Black lesbian bishop Yvette Flunder is ‘using my energy to find peace’

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Bishop Yvette Flunder, pastor of City of Refuge United Church of Christ in Oakland, Calif., and leader of the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries, preached on Tuesday (March 17, 2015) during an annual lecture series of the American Baptist College in Nashville, Tenn. Religion News Service photo by Rebecca Adler Rotenberg (www.rebeccaadlerphoto.com)

Bishop Yvette Flunder, pastor of City of Refuge United Church of Christ in Oakland, Calif., and leader of the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries, preached on Tuesday (March 17, 2015) during an annual lecture series of the American Baptist College in Nashville, Tenn. Religion News Service photo by Rebecca Adler Rotenberg (www.rebeccaadlerphoto.com)

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (RNS) By her own count, Bishop Yvette Flunder has officiated at 149 funerals for victims of AIDS and HIV. Her office in Oakland, Calif., contains the ashes from some of those funerals after family members refused to claim them.

In recent weeks, she’s been celebrated and castigated for being an African-American bishop who’s legally married to another woman.

But when the time came for her to speak at a small Baptist college in this Bible Belt city, she chose to forgive the black clergymen who called her appearance a “travesty of the highest order.”

“I’m not using my energy for useless fights,” the third-generation preacher said at the end of a rousing sermon on Tuesday (March 17). “I’m using my energy to find peace. Let there be peace on earth.”

While strangers and critics see her only through the lens of her sexual orientation, Flunder has been hailed by those who know her as a leader with a “radically inclusive” agenda of compassion, aimed at getting everyone — gay, straight, black, white, immigrant and native — at the table.

Her calendar is full, from pastoring her predominantly black, mostly LGBT congregation in Oakland, Calif., to providing for orphans from Mexico to Zimbabwe, to keynoting a World AIDS Day event at the White House.

Bishop Yvette Flunder, second from right in front row, during a visit to the White House in 2011. Photo courtesy of Bishop Yvette Flunder

Bishop Yvette Flunder, far left in front row, during a visit to the White House in 2011. Photo courtesy of Bishop Yvette Flunder

The Rev. Randy Vaughn, a coordinator of the National Baptist Fellowship of Concerned Pastors, said his issue with Flunder was not her AIDS ministry, or even her luncheon speech at American Baptist College here. It was her preaching during a worship service of the college’s annual lecture series as the legal wife of Shirley Miller, her partner of 30 years.

“The worship for us is the high point of our being with God, and how can we come before God with open, public sin?” asked Vaughn, whose fledgling group, organized specifically to protest Flunder, collected about 390 online signatures on its petition to try to halt her appearance.

The 5-foot-2-inch woman with the strong alto voice is a daughter of the Church of God in Christ, a predominantly black and Pentecostal denomination. Her opponents have difficulty accepting her, she said, because she challenges the traditional patriarchy of the black church.

“It’s one of the last bastions of power that a lot of my brothers feel like they have, and I represent everything that flies in the face of it,” Flunder, 59, said in an interview. “I am a woman. I am woman clergy and I’m a same-gender-loving woman.”

But she is also a defiant, self-described visionary, comparing herself to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in sometimes ominous language, with good reason, she said.

“I’ve had my back window of my car shot out; I’ve had my bedroom window shot out in my house,” said Flunder, who was guarded by six officers during her sermon. “People hate a change agent.”

Bishop Yvette Flunder, right, pastor of City of Refuge United Church of Christ in Oakland, Calif., and leader of the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries, preached on Tuesday (March 17, 2015) during an annual lecture series of the American Baptist College in Nashville, Tenn. Religion News Service photo by Rebecca Adler Rotenberg (www.rebeccaadlerphoto.com)

Bishop Yvette Flunder, right, pastor of City of Refuge United Church of Christ in Oakland, Calif., and leader of the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries, preached on Tuesday (March 17, 2015) during an annual lecture series of the American Baptist College in Nashville, Tenn. Religion News Service photo by Rebecca Adler Rotenberg (www.rebeccaadlerphoto.com)

Undeterred, Flunder continues her fight for justice after first attempting to do what the church expected of her: marrying a man. Though she knew she was a lesbian and her husband knew he was gay, she said, “We thought we’d kind of cancel each other out.” A daughter, now 38, was born from their union before they divorced and he contracted HIV. It was her ex-husband’s illness and death — along with that of other friends with the virus — that moved her to a new kind of ministry.

