Ted Cruz enlists evangelicals with campaign against Planned Parenthood

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Republican 2016 U.S. presidential candidate U.S. Senator Ted Cruz addresses attendees at the RedState Gathering in Atlanta, Georgia, on August 8, 2015. Photo courtesy of REUTERS/Tami Chappell
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(RNS) Cruz's campaign against Planned Parenthood may be an effort to capture the evangelical base away from other contenders.

  • Larry

    Because nothing says pro-life like attacking the ability of women to get cancer screening.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/08/06/if-the-gop-defunded-planned-parenthood-this-is-how-americans-would-suffer/

    PP provides:

    -Around 3.7 million STI tests and 700,000 HIV tests, along with treatment for more than 43,000 patients testing positive

    -Over 490,000 pap smears, 38,000 HPV vaccinations, and 39,000 procedures to remove abnormal and potentially cancerous tissue from the cervix

    -Upwards of 500,000 breast exams, a crucial element in catching and treating breast cancer

    -The staffing and resources of more than 700 health care centers across the nation, serving over 2.7 million patients, 80% of whom are living more than 150% below the poverty line

    Of course its not like conservatives are afraid to tell women (especially poor ones) to drop dead.

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  • Larry

    ““To the extent that he is suggesting that churches engage in efforts that happen to coincide with his political platform, there is the risk of luring them into violations of the tax law, which prohibits endorsement of political candidates,” Lynn said. “It certainly sounds like he is encouraging them to simply violate the tax code and hope they get away with it.””

    Nothing says I am qualified to be the leader of a nation than to be encouraging wholesale breaking of its laws for personal gain.

  • Cruz is already succeeding although right now it seems that Trump has the Evangelical vote. I expect all of that to shift to Cruz (“what was I thinking?”). I have this sinking feeling that crazy Ted is going to be the GOP’s 2016 nominee.

    Cruz may be crazy and mendacious but he is far from stupid. He is a highly trained and intelligent lawyer who has even been a clerk to a justice of the Supreme Court.

  • Marken

    Fortunately Cruz is barely an also-ran against Trump et al. This is hopefully last gasp in his “campaign.”.

  • Jack

    Why stop with Planned Parenthood? There are all sorts of organizations that should be funded by private donors alone, not the government.

    And beyond that, much of what Washington itself does can be done better by nonprofits, for-profits, state and municipal governments, families, and even individuals. The idea that the federal government is the solution to every problem is ludicrous on its face. A child can understand what’s wrong with such thinking.

  • Jack

    Anyone who thinks they have a real handle on this crazy presidential campaign in both parties is deluding themselves.

    I thought Trump would be in trouble by now…..so much for that.

  • Jack

    Cruz is not just a brainy character, but he’s quite shrewd and calculating. He is always up to something. There’s always something more going on than it seems with him. I don’t know what to make of him and I don’t mean that in either a positive or negative way. He’s just one of those people who seems to be ten steps ahead of everybody else in terms of tactics and strategy.

    He may prove too clever by half, but we’ll see.

  • Jack

    Only a Big Government ideologue who knows nothing about the way America works truly believes that if the federal government defunded Planned Parenthood, women would have no place to turn regarding such services.

    Larry, this isn’t France, where people twiddle their thumbs waiting for the national government to do everything. This is America…..with dense thickets of nonprofits of every kind, operating in every nook and cranny of the nation, mostly relying on funds donated voluntarily by like-minded people — not extracting involuntarily by mugging taxpayers.

    Nobody should get out of high school without reading Tocqueville’s “Democracy in America”……that French nobleman writing in the 1830s would understand the America of today better than you zealots do.

  • Jack

    It is not illegal to stand up for any cause from the pulpit. It is illegal to endorse any candidate from the pulpit.

    Heeding a candidate’s call to embrace a cause is not the same as endorsing a candidate. I’m sure that plenty of those pastors who are heeding Cruz’s call are very far from sure whether they will even vote for him, let alone endorse him.

    To equate the two is pretty silly.

