Nuns who reject Obamacare contraception mandate win stay on order to comply

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The Affordable Care Act contraception mandate continues to be a legal battleground over religious rights. RNS photo courtesy Shutterstock.com.

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The Little Sisters of the Poor reject the Affordable Care Act accommodation that they say still makes them complicit in providing artificial birth-control services to their nursing home employees.

  • Greg1

    Obama and his bizarre Leftist approach to mandating that people of Faith become partakers of evil, is presented ever so clearly in this case. This strange man could very simply make contraceptive coverage become a simple voucher program, but of course that is not his goal. His goal is to destroy religion. The Leftists are never happy with anything less than complete victory of evil over good.

  • Larry

    Greg1, the mandate exception the nuns are fighting more or less is a voucher program. The employees are free to obtain their own insurance to cover contraception. The Nuns aren’t paying for it or insurance to cover it. Please educate yourself on the subject.

    The nuns argument is total garbage. They are annoyed employees can obtain contraception, not that they are providing it.

    The waiver is a great way to demonstrate what kind of nosy controlling nabobs these “religious employers” are and how poor the opposing arguments really are.

  • Greg1

    No, Larry. You need to educate yourself about the particulars. The nuns must “sign away” their so called duty to a third party. If Obama was a real human, he would have done so without their signature on it, but of course the Devil is working through this man, and is trying his best to include the nuns in his plan of destruction.

  • Be Brave

    Ahh the Anti-Christ is showing what is in store for Christians via “secularism.”

    But of course . . ., Christians saw this coming 2000-plus years ago.

    Leftist, progressive? Just the same old spirit of the age that drove Nero and his liberal minions to hate Christians en masse. Interesting that this followed so quickly upon Obama’s ascent to power.

  • dmj76

    Why would anyone object to birth control?

  • George Nixon Shuler

    These sentiments being expressed are most unfortunate and of course not based on any evidence whatsoever. The writer has no evidence for such an unchristian personal attack on the President and should be sorely ashamed. -George Nixon Shuler, Junction City KS

  • George Nixon Shuler

    There is of course no logic or evidence being presented here, merely namecalling Based upon no facts. The writer’s attempt to fool the gullible is duly noted and his bearing of false witness is present for anyone with a brain to see.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    This post is entirely composed of falsehoods, assertions without evidence, and seeking to change the subject, proving once again the writer is not arguing in good faith.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    The single greatest social advance of the 20th century was the ability to separate sexuality and reproduction, which had facilitated oppression, particularly of women. Those who seek to maintain said oppression seek to deny those who they desire to subjugate such a useful tool to cast off such subjugation.

  • Duey

    They don’t object to birth control. They object to paying for it. If woman who work for them chose to buy birth control from the money they earned while working for them that would not be an issue.

  • dmj76

    Why distinquish between birth control and antibiotics?

  • larry

    You are absolutely correct. There was not a single factual assertion made in Greg1’s post. Signing their responsibility to a 3rd party means they no longer are obligated to provide insurance themselves. They are absolved of a responsibility to pay for something. Freeing up money and time. They get to walk away from a burden.

    The nuns are not paying for contraception or even insurance to cover it. They are waiving participation in having to provide insurance by allowing the employees to GET THEIR OWN COVERAGE.

    There is no rational argument to be made by the nuns here. They are not having anything to do with the contraceptive choices of their employees. At most the nuns are recognizing employees may want it and are willing to pay for it themselves.

  • Richard Rush

    In the aftermath of the Hobby Lobby decision, Religious Freedom 2.0 is now assumed to include the freedom of fanatical Christians to force people with different beliefs to live according to their beliefs.

    And, by the way, if you refuse to support contraception, your arguments against abortion have zero credibility. Contraception is THE best way reduce the number of abortions.

  • Richard Rush

    That reminds me: Shouldn’t TrueChristians refuse medical treatment developed through modern medical science . . . because it interferes with God’s perfect plan for their lives? After all, if God was okay with the lack of medical treatment for many thousands of years, wouldn’t it be a sin to interfere?

  • Read my lips

    THE NUNS ARE NOT PAYING FOR CONTRACEPTION.

    THEY ARE NOT EVEN PAYING FOR INSURANCE WHICH PROVIDES CONTRACEPTION

    THEY ARE ALLOWING EMPLOYEES BUY THEIR OWN COVERAGE..

    So what is your objection again?

  • Neon Genesis

    And who uses the term leftist anyway? I don’t any progressive that uses that term. The only ones who do are conservatives that have no arguments so they have to resort to making up scary sounding terms nobody else uses.

  • Neon Genesis

    If there is a devil in the world, it’s working through religious bigots like you who Jesus referred to as wolves in sheep’s clothing.