She and Miller opened the first faith-based house in the country for HIV-positive men in the mid-1980s. For some, she has represented either a second chance at life or at church.

Shirley Miller, Bishop Yvette Flunder's wife, smiles in the crowd during an annual lecture series of the American Baptist College in Nashville, Tenn., on Tuesday (March 17, 2015). Religion News Service photo by Rebecca Adler Rotenberg (www.rebeccaadlerphoto.com)

Shirley Miller, Bishop Yvette Flunder’s wife, smiles in the crowd during an annual lecture series of the American Baptist College in Nashville, Tenn., on Tuesday (March 17, 2015). Religion News Service photo by Rebecca Adler Rotenberg (www.rebeccaadlerphoto.com)

“My life is what it is today because she taught me how to do self-care,” said Ken Hall, an African-American gay man who now works for Flunder as a medical case manager but who once was on the receiving end of her care, along with other HIV-positive men she taught how to track their white blood cell counts and fight infection.

James Pearman, a white gay man who traveled to Nashville with two dozen others to hear Flunder preach, said he was an agnostic for three decades and felt estranged in his Pentecostal church. Twelve years ago, he joined Flunder’s City of Refuge United Church of Christ, which started in San Francisco in 1991 and now meets in Oakland, Calif.

“Bishop had her hands up, was singing,” recalled the 63-year-old retired bank executive. “I just cried about six services and decided I had to join. My foundation was given back to me.”

Bishop Yvette Flunder, far right, pastor of City of Refuge United Church of Christ in Oakland, Calif., and leader of the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries, preached on Tuesday (March 17, 2015) during an annual lecture series of the American Baptist College in Nashville, Tenn. Religion News Service photo by Rebecca Adler Rotenberg (www.rebeccaadlerphoto.com)

Bishop Yvette Flunder, far right, pastor of City of Refuge United Church of Christ in Oakland, Calif., and leader of the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries, preached on Tuesday (March 17, 2015) during an annual lecture series of the American Baptist College in Nashville, Tenn. Religion News Service photo by Rebecca Adler Rotenberg (www.rebeccaadlerphoto.com)

That church, with about 350 attending each Sunday, includes the Transcendence Gospel Choir, which sang at the 2003 national meeting of the United Church of Christ when the denomination officially welcomed the full participation of transgender people.

“By advancing issues of transgender inclusion through music, she was able to raise the profile of that issue within our church in ways that talking would not have accomplished,” said J. Bennett Guess, executive minister of UCC local church ministries.

The congregation’s outreach includes City of Refuge Tijuana Church in Mexico, led by the Rev. Tony Manriquez, who was the first Hispanic elder of her San Francisco church and now oversees a congregation and ministries helping people with HIV, orphans and the elderly.

“Everything about theology, preaching teaching, I learned at her feet,” said Manriquez, who at 79 is 20 years older than his mentor.

Flunder was consecrated as a bishop of the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries, which began in 1999 and now has some 60 member churches and about 40 affiliates. Although most of the congregations are predominantly African-American and led by LGBT or LGBT-affirming clergy, the fellowship also includes whites and Hispanics. Its churches are also in Asia and Africa, and she will travel to Australia to start new work there this year.

“I’m shocked and surprised all the time at the way it grows,” she said. “But I know something about freedom and positivity: It’s much more alluring than all this hate talk. There are same-gender-loving people all over the world and cultures that resist them all over the world — religion being the principal culture.”

Bishop Yvette Flunder, embraces her mother after preaching on Tuesday (March 17, 2015) during an annual lecture series of the American Baptist College in Nashville, Tenn. Religion News Service photo by Rebecca Adler Rotenberg (www.rebeccaadlerphoto.com)

Bishop Yvette Flunder, receives an embrace after preaching on Tuesday (March 17, 2015) during an annual lecture series of the American Baptist College in Nashville, Tenn. Religion News Service photo by Rebecca Adler Rotenberg (www.rebeccaadlerphoto.com)

Bishop Bonnie Radden, the West Coast leader of the fellowship, said the growth has added more hands and feet to the efforts Flunder began.

“For many years the work was just her and her church and then the work broadened,” she said. “I think her compassion for people — period — keeps her going whether she’s standing next to President Obama or next to an AIDS patient in Tijuana or Africa.”

Flunder’s supporters hope the latest protest — and counterprotest — may be the sign of a turning point in the church debate about same-sex marriage. More than 2,000 people signed an online petition of the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists that championed her Nashville appearances.

