San Francisco archbishop blasts gender transitions as threat to faith

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San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone speaks with a nun after his talk on Wednesday, June 3, 2015 in New York in which he criticized "gender ideology" as a threat to society and the church." Religion News Service photo by David Gibson

San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone speaks with a nun after his talk on Wednesday, June 3, 2015 in New York in which he criticized "gender ideology" as a threat to society and the church." Religion News Service photo by David Gibson

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(RNS) Amid the national buzz over transgender celebrity Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner, San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone denounced the spread of “gender ideology” and warned that it threatens the very foundation of the church’s faith.

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  • Be Brave

    Why don’t Christians just get out of the way of secularists and allow them whatever lunacy, perversions and evil their hearts desire? None of the sickness embraced by these odd and weird individuals and groups can do anything to stain The Church. In fact a far more clear line of demarcation is just what this society is in desperate need of. How many people are actually going to want to be like Mr. Jenner anyway. Maybe when he was a role model athlete but now, what impact can he have on those who choose a better path. None.

    Why not just watch the traveling circus go by and stay away from its fans.

    The Church came out of this kind of depravity and thrived because of the reality of a better life lived in the Body of believers.

    Nothing can ever change that truth. Certainly not a surgeons blade or the gender confused mind of any “person.”

  • Be Brave

    Why don’t Christians just get out of the way of secularists and allow them whatever lunacy, perversions and evil their hearts desire? None of the sickness embraced by these odd and weird individuals and groups can do anything to stain The Church. In fact a far more clear line of demarcation is just what this society is in desperate need of. How many people are actually going to want to be like Mr. Jenner anyway. Maybe when he was a role model athlete but now, what impact can he have on those who choose a better path. None.

    Why not just watch the traveling circus go by and stay away from its fans too.

    The Church came out of this kind of depravity and thrived because of the reality of a better life lived in the Body of believers.

    Nothing can ever change that truth. Certainly not a surgeons blade or the gender confused mind of any “person.”

  • Be Brave

    Sorry for the duplicate post.

  • Ben in oakland

    You should really be asking the “good” archbishop about this.

    All of those starving children in the world, and he is upset over Caitlyn’s transition. All of those homeless people, and st. Mary’s in san Francisco installed a sprinkler system to drive them away.

  • JR

    I think this whole gender identity thing should be recategorized as a mental illnesses. No matter how much outside remodeling is done, the person remains biologically male or female. Those who change most often take on the affectations of a bad stereotype of their new sex…..like Jenner in sexy lingerie.There is just something wrong with their thinking, and now the gay community is covincing even young children that they can be turned into something else. Crazy.

  • Angela

    Wow, that was said so well. I try to teach this to my children. We are simply traveling through this world, separate from it and yet conjoined with it. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s. That means your whole life, the one He gave you, male or female and the appropriate role that entails. How can this be explained to those with ears who don’t hear and eyes that don’t see. We can simply pray that God have mercy on their souls and make us a light unto their darkness.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    And that doesn’t even address Cordileone’s likely criminal acts in 2008! Cordileone has a habit of writing letters that get him in trouble. The federal judge who revoked the 2008 California anti-gay H8te Vote had in his possession an email likely written by Cordileone to Mormon leaders in which they both agreed to violate California campaign finance laws to throw the H8te Vote by making secret, illegal cash and in-kind contributions to the H8te Vote. The email serves as proof positive they knew they were breaking the law; the email itself is an act of criminal collusion. Here is documentation about that email:

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/documents-show-close-links-between-prop-8-campaign-and-mormon-catholic-churches.html#comments

    That document is now in the possession of the United States Supreme Court.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    “Be Brave” wrote, “Why don’t Christians just get out of the way of secularists”

    You tell us, you’ve defended his other similar misdeeds. Why did Cordileone seek to insult Caitlin Jenner in public? What purpose was there in that but to express his rage and frustration that no one cares what he thinks about other people. Americans are sick and tired of this and other sad little men shrieking through the media that we all “have to” pay attention to their anti-LGBT rants.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    What you think isn’t relevant, nor is it appropriate for you to be fantasizing about Caitlin Jenner’s privates. Can’t you keep that sort of thing to yourself? However, psychologists identified homophobia as a mental illness and published their results in the Journal of the National Institutes of Health in 1953.

  • ben in oakland

    The world is not as black and white as you would make it.