  • Deacon John M Bresnahan

    The more government gets control of our lives to order us around, the more we are nothing but subjects of a totalitarian state no matter the “good” supposedly being done by government power on our behalf. It is sad to see so many otherwise decent Americans willing to sell themselves into semi-slavery because they don’t like Christians or those who refuse to worship government,

  • Be Brave

    .l@Richard Rush

    Fair enough. But, anyone that believes in Darwinian evolution, which is just about everyone, should just accept their evolutionary lot in life and not take any drugs for deficiencies in their genetic makeup. Nor should they seek medical attention for any sickness or disease and just let “nature take its course.” This is why abortion for the godless isn’t any big deal. They are just evolutionary misfits that have been naturally selected to jettison their offspring. Worthless mothers, shouldn’t have children per nature and men that have sexual relations with women that will off their offspring are worthless to nature as well.

    So you have Christians on the one hand that shouldn’t try to stay alive any longer than God wanted them to live and the godless that should allow nature to weed them out as fast as possible from the herd.

    What a bunch of hypocrites on both sides huh? Science has been shown for the worthless endeavor it is and the religious? Well . . .

  • Greg1

    larry, if there was no basis for it, there would be no court case.

  • Greg1

    Richard, you need to spend more time studying. Christians are to be Pro-Life. That means all things that promote and maintain life, are good. Though, in time, God will call us all home.

  • Bernardo

    The immorality/stu-pidity starts by having unsafe s-ex. These data once again:

    WHICH Birth control METHODS DO WOMEN (men?) USE?

    • 64% of reproductive-age women who practice contraception use reversible methods, such as oral contraceptives or condoms. The remaining women rely on female or male st-erilization.[2]

    FIRST-YEAR CONTRACEPTIVE FAILURE RATES – Guttmacher Institute)
    Percentage of women experiencing an unintended pregnancy

    Some examples
    Method……………..Typical
    Pill (combined)……… 8.7 (resulting in ~one millon unplanned pregnancies)
    Tubal sterilization ……0.7
    Male condom ……….17.4 (resulting in ~one million unplanned pregnancies)
    Vasectomy…………… 0.2
    Implant…………………1.0
    IUD (Copper-T)……….1.0
    (Masturbation mono or dual)………. 0
    (Abstinence) 0
    And the abortion rate in the USA? ~one million/year

    Some words hyphenated to defeat a word filter.

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  • Bernardo

    More from Guttmacher:

    “• Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use.[”

    Conclusion: The failures of the widely used birth “control” methods i.e. the pill ($1/each) and male condom (~50 cents/each) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs (~19 million cases/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the pill or condoms properly and/or use other methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

    Note: (if you cannot afford the Pill or a condom, should you be having sex? Should the taxpayers be footing the bill for these inexpensive items?)

  • Richard Rush

    Greg1, it’s interesting that you say “Christians are to be pro-life,” because your God surely is not. The Bible has documented that God killed about 2,500,000 people, and Satan killed about 10. If we try to estimate the additional killings that are not documented with specific numbers, then God’s killings zoom to about 25,000,000 while Satan’s killings zoom to about 60.

    Furthermore, the number of abortions performed by God is many orders of magnitude larger than any human’s could ever be.

    And then there has been God’s longstanding plan for multitudes of women to die during childbirth . . . which, as an aside, makes the Christian mantra, “every child deserves a mom and a dad,” seem ungodly.

  • Ben in oakland

    Psssssssst.

    Greg is a very, very conservative catholic, who believes a good deal of what he asserts. Possibly even all of it. And being a Catholic, and very conservative, he only believes things that must be true.

    I wouldn’t take him too seriously. He is worth responding to so that other readers can compare the arguments. Q

  • Ben in oakland

    Psssssst.

    Be brave is beyond shame. He will repeat anything, or lacking something to repeat, just make up something new, if it attacks gay people, liberals, Obama, atheists, or anyone else who conflicts with his world view. He once proposed that a “Levitical solution” was the best solution to his problem with homosexuality.

    I think he is a baptist, but it might be even further out than that. I wouldn’t take him to seriously, either. I’m pretty sure he and Greg have had a merry tournament of Holier Than Thou Roulette, but I could be getting him confused with someone else.

  • Ben in oakland

    That most certainly is not what they’re saying.

    They objected to paying for birth control is a part of the health insurance they provided their employees. So A compromise was worked out. They wouldn’t have to provide it, nor pay for it, but a third-party would be responsible for providing that coverage to the employees.

    And even that was not acceptable to them, because what they REALLY wanted was control over the whole process, the employees, and everyone else. These are not the requests of reasonable people.

    In The Catholic faith, anything about sex gets them into a holy dudgeon, and what everyone else would call the provision of normal health care, the church calls Big Ol’ Sin. Their refusal to sign means that as far as they are concerned, no one gets to believe differently than they, and the law should reflect that.

