Maker of secret video says he prays for Planned Parenthood official, considers her a friend

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David Daleiden started The Center for Medical Progress, a center for investigative journalism projects pertaining to contemporary bioethical issues. Photo courtesy of Center for Medical Progress

David Daleiden started The Center for Medical Progress, a center for investigative journalism projects pertaining to contemporary bioethical issues. Photo courtesy of Center for Medical Progress

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(RNS) “Everyone on the investigative team who worked with Dr. (Deborah) Nucatola really liked her; she was always very personable,” he says, adding, "I hope she decides to get out and stop doing abortions."

  • Larry

    Typical passive aggressive Christianist. I guess he is not going to apologize for his deliberate misrepresentations and defamation. But he forgives the person he attacked. What a [insert expletive of choice].

  • Jack

    It sounds rather smarmy to say he considers her a “friend.” That’s probably the oddest use of the word I’ve ever seen.

    Too bad, because it obscured his two superb quotes that followed:

    “It is a paradox that we can’t have laws that recognize unborn babies as human, and yet, it is their very humanness that makes them valuable for experimentation,” and

    “It is as if they (biotech companies) are going on a treasure hunt for the heads or hearts of babies, but how much more valuable would those heads and hearts be if they were allowed to grow up and be a part of society?”

    Those two quotes encapsulate the zero-sum thinking of Planned Parenthood and its allies. They see their fellow human beings as liabilities, not assets, as consumers of resources rather than the greatest resource of all.

  • Larry

    Anti-Abortion rhetoric, a fetus is a person but a woman is not.

  • Jack

    Larry, a baby is human and so is its mother. The humanity of one doesn’t exclude the humanity of the other .. and the only motive for denying this is to justify killing the baby.

  • John

    Just watch the videos. No one put words into the mouths of those doctors. Planned Parenthood is altering procedures to harvest and sell human organs. If Planned Parenthood is such a great organization as you seem to believe, why don’t they appear before Congress in public hearings and clear the air?

  • Larry

    No they weren’t harvesting organs for sale/financial gain. The full length one refutes the whole baby parts selling nonsense.

    The discussion concerned transportation costs which are inherent with any tissue donation (you can’t ship this stuff by Fedex!). Editing it in such a fashion was defamatory. The fact that you still asserted something so patently false shows how damaging the fictions really were.

  • Larry

    Yet only the existence of one is acknowledged in your rhetoric. It wasn’t the born person. Your statement is utterly false.

    Your view of the fetus denies the humanity of the mother. Denies her personhood. Since the fetus can’t exist without the mother, it is a zero-sum game here. You can’t protect a fetus at the expense of its mother. So you attack the mother and her existence. You exclude her from consideration.

    As for “motives”, you feel your self-perceived moral superiority trumps the ability to decide what goes on in their own body. A woman can’t have an abortion because you are so morally superior to the dirty s1ut who got pregnant without planning, that you must step in for her.

    The only motive one needs for an abortion is that it is inside them and they do not want it there. You don’t have to like it or agree with it. Its not your choice to make. You bear no responsibility or burdens for the decision one way or the other. Your input is unnecessary.

  • John

    If that’s the case then those doctors should jump at the chance to appear before Congress under oath and in front of the country and tell us all about all of the wonderful things that they do.

  • John

    Agreed. But friend is used in the editor’s headline, not in his quotation.

  • Larry

    Or they can try to do their jobs without being harassed by hoaxsters, opportunists and hysterics trying to destroy their professions.

    How about you take time out of your day to appear in Congress for a sham witch hunt?

  • Re: “The Catholic anti-abortion activist who secretly videotaped a Planned Parenthood official casually discussing over lunch how fetal organs are harvested said he prays for her and considers her a friend.”

    Doesn’t everyone know by now that “I’ll pray for you” is devout-Christian-speak for “f––– off and die, you insolent reprobate scum”?

  • Greg1

    Such compartmentalized Love you have Larry. Wow. The Left has a toggle switch between those they love, and those they spit upon. Each does not look very different than the other. But if one would live just a little bit longer, he/she just might.

  • larry

    There is no hate on my part. Merely pointing out the clear and obvious flaws in your clearly canned rhetoric. Puncturing your smug self-satisfied air of moral indignation.

    So by completely ignoring the existence of a pregnant woman, you are showing compassion? You are attacking people and showing a spiteful disposition.

    Your love of humanity only appears to apply for 9 months in a womb. After that, they no longer exist to you

    Lets be brutally honest, if conservative christians showed any kind of concern for those who are already born, there would be less need or desire for abortion in the first place.

  • Jack

    Larry, why does affirming one person’s life and dignity require crushing someone else’s? What kind of cockamamie view of life is that?

    You have a zero-sum view of life that allows for nothing but cold, narrowly focused self-interest. That’s pretty sad, because what makes life fulfilling is relationships between people where both sides win and flourish.

    Worse, your view allows violence by the strong against the weak, and as a first resort, not a last resort. Normal thinking says that civilized people don’t commit violence unless they are defending themselves from the threat of violence. You don’t commit violence against others just because they’re in your way and it’s the fastest way to remove them. That’s the way dictators and despots behave.

