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  • brad

    cop`s are killing unarmed people all over this country why don`t we send these losers some guns and invite the cops over

  • JR

    They should not be allowed to protest. This is a private funeral with absolutely no relation to anything outside of the family’s grief. Doesn’t America have a conscious?

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Bad idea, that would make them be viewed as “martyrs” by the few remaining other anti-gays.

    Another anti-gay Hate Cult set themselves up for a “bloodbath,” but their anti-gay “attacker” lost his nerve. This “attacker” went so far in his ruse to volunteer at an LGBT community organization for a few months before their little staged “attack.” What the anti-gays didn’t figure out is that everyone at the community center said they knew he wasn’t LGBT, and the parents of the “attacker” said they knew their son wasn’t LGBT.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Yes, the Westboro anti-gays’ bad behavior does make the anti-gay political agenda look really, really bad. But that’s anti-gays for you, anti-gays have no conscience.

  • Laura H.

    As a Christian, I am embarrassed and very concerned about the message this church sends out. How do they intend to reach lost souls, by passing judgment on other people and displaying prejudice ideals? God IS love and He is the one who judges ALL of us. I think Westboro ends up causing people to be disinterested in Christianity because to look at these people and their message, it’s about hate, not love. If they are concerned about homosexuals, pray for them. Lift them up to God. Then let God do the rest. It is not our place to condemn anyone. Just their logo “Godhatesfags” speaks of their hatred, not their love for mankind. Evangelism doesn’t judge, doesn’t condemn, doesn’t hate. Evangelism is about sharing God’s love to the world, and sharing with everyone how Jesus died on the Cross for each one of us. Even the homosexual and the Jew. God has no favorites. No place for this at a funeral! Or anywhere else. God is LOVE.

  • Tired of the zealots

    Why does the press keep giving these idiots time. I bet if they stop talking about them they would stop the madness. They only want press coverage. Hey media stop covering them!

  • Bob

    43 people killed in Baltimore in May, not a single one by Police. I guess they allowed the thugs the “space to protest” that their anti-Police Mayor demanded

  • JR

    The anti-gay protestors have worn out their welcome. Few give a crap anymore. Ho hum.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    They aren’t the only anti-gays whose shrieking has done the opposite of what they wanted. One employee of the anti-gay FRC has provided the evidence he was falsely accusing LGBT Americans of doing what he himself did to his own little sisters. No one will ever again fall for that lie the FRC paid him to repeat.

  • Greg1

    When Beau Biden was living was the time to protest. There is no reason to drive the nail in the coffin once a person has passed from this life. He has now been Judged by God Almighty, and his eternal fate lies in that Judgment. It is very hard for me to understand politicians like the Bidens, who promote abortion, and the like, then want eternal rewards regardless. I can only hope that the man received a merciful Judgment.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Why bother to claim “When Beau Biden was living was the time to protest,” when you obviously came here for a similar purpose, Greg1?

    But, yes, you are correct, the Westboro Baptist Church is very, very damaging to the anti-gay political agenda.

  • gospa

    awhy do some denominations call themselves Christians when they do not know the true meaning of that title. True Christians are not bigots and do not thrive on hatred

  • Billysees


    ” True Christians are not bigots and do not thrive on hatred ”

    Of course. But many professing Christians are not aware of themselves and so don’t know what good and mature behavior really is. Their fame has probably caused this. Fame can destroy good attitudes.

    They’re why Christianity can be described as a ‘mixed bag’.

  • Patrick Kelly

    Jesus was compassionate toward people, especially in their time of suffering. Jesus also plainly says: “Stop judging, that you may not be judged.” Prayers for Beau Biden and the Biden family.

  • Greg1

    Yes, Republicans have lost their mooring.

  • labman57

    Westboro Baptist Church epitomizes everything that is wrong about modern-day Christian conservatism.

  • Lee Reeder

    Westboro Baptist Church is the church that’s the closest to acting like a criminal empire & I hope some of their people get thrown in jail as this as far as I’m concerned is the devil’s church

  • Doc Anthony

    What religion do Baptists follow? All kinds.

    If somebody says “I’m a Baptist” or even “I’m a Christian”, that could mean any kind of mess, these days. You cannot trust the usual labels anymore.

    You would have to ask the individual further questions about their belief system (if he or she permits you to do so).

    Side note: I love those food pictures that RNS uses for verification. Utterly Delicious!

  • Doc Anthony

    PS….the same goes for gay activists too. ABSOLUTELY can’t trust them.

  • The Westboro Christians following instructions.
    They claim they are letting God do the judging:

    “Judge NOT that ye be not judged” – JESUS (Matthew 7:1)

    BUT it is a PARLOR TRICK!