    Male or female? More accurately, male, female, and a number of people in between. Google can be your friend. Try googling “intersex”. Five minutes and you will learn of a whole different world of gray.

    Appropriate role that that entails? Completely culturally conditioned. Arab men walk down the street holding hands. Try that in this country, and you can get attacked.

    Heterosexual vs. everyone else? Not really.

  • Greg1

    I’ll never eat Wheaties again.

  • Michele

    The good Bishop is not upset about Jenner’s transition. He is worried about his soul and eternal life. Yep. Our souls are eternal…even someone confused like Jenner. As for poor, hungry and homeless. The Catholic Church is the biggest charity on this planet. You do what they do and then start telling them what they need to do, okay.

  • Michele

    Maybe because we are our brothers keeper…we do have a responsibility to share the Gospel message, even more the good Bishop. We have accountability in this too. If you knew someone was going to hurt themselves..would you not intervene. Well, Jenner has hurt himself.

  • Michele

    Nonsense. No one is fantasizing Jenners genitals but Jenner, and maybe people like you. And there is no such thing as “homophobia”. That is a made up word by a group of people who want to turn society upside down and don’t care what the effects are. Selfish people to be more precise.

  • Michele

    You are born male or female. There are exceptions but gender dysphoria is not an exception. They are not born with both, like the exceptions. They have a real medical situation. These people who “feel” like a boy or girl but are a girl or a boy have mental issues. Studies have shown (John Hopkins no longer does sex reassignment) it does not help the person to have the operation. This is not therapy at all. The whole industry of sex change is unregulated too. It’s all about money. Not healing.

  • Billysees

    What if we think about these things in this manner? —

    1. Man’s ways are of the Lord, how can we understand our own ways?…….Proverbs 20:24

    2. All things are allowable, all things are lawful, all things are permissible…..1 Corinthians 6:12…..1 Corinthians 10:23

  • janelle

    http://www.sexchangeregret.com This man explains a lot about this.

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  • DougSlug

    “The clear biological fact is that a human being is born either male or female.”

    Actually, not such a clear biological fact, and the biology can be more subtle than what you see between the legs. According to the Intersex Society of North America:

    “If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won’t show up until later in life.” (This is followed by a detailed list: http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency)

    Much of society prefers that the intersex issue boils down neatly to “mental illness” or just plain “sin”, but in most cases, the state of mind is driven by the biology, not the other way around.

    If god designed the biology, he must have intended to create the intersex issues as well.

  • MarkE

    Because then you couldn’t use the differences to cause fear and outrage among your base, you couldn’t manipulate simpler minds into agreeing with your assessments and positions, and you would lose influence and power. That’s why.

  • Garson Abuita

    You know what really threatens people? Drunk driving. #potmeetkettleyoureblack

  • Charlie

    2. “All things are allowable, all things are lawful, all things are permissible…..1 Corinthians 6:12…..1 Corinthians 10:23

    Yep, even slavery. Jesus gave us instructions on how to treat our slaves. Look it up. It’s in there.

  • Diogenes

    You suggest simply paying no attention to the growing perversion taking over society? Just as you worry about the quality of the air and water you take in, Christians are concerned about the quality of society and the cultural environment we and our children live in.

  • Jack

    News flash:

    Catholic bishop defends Catholic teaching on sexuality.

    Also in the news, the head of an LGBT group in San Francisco said he disagreed with Catholic teaching on sexuality, adding, “We just don’t agree.”

    Also in the news, a spokesperson for the diocese responded by saying, “We don’t agree with their disagreement.”

    In other news, the sun rose in the east this morning, after which time a dog bit a mail carrier at 3rd and Main.

  • Jack

    Conclusion: Must be a slow news day at RNS.

  • Charlie

    This from a guy who represents a church full of pedophiles and gays.

    And believes that little wafer is really (not figuratively…really) the body of a long dead religious zealot who promised he would be back while some of his followers were still alive, and has yet to show up nearly 2000 years later.

    How much longer can religion survive? According to a recent Pew Research poll, not much longer in this country as young people are leaving the fairy land of the supernatural in droves.

    Childhood indoctrination is the most egregious sin one can commit. The Bishop may someday have to get a real job. I wonder if there are still openings for carnival barkers?

