Mormons respond to Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage

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Three men celebrate outside the Stonewall Inn in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of New York, June 26, 2015, following the announcement that the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled that the U.S. Constitution provides same-sex couples the right to marry in a historic triumph for the American gay rights movement.  REUTERS/Mike Segar - RTX1HXY1

Three men celebrate outside the Stonewall Inn in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of New York, June 26, 2015, following the announcement that the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled that the U.S. Constitution provides same-sex couples the right to marry in a historic triumph for the American gay rights movement. REUTERS/Mike Segar – RTX1HXY1

This morning the Supreme Court handed down a 5-4 ruling that the Constitution guarantees all persons the right to marriage, including same-sex marriage. The decision is being hailed by many as a landmark civil rights victory.

Not by the LDS Church, however, which issued a short statement to reiterate its previously outlined position:

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints acknowledges that following today’s ruling by the Supreme Court, same-sex marriages are now legal in the United States. The Court’s decision does not alter the Lord’s doctrine that marriage is a union between a man and a woman ordained by God. While showing respect for those who think differently, the Church will continue to teach and promote marriage between a man and a woman as a central part of our doctrine and practice.”

Not all Mormons agree with the Church’s official position on this issue, however, myself included. For me, receiving this news today was a blessed culmination of years of praying and writing about this issue. I want to take to the streets in joy! (However, I’m at a conference today and will only be able to squeeze in my celebrations in carefully prescribed fifteen-minute intervals between meetings. I’ll be the one having a Pride march from session to session.)

But . . . people! Marriage equality in every state in the United States of America! I have tears in my eyes. My friends who are LGBT will be able to marry, and have those marriages recognized, everywhere in our country. Their marriages will enjoy equal protection under the law.

The first responses are coming through from Mormons who, like me, have been working and praying for this day.

Here is a statement from Spencer W. Clark, the executive director of Mormons for Equality.

This is a beautiful day for so many families and we applaud the Court’s ruling. But our work is not done. Alongside changing the laws, we must continue to change hearts.

For over two decades Mormons have feared – and fought – civil marriage equality. It will take time to overcome and repent of our past, but as we’ve seen already, the more that we come to know same-sex couples and their children, the more we discover that our fears were misplaced.

Mormons believe in the importance of families, and for increasing numbers of Mormons, that means all families.

I’m thankful for this historic victory. And I look forward to being part of the work to continue to change hearts.

  • LDSMAn

    I pray that Prophet Monson will disregard this. This ruling will ruin our religion. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

  • LDSMan

    Jana, You should be ashamed of yourself of promoting an lifestyle which is abomination of God. Maybe its time that you face a disciplinary committee and have your status of Temple recommendation reviewed or at the most revoked.

  • Anne

    Jana, thank you for your thoughtful post. I feel the same way relative to the church’s position. I pray for softened hearts. I appreciate Elder Christofferson’s words that no church members will be disciplined for supporting same sex marriage. Hopefully local leadership will fall in line behind that direction. One of the challenges of our lay ministry is the wide range of shepherding styles of bishops and stake presidents. I hope they will choose to support congregants in the exercise of their agency and in according with Elder Christofferson’s direction.

  • LDSman

    I hope that the silent majority will keep to our motto to be family friendly with one man and one woman. Not one man and one man which is clearly an abomination of God. The Homosexual agenda is threatening to ruin our religion. Those in the silent majority must not cave into the secular Homosexual agenda.

  • Wayne Dequer

    LDSMan,

    We all certainly have the right to express our own opinions on the internet. Here is my personal view on your call for disciplinary action against Sister Reiss.

    Only a few within the LDS faith are called to be Common Judges in Israel. If you stood in that position to Sister Riess you would Not be making this statement on the internet. The rest of us largely need to withhold judgement of our brothers and sisters. It is a commandment of our faith to withhold judgement (for example see D&C 64:8-11 and Matt 7:1-5).

    I too disagree with some of Sister Reiss’ views on same-sex marriage. However, when we disagree we should state our disagreements without condemning and demonizing individuals. Reasonable individuals can differ from each other on a number of topics especially those involving political viewpoints.

