Indiana law prompts one-sided fundraising push

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Organizers fire up a crowd gathered to protest a controversial religious freedom bill recently signed by Governor Mike Pence. Photo by Nate Chute/Reuters.

Organizers fire up a crowd gathered to protest a controversial religious freedom bill recently signed by Governor Mike Pence. Photo by Nate Chute/Reuters.

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NEW YORK (Reuters) The initial goal of raising $25,000 for the owners of an Indiana pizza shop was rapidly left behind and the drive raised a staggering $842,000 before it was closed.

  • Larry

    The author fails to appreciate the following things about Bible thumping bigots:

    1. No they are not decent people. They know they are spreading hate and have no problems with it. Religious belief means having excuses to act like dillholes to other people.

    2. Being a fairly uncritical bunch, they are easy to whip up into a frenzy over phony nonsense. 85% of the discussions with the crowd involve having to explain how factually incorrect or completely illogical, their claims are.

    3. They are notoriously loose when it comes to money. Hence the billions of dollars pouring into the coffers of televangelists, telemarketing scams, multi-level marketing, political campaigns of some of the most brain-damaged politicians to take office, and for rhino horn backscratchers in the Vatican.

    Now how are rational, fiscally responsible, non-hysterical people going to compete with that? Appealing to conservative religious moronitude is a license to print money.

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  • opheliart

    it just shows that some people put their money where their mouth is, and … it is their right … regardless of view. The negative comments will ALWAYS be no matter the situation. Attacking these “religious” with accusation and labels (true or false) will not change WHAT they are inside (where have we heard that before?) πŸ™‚

    You need another approach, sweetie .

  • opheliart

    The approach is there, Larry … it’s staring right at you …

  • James Carr

    Could there be a kinder, more moral act than helping out this poor couple who’d rather go out of business than violate their conscience? Proves that the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage despite the manipulated polls that state otherwise.
    And only $700.00 for the gay “fight”. Of course, their pocketbook is full to the brim by wealthy liberals, but it’s nice to see the average gay doesn’t give a damn for the “cause”…..they just want to get along like most of us.
    Great, great story !

  • Mason

    Can you clarify what you mean by ‘profits from his fundraising drive” ?

    Shouldn’t fundraising be 100% contribution to whatever cause it is geared towards?

    People should find out for every $ they contribute what percentage is actually going to the causes they support!

  • Miles

    I guess Eliel Cruz got it all for homeless LBGT teens and there just wasn’t enough left over.

  • Larry

    You mean “the poor business” which made a killing over a planned fake outrage on local media? Or the one who violated the state anti-discrimination laws and is making money hand over fist as a public speaker now?

    Its amazing what you guys will fork money over for. I applaud the audacity and the sheer directness in targeting hysterics and making a mint off their backs.

    Yes, sane non-discriminatory, non-hateful people are not so easily parted with their money as easily as bible thumping hysterics. This is why televangelists have Gulfstream jets and their audience usually live in trailer parks.

  • Larry

    “GoFundMe gets 7.9 percent of money donated plus 30 cents per donation.”

    They also promote fraud.

  • MD Bill

    See if this example helps:

    Funds Raised – $100
    Cost of raising Funds – $95
    Profit?! -$5 πŸ˜‰

  • Larry

    You got a point there, Opheliart πŸ™‚

  • Doc Anthony

    Apologies to Mr. Jason Nguyen, but “the message of love” has already been given already.

    You see, some of us Christians don’t consider things like **Death Threats** and **Arson Threats** from the pro-gay side, to be a very loving response to the Christian-owned Memories Pizza.

    The Christian family already told the media that they would serve gays and straights alike, no problem on that. But they couldn’t participate in catering gay weddings, because they’re Christians. Christians don’t affirm or participate in homosexual weddings because we follow what Jesus said. (Matt. 19:4-5.)

    So since YOUR side decided to send messages of Death and Arson and Shut-Down to that family, OUR side decided to send some LOVE messages instead.

    About $842,000 worth of Love, yes. A very loving message. But don’t worry, your side will soon seek to REPEAL yet another family’s constitutional religious freedoms, probaby with yet more threats and hate.

