• Larry

    The Satanic Church will be so disappointed. Now their monument has to be nixed as well. 🙁

  • doug Fitzpatrick

    Everthing that affends anyone should b removed from all government buildings. Including all things made from slave child labor. Oh wait ther not black or gay so they don’t matter. Sorry

  • Greg1

    Oh, this is just pathetic. We have a president who travels on taxpayer money to visit a church in Charleston SC, to proclaim the great works of God that Pastor Pickney did, barking out “Amazing Grace,” etc. etc. etc, all done on the taxpayer’s dole. Yet not a single Leftist complained. I didn’t even hear Atheist Max complain; in fact he praised the president for wasting our taxpayer money on religion. Then we have this monument. One thing I will say is that no sinner wants to be reminded of the realities of his/her sinful life, so this they take great offense at. But of course it is merely a proclamation of the void between their ears. What is the old saying? “an empty barrel makes the most noise?” That is spot on. But anyway, I would say at this point our nation has become a lawless nation because of the Leftists, so let’s all do this together now. “No more doing what the law requires, as they have turned to meaningless words on paper.” Can we all say AMEN!

  • Ro Na

    Bad mouthing religion has backfired and people are now spiritual instead of
    Biblical. It doesn’t matter how “spiritual” people are if they aren’t Biblical they
    are still lost/headed for hell. If you say you love Jesus then do not follow the
    Bible/religion no Truth is in you! We don’t follow Bible/Ten Commandments
    to be saved but we follow them cause we are saved. Romans 1:18-32 also
    1 Corinthians 5,6 and 7 plus Luke 13 make it very clear that people who still
    get drunk,gossip,gamble,be mean/do not bridle their sharp tongue,still covet
    and/or are jealous,greedy,sleep around/have premarital sex will all go to hell.

    Takin the Lords name in vain and people who say something mean and then
    laugh after like that makes it okay or they say “I was just joking” to cover it up
    are all also wrong as well/too! Bible says Repent or perish! We must Repent!

    luagh

  • labman57

    That does it! The downfall of the Confederate flag, the preservation of ACA federal subsidies, expansion of gay marriage rights, reaffirmed voting rights, resurrected abortion clinics, reduced gerrymandering, mandatory vaccinations, and now this.

    The “end of times” is definitely upon us. Thanks Obama.

  • Fran

    There is no surprise with this situation since the world’s political systems will soon put an end to the world empire of false religion (a/k/a Babylon the Great, the harlot– Revelation 17:16-17).

    Events today are certainly leading to that taking place.

  • JR

    Amen, I say, Greg! The government has become a pussy on even tame issues like the public display of the Ten Commandments. They have historically been linked to our basic laws and I’m certain that few people stand before these monuments and discuss their contents. So we risk the Satanists putting up a nod to their beliefs. Legislators should just say “No” and move on. Which of the commandments insults man’s natural intelligence? None. Which religion boasts the most members in this country, and which religion was this country built around? Christianity. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and Muslims all relate to these Ten Commandments. They are not for only the religious, but for a moral society. It is amazing how all of a sudden these rules have become so threatening to the peace in our land. Politicians are spineless creeps.

  • Larry

    You know this whole thing could have been resolved much sooner if the OK legislature didn’t look for stupid excuses to deny the Hindu and Satanic monuments. Instead of taking down one monument, there would be at last 3.

    See Fundies, this is why you can’t have nice things.

  • Larry

    You know this whole thing could have been resolved much sooner if the OK legislature didn’t look for stupid excuses to deny the Hindu and Satanic monuments. Instead of taking down one monument, there would be at least three.

    See Fundies, this is why you can’t have nice things.

  • JR

    But why do you Witnesses just sit by and smirk? God expects you to be involved in shaping a moral society, such as voting for candidates that will preserve religious rights. Yet you all sit by and repeat’, “Oh, we knew this was coming!”. If all religious never voted, ever, just who would be in charge of society? What would we be forced to endure needlessly? Certainly God expects more than knocking on doors and waiting for Judgement Day…..

  • samuel johnston

    In a 7-2 ruling, the justices said the monument was in violation of Article 2, Section 5 of the Oklahoma Constitution. The article states that public money or property cannot be used or donated “ … for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system of religion … ”
    The wording is critical because the monument was purchased with private donations but placed on public land.
    Well JR and Greg1, do you not wish to render unto Caesar? Government land is Caesar’s.

  • Greg J

    What if we vote, contribute in the discussions of solutions, and endure purposely with those who disagree with us?
    Avoid foolish arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. You may be sure such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned. Paul.
    Welcome to judgement day.