  • Jack

    “I’ll pray for you” can mean “f…..off,” as you said.

    Or, it can mean what it says.

    Obviously, it depends on who uttered the words.

    But you knew that already. You just didn’t let on to it.

  • Larry

    The one which actually values born people and acknowledges their existence. You can’t protect a fetus at the expense of the one life which continues its existence. Therefore one need not pretend it’s possible. Your whining about one life over another creates a false sense of equal status.

    Birth is the clear dividing line here. Just because such a fact is inconvenient to your view doesn’t mean it’s existence can be ignored.

    Labelling your view “normal thinking” does not change the purely emotional and irrational nature of your declarations. Declaring a fetus is as much of a person as a born autonomous being is not honest nor supportable.

    It’s telling that you have to divorce discussion further and further from details for your arguments.

  • alison

    I’m sorry for whoever hurt you PsiCop, to make you feel this way. If you detect an insincerity among Christians, and that certainly exists in some, I apologize to you on their behalf. But when people say “I’ll pray for you,” they mean “I’ll pray for you.”

  • Larry

    (Rolling eyes at the insincere bullcrap denying what is plainly obvious to everyone who isn’t a fundie apologist)

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2011/11/ill-pray-for-you/
    “And it is always done with condescending arrogance designed to make you feel inferior that says, “Not only am I right and you are wrong, but I am a better person than you” or “You obviously can’t take care of (fill in the blank) yourself, and God won’t help you on his own, so I’ll ask since he listens to me more.” It is a Christian’s passive-aggressive way (or a passive-aggressive Christian’s way) of putting you down. It can mean, “You’re such a wretched specimen of humanity that you need divine intervention in order to avoid your just punishment of eternal torment by fire.””

    “it is always disingenuous; I have never believed the other party actually did make good on their word and really prayed for me….unless they were praying for an agonizing and lingering death for me starting immediately.”

  • Re: “I’m sorry for whoever hurt you PsiCop, to make you feel this way.”

    No one “hurt me to make me feel” that way. You’re free to continue thinking so, if it makes you feel better, but you’d still be wrong. Of course, you had no way to know that was the case at all when you posted that, so I assume you just made that up anyway.

    Re: “If you detect an insincerity among Christians, and that certainly exists in some, I apologize to you on their behalf.”

    Don’t apologize for them. Stop them.

    Re: “But when people say ‘I’ll pray for you,’ they mean ‘I’ll pray for you.'”

    No they don’t. You and I both know it. For you to claim otherwise is disingenuous on your own part and insults my intelligence.

  • Good one!

  • Re: “But you knew that already. You just didn’t let on to it.”

    Full disclosure: I was once a fundamentalist Christian myself. I know EXACTLY what “I’ll pray for you” means. Without any doubt at all. I understand fundamentalist Christianity from the point of view of a (now-erstwhile) insider. That includes knowing all of its jargon, which in turn includes passive-aggressive jabs like “I’ll pray for you.”

  • Jack

    But in protecting the unborn, the lives of both mother and child are spared, Larry, so why pretend otherwise? The supposition that the mother will die if the baby isn’t killed is only true in some cases — and in those cases, yes, the mother has the right to defend herself. So why pretend it’s true in most or all cases?

    No, birth is not the logical dividing line. We’ve gone over this time and again, Larry. It’s a line that requires magical, medieval, and unscientific assumptions to hold. Put another way, it requires willful ignorance about the science of fetal development, equivalent to insisting that the world is flat or that the stars are gods.

    Of course, it goes without saying that labeling science “emotional” and “irrational” doesn’t make it so, but only draws attention to your rejection of it.

    As for details, as you well know, we’ve gone over them thoroughly. If you wish to do it again, fine. Let’s have at it.

  • Jack

    True, PsiCop. But the point still stands. Just because “I’ll pray for you” can be a passive-aggressive jab, it doesn’t follow that every time it’s uttered in evangelical circles (or any other circles), it must be a jab. I utter those words in a straightforward, non-ironic way pretty regularly, since I pray for others a fair amount. Most of the time, when such words are uttered, they mean what they seem.

  • Jack

    Again, that’s certainly true in some cases, but there’s not one person I know who utters those words in that way.

  • Re: “… it doesn’t follow that every time it’s uttered in evangelical circles (or any other circles), it must be a jab.”

    Actually, the odds are, that’s EXACTLY what it is. A jab.

    Re: “Most of the time, when such words are uttered, they mean what they seem.”

    Again, as a former insider, I know better than to think that. You do too.

  • Kat

    This is lunacy. Go on a Christian website to defend Planned Parenthood’s assembly line butchering and procurement of baby body parts.
    Your conscience would have to be so seared that “Deb” Nucatola could be eating the dead baby parts she’s chowing down on and pro-aborts would be cool with this and say it’s “edited”–personally, I could not be “friends” with “Deb”-I don’t care how “nice” David says she is… They say WW2’s NAZI Dr. Mengele was also nice and charming. It’s also so “nice” that her organization is suing David to destroy him. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

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