  • Greg

    Larry, you miss the point. Most gay activists do not work, they go from demonstration to demonstration, protest to protest, with whatever funding comes from the Corporate Gay Lobbies. If they had money, that would mean they actually worked, and would not have time for all the in-your-face nonsense. Those on the other side, help the poor, and believe in Christian Charity, a virtue that is missing in the selfish gay lobby.

  • Larry

    How would you know anything about gay activists?

    One thing that has been made perfectly clear by people like yourself is there is a compulsive need to make up crap to support your positions.

    My favorite is the constant denial that these “religious freedom” bills are not about total discrimination of gays in business. When Indiana went through the process of changing its law, so it would not be so construed, you and others were up in arms.

    So pardon me if I find your credibility to be sorely lacking.

  • Larry

    “You see, some of us Christians don’t consider things like **Death Threats** and **Arson Threats** from the pro-gay side, to be a very loving response to the Christian-owned Memories Pizza.”

    And your proof of any of that was again? Hearsay nonsense.

    But Christians like yourself do find things like torture, discrimination, driving people to suicide, and outright murder to be very loving responses to the presence of gay people in their midst.

  • Shawnie5

    “Proves that the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage despite the manipulated polls that state otherwise.”

    Not exactly. At least a quarter of Americans idenitfy as evangelical Christian – about 80 million people. Only a miniscule fraction of these, donating mere pocket change, could reproduce this event many times over. And quite possibly they will. As the Body of Christ we are all responsible for each other.

    The hilarious thing about all of this is that these people have been enriched DIRECTLY as a result of their attackers’ actions. Great job, bullies, Try to see how much more money you can get into the “homophobes'” pockets…

  • James Carr

    No, I mean $850,000.00 to a good cause, and only $700.00 to a stupid cause. Those are the facts, Larrio, and LOL.

  • Larry

    Can’t argue with the spending power of idiocy. Nobody ever became poor overestimating the intelligence of the general public. πŸ™‚

  • Greg

    Larry, anyone with a lick of sense can connect the dots. Let’s see, people living in tents at all these “protests.” Once the protest is over, and the next one begins, they pull up their stakes, leave a ton of garbage behind for the cities to clean up, and then it starts all over again at the next “protest.” How can anyone involved in such a “great work” actually “work.” Any normal employer would fire them within two weeks. So, the simple diagnosis is as follows: if there is bat poop in your attic, there are usually bats. If there are protesters living in tents, they probably don’t work.

  • Larry

    So you don’t know a thing about them and are just pulling stuff from your posterior.

    You seem to have this whole scenario just running around in your head like a hamster on caffeine without anything to support it. Gotcha.

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  • Billysees


    “They are notoriously loose when it comes to money. Hence the billions of dollars pouring into the coffers of …some of the most brain-damaged politicians to take office,…”

    Sounds right to me.

  • The Great God Pan

    There’s a sucker born every minute. And in the US, where 8 out of 10 people are Christian, it makes sense that most of those suckers are also Christian.

    The truth is that some pizza joint in a poor Indiana village was never going to be asked to cater a same-sex wedding. There was no reason for the owners to make their big announcement other than to create controversy around themselves so they could reap donations for being “victimized” by the “gay mafia” (i.e. being subjected to other people’s freedom of speech).

    The reason Mr. Nguyen was not able to replicate these results is because gay people are smart enough not to throw cash at any random huckster with a GoFundMe page. There is no reason to give money to Jason Nguyen so he can maybe give it to the Human Rights Campaign when it can be given directly to the HRC.

  • Greg

    I pull nothing out of my @@@; I see the clips, connect the dots, and tell it like it is.

  • opheliart


    Suckers some may be … but this should be called The Pizza Plan. Memories Pizza? πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ This is memorable alright. This was a performance. Should be interesting to see what comes next.

  • Larry

    Give me a break. You support the legal discrimination of people on the pretext of a religious privilege to treat others like crap. Your arguments and involve stupid analogies and fictitious “well meaning discriminators”. Credibility is not your strong suit.