    This is a perfect example of what is happening in conservative religion in America today: religious exceptionalism.

  • Ben in oakland

    The more CONSERVATIVE RELIGION gets control of our lives to order us around, the more we are nothing but subjects of a totalitarian CHURCH-state no matter the “good” supposedly being done by THEOCRATIC government power on our behalf. It is sad to see so many otherwise decent Americans willing to sell themselves into semi-slavery because they don’t like DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT, or those who refuse to worship THEOCRACY.

    FIXED IT FOR YOU.

    I must have, because this totalitarian state you envisage is strictly a product of your imagination. What you were really complaining about is that the hold that religion is have on American society for the past few centuries, has finally begun to get loosened. And you don’t like it one bit.

    you prefer your own version of theocracy. Your particular, peculiar version of Christianity is what ought to hold dominion over the lives of people that don’t share them.

    The sisters are an employer. They are governed by employment law.

  • larry

    “larry, if there was no basis for it, there would be no court case”

    ROTFLMAO! BAWAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAHAAHAAHAAH!

  • larry

    Your comment is completely ignorant overly general garbage here with no relation whatsoever to the subject.

    In this case its the nuns who want to control the lives of others. The government is trying to give people a choice here. Control of their lives the nuns want to deny them.

    Its apparent there is no reasonable argument to be made by the nuns here. They are objecting to employees obtaining contraception, on their own accord, at their own expense, just because they don’t like people using it.

  • BB, all creationists are liars.

    They have to lie to maintain their stated (but not actual) belief in the fantasy and nonsense needed to pretend such belief must be taken seriously by sane and intelligent people. They have to lie about their faith and deny it in order to pretend creationism isn’t just a load of confirmation bias related self-serving irrational claptrap.

    “Worthless mothers, shouldn’t have children per nature and men that have sexual relations with women that will off their offspring are worthless to nature as well.”

    Yep that summarizes the entire anti-abortion crowd’s attitude towards women and children to a “T”. S1utshaming and indifference to the born.

    You know one should not attempt sarcasm when it too easily describes your actual position. 🙂

  • Greg1

    Richard, “The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away” (Job 1:21). When we are conceived, God marks out a path for us to follow, one that is not only for us, but for everyone we come in contact with during our lives. Some of us live short lives, some very long, but all serve a purpose. And yes, we can deviate from that path if we so choose. But God is always waiting patiently for us to return. And when we do, a new course will be charted. Sadly, though, through direct termination of life, many souls are returned to God long before his Plan of life has had a chance to even begin to run its course. Richard, why not ask our Lord to show you what he has in mind for you? If you ask sincerely, things will begin to happen in your life. And if you want it to happen more quickly, then ask Blessed Mary, as she doesn’t waste any time re-directing souls back into the Plan of Salvation.

  • Eric Charles Smith

    It is commentary like yours, spouting unfounded propaganda and paranoia about someone’s desire to destroy religion, that make a lot of people anxious about religion in the public square.

  • Jack

    Neon, the reason leftists don’t use the word is obvious:

    Leftists spent the last two decades of the 20th century losing every battle in the war of ideas and enough people remember it.

    But besides being utterly pretentious, to call leftist policies “progressive” is Orwellian. Most of those policies in fact are reactionary…..they are a dinosaur-like reaction to the major economic and technological engines of progress of the past century. They’re about rolling back progress and restraining the dynamic forces in society that made all the progress we see around us possible.

  • Jack

    Eric, your statement about religion in the public square is revealing. The Constitution upholds the right to freedom of expression and make no discrimination between religious and non-religious expression. You sound like someone who would like to ban or restrict public expression that is not to your liking.

  • Larry

    More likely because its a silly pejorative with little relation to the actual views of people it is ascribed to. Neon Genesis pretty has it pegged.

    “Leftists spent the last two decades of the 20th century losing every battle in the war of ideas and enough people remember it.”

    I am afraid to ask what you are trying to reference. Its probably going to lead to a rabbit hole of discussion how you are misrepresenting / exaggerating events. Not worth the effort.

    Greg1 has said nothing of value on this subject. The nuns have no argument besides, “those nice lawyer fellows are donating their time and effort towards this”. 🙂

  • Fran

    The only theocracy is God’s kingdom or heavenly government (Daniel 2:44). None of man’s governments qualify in that regard, even if they try to bring “religion” into government, such as is the goal by Conservatives.
    Religion should be separate and apart from politics, but unfortunately the majority does not follow that course.

    Man’s governments are a lost cause since they will be done away with and replaced by God’s government, and only it will actually fulfill all of its marvelous promises, which man and his governments can never do (Isaiah 11:1-9).