  • Fran

    JR,

    I am just following the example that Jesus set while he was on earth, NOT getting involved in politics and wars, which most of today’s religions are involved with.

    Knowing that God’s kingdom (a major theme of Jesus’ teachings–Matthew 4:17) will soon put an end to all of man’s burdensome political, judicial and economical systems (Daniel 2:44) gives me true peace of mind now in these very troubled times.

    Oh, by the way, happy Tuesday, my Friday! ?
    God’s government will put an end to all that now ails us, which man’s governments won’t and can’t do. Putting trust in man and his governments is like putting your trust in a sinking ship, which I refuse to do. But you can put your trust in them if you want to… I won’t stop you.

  • Bill

    It is one thing for a president to speak at various different religious settings – Christian, Muslim, etc. It is another for a government agency to support one particular religion, yet put a hold on anything representing any other religion. The former is constitutional. The latter is bigotry. Frankly, there is very little support for the US Constitution in the south these days. You remember, the constitution that grants freedom of religion? If a particular religious freedom is offered to one, it must be offered to all. True constitutional governments don’t favor one religion over another. Some of our governors and AG’s should have been pastors rather than public servants. I don’t want to go to a Christian ‘church’ when I go to a government office.

  • Ben in oakland

    Apparently, yet once more, you are unable to tell the difference between a personal expression of religious belief, and a government endorsement of that religious belief. As a man and a citizen, Mr. Obama is quite entitled to his religious beliefs, to express them and follow them as he will. That’s freedom of religion. A Ten Commandments monument, placed by the government on public lands, is an endorsement of religious belief by the government. The court found the placement to be inconsistent with the obvious intent of the Oklahoma constitution.

    Why do you hate freedom of religion so much?

  • Greg1

    Bill: if the president wants to go and speak at a Charleston church touting Christian principles, then he can pay for Air Force 1, security, travel from the airport, meals, etc, out of his own pocket. If he repays that 2 million or so dollars, then I will be okay with the removal of the Ten Commandments.

  • Greg1

    Because the Left has driven us into the land of the barber pole, where everything is twisted. Even Hillary’s campaign logo has her moving Right.

  • Greg1

    What is interesting is that in John 4:43-54, Jesus heals the government official’s son, yet doesn’t say to him, “you must leave your office in order for me to perform a miracle for you.” The JW’s have a very very odd interpretation of Scripture. But then again, so do the Seventh Day Adventists.

  • Greg1

    Samuel, words mean very little anymore to our Extreme Court. It really doesn’t matter what Article 5 Section 2 says, as it is more about “emotion” now. The Supremes have set a new precedent to follow, and now we know that what is written is only a portion of the law, and that we need to inject emotion into the interpretation. And since the removal of this would cause public disruption, then it needs to stay in place.

  • Be Brave

    Ben,

    That’s a fascinating statement coming from a man that is unable to tell the difference between a personal expression of sex acts, and a government endorsement of those sex acts. Wherever the rainbow flag flies, it is only representing the sexual behavior of a group of people that have chosen to engage in homosexuality or bi-sexuality, or to change genders, which of course is sexual as well.

    There should definitely be a VERY, VERY, high wall of separation of sexual behavior and state. But that just won’t do for the “agenda” now will it.

  • Be Brave

    If Fran is a JW, she isn’t part of The Church anyway. She’ll being experiencing eternity with a very unseemly mass of humanity. How ironic.

  • Be Brave

    The Ten Commandments are for the people of God. They have no place in the USA except for a very limited number of personal places.

    Why do Christians preach the Gospel and then act as if it is not absolutely true? The world and its ways is anti-Christian. Why not rejoice in the proof being supplied on the front page news?

    A nti
    C hristian
    L iberals
    U nited

    Preach the truth.

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  • Larry

    Had the OK legislature approved the Satanic and Hindu monuments, the 10 commandments would have been able to stay. Embracing all religions (or many) is as much religion neutrality as embracing none. We have only sectarian bigots to blame here.

    This is why fundies can’t have nice things.

  • Thank God for the Church of Satan!

  • TheCountess

    There is a point of no return…
    “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty”. Rev 1:7-8
    With outstretched hands God is calling, ‘Sinner, come home’. The night is soon coming when no man can work, the message of hope for the unsaved ending into prophecy with the shutting of the door. We are nearly there.
    A picture of too late: Lazerus and the rich man-
    “And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
    And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame”.
    Luke 16: 19-31
    Eternity is forever, today is the choice for that forever…..