Flunder used the controversy as a teachable moment about sticking with a vision.

“I wouldn’t have flown on an airplane if Orville and Wilbur Wright had listened to their haters,” she said. “It takes courage to be a visionary.”

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  • Doc Anthony

    As the RNS article mentioned, Yvette Flunder “is a daughter of” the Church of God in Christ, which is (in general) a really cool denomination.

    (By the way, they’re starting to accept the reality of women preachers — God knows they’ve got plenty of ’em already — but it’s still going to be a while before they all get it right and officially/formally acknowledge that reality.)

    Meanwhile, the denomination has taken a clear and public stand against the evil of gay marriage. Flunder sounds like a gifted preacher, and a compassionate servant to those with HIV issues. But it’s time for her to get a divorce — QUICKLY! — and stop messing around with all that LGBT mess. Time for her to become a real bishop.

    Here is what the Church of God in Christ says about gay marriage (and yes they’re correct about it):

    http://www.charismanews.com/us/33464-cogic-takes-stand-against-same-sex-marriage

  • Black lesbian bishop Yvette Flunder is ‘using my energy to find peace’

    Most of us seem to be able to ‘find peace’ without making a public nuisance of ourself.

    By her own count, Bishop Yvette Flunder has officiated at 149 funerals for victims of AIDS and HIV. Her office in Oakland, Calif., contains the ashes from some of those funerals after family members refused to claim them

    You fancy that a requiem for someone who died of opportunistic infections derived from what is commonly a venereal disease has some sort of cachet that a generic funeral lacks; just why is that?

  • Her opponents have difficulty accepting her, she said, because she challenges the traditional patriarchy of the black church.

    Oh yeah. Black families are just groaning under the weight of ‘traditional patriarchy’.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    The poster above resorted to a notoriously anti-gay website in an attempt to prove his claim, which is hardly an unimpeachable source. The article includes no specified source, so it is literally nothing more than hearsay, and is nearly 3 years old. With additional Christian denominations joining yearly the many other Christian denominations that want to marry same gender couples, we have no reason to believe the claims that the denomination that includes Bishop Flunder persists in attacking LGBT Americans and telling lies about the Bible.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Just what sort of person is it that thinks comforting the bereaved is “making a public nuisance of ourself”? Sad to say, that same sort of person also still celebrates a disease that worldwide, despite his ugly inferences, has stricken more heterosexuals than LGBT people.

    Fortunately, all normal, non-homophobic Americans have become aware of the vicious hate speech of anti-gays, and we consider anti-gays to be deeply disturbed, sickeningly immoral and clearly disloyal to America and our Constitution. That sort of filth above is destroying the anti-gay agenda and hastening the move by additional Christian denominations to reverse their previous mistakes and honor and cherish LGBT Americans and fight for equal rights.

    You’d think anti-gays would learn from their mistakes, but we see they double down and attack the welcoming and affirming denominations, just as they attack anyone who won’t help then attack LGBT Americans.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Somehow, I don’t think that poster above will fool anyone into believing he really cares about African American families.

  • Darlene

    This Bishop’s walk speaks for itself. She has nothing to prove to any denominational leaders. God is in control not COGIC.

  • Deacon John M. Bresnahan

    After almost 40 years teaching in an inner city high school I have learned how heroic women are in the Black Community with regard to bringing up the children too many Black men have abandoned.
    Thus, the real need in that community is more “patriarchy” to go along with the “matriarchy” that has done so much good. Unfortunately, it seems that those who stick up for a complementarily strong male presence in the Black Community are frequently ridiculed or pushed aside frequently to make that community ever more matriarchal leaving teen-age boys with too few constructive male role models.

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  • too many Black men have abandoned.

    How many of them ‘abandoned’ these children and how many were shoo’d away?

    And how did these heroic women get from here to there? You lie down with the strangest of characters for the slightest of reasons and that has consequences.

    The social dynamics which prevail among the young are pretty pathological, and in the slum more severely so than other places. Men and women, however, are a dyad.

  • Just what sort of person is it that thinks comforting the bereaved is “making a public nuisance of ourself”?

    Just to assist you, CarrotCakeMan, I actually appended each of my remarks to a precise antecedent remarked in italics.

    I can explain these things to you. I cannot comprehend them for you.

  • Janice Sommerville

    I pray that the God, who has called, equipped and anointed Bishop Rev. Dr. Yvette Flunder will continue to bless and hold her wife and their lives together. If I am not mistaken, divorce is a sin…marriage isn’t. Praying for your enlightenment and for God to continue to bring the gift of knowledge and discernment to you, my brother.

