GOP candidates dial up evangelical fears at Iowa forum

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Ted Cruz, shown here at an Austin, Texas rally, is aiming his presidential campaign at evangelical voters.

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Ted Cruz, shown here at an Austin, Texas rally, is aiming his presidential campaign at evangelical voters.

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Republican presidential hopefuls tell a Faith and Freedom Forum that Christianity could be 'criminalized' and threats to religious liberty abound.

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  • bqrq

    Republican candidates do not threaten families, religion, morals and children. Hillary rejects Judeo-Christian morality, she trashes traditional families and encourages our children and young people to do likewise. She advocates and promotes sexual promiscuity and high-risk sexual activity that destroys young lives and causes enormous harm.

    Hillary panders to the world-view that that sexual gratification is the purpose and meaning of life, that’s her platform. She does not care whether sodomy is right or wrong, nor does she care about who gets hurt by this vile perversion. Hillary says “just do it” anyone who objects is a bigot, and this is what she offers to America.

    We reject this putrid way of life and that is why we support conservative candidates with traditional moral values.

  • Ted

    The funniest part is that you take yourself seriously.

  • opheliart

    “We’ve got legislation in Louisiana to protect people of faith and of conscience.  Corporate America is not going to bully the governor of Louisiana,” he said, drawing loud applause.

    What about Corporate Religion being a bully? I am not convinced this governor’s conscience is upstanding when his faith is aligned with an entire Religious State that houses its own set of rules. Where and how does his conscience dictate matters for those not in compliance with his ideology? How does his belief of the priest-parishioner confessional play into his honesty in the court of law? Devout RCs insist a priest is bound to his code of secrecy.
    http://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2008/12/04/can-a-priest-ever-reveal-what-is-said-in-confession/

    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

  • John

    Christianity is not being criminalized and the freedom to practice religion is not in jeopardy. What is happening is that Christian values which have so long been a part of the public policy and legal landscape are being challenged and changed. This is a case of Christianity (mostly the right wing version) losing their influence in society and their power base in politics. This has always been an unhealthy mix for the church, but many evangelicals cannot see this. Now they look like a bunch of whiners and fear mongers over something they do not need anyway.

  • Ben in oakland

    If you have nothing of substance to say, then all you really have is fear mongering. That has worked so well in the past, but one can only hope that intelligence, and not fear, will rule.

    The theocratic republicans should be ashamed of themselves, but they are beyond that.

  • Ben in oakland

    He not only takes himself seriously, he has an obsession with sodomy and young men.

  • barb

    Agreed … and are turning more and more away from Christianity.. Most people do not believe that their religion should be based on hate, judgment and control over all citizens. Besides if they really believed that their God was all powerful and good , then it would not be necessary to force (legally) their beliefs upon others. It would be good and people would just flood their churches.

    Now that they are losing the power to impose their beliefs upon others they are scared that people will move away from their beliefs. Thus telling all of us that they don’t really believe what they say they believe.

  • Susan

    I agree with both of you.

  • opheliart

    Ben,

    It appears Religionists are being asked to articulate their interests in a manner less derisive. Time to grow from the usual standards and begin in dialogue expressing understanding that there are differing views not just on ‘what is God’, but also on how supreme rule (any rule) should conduct itself in divergent Society(s).

  • Larry

    bqrq, show me on the doll where the priest touched you.

  • Larry

    Without fearmongering you wouldn’t have the religious right. They began existence as the people fearing racial integration, then moved to fearing gender equality, now they fear having to recognize gay people as human beings.

    Fear is useful for getting people to vote against their economic interests. A major way the GOP appeals to the working poor while bleeding them dry at the same time.

    Its telling that Christie and Bush didn’t bother to show up to the event. Neither of them owe their careers to the social conservatives and their theocratic agenda. Walker always pandered to that group but never made it a major campaign point. Pretty much everyone in the GOP knows that someone who only appeals to the religious right will never be electable from a national POV.

  • Larry

    Hey Fran, you don’t vote anyway. Your input is useless here.

  • James Carr

    The threat to teaching or espousing Christian beliefs that run counter to “what the State teaches” is definitely real. Eight years of Obama and Hillary have laid the groundwork for discrimination against Religion, so hopefully Americans will rally around a man who can shut the liberal mouth and return the US to a strong country.

  • Doc Anthony

    Huckabee’s right. That’s all there is. He’s right.

    Christians have to prepare NOW for the trouble that lies ahead. It’s too late to pretend that Hillary won’t win the 2016 election, and it’s too late to pretend that the gay-bullying and creeping fascism is going to suddenly stop.