  • ben in oakland

    @ The Countess:

    No, honey. Eternity is one of two things:

    Two people and a turkey.

    The never-ending blather of people who take a 2000 year old book as the gospel truth in order to tell other people how they should live.

  • Larry

    The words of the constitution mean very little to you. The concept of rule of law is only there if its for your convenience.

    Greg1, why do you hate our freedoms so much?

  • Larry

    Hey BB! The only people who could not separate their feelings concerning sexual behavior from government were the Bible thumpers.

    Had the malicious nabobs like yourself not legislated their feelings concerning sexual behaviors, we would not have had the SCOTUS decision last Friday. It would have been another generation before marriage equality issue would have come up.

    Had they left well enough alone, the courts could not have gotten involved. You guys hung yourselves on a rope of spite.

  • JR

    I agree….they are a cult outside of logical Christianity, but all they do is talk doom and gloom, repeatedly miscalculating the world’s end. They believe they are privy to revelations that God expressed, when the reality is that a single man in the 19th Century rewrote the Bible on his own authority.
    Still, they should at least be involved in the present course the world takes by voting, speaking out on moral decisions, etc., instead of grinning at the faults of society that they have done nothing to halt. The world could last another 2 billion years.

  • Fran

    JR,

    We definitely do not talk doom and gloom… That is just the situation of the world today as Jesus foretold it would be in the last days of a wicked era (Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21). The world will just continue on its low moral course, as was also foretold (2 Timothy 3:1-5).

    That is why we preach the good news of God’s kingdom as the only hope of government for mankind on earth (Matthew 4:17; 24:14). Because of that kingdom, mankind will live forever on their forever home, earth (Psalm 37:29; Eccl. 1:4; Rev. 21:3,4).

  • SuziQ

    Larry- Thanks for the laugh. I really need it these days! The sad thing is I bet an ISIS monument would be A-okay. What is this world coming to? It seems like in trying to be so politically correct, we are being stripped of any and all our freedoms. The ACLU is the root of all this evil. Shame on them!

  • Fran

    Be Brave,

    I am not part of God’s heavenly kingdom or spirit-anointed, born-again Christians, which number 144,000 and Jesus as its King (Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-5; 20:4-6).

    However, I am now an earthly subject of God’s kingdom or government, and greatly look forward to its millennial rule in the near future after it puts an end to all human governments (Daniel 2:44).

  • Fran

    Greg1,

    Of course, Jesus healed the attendant of the King in Capernaum, because of his exercising faith in Jesus to do so (John 4:50). The account further says that the attendant and his family became believers. They would then follow the course Jesus set for his disciples (which included preaching the good news of God’s kingdom).

  • CMR

    We Witnesses DO take an active part in shaping moral society. When we study the Bible with honest hearted individuals and they see the need to bring their lives into line with Bible principles that “changes society” one person at a time. It’s the individual’s CHOICE to change and that is far more powerful than legislating or forcing change. Jesus never got involved in trying to change the political system the Jews were under. He said go out and teach people to be his followers. That’s how he prescribed “change”. (Matthew 28:19-20) Jesus called Satan the ruler of this world. (John 14:30) We don’t vote in Satan’s system. That would be aiding the enemy and would be disloyal to God. His kingdom is what we preach and support as the only real and lasting answer to mankind’s MANY problems.

  • Ro Na

    Matthew 7:13-23.

  • Greg1

    Fran, so you are saying then that the government official eventually quit his job when he became a Jehovah’s Witness? (even though that church would not come into existence for another 1900 years). That is rather silly. Think about the promises of Jesus, 1) John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he will give you [Apostles] another Counselor, to be with you forever,” 2) Matthew 28:18: “And Jesus came and said to [the Apostles], “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” 3) Matthew 16:18-19 “[Jesus to Simon Peter] And I say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.” Jesus established the Catholic Church, and promised to be with it until the end:…

  • Re: “Why do Christians preach the Gospel and then act as if it is not absolutely true?”

    I have no idea. Probably for the same reasons they don’t follow Jesus’ explicit admonition against public piety (see e.g. Mt 6:1-6). Instead of obeying that, they went and put up a big Decalogue idol in order to show the world how Christian they all are. And let’s not forget that one of the commandments on said idol, is an order against idolatry itself (in most lists of the commandments, it’s #3).

    If you ask me, Christians are a truly bizarre people. They bluster and fume about making everyone else kowtow to rules and scriptures which they, themselves, fiercely refuse to follow. In other words, they’re hypocrites. (Oh, and that’s something else their Jesus explicitly forbid them (see e.g. Mt 7:5 & Lk 6:42).