  • LDSman

    It sounds like Elder Christofferson is starting to cave in to the secular Homosexual agenda.

  • Wayne Dequer

    LDSman,

    I share some of your concerns, but the sky is not falling. On October 16, 2014, in response to another U.S. Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage, the Church responded with a 2 paragraph statement. The first paragraph is very much like their statement today. The second paragraph said the following: “Nevertheless, respectful coexistence is possible with those with differing values. As far as the civil law is concerned, the courts have spoken. Church leaders will continue to encourage our people to be persons of good will toward all, rejecting persecution of any kind based on race, ethnicity, religious belief or non-belief, and differences in sexual orientation.”

    Of all the values of the gospel the most important is the Pure Love of Jesus Christ — Charity. At times like this it is wise to review 1 Corinthians 13, 3 Nephi 11:29, and probably John 14:27.

  • Fred M

    Pretty sure LDSMan is just trolling. Does anybody really use that “Adam and Steve” line???

  • Geoff – Aus

    LDS man, What evidence do you have that homosexuality and gay marriage are not in line with the Gospel of Christ. They are obviously not in line with your understanding of it but..

    I am also an LDS man, I have been on missions for 10 years of my life and served continually, and am not aware of any scripture, or modern revelation that shows that God is not happy to have us all treated equally. You may want to look at the other verses in the chapter in the old testament to see whether you agree with any of them let alone all, so why this one. I have just been in Rome, Ephesus, and Corinth, and I think any references in the new testament that you think refer to homosexuality, are referring to heterosexual males.

    That Mormons would be so sure God opposed any marriage except where one man married one woman, is difficult to comprehend.

    My wife and I were delighted to hear the news. We hope now that this issue will not be mentioned again in conference, and will fade into the…

  • LDSman

    The Church’s doctrinal position is clear: Sexual activity should only occur between a man and a woman who are married.Engaging in homosexual behavior is in conflict with the “doctrinal principle, based on sacred scripture … that marriage between a man and a woman is essential to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

  • LDSMan

    The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html#ixzz3eELbmODG

  • LDSMan

    Dear Wayne,

    You may be correct that I went a little to, she needs to acknowledges herself as the Liberal wing of the LDS church. her viewpoints are corrosive and damaging our religion.

  • gInac

    And God told Joseph Smith to marry 32 women including underage girls – – lol. The Mormon church is clearly based on the lies, deception, and the make believe story of its con artist founder Joseph Smith a false prophet if there every is one. “Lying for the lord” is part of Mormonism’s larger deceptive tactics and The Mormon Faith its doctrine and tenets, stands as the most preposterous and ridiculous religion ever because it can be demonstrated to be completely false.

  • Geoff _ Aus

    Won’t it be wonderful to get to the judgement bar and see whether the Lord is more concerned about whether we lived his commandment to love our fellow men, or found excuses not to love some?

    All the scriptures can be seen differently. None seem to me to supersede the direct commandment to love our fellow men.

  • LDSMan

    I remember when I first was baptized into the church, getting all my Priesthood certificates and Temple recommendation the one universal question by my Bishop and Stake Presidents. The universal question they asked me was ” Have you ever been a Homosexual”? There had been a reason to ask me that question. I was even asked by the Bishop’s brother during my interview process when joining the Church whether I supported Proposition 8 .

  • LDSMan

    I am not a homosexual by a long shot but that was part of the questioning process.

  • Ben in oakland

    It’s so easy to damage your religion, isn’t it? All you have to do is disagree, and the Lords word gets tossed out the window. Doesn’t say much for your religion does it?

  • Geoff – Aus

    @11.37 you give a definition of chastity that only appeared after the church got into opposing gay marriage. Until then it was as it is in the endowment, to only have sexual relations with the man or woman to whom you are legally married. Hopefully now that the politics have ended we can revert to this definition, which includes all who are legally married.

    I have never had homosexuality raised in a temple recommend, but have discussed it afterward and still got my recommend.