  • Dean

    “The clear biological fact is that a human being is born either male or female,” said Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco. Thank God for the Archbishop and others of the same ilk. That’s how the church reforms itself by having ill-informed people like him think they can tell others who they are. The church has a need to be ” born again” as people do. The church is here, not to tell people the truth, but to help them find their own truth.

  • Jack

    Shush, Janelle. You don’t want to be the skunk at the garden party.

    The web site, no doubt, is racist, sexist, gender-ist, species-ist, classist, capitalist, misogynistic, misanthropic, homophobic, mythophobic, judgmental, hurtful, hateful, harmful, neanderthal, anti-science, pro-big-business, anti-environmental, anti-poor, anti-progress, and…….worst of all…..the cardinal sin of sins…..(gasp!) anti-left.

    Shame on you, Janelle….off to re-education camp you go.

  • Jack

    Charlie, the message of that “long-dead religious zealot” seems to have covered much of the earth in His absence.

    Not bad for a decedent.

    It’s as though He…..ahem….lives on.

    You even measure time based on His initial visit here…..as in “2015.”

    If you lived on this earth for 20 more centuries, you wouldn’t make the impact that He did and still does.

  • Larry

    So being a Christian is an excuse from acting like a decent human being and treating others well. Any act against others is excuses if you feign some concern over their “immortal soul”.

    If the Bishop was a confidant of Jenner, you might have less chance of sounding like a nosy obnoxious fool. Hurling insults and demonizing someone is not showing love or concern.

    Your argument is dishonest bullcrap used to justify bad behavior towards others. Instead of looking for God to bail you out and give you ready made excuses, you should see how your behavior really affects others.

  • Larry

    If transgendered people are a threat to the good bishop’s faith, it speaks badly of the strength his faith.

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  • Living Water

    And Psychologists are largely known as having enough problems of their own while instructing people to lay blame upon parents and other people. The idea of taking personal accountability is a foreign language. No wonder so many Psychologists have been married and divorced several times.

  • Marilyn

    Well said Angela. We keep going farther and farther from the Word of God. I pray that there is something I would do or say that would show God’s love and the availability of forgiveness of sins to these lost people. Soon, every knee will bow to the true God, no matter what they think now.

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  • Larry

    You mean you are tired of having to acknowledge some people exist.

    Btw the “shoving down our throats” trope is one of the most ridiculous one coming out of the anti-queer crowd. It makes you guys sound like you have an oral fixation. Can you guys come up with a better phrase to overuse?

  • Larry

    I take it you probably never would have rented “Can’t Stop the Music” anyway. It features the Village People. 🙂

  • Barry the Baptist

    I love this line: “the very foundation of our teaching evaporates and nothing we have to offer will make sense.”

    It’s like he’s encouraging others to stop adjusting systems of thought to accommodate observations of reality, as if wishing the world would stay the same is sufficient to make it so.

    One can hear the death-knell of this brand of dogmatic religion in those words.

  • Tim

    “Start doing what they do”?

    So.. I can have a critiquing opinion after I spread lies, hate, and misery around the planet?

    All I have to do is condone the endemic of sexual molestation of children.. the denial of obvious fact.. and the divisive revulsion of people who think slightly different than myself?

    Just need to convince myself that vicarious redemption isn’t a horrible immoral concept.. and that sacrificing another human being will grant us all magical immunities from the wrath of the one you worship…

    THEN I can make the observation that Cordelione is unaware of actual gender birth statistics.. maybe then I can point out that telling SubSharan Africa that condoms actually give you AIDS, is a pretty vile thing to do.. or then, maybe, I could highlight how the Church’s sick obsession with sex and poverty have been a regressive weight around the neck of society for centuries?

    No thanks.. I’ll stay in 2015.. and just watch as you all become increasingly…

  • Tim

    I’m all for being clear which side of the line you fall on

    The side of decent people concerned with the well being of their neighbors.. and those of you who have been brainwashed into thinking human sacrifice grants magical powers

    By all means.. keep yourself and your barbaric beliefs on that side of the line and we’ll ALL be happier! (Well.. you won’t.. because we can see in the world around us that the more religious a state, the worse its crime, life expectancy, teenage birth rate, education, and overall quality of life, etc)

    You can keep prayer and faith.. we’ll take medicine and fact

  • Tim

    “Most” Americans (according to polls) are actually ok with treating other human beings with respect

    I could say.. first you wanted absolute submission at the point of a sword – then you wanted credit for the discoveries we made about the world around us – now you want capitulation again, when really you’re struggling for relevance

    Continue crying about homosexuals, or witches, or spooky gods all you want.. the rest of us will be busy figuring out how to make a better society without you and your antiquated ignorance

  • Tim

    LOL!