  • Shawnie5

    Or better yet, get turn it into a government entitlement and fund it with other people’s money besides your own – which is the “progressives'” preferred method of extending “charity.”

  • Greg

    That’s interesting, I do investigative science, putting forth a theory based upon sound deductive reasoning, that most of the gay activists at those intensely unbridled rallies do not work for a living, and you call it bull. Conversely though, you are quick to swallow other pseudo scientific theories such evolution in its most radical form. Are we picking and choosing our theories?

  • Those who wish to live their lives according to the Word of God are now said to be “spreading hate”. Really? I think you have it backwards. The most important love there is, is God’s love. His love for us and ours for Him. We are commanded to love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. Love of God is foremost! These so called “marriages” are condemned by God,as is homosexual behavior throughout scripture. So lets e clear. It is those pushing this “gay” agenda that are spreading hatred. Indeed, hatred for God. How can we love God and do exactly the opposite of what He commands? We Can’t! Stop spreading hatred of God, and hared of Christians, for that is exactly what you are doing-hypocrites!! Repent from this, turn to God, receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and you will know true love. God’s love. Blessed be His Name.

  • Larry

    Right, homophobes are hysteric, gulible and easily parted from their money. As I said. πŸ™‚

  • shawnie5

    LOL! Well, at least it’s their own money they’re generous with, rather than other people’s. Gotta save that brand of “charity” for progressives.

    Larry, quite honestly, I’d be embarrassed to come on a thread like this gnashing my teeth because my efforts to penalize those I hate ended up enriching them instead. The cyber-spittle is absolutely flying from your cyber-mouth and making you a most entertaining spectacle.

  • opheliart

    Larry and ..

    Good morning-sentiments aside, flared tempers (both sides) in check, look at it this way:

    I go to a place that sells and repairs yard equipment. They tell me they can’t fix my equipment because they don’t work on that brand. They give me a lecture on why they don’t work on that brand (think about auto places, too). I can’t force them to service me. Whether or not they think me ignorant for buying the brand they don’t service is irrelevant unless I want to make it relevant.

    A friend of mine told me a story several years ago. Her and her partner (a woman) met with a Christian pastor for some type of service. She wasn’t specific, but I think it had something to do with a grandchild. The pastor turned them away saying he could not assist them.

    The point I am making here is that there are many people not skilled, qualified, capable, or willing, for various reasons *and this goes for priests/ministers pastoring their own members. I know of some πŸ™ stories…

  • InGodITrust

    I have trouble grasping how your comments on people of faith don’t make you s bigger bigot than them?!

  • Larry

    ” I do investigative science”, Let me guess you are a staff writer for the Discovery Institute. πŸ™‚

    So every protester out there on a weekday is an out of work shill for a given cause.

    “pseudo scientific theories such evolution”
    I guess the “investigative science” you do has nothing to do with biology or geology. You are probably also not in any capacity to publish in peer-reviewed publications or required to rely on them in any capacity. Your understanding of science seems awfully limited and self-serving.

    Being a creationist, I would also add your honesty is also non-existent. All creationists are liars by nature. They lie about the nature of their faith in public to browbeat others into accepting their mythological nonsense. They frequently lie about their understanding of science as well.

  • Greg

    Today is Divine Mercy Sunday, the Day the Catholic Church celebrates the mercy of our Lord. This feast is tied to the Polish nun Sr. Faustina, who received regular visits from Jesus, and was shown many things, including heaven and hell. Her diary has been uploaded to the Internet, and is at the following address:
    Her actual diary begins on page 25; it has been reviewed by the Church, and has nothing in it which conflicts with Scripture, or Catholic doctrine. You can download the pdf, and read it at your leisure. If all would do that, it would be the remedy for this crazy world… our Lord’s words are in BOLD. It is also a searchable pdf, where you can type in words like heaven, or hell, and see them in context. Have a blessed Divine Mercy Sunday.

  • Jesus is the bigot.
    it cannot be bigoted to be against him.