    I don’t expect to persuade you but might point out that the scriptures you quote don’t hold up. Genesis does not condemn homosexual activity but does condones offering your daughters for rape. In the same chapters of Leviticus there is v19 that you may not see your wife naked when she has her period, hope we all get equally worked up about that one, and in v9 of 20 every one that curseth his father or mother shall be put to death.

  • Keith

    You must just put out that kind of vibe. I’ve lived 64 years on this earth and no one has ever asked me that question either inside or outside of the church.

  • Joel

    “The universal question they asked me was: ‘Have you ever been a Homosexual?'”

    How embarrassing. You’d think fighting homosexuality is Mormonism’s raison d’être.

  • Danny S

    If ending the earthly practice of polygamy, which had been taught as essential to attaining the Celestial Kingdom by the then living “prophets” did not ruin the church, this will hardly do so.

  • Sylvia

    with a photo of us in front of scotus on the church websites… which i have corrected by rainbowfying on fb!

  • LDSMan

    I seriously doubt that.

  • LDSMan

    Well here is some New Testament verses on homosexuality

    Matthew 19:1-8 — Did Jesus say anything about homosexuality? Of course, when asked about marriage, Jesus issued a sweeping condemnation of all sexual relationships outside of the male/female model established in Gen 1:27, which he specifically cited.

    Romans 1:18-32 —Though most of the passages deal with the male perspective, for the first time there is a specific mention of female homosexuality. And as the verdict comes in, we discover it too is a depraved condition brought on by a sinful nature.

    1Cor 6:9-11—The only passage of scripture that clearly acknowledges former (ex) homosexuals in the church. They are listed along with other ex-sinners who have been changed by the power of Christ. It is certain that Pastor Paul knew there were former homosexuals in his local church and he celebrated their freedom in Christ Jesus. With a completely different tone in comparison to the volume of harsh, negative…

  • LDSMan

    Galatians 5:19 — Many areas that the apostle traveled to take the gospel indeed were very accepting of homosexual practices, yet he did not back away from communicating the sinfulness of such practice. Corinth, Ephesus and Rome as well as other major cities of the ancient world, were all too often cesspools of all forms of sexual immorality. Undeterred, Paul drew from sources familiar to him and forged them with New testament teachings of God’s grace to forgive and cleanse. In the letter to the Galatians, he teaches that the “works [not plurality] of the flesh are manifest. The flesh or sinful human nature is always considered and enemy to God.

    Ephesians 5:3-7— Paul repeats his warnings against “uncleaness” to the church at Ephesus.

    Colossians 3:5-7 — Paul issues his third warning against “uncleaness” to the church at Colosse. This time he adds instructions on overcoming/controlling the sin. Believers are to mortify or deaden themselves and exercise self control (a

  • Wayne Dequer

    Dear LDSMan,

    I agree that Sister Reiss certainly seems politically liberal. I cringe at labeling liberal and conservative wings of the LDS faith much less characterizing liberals as “corrosive and damaging [to] our religion.” The Gospel, and even the Church, are much more important than political labels (see http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/official-statement/political-neutrality ).

    It is far too easy to mistake the thrill of political enthusiasm for the whisperings of the Holy Ghost. We need to avoid being lead astray by the rhetoric of others and ourselves. Whoever takes the precepts of men to excess can get out of step with the Gospel. We need to be united by our discipleship to our Savior and our efforts to follow the whispering of the Holy Ghost, rather than divided by politics and divisive labels. This is especially important as the world becomes more polarized as the latter-days progress.

  • LDSMan

    We see Jesus’ condemnation of Sodom and Gomorrah (Matthew 10:15), and we know that homosexuality was involved in those two cities. We see Jesus confirming the heterosexual marriage pattern by citing where God made Adam and Eve, male and female (Matthew 19:4-6). Jesus mentions divorce in the context of male and female (Matthew 19:9; Mark 10:11-12)–not male and male or female and female.

  • Geoff – Aus

    Mathew which is the only scripture quoting the Saviour says nothing about homosexuality or gay marriage, unless you believe; if 2+2 =4 then 3+1 cant =4.

    As I said I have recently been in that region and one of the gods the romans worshipped and built temples to (and the Greeks and whole region), was Eros, and Aphrodite which were worshipped with sex, of any type they could conceive, and in public or private. Paul was obviously not happy with this, non jewish attitude to sex, and any non jewish converts come with this background. These were not homosexuals they were the whole populace.