    “Execute them”- JESUS (Luke 19:27)
    “Hate Them” – JESUS (Luke 14:26)
    “Avoid Them” – ROMANS (16:17)
    “Do not associate with the GUILTY..” (1 Corinthians 5:11)
    “Bad company….” (1 Corinthians 15:33)
    “Do not even to eat with such a one.” (1 Corinthians 5:11)
    “Do not receive him…or greet him..” (2 John 1:10)
    “tell him his fault.” (Matthew 18:15)
    “Have nothing to do with him!” (Titus 3:9-11)
    “LET HIM BE REMOVED” (1 Corinthians 1:13)
    “In the name of Jesus..keep away from him!” (2 Thess 3:6)
    “CURSE HIM” – (1 Cor. 16:22)
    “Deem them unworthy” – JESUS (Matt 10:13)

    Christianity is the problem.
    Less Christianity is the solution.

  • Being a good, kind, useful person in this life is the objective.
    But belief in God is an IMPEDIMENT to that end.

    It is impossible to be kind and truly loving if you are a believing Christian:

    “In the name of Jesus..keep away from him!” (2 Thess 3:6)
    “CURSE HIM” – (1 Cor. 16:22)
    “Deem them unworthy” – JESUS (Matt 10:13)

    To follow these instructions necessarily means you MUST IGNORE
    the other instructions:
    “Love thy neighbor”

    Religion is an ongoing human disaster.
    Why not just try to be a nice person?
    Religion gets in the way of everything humans need: kindness, fairness and love.

  • “Start reading the Bible and OBEY” – WBC

    When a religion demands obedience and respect for its taboos in the public forum
    it is not looking for my respect, but my submission.

    And that is why all religious decrees must be mocked and laughed out of the room. Because the alternative is violence.

    I wish Christians would take a better look at Westboro Baptist Church and then look in the mirror. Westboro is what a Totalitarian Christian Nation would look like. Without a doubt!

    Giving power to religion always leads to primitive nonsense and violence.

    You want to destroy separation of church and state?
    Look at WBC and that is what you will get.

  • “What religion do Baptists follow?”

    “tell him his fault.” – JESUS (Matthew 18:15)
    “Deem them unworthy” – JESUS (Matt 10:13)
    “CURSE HIM” – (1 Cor. 16:22)
    “Execute them”- JESUS (Luke 19:27)
    “Hate Them” – JESUS (Luke 14:26)
    “They are fools!” – JESUS (Matthew 23:17)
    “They are dogs!” – JESUS (Matthew 15:26)
    “they are swine!” – JESUS (Matthew 7:6)
    “Avoid Them” (Romans 16:17)

    There is no way to make the world a better place by following Jesus.

    We all live. We all die. So try to be a nice person. – Atheist Max

  • Ben in oakland

    More reviling and slander, doc.

  • And this merits a mention, why? It’s not as if Westboro’s engaged in a novelty or they have anyone but the usual two-digit population of people without anything better to do.

    As for Biden himself, he’s a lawyer and a well-connected legacy pol who will be missed by his family and friends and perhaps by his subordinates as well. Cannot figure why it’s of interest to Westboro or Kevin Eckstrom’s Gay News. It’s cheesy of his father to arrange for a eulogy at a putatively Catholic funeral, most notably by the motormouth-in-chief, but papa Biden’s like that.

  • “Criminal empire”? They’re not the Genovese family. They’re a low-three-digit collection of collateral relatives who adhere to some screwball mix and match of theology and social thought and make themselves fodder for people looking to showcase freaks.

  • Does not mean much other than a rejection of infant baptism, creeds (as opposed to ‘statements of faith’), apostolic succession, and most of the sacraments.

  • As for the gay lobby, you can trust them to act like parasitoid wasps in the eventuality and to make use of pretty much the same tactics from start to finish as they have for 60 years. Institutions which wish to remain healthy eject them.

  • Jesus also plainly says: “Stop judging, that you may not be judged.”

    He sayeth, uttering a non sequitur.

  • Fmr Cath

    15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.
    21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ -Matthew…

  • Be Brave

    The WBC was founded by a Democrat.

    They are acting as Democrats.

    Weird and stupidly. Typical.

  • What makes you more uncomfortable? The horrible things they are shouting or the fact that everything they say is in the Bible?

  • Larry

    Jesus was full of those non sequitur people never seem to understand.

  • Larry

    You are a member of the WBC?

    I am not surprised at all.

  • Larry

    Back when Democrats supported segregation. They all became Republicans shortly thereafter.

    Why do you have to lie so badly BB, bhouldn’t the truth set you guys free?