    JESUS says he came to promote TRIBALISM, BIGOTRY AND RACISM

    Jesus is cold to the woman who is not Jewish – he calls her ‘a dog’
    “It is not right to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs. β€” Jesus, Matthew 15:26
    In other words, β€œGet lost. I’m only here to help the Jews.”
    If you think that’s a distortion of scripture, it isn’t. He comes right out and says it:
    “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel” β€” Jesus, (Matthew 15:24)

    I am incredibly happy to report there is no reason to believe any of these legends about Jesus.

  • Larry

    The yard equipment store did not discriminate because they were physically unable to do the job. That is always a good excuse. One which raises no issues with the customer ans is reasonable.

    The pastor is discriminating. The job itself is a rite which the pastor provides as part of their job and is physically capable of doing it. It is simply the class of people who are the customer which is prompting the action.

    That being said, NEITHER OF THESE EXAMPLES are relevant when the subject is business discrimination. No extra laws are needed in either situation

    Although the pastor is engaging in discriminatory conduct, they are given a pass because it is not commerce. Every law which deals with discrimination carves out exceptions for religious rites.

  • @Greg,

    “the mercy of our Lord.”

    LOL πŸ™‚
    “Be condemned to Hell” (John 6:53-54)(Mark 16:16).

    “Bring to me those who would not have me for their King and EXECUTE THEM IN FRONT OF ME” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

    If you call that mercy I’d hate to see what you call punishment.

  • Doc Anthony

    “All creationists are liars by nature.”

    That’s exactly like saying “All atheists are liars by nature.”

    Without proof, neither statement is rationally credible.

    Got proof that all creationists are liars by nature?

    (And remember, YOU chose to employ the term “all”, so you’ve raised the bar of proof very high, dude. So, do you have proof?)

  • Be Brave

    His approach is that of Nero’s mobs in Rome.

    Some things never change. And hatred of Christians by “the world,” is one of them.

    If Christians that will not fall prostrate to worship the rainbow idol are “bigots” as Larry labels them, Jesus the Messiah is on Larry’s list.

  • opheliart

    Cont … Larry,

    “The pastor is discriminating. The job itself is a rite which the pastor provides as part of their job and is physically capable of doing it. It is simply the class of people who are the customer which is prompting the action.”

    You never know what you might be getting. And dishonesty comes in all shapes and sizes during all types of weather. I do not believe force in many of these cases is of a professional and prestigious quality. It’s a “low” sport.

    β€œ[Spitting into the food of white customers at a hotel in Greenville, South Carolina] gave me a psychological gratification.”

    Source: As quoted in a November 1969 Life magazine article, as quoted in The Death of Right and Wrong, by Tammy Bruce, 2003, page 144.
    Hardcopy: Printout of page 144 from The Death of Right and Wrong.
    Contributor: AIM.

  • Larry

    The proof all creationists are liars is in their entire approach.

    Creationism is all about lying about one’s personal faith and pretending their religious belief is somehow objectively credible and based on evidence. By denying faith in public, you begin lying and then go from there. Since no Creationist will ever drop their belief on the basis of presentation evidence using objectively credible methods, that is a lie as well. They claim to present methods and evidence to others they do not trust themselves.

    Just by saying you are a creationist, you are declaring your dishonesty. So ALL creationists are liars is more than accurate.

    Plus people who ignore over a century of observation and research as to natural processes over the explanation of, “sky fairy from Bronze Age mythology did it” are not in any position to speak of rationality or credibility.

  • Larry

    Hey anything to feel better about throwing money away for stupid reasons. I can understand that. “Sunk costs” thinking and whatnot. πŸ™‚

    Its not gnashing of the teeth here, its ridicule. But again, this is all about feeling better about poor choices made by people on your side of the issue.

  • Larry


    The important part here was that neither of your examples were appropriate here. Although the pastor is discriminating, they are allowed to and should be. Religious rituals are not commerce. It is also not “open” either.

    Without “forcing” commerce to stay open, discrimination only becomes more solidified and culturally acceptable. Nowadays it is virtually impossible to find someone willing to deny goods and services to people based on their race, religion or ethnicity. The culture has grown to make such people pariahs. That wasn’t the case 2 generations ago. People cannot be expected to suddenly drop their prejudices. But that doesn’t mean we have to give them protection of law.