    Won’t it be wonderful when we can leave this phase behind us, and move on to patriarchy. Soon we will have the members worthy/loving enough for the second coming. “all are alike unto God black and white, bond and free, male and female, gay and straight” I added the last one because it wasn’t an issue then for them to do it but it should be included.

  • LDSMan

    Mathew which is the only scripture quoting the Saviour says nothing about homosexuality or gay marriage”

    Romans 1:18-32 —Though most of the passages deal with the male perspective, for the first time there is a specific mention of female homosexuality. And as the verdict comes in, we discover it too is a depraved condition brought on by a sinful nature.

    1Cor 6:9-11—The only passage of scripture that clearly acknowledges former (ex) homosexuals in the church. They are listed along with other ex-sinners who have been changed by the power of Christ. It is certain that Pastor Paul knew there were former homosexuals in his local church and he celebrated their freedom in Christ Jesus. With a completely different tone in comparison to the volume of harsh, negative reaction to the unrepentant homosexuality, scripture here ends with the tremendous hope and goodness of God.

    Galatians 5:19 — Many areas that the apostle traveled to take the gospel indeed were very…

  • Keith

    How would you explain this highly unusual interest in your sexual orientation then? Whether you realize it or not, such questions are not the norm for the rest of us.

  • Old Guy

    @LDSMan: “The Church’s affirmation of marriage as being between a man and a woman “neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility toward gays and lesbians.”

    You seem to have skipped over this part. Your own LDS church leaders have commanded you to show love, kindness, acceptance and respect to LGBT folks. Calling them an abomination and saying they will ruin the church is disobedient.

  • EG

    Thanks to the Supreme Court Justices acting like activists, this decision has brought on ramifications that will take decades to straighten out.
    A whole new can of worms has been opened.

  • Shawn

    I believe it was Joseph Fielding Smith that had said ” Live in the world not of the world . If You are following doctrine as prescribes what should it matter what everyone else is doing. IF you are following doctrine and living the way Heavenly Father commands us, then you should have nothing to worry about. We were all given free agency to make our own decisions and we must all stad before God and answer to Him for those decisions. If you live your life righteously then what would it matter what everyone else is doing. It sounds and looks to me that LDSMan is just using this for propaganda or to get attention for his own self righteousness. I have been in the church my entire life and not once has a bisop ever asked if I were homosexual as a question for a temple recommend. The notion is perposterous that ANY bishop would ask that question at all.

  • LDSMan

    Liberals are corrosive to everything to society.Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension

  • LDSMan

    The Supreme Court killed Democracy and the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution and states rights.

  • LDSMan

    I was asked how did I vote on Proposition 8

  • LDSMan

    Shawn,

    I come from a really conservative ward and that discussion was asked of me. Every ward is different. Some are very conservative and some are very liberal.

  • Wayne Dequer

    LDSMan,

    Again we are all privileged to express our opinions on the internet. However, some members of the Church, on the left and on the right, seem to become personally critical of general authorities who suggest gospel ideas that offend their particular political sensibilities. The comment under discussion were made by Elder Christofferson in an interview on Jan. 29, 2015 available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJ6gL_xc-M . Elder Oaks was also present.

    The general authorities are Not infallible. However, I sustained Elder Christofferson as a Prophet, Seer and Revelator before and after his comments. They make good sense to me and seem to be sound gospel doctrine.

    As I have said before: “We need to be united by our discipleship to our Savior and our efforts to follow the whispering of the Holy Ghost, rather than divided by politics and divisive labels. This is especially important as the world becomes more polarized as the latter-days progress.”

  • Wayne Dequer

    LDSMan,

    How exactly do you define liberalism which is “a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension”?

    I remember being in a meeting a few years ago in which now recently deceased Elder L. Tom Perry was training leaders. He commented that both Harry Reid and Glenn Beck were members in good standing and temple recommend users. Now, I certainly don’t agree with all the political views of either of these fine men and brethren, but I would have no problem with standing in a temple prayer circle with either one of them.