    The list of un-Christian things that Christians love to do just keeps right on growing … and it would be funny, if they weren’t so intent on forcing their crap on the…

  • Greg1

    Fran you are literally interpreting the figurative language of Revelation. Revelation 20 has for almost the entire period since Christ’s death, been understood as when at Jesus’ resurrection, the Devil was bound and restrained from for a thousand years (a long period of time), But will be loosed at full strength as we near the end (pretty clearly, now). The thrones are a figurative image of the Church, with the power of judgment and forgiving sins (John 20:23). The mark of the Beast on the hands and forehead are way we act, and think. Those who came to life and reigned with Christ are those who’ve been baptized (the first resurrection, Col. 2:12-13, 3:1). The second death is merely eternal hell (Jude 12-13, Matt 9:24). Gog and Magog are likely the People of Faith versus the Secularists. Then at the end, God will end the nonsense, and Judge the world, where there will be only heaven, or hell, eternal torment, or eternal ecstasy.

  • Barry the Baptist

    That’s not irony.

    Irony would be if her preaching is what caused all the terrible things she preaches about to take place. Or if her telling people that they are going to hell is what caused her or a loved one to go to hell.

    It would be ironic if the bleating of most people on this website, in an effort to win converts, is what keeps those potential converts from ever changing their minds or beliefs.

  • Fran

    Greg1,

    So what did Jesus mean when the model prayer given by him asks that God’s will be done in heaven and also on EARTH (Matt. 6:10)?

    You understand God’s purpose for the earth is to torment the wicked ones left on it forever, since only the meek will reside forever in the heavens?

    God gave a blessing to Adam and Eve to fill the earth and subdue it, and have all animals in their subjection. His purpose is still for mankind to live forever on marvelous earth, and enjoy all the marvelous creations He created for us (food, water sources, plants of all varieties, and all the varieties of animal life)!!

    Because of our first parents’ disobedience, sin/death entered the world of mankind (Romans 5:12). So God provided the ransom sacrifice of his son, Jesus, and his kingdom, to regain perfection Adam and Eve lost for us.

    The animal kingdom will also remain on earth with man, be peaceful with each other; and EARTH will be filled with knowledge of God by man (Isa. 11:6-9).

  • Greg1

    Larry, our Freedoms require guardrails. When a court moves us into a post-Constitution era by ignoring the written text, then that is no longer freedom, but tyranny. Like it or not, the words written into our Constitution are supposed to have meaning, but when they are ignored, we no longer have a nation of laws.

  • Greg1

    Fran, see my answer to your question on the “Oklahoma Supreme Court rules Ten Commandments monument must go” blog. But regarding the earth, there will be nothing left of it when Our Lord sums all thing up at the end of time (2Peter 310-11, Rev 21:1-3). You must get past the idea that this physical world is all there is. God is eternal, and is outside of space and time. To put it plainly, heaven is a “state of being,” one that is “eternal” and enjoys the full love and experience of God. In heaven you could be doing thousands of things all at once. You could be worshiping God, and enjoying all of heaven simultaneously. Hell, like heaven, is also a “state of being” but one very different from heaven. In hell, one of the torments is knowing you could have had heaven, but instead listened to the Devil, and blew it (the worm dieth not: Mark 9:48) . It doesn’t matter where hell is located, but rather what goes on there: eternal suffering at the hands of the Devil (Matt 10:48).

  • karli

    Ok this is crazy first of all there is no way in hell that the ten commandments should be removed for anyone because god is the one who made them and set them for his people to follow when he was on this earth so in my opinion no person or government has the right to change that and shame on you if you do. And greg1 if your so religious then you should know that the seventh day Adventists was the first religion that was picked out by christ and it says in the bible that after god created everything god saw all that he had made and it was good thus the heavens and earth were completed in all their vast array. By the seventh day god had finished his work so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then god blessed the seventh day and made it holy. So for anyone who gose to church on Sunday is already WRONG! And as far the whole gay thing thats why god had noah make the ark so that way he could flud the eath and get rid of the pagengs and start fresh.

  • larry

    Wow can you get more into Orwellian bullcrap? Freedom needs tyrannical control lest it be too free. Riiiight.

    You are really in no position to speak about being a nation of laws, nor do you have much knowledge on the subject. You are the one who wants to encourage the defiance of laws without giving legitimate rational and secular purposes for doing so.

    You hate the notion of rule of law and only want to follow those which suit your personal needs and wants. You have no valid argument in response. Just pathetic self-interested whining.