  • Jack

    No, Brad, cops are not “killing unarmed people all over this country.” The numbers are minute and there’s no evidence that they are on any long-term rise. In any given year, you are 100 times more likely to die in an auto accident than be killed by a police officer.

    The best way of dealing with the sickos of Westboro is to shun them….or to lock them up the moment they cross the line into illegality.

  • Jack

    Westboro is a twisted cult is rightly shunned by every Christian denomination and movement in the country. You can randomly choose nearly any church in the country, walk into it, ask the pastor’s opinion of Westboro, and get a similar response.

    Churches and denominations disagree on their share of things, but on matters like Westboro, you will get near-unanimity on what a disgrace it is.

  • Jack

    Good point.

  • Jack

    Max, what would you say to the many famous people, over the past century alone, who, when asked about all the good they had done, attributed it all to the God they worshipped?

    Were they lying, Max? Do you know their hearts better than they knew their own?

    You have no idea how buffoonish you sound.

  • Jack

    Fred, the average Baptist churchgoer probably does more for their fellow human beings in a day than you do in a year. While you’re sitting on your La-Z-Boy pontificating politically, they’re out there helping the poor, the sick, and the needy, either directly or through their giving.

  • Jack

    Right, Labman, we conservatives are noted everywhere for picketing funerals of people who gave their lives for our country. Sure…..and you leftists just love the military and treated them with honor and respect after their return from Vietnam.


    What people forget is that the demented founder of Westboro was a former leftist who took his Alinsky-like agitprop with him when he took up his faux-right posture.

  • Jack

    Not so fast, Larry…..on issues beyond segregation, a very large portion of southern Democrat politicians were indistinguishable from their northern Democrat liberal counterparts. They were old FDR progressives on nearly everything else.

    The Democratic party had and has an atrociously divisive record on race relations and racial equality and justice.

    Behind yesterday’s Democratic party of slavery and segregation and today’s Democratic party of racial quotas and timetables is a racist view that denies the very premise of racial equality — that black people are fully capable of running their lives independently and productively without the help of Master or Mistress White.

    Like their segregationist political ancestors, today’s far leftists cannot look a black adult in the eye and say, “you are my equal in every way.”

  • Jack

    No, Einstein, they’re grotesquely caricaturing what’s in the Bible.

  • Larry

    OK got “Alinsky” and “Leftists. I just need “secularist” to complete my Bingo square.

  • Larry

    Jack, your take on history is one of the most ridiculous things I read here. You seem to forget the change which occurred in 1964. The Civil Rights Act was the game changer. Your take on them ends about a bit too early to be honest.

    It was called the “Southern Strategy” under Nixon and came to full bloom under Reagan. Democrat racists became Republican Bible thumping bigots.

    Overt racism had to be kept under wraps in favor of economic classism and “culture wars” for about 20 years. Its still there but now the politics of bigotry from that crowd has expanded their targets. Blacks still aren’t fooled by it as a group after so many years. They still know conservatives like yourself are just looking for excuses to demonize them.

    Every time you use the term “far left” it means you are just making crap up and relying on strawman positions.

  • Larry

    Yet for the life of me, I can’t think of a single issue you disagree with them on. Other than their favorite method of protest, they quote the same scriptures that you do on the same subjects.

  • @Jack,

    “when asked about all the good they had done, attributed it all to the God they worshipped?”

    Are you talking about Hamas, Hezbollah or Catholic Charities? They are all criminal organizations.

    I’m told Mafia Godfathers do a lot of good for Italy.

    I’m told Farrakhan’s nation of Islam – a crackpot bunch of racists – is very good at getting inner city men off drugs.

    Pope John Paul personally watched 20 Million poor Africans die of AIDS – deaths which could have been avoided (as the Pope had been informed by doctors) if he had allowed Catholic Charities to pass out condoms instead of lectures about abstinence.

    800,000 innocent Rwandans were slaughtered by machetes at the direction of Jesus Christ.

    How many soup kitchens would it take to make up for that abysmal record?

    Atheist Paul Newman saved millions of kids. As did Atheist Jonas Salk.

    You insult humanity when you claim it takes belief in fairies to do good.

  • @Jack,

    “You have no idea how buffoonish you sound.”

    YOU invoke magic fairies and you dare to say I am the one who sounds baffoonish?

    Every person who on earth has directly benefited from ATHEIST Jonas Salk – who discovered and gave away for free – the vaccine for Polio.

    Billions of people saved by one ATHEIST!
    What motivated him? He had no patience with talk of magic or gods.

    If people decided that their imaginary friend, Jesus Christ, demanded good deeds they might do those deeds along with all the despicable caveats and obstructions Jesus puts in place: “AIDS is bad but condoms are worse” – Vatican.