    I find it instructive to review the official announcement by the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve on the results of the last U.S. Presidential election. It is found at http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/statement-on-election-result . We can and should put forward our beliefs clearly. However, the practice of marginalizing and demonizing those with whom we disagree is contrary to the Gospel of Jesus…

  • Keith

    The correct answer to such a question is “None of your business”.

  • Nick

    Geoff – Are you suggesting that the church does not teach against homosexuality? That it is acceptable?
    Yes I agree we need to love ALL people regardless. And treat all people kindly. But are you saying that there is no doctrine or modern revelation against homosexuality? Have you read the “The Divine Institution of Marriage” put out by the church? That should answer any question about their official stance.

  • Old Guy

    I never heard of this either, in in the most conservative wards. I think the bishop might be picking up on something. Another clue is that you seem really obsessed about it, and think about it a lot. Sometimes people use religious fervor in an attempt to suppress latent homosexual feelings they are conflicted about.

  • LDSMan

    That Was So Funny I Forgot to Laugh!!!

  • Maddy

    “Local church leaders interview a member who seeks a temple recommend to confirm that the member’s actions and beliefs are in harmony with church teachings. Church leaders use a list of questions that are provided for this purpose and are instructed not to add any additional requirements. A leader may choose not to issue a recommend if the member repeatedly acts in clear, open and deliberate public opposition to the church or persists in teaching false doctrine.”

    Source: LDS Church spokesman Cody Craynor

  • LDSMan

    I am calling them an abomination based on Scripture

  • Geoff – Aus

    Am I correct in thinking the response to this change has more to do with your politics than religion, and that the religious explanations are the justification for your political views?

    Though I see figures saying young republican support equality, so only older, or more conservative Republicans.

    As many Mormons are fairly conservative we have this problem

  • LDSMan

    Its a matter of principle than politics..

  • Geoff – Aus

    It only seems the more conservative have that particular principle. So a political principle?

  • Larry

    “Yes I agree we need to love ALL people regardless. And treat all people kindly.”

    But you don’t agree with putting such ideas in practice and are looking for an excuse not to do so. Because “loving the sinner/hating sin” in actual practice is indistinguishable from hating the person and treating people badly.

  • Larry

    If you lived in 1865 that would be the case. But we have a little thing called the 14th Amendment and Article 6 Clause 2 which not only say that states will never be the last word on the subject of personal liberties but that the Supreme Court is the last word on any given subject in front of them.

    LDSman, why do you hate America and rule of law so much?

  • Larry

    But not denying it. Hmmmmm

  • KLee

    No just wait until your ” prophet”/is told gay marriage is acceptable then you will believe like the usual sheeple, similar to the 70s when your “prophet” got the OK for black people to hold the priesthood. BTW your so called church should be taxed as you used your tithes to hold down gay rights and further your agenda # Mormons figure it out. You are full of threats leave Jana alone your not greater in the eyes of the lord then that woman so shut it ! Temple recommend you Sir are hilarious. God loves everyone unfortunately even bigoted people like you Pay Lay Ale dude!

  • SanAntonioRob

    Just proved yourself a troll. There are several questions that are “universal” to all LDS baptisms, interviews for priesthood advancements, and temple recommends – not just one. The ONLY one that has anything to do with sex is “Do you obey the Law of Chastity”. Period.

    You had some people going there for a bit, though.

  • ThomasT

    Jana’s problem will not go away. By a vote of 15 to 0 apostles and prophets (First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve–God’s supreme court on earth) 20 years ago published their opinion of divine law on the subject in The Family: A Proclamation to the World. All of the current members of these divine supreme courts have reaffirmed that marriage is between a man and a woman and that the divine law to multiply and replenish the earth remains in effect. A person who believes that God’s law changes because of what is pop in one part of one tiny world during one tiny time in history in a universe of trillions of worlds and trillions of centuries is way off the reality map. I could explain all the reasons why the SCOTUS decision is legally in error, or why changing the meaning of words like marriage should worry everybody, but it would not matter to those who want a legal win at any cost. So, I will just reiterate this: All latter day prophets 16-0, all living apostles 14-0.