    Our legal system is not Bible Study. The text of the constitution requires application to real world conflicts and application based on overarching concepts. It has been that way for over 200 years. If you don’t like it, take it up with John Marshall. Your obvious ignorance of our common law legal system and judicial precedent is duly noted.

  • Ro Na

    We are to follow the Truth/Word/Jesus. In the beginning was the Word and
    the Word was with God and the Word/Jesus was God then the Word/Jesus
    became flesh. Emmanuel means God with us so Jesus was God with us as
    part of the Trinity. The birth of Jesus was a miracle not a creation and hell
    is a real place just as the Bible says. Jesus said you are one of Mine only
    if you continue in My teaching/follow Me so if people teach there is no hell
    and don’t stick to what Jesus/the Word/Bible says there is no Truth in them!
    Works don’t save cause non-believers do good works. Luke 13 makes it all
    very clear that we must Repent/the fruit is fruit of Repentance so all of these
    false religions that teach works or there is no hell need to open up the Bible.

  • Greg1

    Karli, I am not “so religious,” but only a Christian. All are called to worship the King, and Glorify God. As for the Seventh Day Adventists, well, honoring the Sabbath is fine, but Christians are to celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus (which occurred on Sunday, the Lord’s Day: Acts 20:7) , for without the Resurrection, there would be no Salvation, and all would still be waiting for the coming of the Messiah. Jesus came to “fulfill” the law (Matt 5:17-18). Heb 10:1: tells us that the Law was “but a shadow of the good things to come” (i.e., Christ). So all pointed to Jesus. Regarding the Sabbath, it was pointing to the Day Jesus would rest in the grave after horrific Death! And once that was completed, the Sabbath was fulfilled. So the old Sabbath celebrated the first creation, but also pointed to the “new creation” (2Cor 5:17). “So let let no one pass judgment on you…regarding…sabbath. [it was] only a shadow of what [was] to come” (Col 2:13-17), The Lord’s Day 1Cor…

  • Ro Na

    Ephesians 5:18 says don’t get drunk and 1 Corinthians 6:10 says that
    all drunkards go to hell including people who get drunk on strong wine
    cause Jesus made a diluted new wine for a symbolic reason not to get
    drunk! John 2:10 says the cheap wine was brought out last so the best
    for last refers to poorer/watered down wine like the wine Jesus made so
    people who try to justify their drinkin by only drinkin wine are also wrong!
    Bible also says don’t get drunk on strong wine so getting drunk is wrong
    as well as gambling,gossip,premarital sex,being mean,coveting/jealousy.
    Bible says Repent and believe Gospel to be saved! We all must Repent!

  • Greg1

    Larry, the written text of the Constitution is the guardrail. When we stray from the text, and begin to make decisions by emotion, rather than the text itself, then we have lost our way. And when the Leftist judges of the supreme court admit that they decided the case apart from the Constitution, then we indeed have lost our way, and need a reform of government.

  • Larry

    Greg1, you apparently are unaware that we are a nation who took their judicial system from the British Common Law and have used judicial review standards for interpreting the Constitution for over 200 years. This means we do not parse out language of the Constitution nor ever need to rely on “founder intent” for applying its principles to real world legal conflicts. We rely entirely on the interpretations of judges and precedent.

    You don’t even understand the basic text of the Constitution, therefore you are incapable of telling others what it means.

    You can’t tell me what SCOTUS allegedly did wrong other than give a result you didn’t like and OBVIOUSLY DIDN’T READ. If you had read it you would have seen how the 14th Amendment was applied to the gay marriage bans.

    You would have seen none of the arguments you ever proferred on the subject given by the ban supporters. Why? Because they were too silly to bring before SCOTUS.

  • Ray

    Politically correct? If one religious sect is allowed to use private money to place a religious artifact on public land, then other sects must also be allowed to do the same. Yes, even Islam. That is why the logical (and legal) action is to disallow any and all religious artifacts on public lands. Simple really.

  • The Beachdancer

    America may well be a Christian people, but the political system they created was based on SECULAR values.

    The American Constitution is SECULAR, the concept of republic and democracy are PAGAN and even the name of the Senate is a PAGAN name as is the architecture in which it is built. And the first International Treaty signed by the new American Senate explicitly stated that America IS NOT CHRISTIAN.

    But when did religious belief ever bother with facts?

  • FreedomFromReligion

    YEEAH!! Not a day too early.

  • SeparationOfChurchAndState

    Next step is to remove the embarrassing “one nation under god” statement from our money and our government buildings! There is still hope apparently!