    Reality is a threat to their faith

    Knowledge and the full force of The Enlightenment are freeing young minds from these barbaric mental shackles of tribalism and divisiveness

    They will likely never completely go away.. but, I imagine in a generation.. they’ll be as relevant as those still worshiping Zues and Ra

  • Greg1

    Tell that to the American Psychological Association! They will tell you that their panel vote trumps any study on gay disorders.

  • Greg1

    Michelle, you are talking to an number of brick walls here; good luck. Even if Jesus would appear to them, they’d deny he was there.

  • Robin

    I beg to differ. Caitlyn Jenner isn’t confused at all; however Bruce Jenner was quite confused about his gender. I’m a conservative transsexual, that with the exception of celebrity status and large amounts of money, went through pretty much the same thing. I found the hate and lack of information that the dear archbishop spewed forth to be quite offensive. If only the Catholic Church would spend a great deal less money on ornamentation and less time on things of which they don’t understand then maybe they would grow in size and trust instead of shrinking into irrelevance.

  • Kathleen

    Of course this Huffington Post and the RNS would castigate the Archbishop for his views. I will leave it at that!!

  • JR

    The Church is here to profess the eternally unchanging Truth, not to revise it for public consumption. I’m sure the Cardinal is highly intelligent and a learned theologian, so his statements profess moral truth, not ideological prattle.

  • Ben in Oakland

    What an interesting choice of words! You say that WE are getting further and further away from God, and that THOSE people are lost souls who, not surprisingly, need your benign, loving, and all knowing guidance. Could it possibly be that you are the lost soul, and not gay and transgender people? Just because you don’t understand the subject, doesn’t mean that we can’t.

    One thing I’ve noticed is that religious people of a certain stripe are always full of opinions about something that they clearly know nothing about. When confronted withTHEIR lack of knowledge, their response is usually two words: “God said.”

    Maybe you should pay some more attention to what the people you despise tell you about their lives, rather than thinking that what you think you understand from a 2000 year old book is the answer to every question in the modern age.

    We are the authorities on OUR lives, not YOU.

  • Ben in Oakland

    It’s your opinion, and only your opinion, that Miss Jennifer has hurt herself. He apparently doesn’t seem to think so. Why is it that you think he needs your permission? And why do you think that you are an authority on his life?

    Your attitude is quite reminiscent of that of the slaveholders 150 years ago, who thought that the “poor, innocent, darkies” couldn’t possibly function without the guidance of the benign, white people. This was very much the attitude of rigid click Gibl couldn’t possibly function without the guidance of the benign, white people. This was very much the attitude of Rudyard Kip’ing with his “white man’s burden.”

    Simply put, you are not the authority on our lives, however much you may think that to be true. We are the authority on our lives. Especially in your remark about Jenner, you assume your moral, spiritual, and temporal authority over his life, based upon some stuff you made up about it. Please stop. Jesus had something to say about…

  • Ben in Oakland

    Sorry, my iPad autocorrected at the end, and I didn’t auto correct myself. Ms. Jenner. And she, not he, wherever the latter appears.

  • Ben in Oakland

    Whited sepulchers. You should read it.

    This commenting system STILL sucks.

  • Richard Wade

    Faith is not what he’s worried about. It’s his power that is threatened. He feels his fear-and-shame-based power over society slipping from his grasp with every variation of humanity that society finally accepts, embraces, and celebrates. If people ignore the Church’s ignorance-driven condemnations of those who are different, it has no power at all.

  • Ben in oakland

    And you are repeating this lie yet again. How many times will you need to be corrected on it before you admit that you are lying, and therefore reviling and slandering.

  • Christians used to want little boys to sing like little girls so they cut their testicles off so their voices wouldn’t mature motivated by the fact that the church didnt want woman in the church physically, let alone singing. Religious folks tend to forget their own “gender-bending” they forced on those who had no choice or were unwilling. At least now, people like Jenner, can make their own choices, as we don’t live in a theocracy, like the “church” has always wanted to do in the USA.

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