Wine was drunk during the Passover observance, and Christ used it when instituting the Memorial of his death. Red grape wine undoubtedly was the kind Jesus used when instituting the Memorial. It was therefore on the table when Jesus celebrated the Passover the last time with his apostles and was conveniently used by him in instituting the Memorial of his death. The red “blood of grapes” was a fitting representation of Jesus’ own sacrificial blood. On that occasion Jesus spoke of such wine as “this product of the vine,” and since it was perhaps seven months after the grape harvest, there can be no question but that it was fermented juice of the vine.—Ge 49:11; Mt 26:18, 27-29.

  • Karla

    CMR-I agree that it was wine but it was a diluted/poorer/watered down wine as
    I said because if they had already been drinking all day/drunk Jesus would not
    make a strong wine so they could continue to get even more drunk so the wine
    was not a grape juice but it was a new wine/from the fruit of the vine/diluted but
    thank you for all of the feedback and the input. I really appreciate it. God bless.

  • Larry

    The LDS still has trouble with the whole prohibition on establishment or religion in government. Never respected it before. Still doesn’t. Freedom of religion is supposed to mean that no faith gets to dictate their beliefs under color of law.

    There is no actual point to these liquor laws except a church flexing its political muscles.

  • lau

    So the LDS thinks it’s better to have drink preparation out of sight where bar tenders could be spitting into people’s drinks rather than admit that adults may choose to have a social drink.

    I suspect things will go better for the LDS one day when they enter the 21st century. Of course it will probably only take them another 200 years to do that.

  • Dave Green

    Hope to see you in hell! Should I bring the bottle or will you?

  • Karla

    The Bible says not to subtract from it or you go to hell so the people who
    teach there is no hell go to hell because of that teaching! Ironic. If people
    don’t inherit/enter the kingdom of heaven that means that they go to hell.

  • Karla

    Dave Green-You are loved by Christ. I hope that you Repent so that you
    don’t go to hell. God/Jesus want you to go to/be in heaven and I do too so
    read a/the Bible/get to know God/Jesus/Repent so you don’t end up in hell.
    Bible says Repent and believe the Gospel to be saved! We all must Repent!

  • Jay

    Karla, you really need to question some of the fundamentals of what youre taught and reason from the scriptures instead of just citing passages willy nilly in order to back up your beliefs.

    The bible says, “FAITH WITHOUT WORKS, is dead” James 2:26, 2:17, 2:20, 2:18. And yet you say works means nothing??

    If people are going to either heaven or hell, Why does the bible REPEATEDLY say in VARIOUS locations, that “The meek shall inherit the earth” Various Psalms. And even Jesus said it in the sermon on the mount Matthew 5:5

    Also, Why did Jesus weep over Lazarus. Since he was loved by Jesus wouldnt he have told his family to rejoice since he wouldve been in heaven? And furthermore did Jesus yank Lazarus OUT of heaven when he died? That would be pretty cruel dont you think? It seems you read but without accurate understanding.

    You’re always tell people to read the whole bible. Its seems you’ve skipped quite a few parts yourself.

  • Karla

    Jay- I’ve read those parts. You are takin [as many others do] verses
    out of context. Yes we are to do works but works don’t save/only the
    people who Repent/trust in Christ can be saved. Luke 13 says for us
    to Repent or perish! He wept over Lazarus because they were friends
    so that shows He was fully man yet had the fullness of God upon Him
    to do miracles/fulfill prophecy according to the will of the Trinity. Many
    die and go to heaven today then come back to tell us people that it is
    real. Some have even died and gone to hell which is also it/the
    Bible describes hell in Mathew 13:42 as a place of weeping and a/also
    a place of gnashing of teeth. If people were just sleeping they wouldn’t
    weep or gnash their teeth. God died so we don’t have to go to hell so a
    person needs to Repent/get saved not just do some good deeds/works.

    The Cross was the perfect example. Two guys were next to Jesus on the
    Cross and only one guy went to heaven because only one Repented so
    that guy didn’t have time to do any works so it’s a matter of a/the person
    Repenting/having a change of heart about their sin. We all must Repent!
    We are known by our fruit yes but that fruit is of Repentance not a good
    work because many non-believers do a good works plus many do good
    works to be seen cause they want to put on show to get praise from man
    but He sees/looks at the heart. That’s why only Repentin/havin a change
    of heart about sin can save us. Many do good works to be seen which is
    the wrong reason/motive to do good works. Only Repenting/trusting Him
    will save us! Bible says to Repent and believe the Gospel to be saved!

  • Didda

    The bible also says that women are not allowed to teach men. Since one sin is exactly the same as any other, see you in hell.

  • Karla

    Didda-Bible says in the last days God will pour His Spirit out on all flesh
    sons and daughters plus the so called “sin” you mentioned is not a sin.