  • Janice Sommerville

    Amen! Amen! And so be it!

  • george

    As a member of a Fellowship of Affirming Ministries Church in Washington DC, I will never forget Bishop Flunder anointing me, and praying for me, a year ago. There was true POWER in her prayer. May the Lord continue to bless her in her quest to help this world find PEACE….

  • Doc Anthony

    Umm, the reason why I chose the website is because they included the complete text of the COGIC statement, and it’s important to see the entirety of the text instead of just snips. However, if you think for one second that COGIC didn’t issue that statement, you’re welcome to contact them so they can confirm it with you.

    In fact I know one or two COGIC churches that actually post a copy of it on their bulletin boards, just to make it clear (legally) to both members and visitors where they stand, in the event church leaders are asked to make their facilities available for gay weddings or gay receptions.

  • Doc Anthony

    I don’t necessarily doubt your testimony George, for I have met a few people who, despite this-that-or-the-other, (and we’re all flawed people anyway), still seemed to have an anointing or gift for preaching, singing, serving, and/or praying for folks.

    But you cannot travel very far on ANY quest, when you’re wearing handcuffs and leg irons all the time. And that’s what LGBT is, 24/7. That’s what gay marriage is, 24/7.

    That stuff is chaining and imprisoning people, preventing folks from achieving their true potential in God. (Actually, it’s far worse than that, as 1 Cor. 6:9-11 points out.) Those chains need to be broken, even if they have been forged over decades, as in Flunder’s case.

    Breaking chains and busting people out of spiritual jails, is a major purpose of having divine power in prayer. I don’t doubt you that Flunder “has POWER in her prayer”, but that is a strong reminder that it’s time to break that lesbian chain entirely. Time for a five-alarm…

  • Diamond

    How can God anoint a sin in which he calls an abomination ? I love gays and straights but Gods word is very clear about homosexuality. He did not create it, we did.

  • James Carr

    Anyone with a resounding, uplifting oratorical style can move the public to believe in their ideology. What is wrong is most often the validity of the message.
    Christianity and the sin of homosexuality are incompatible, and always will be. No human being can alter this basic fact. Tolerating the homosexual, like tolerating all sinners, is part of the Christian ethic, but redefining what sin is is impossible.
    This black lesbian bishop means well, I’m sure, and may be of some value in the public square…..but she is a false preacher, one who places her ideas above the Commandments of God and spouts them as if it is God’s Will.
    Dangerous theology, a theology that fits her lifestyle……it is not the theology of truth.

  • Thomas Coates

    what if people reduced your loving relationships to a sex act? What if people called your spouse a sin?

  • Gregory Peterson

    The Bishop is advocating for the integrity of loving adult relationships. Having once been accused of promoting the “unnatural sin of miscegenation,” and that Black men are only capable of lust, not love…I’m surprised and saddened to read all the recycled racist arguments against a different minority group. Apparently, the only thing conservative Evangelicals have learned is to pick on a smaller minority group.

  • ben in oakland

    eating shrimp is an abomination. god doesn’t seem to care about it.

  • ben in oakland

    well, they can now do it with actual citations from viciously antigay websites. Isn’t that an improvement?

  • ben in oakland

    bq is obsessed with sodomy, handsome young men, and anal sex.

    Don’t worry about it. He doesn’t.

  • Doc Anthony

    Or maybe, in the case of the predominately black COGIC denomination, they rely not on “recycled racist” arguments, but instead on the clear teachings of the Bible such as Matt. 19:4-5 and 1 Cor 6:9-11. Go figure.

  • ben in oakland

    Just because they were racist arguments, doesn’t mean they can’t be repurposed. That’s the nature of bigotry. it has no new stories to tell, it just changes a few of the details.

    Remember that there were black slaveholders.

  • Fran

    Yvette should be aware that only Jesus, the Prince of Peace, will officially bring worldwide peace through his upcoming millennial rule in God’s kingdom (Daniel 2:44), or heavenly government.

    That rule will be righteous, loving and just (Isaiah 11:1-9), and will even put an end to all sickness and disease (even AIDS and all cancers), old age and death (Revelation 21:1-4).

    No man, nor any of his governments, has the love and power to accomplish these things! Sin and imperfection will become a thing of the past, and humans will finally enjoy the “real life” forever on earth.