  • KLee

    Because the church has a political agenda and why on earth do you need to explain your actions to another man when the LORD is all knowing ? Just think about it.

  • KLee

    OK people the earth is replenished and who on earth can say the LORD is not a progressive LORD? No one because no one really knows. The number of versus telling us to love one another far outweighs the number of scriptures prohibiting same sex relations. The scriptures are there ( not talking about the Joesph Smith copied versus) but the one and only true scripture we are to love one another anything else is an abomination.

  • Fred M

    Well, 150 years ago you had a unanimous and very different definition of marriage from the apostles and prophets, involving one man and several women. Plural marriage was a divine and eternal principle practiced by almost all of them. And then because it became very unpopular in one part of one tiny world during one tiny time in history, the law changed.

    Yes, the Church leadership is currently one hundred percent against same sex marriage. Just as they once were one hundred percent against interracial marriage. But things change. That is the beauty of a church built on revelation. I’m not holding my breath for change…but it is possible. Only time will tell.

  • LDSMan

    You bring up good points. Jana needs to acknowledge herself that she comes from the liberal wing of the LDS which she has steadfastly refused

  • pfk1973

    How about real marriage equality

    1. I want to marry two women
    2. I want to marry a 6 year old girl
    3. I want to marry my dog

    Where does it end?

  • AM

    The 6-year-old and the dog are unable to consent to marriage. That’s where it ends. The two women may not have complete information or may be acting under coercion. I don’t feel good about that one either. Let it end.

  • LDSMan

    Its a slippery slope.

  • Billy

    In 20 years the prophet will receive a revelation from god that gay is ok now. Just like what happened with polygamy and the racial policy.

    It’s really too bad we have to wait that long. Especially for the lgbt children that are forced into this organization. They face years of fear, shame, and self loathing. Hopefully not too many kill themselves because the church drags it’s feet.

  • LDSMan

    The Formal End to Judeo-Christian America
    Dennis Prager | Jun 30, 2015

    The U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling on the redefinition of marriage seals the end of America as the Founders envisioned it.

    From well before 1776 until the second half of the 20th century, the moral values of the United States were rooted in the Bible and its God.

    Unlike Europe, which defined itself as exclusively Christian, America became the first Judeo-Christian society. The American Founders were Christians — either theologically or culturally — but they were rooted in the Hebrew Scriptures. Even Americans who could not affirm traditional Christian or Jewish theology affirmed the centrality of God to ethics. Americans, from the Founders on, understood that without God, there is no moral truth, only moral opinion — and assumed that those truths were to be gleaned from the Bible more than anywhere else.

    Beginning with the Supreme Court’s ban on nondenominational school prayer in 1962, the…

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  • Don Nelson

    If you go back to the 1850 census and marriage records men did marry women12, 13 years of age. With the consent of their parents this was common place. I am sorry to say you are one misguided, ignorant fool. If you took the time to read the scriptures and pray about them and sincerely seek an answer then you would find joy and peace in the gospel and know for sure that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. You can never even approach even one thousandth of what the Prophet accomplished in his short life span. Pray for forgiveness.

  • D. Ann

    Read Supreme Court Justice Scalia’s scathing comments on the ruling, and also the other 3 who voted no. Scalia exclaimed that the totally unrepresentative committee of 9 have no right to make such a decision sans the representative government (ie., Congress, or a vote of the people of America). All 9 graduated from one of 2 expensive law schools, all but 1 lived in coastal cities, and I believe he said 4 are from New York City. Not 1 Protestant among them, although Protestants constitute about 1/2 of all Americans. This is a horrible president, and actually illegal. As for the LDS church, they should be afforded the freedom and respect YOU demand, and be permitted to teach what they believe, and express their beliefs freely as you demand to be able to do, without discrimination or punishment. Is this not America? Do we not have freedom of speech and religion? If not, watch out, because we are ALL in a pot of hot water and will at some point be very very sorry.

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  • Dallas Collet

    How about the Statement on Families?

  • Dallas Collet

    Be still. Let the leaders talk for the church, not you.

  • Jerry Krause

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