  • opheliart


    you are playing the either or … and life is not either or for obvious reasons. You make solid points but miss the greater intent on my sharing. The idea of discrimination has become almost inconsequential because of the “remedies” placed. You are seeing only one side of that “protection” you claim … I am trying to help you see how force can cause instability.

    Do not become as the Religionists claiming absolute truth through dogmatic stations πŸ™‚

  • Revbookdoctor

    Actually the story in Matthew with the Syro-Phonecian woman fits a well known pattern of stories where a peasant challenges a king and wins. We find it in many Greek and Roman documents across a wide range of time periods. Did it actually happen? Who knows. We do know it takes its shape and language to conform to a tradition. The story probably sits within the text to challenge an initial understanding like that ascribed to Jesus – and where he changes his mind! You should really do a bit more scholarly work before making such outlandish statements.

  • Dave

    I just wished that everyone on this site could have a respectful discussion. I am so sick of the ugliness from both sides. I rarely see any comments that reflect a genuine desire to discuss any issue. Stop the screaming at each other, please!

  • @Revbookdoctor,

    “You should really do a bit more scholarly work before making such outlandish statements.”

    Jesus calls someone “a dog”, and you think this cruel, bigoted nonsense is unclear?

    My problem is NOT that the bible is interesting to study. Of course important ancient legends are interesting.

    My problem is that people think this bigoted nonsense is TRUE!
    And they claim I must agree that it is TRUE.
    And they claim I must agree that it is GOOD (ridiculous) !

    Acknowledge first that these stories are just fables, then I’m happy to discuss various interpretations and the dangers of misinterpretation.

  • Laurence Charles Ringo

    Wow,Larry…step back and take a deep breath,my friend.Since it was the media who affirmed that the business owners were receiving these threats,is it your contention that EVERYONE is lying about these threats? Are you claiming that the business owners sent the emails to themselves,called in these hateful threats to themselves? Since it’s oh-so-easy nowadays to check and verify,have you done so? Prove it,and your point will be made.And by the way,its not discrimination to refuse service to anyone you choose;”no shoes,no shirt,no service”,thought limited in its application comes to mind. Since there is NO Biblical example of a so-called”same-sex”marriage to use as an example,these people don’t have to pretend to endorse one by providing a cake.In fact,I’m willing to bet a dollar to a donut that even as I write this bakeries willing to cater to the same-sex wedding industry are springing up like mushrooms after a spring rain.So…KA-CHING!!–Winners all around.Relax,my friend.

  • Larry

    opheliart, my level of care for political majorities who already have power to turn their prejudices into discriminatory laws is zero.

    The people looking to discriminate always could call upon the power of the majority to enforce their will against others. If they are upset about being restrained by civil liberties remedies, so be it. I don’t really care what an upset bigot has to say about their loss of ability to attack others in public. After a while they stop fighting the remedies and act in a more amendable fashion. It has worked before, no reason to change a working plan of action.

    “I am trying to help you see how force can cause instability.”

    Hardly. Discrimination makes things unstable and messy. Having to navigate the arbitrary and capricious nature of animosities creates tons of problems.

  • Larry

    Thank you for being such a patronizing d-bag.

    Spreading nonsense about threats to anti-gay groups is pretty commonplace. Appeals to incredulity are not going to cut it here. If you are going to level something as serious as death threats, you need something other than 3rd hand claims. Have you seen these E-mails firsthand? Of course not. You can’t even rely on credible news sources for confirmation. I am not the one making the claims. All you have is hearsay and unreliable accounts.

    Don’t give a flying crap about biblical examples of anything. Neither do our laws. Establishment Clause and whatnot. This is about civil law.

    Its telling “Separate but equal” is still being promoted with a straight face. And you guys deny parallels with racial civil rights opposition. LOL.

  • Shawnie5

    “Its not gnashing of the teeth here, its ridicule.”

    Of course it’s ridicule…needed to make you feel better (though not much better, obviously) about the unintended results of your side’s efforts.

    Sorry to tell you, but projection advertises your need to “make yourself feel better” as efficiently as it does your dishonesty. Just sayin’.