  • Susan

    Fran, are you saying that we shouldn’t to anything to bring about a more peaceful world? We should just sit around and wait for the Second Coming in your view. Maybe the Messiah is waiting until we try to bring about peace on our own. Jews are still waiting for the Messiah to come for the first time, but most of us are not sitting about waiting because God wants us to help ourselves and others as well. There are Jews that are sitting and waiting for the Messiah, but they are a very small number and I don’t agree with them.

    Lesbians and Gay men are born that way. They did not choose to be Gay or Lesbian. What has caused the absence of Black men in families is unemployment, poverty and racism. It was not the reverse. Black Americans came North and the the manufacturing jobs went elsewhere. I know that many of the unions did not allow Black apprentices for a long time.

  • Lesbians and Gay men are born that way.

    Again, it is well understood that this is not so. Discordance among identical twins demonstrates it is not so.

  • Susan

    There are many studies that show different results for homosexuals, but even if was a choice, it is a valid choice and one no one need feel ashamed of. I just checked Google Scholar for results on twin studies and the results are varied.

  • Fran

    Karla,

    The Scriptures cited speak the truth for themselves. What God promises mankind therein will come true, and the meek shall inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5) through God’s kingdom, a major theme of the entire Bible.

  • Fran

    Susan,

    We should be loving our fellowman, no doubt about that! Jesus even instructed us to love our enemies and to pray for those persecuting us (Matthew 5:44).

    But look at the world today… Is love a major quality expressed by the majority? Jesus provided various signs of when we would be living in the last days of a wicked era (Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21).

    Those signs included nation against nation, food shortages, earthquakes in one place after another. Also, “because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will cool off” (Matthew 24:12). That sign is very evident in our days!!

    The prophet Daniel foretold about God’s kingdom, a government that would get involved in man’s affairs, never be brought to ruin; not be passed on to any other people, crush and put an end to all kingdoms, and stand forever (Daniel 2:44). It will bring true peace and security to all meek ones (Isaiah 11:1-9).
    Man and his governments will not!

  • Dave

    Perhaps you should consult a good concordance on the shellfish matter so you do not mislead others. Perhaps even read the entire chapter or book lest you spread a false doctrine. It is really not that hard to understand.

  • Be Brave

    No one needs to appeal to any other body of Christian proof to oppose the homosexualization of The Church than to read the New Testament. LGBT aims and demands are clearly anti-Christian. The attack on truthful Christian marriage by LGBT activists and their enormous numbers of supporters from secular-godless hordes is testimony to the antithetical nature of LGBT theology and insertion into Christian life. LGBT’s are not going into Churches to be brothers and sisters, but rather masters and tyrannical lords.

    Of course.

  • Be Brave

    @Diamond

    It’s evident that the truth you write will pass before blind eyes.

    The first people to go into Nazi concentration camps were Pastors that opposed the National Socialists of the Third Reich. It is clear a similar fate is being set up for Christians that will not show obeisance to the gay masters.

  • Be Brave

    ” . . . and we consider anti-gays to be deeply disturbed, sickeningly immoral and clearly disloyal to America and our Constitution . . . ”

    Ah yes, here comes the Fourth Reich. Hating the Pastors and the Christian Church that will not be absorbed into it as did the Third.

    And of course carried on the wings of carefully crafted propaganda. No matter that there is no such thing as same gender marriage in Christian truth, no, no, no. Anyone that will not worship at the rainbow idol will suffer the consequences.

    When is Christian-Nacht to begin I wonder?

  • Be Brave

    @James Carr,

    What a fantastic post. The truth of it rings out from Roman Judea 2000-plus years ago and rings just as true today.

  • Be Brave

    “Lesbians and Gay men are born that way.”

    Oh really????

    Then the feelings for repulsion and opposition of homosexuality is a “born that way” condition as well and no one “anti-gay” is doing anything wrong or unnatural.

    OK.

    Now let’s move on to LGBT’s forming their own religion and dwell there. And now, allow Christians to live the truth the way Jesus and the Apostles taught it, where the incompatibility of LGBT culture is a reality of truth and not hate.

  • Be Brave

    The LGBT community attacking from one direction. Foaming at the mouth atheists from another. And totalitarian tyrannical Muslim Islamists from a third direction.

    And the poor faithful Christians worldwide targeted by them all.

    And this is really happening.

  • Be Brave

    Compared to the amazing array of anti-Christian (of course pro gay sites) the Christians have no chance other than to be persecuted by the LGBT climate change catastrophe.