    Or people might decide to overlook all the JESUS caveats and obstructions and just act like decent human beings and do the right thing.

    Either way I’m on the record.
    The decision is and always was with the person who chooses to do good.

    Jesus is not the decider – he is an imaginary trouble maker.

  • Jack

    Max, nice try at obfuscation, but here are your own original words:

    “Being a good, kind, useful person in this life is the objective.
    But belief in God is an IMPEDIMENT to that end. It is impossible to be kind and truly loving if you are a believing Christian.”

    Again, Martin Luther King, Jr. and countless other faith-based leaders of the past would not agree with your silly rewriting of reality and denial of the obvious driver of their own activism. You look positively foolish when you dispute what’s blindingly obvious.

    Pope John Paul II helped free hundreds of millions of human beings from the clutches of your Soviet comrades and their fellow atheistic lackeys in satellite states.

    I will take John Paul II over your knuckle-dragging gang of soulless brutes any time. One is about freedom, the other slavery.

  • Exactly.

    Belief in God is an impediment to being a good, kind person.

    God demands you serve his will.
    Not the needs of humans.

    And before you tell me those goals are the same take a look at who is following ‘God’s wishes:
    ISIS, Al Queda, Hezbollah, Catholic Bishops, Catholic Popes, Catholic clergy, Imams, Hindus…

    Ask them this question – “What is the proper role of a woman?”
    And if you have the slightest humanity,
    their answers in deference to their God’s wishes – should profoundly disgust you!

    Belief in God guarantees that you will stick AT LEAST 50% of all human beings (all women) into a second class status.
    This destroys women every day – and it is also damaging to their men as it infantilizes them and degrades their humanity.

  • There is no number of people ‘helped by religion’ – however large you want to claim – which compares to the DAILY ASSAULT and degradation of 3.5 BILLION women (one half of the entire population on earth) caused by those same religions!

    Religion is first and foremost an assault on all human intellect.
    Second, it is an assault on all women.

  • Jack

    Larry, consider Senator Fulbright or, a half-century earlier, Woodrow Wilson. These Democratic racists were on the left, not right. They were the same as their northern Democratic counterparts outside of race issues.

    The South’s real move into the GOP column didn’t happen until well into the 1970s — really not until the 1980 election — and the issues then were about culture, not race — abortion, school prayer and the like.

    Nixon’s 1972 landslide went beyond any southern strategy, as he won virtually every state — even states that normally never go GOP….because he conned the nation through wage-and-price controls into thinking that we were having noninflationary prosperity and through smoke and mirrors that peace was at hand in Vietnam.

    Meanwhile, by the turn of the century, Republicans in Deep South Alabama, home of George Wallace, were voting for black Republican Alan Keyes for president in their caucus.

  • Jack

    Larry, even you know better than that. These people are despicable fascists who want to kill people, and they were started by an atrocious clown who lurched from radical left to radical right.

  • @Jack,

    Furthermore, religion attacks homosexuality and homosexuals are under constant pressure in almost every society thanks to mindless religious decrees against it. Science tells us 10% of humanity has always been homosexual.

    That means 750 MILLION people in the world are given a lower status than women – and worse.

    That is almost one Billion gay people under threat by vicious religious decrees – the same religions which you claim are so good for humanity! Add that to the 3.5 Billion women who are expected by religious decree to be nothing more than doormats for their men and you have only glimpsed the enormity of Religion’s harms.

    The guilt imposed on Millions of masturbators would be laughable were it not so incredibly harmful to mental health!

    Religions ‘missons to the poor’ are disastrous and regressive anyway. They discourage birth control, promote overpopulation and preach that poverty is a virtue. What a disgrace!

  • @Jack,

    “Atrocious clown”

    Jesus himself.

    Examine religions – how have they performed?
    Proof of a bad philosophy is very simple: When followed bad ideas always leads to disaster.

    Westboro Baptist is one such disaster. Another is Roman Catholicism. Another is Sunni Islam. Another is Shiia Islam.
    Want more? Stalinist Messianism, Hirohoto cult of the sun god, Pol Pot Messianism, Hitlerian Christian Aryan Messianism, etc….

    But Atheism works:
    “Congress shall make no law establishing a religion…”

    Finally a sign of real hope in human history.

  • Larry

    “consider Senator Fulbright or, a half-century earlier”

    And ignore the massive fundamental change that came thereafter? Why bother? It would not be an honest representation of history to ignore such things.

    “Culture” was a way to hide bigoted agendas behind more innocuous rhetoric and to get poor whites to vote against their economic interests. Except now it explicitly includes gays, and foreigners as direct targets more than in the last 20 years or so.