    The gay marriage bullying-mess is going to increase and spread into MORE states, and this includes whatever state you, the reader, happens to to live in, If you are a Christian, if you are a member of a church (or even if you’re not), the Gay Gestapo clock IS ticking on you.

    Just like with Indiana, Colorado, Oregon, Minnesota, Vermont, Southern Califcornia. Gonna be YOUR state next. Gonna be YOUR church next. Gonna be YOU next. See the real deal?

    Your constitutional religious freedom is AT RISK, right now, and you need to be seriously prepped up BEFORE the clipping begins. Stop saying, “It cant happen here.” You’re **next** on their menu !!

  • Larry

    Yes Christian Conservatives, vote for Huckabee. By all means. I wholeheartedly support such a choice.

    The man has no electability outside of the fundamentalist christian echo chamber. It means the DNC can run anybody and get the presidency. Even Joe Biden!

    Plus its ironic that Doc is supporting a man who once courted the favor of the Klan. But given Doc’s support of legalized discrimination, maybe its not so ironic.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/mike-huckabees-white-supr_b_82263.html

  • James Carr

    Agree…..except for the inevitability of a Clinton win.If she does, then any criminal can run for office without explanation of the crimes committed. Nixon quit for a lesser offense, and her hubby Bill WAS impeached for an even lesser one.Surely there are other women of character that could run.

  • Larry

    “Surely there are other women of character that could run.”

    Be prepared for a shock…..I agree with you 100%. My personal faves (who don’t appear to want to run) are Elizabeth Warren and Kirsten Gillibrand.

    That being said, the GOP candidates are like Arkham Asylum let out its charges for a year. We even have the Penguin
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Christie#/media/File:Chris_Christie_2011_Shankbone.JPG

  • Ben in oakland

    I absolutely agree. “God said it. I believe it. That settles it.” Is not an argument that is anything but derisive of other people’s beliefs and faiths.

    And when they add on, “and if you don’t agree with me, you’re persecuting me.” Not only doesn’t make the case, it invites derision.

  • Ben in oakland

    Oh, huckabee. The man who has so little faith in the constitution that he claims Christians, just like him, will be persecuted and criminalized for speaking out against sin– for every sin except of course, gluttony. The man who refuses to recognize there’s a sizable portion of Christianity that disagrees with him on so many issues so dear to his wallet and his ego, but still, absolutely, support freedom of religion. And the man who couldn’t even consider at there are a great many atheists who also support his freedom of religion.

    Like me, for example.

  • Ben in oakland

    I also agree. I would prefer to see a lot of other people as president besides Hillary, but I would prefer to see Hillary instead of ANY republican, with the possible exception of John Huntsman.

    But he will never get elected, because he’s neither insane nor a prostitute.

  • Fran

    Larry,

    This is my first post to this particular article. You are correct; I don’t vote at all because I am a theocrat, or support God’s rule over man instead of man over man. My allegiance goes to God’s kingdom or heavenly government.

    The fact that God’s kingdom will soon replace all of man’s governnents (Daniel 2:44), however, is very applicable and is “good news” that needs to be shared with all, especially now, since the major topic is “government.”

  • opheliart

    Ben >“God said it. I believe it. That settles it.”

    I suppose they could use Theology throughout the history of Christianity/RCC to argue their point. This would be interesting. Use of their Bibles is not enough as they cannot prove the originally inspired words were not mistranslated—and there are many versions—and Christians cannot agree on the books/versions. So, use of their Bible and “God said …” is not enough for the MARRIAGE debate.

  • Diogenes

    This would be amusing if it weren’t so tiresome. Demagoguery and bad faith are not limited to either party. I am persuaded that, Larry, barb, Susan, Ben, and others of their viewpoint will overcome, but only in the short run. The world that they hope for, which is one that encompasses far more than mere acceptance of gay marriage, will come about; but only for a season. That season will come at a greater cost than they imagine.

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  • Ken

    And the proof of your specious claims is what, exactly, Diseasedgenes? And why should those people be punished with a cost for their sincere statements?

  • Norm Martin

    I agree with you, the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty have stated that the gay marriage issue now before the Supreme Court is not a religious liberty issue.

  • Norm Martin

    Larry, I hope and pray your last sentence is correct. Vote young people vote. Every time I think of Republicans running on a religious platform, I think of wolves in sheep’s clothing. The fearful sheep will gather around the likes of Walker thinking he is the good shepherd protecting their faith when actually he is one of the wolves.

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