    The hate that the LGBT community and their hordes of secular mobs have for Christians is so intense and insulting, that even Church buildings are no longer safe for Christians to be as Jesus taught.

  • What studies of identical twins vary on in the frequency of the phenomenon of discordance in comparison with concordance in homosexuality. There have been studies (based on one twin reporting for another not interviewed) which had discordance and concordance equally frequent. Others have discordance more frequent.

    Keep in mind what this suggests. Identical twins have the same genes, were in gestation in the same womb, generally grow up in the same household, and generally have the same social circles as youngsters. I think schools will commonly make a point to put them in different homerooms and sections, but that’s the main environmental difference. And, yet, concordance for homosexuality Is still no more common than discordance. That suggests that accidents of personal history and how people react to them account for a large share of the variation in the frequency of homosexuality in society.

    but even if was a choice,

    You need to stop thinking in crude…

  • in crude binaries.

  • it is a valid choice and one no one need feel ashamed of.

    Thanks for your ex cathedra remarks.

    The rest of us paying attention the last 50-odd years have had a look at what happens to social relations when sex is reduced to a sporting activity.

  • More likely they will be dismissed from their jobs, stripped of their occupational licenses, expelled from school, and subject to orchestrated harassment by newspapers and SJWs. That’s actually already happening here and there. What’s amazing is the manner in which manipulative homosexuals have turned the legal profession into their bitch. We would not be facing so much trouble if the upper ranks of the legal profession had not been corrupted.

  • Scott Shaver

    On the contrary, I think there’s more compassion hidden in his biting satire than you’re capable of comprehending.

  • Jon Trouten

    Bishop Flunder might be a daughter of the Church of God in Christ, but she’s currently a leader within the United Church of Christ. We UCCers support the blessing of marriage equality.

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  • Perry

    James Carr, in the end for you there is only one truth, and it is that you die and rot away. Acceptance of homosexuality is pretty much a done deal for modern people, so get used to it.

  • Shawnie5

    If someone called my spouse a sin? Well, from me that would probably elicit all of a smile, a shrug, and a “Have a nice day.”

    Where the heart of the conscience does not convict, the “affirmation” of others is not required.

  • Fran

    Michelle,

    The Scriptures cited are very self-explanatory about the marvelous future of mankind on earth.

    Hell, also known as Hades and Sheol, is the common grave of mankind, where the dead are sleeping and not aware of anything at all (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10). There is no place of fiery torment forever. Jesus himself was asleep for 3 days and 3 nights in the grave (Acts 2:31), and not tormented.

  • Fran

    People do usually rot in the grave over time but they do not experience torment by fire forever. They are just asleep in death, not aware of anything (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10) at all.

    Because God is so loving toward mankind, many of those sleeping in death now have the hope of resurrection back to life on earth, to be reunited with family and friends (John 5:28,29; Acts 25:15). This will be accomplished during Jesus’ millennial rule in the near future.

  • Fran

    Acts 24:15 instead of 25:15

  • Michelle

    You must Repent of hateful or become dwelling in enternal fire of Hell. Repent now!

  • Larry

    Wow Christians can be real malicious d-bags to their own if someone doesn’t hate they way they do. Who needs atheists to when you guys attack each other apart so readily?

    Be Brave, James Carr, Art Deco, Doc Anthony, Fran, Michelle, Shawnie, I could not think of any greater endorsement for avoiding fundamentalist Christianity at all costs than the sh1t you people flung at a bishop of a Christian church.

    AtheistMax would say its typical of religious belief. But that is not true. The person you are attacking is also a believer and by the accounts of the article a decent human being. You guys may be believers, but there is not an ounce of decency among you.

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  • hereiam

    Ya know when I was reading the comments most of what I read was nothing but sugar coated judgement and hate. And when i checked no human is above another, we are not supposed to judge, that was never our job. please don’t degrade God’s work by the vessel that he’s carrying it out in. Don’t mock the vessel either. If LGBT people of faith are really people of true faith God will handle whatever sins in their life. No Christian is perfect and all sin is equal in his eyes. Your job was to never judge them for it. You were actually supposed to invite them in with open arms and an open mind. You are no better. You have no clue what revelation God gave her and people like her. And because of your lack of knowledge you are too busy being of the world and in your feelings to notice what is actually happening in the kingdom. He said be in the world not of it so everything going on here shouldn’t even phase you. I mean it’s not your business-whats goes on in her life. Let God be God.