  • Larry

    Spare me your libertarian bullcrap. Not all actions of government are useless wastes of time and resources. Your reaction is kneejerk, not considered.

    The people who want PP refunded don’t give a crap about what it does or its effects on the public. They aren’t funding other clinics in their place. They are motivated by ridiculous pandering to the fetus worship set. You can’t say these patients are going somewhere else, because nobody cares to consider thinking that far ahead here.

    This is part and parcel with a politically minded hostility to both the poor and women in general.

    There is no legitimate motivation here and you can’t just hand wave away clear harmful effects.

  • Larry

    It’s illegal for clergy to abuse their non taxable resources to endorse political candidates. Its in the article if you cared to read it. That is exactly what Cruz is trying to encourage. His pleas to the contrary are not remotely plausible or credible.

  • Jack

    Larry, spare us your empty rhetoric and mindless labeling which takes no one anywhere.

    You’re the one who’s all-or-nothing about government. I’m the one who’s saying the opposite: Government subsidies for many (not all) organizations, including PP, are entirely unnecessary.

    I’m for some, not all, examples of government activity. You’ve taken offense at the very notion of that. Thus you’re the one drinking the Kool-Aid. I’m simply making a distinction between what government should and should not be doing.

    You should know that you only refute arguments with superior ones. Your problem is you have no arguments because your positions on issues have failed repeatedly, and you can’t advocate any of them with a straight face or a hopeful heart. So you’re reduced to pure cynicism.

  • Jack

    I just said that, Larry. Try reading before responding. Again, it is illegal to endorse candidates from pulpits…..

    But again, it is not illegal to speak on issues from pulpits.

    Neither Cruz nor the pastors are violating anything. They are coming together on a common issue.

    No doubt, if you were an IRS lawyer, you’d be attempting every trick in the book to shut them down, putting your leftist ideology ahead of your professional duty.

  • Deacon John M. Bresnahan

    PP has its patron “saint”— Dr. Mengele For they are doing to aborted babies what we decided at the end of WWII should not be done with the bodies Dr. Mengele tortured and killed even if some vampirish value could come from butchering his victims further.i

  • King Doctor Lord Kyle R. S. T. Q. Vanderhoot Esq. Ph.D.

    Stuff it you mere deacon, since you’re a stuffy one to begin with. It is a matter for us to decide, and not defined in a holy book, at what stage a fetus is a human being. Mengele comparison is a false one.

  • Jack

    Actually, King Kyle, it is not for you to decide “at what stage a fetus is a human being.” That decision was taken away from you and all of us, courtesy of…..who else?…..SCOTUS, via the Roe ruling in 1973.

    You silly lefties don’t even know how to argue your own points.

  • King Doctor Lord Kyle R. S. T. Q. Vanderhoot Esq. Ph.D.

    Wrong stereotype there son. I stew lefty children for lunch.

  • Be Brave

    The idiocy, lunacy and pure evil of Larry’s statements is that he is a former fetus.

    When someone embraces the liberal lifestyle and moral compass, all decency must escape their souls to be replaced by controlling everyone else the way they themselves have given away their soul.

  • Be Brave

    No Christian should vote for anyone or anything that represents the liberal and progressive Democratic wing. It is something that any Christian should be condemned for.

    I’d say the exact say thing if I were a Pastor. That Democrats want to arrest and condemn and silence Christians is nothing to fear. Christians have survived their kind throughout the history of The Church.

  • Be Brave

    It’s interesting that you accuse Cruz of being crazy when your icon flies a flag that says two men can be husband and husband and two women can be wife and wife.

    Truly the diseased patients have taken over the insane asylum.

    And we get the spew you are selling.

  • Be Brave

    They’re more like raw nerves of the insane mind that only know how to react with pain screaming out of their minds.

  • Larry

    “You’re the one who’s all-or-nothing about government. ”

    No I haven’t. But its good to know you have no intention on addressing anything I have said. More strawman burning from you as usual.

    “drinking the Kool-Aid”
    Call me a “sheeple” and you will fill my bingo card.

    You and the rest of the “defund’ crowd are motivated entirely by complete hostility to anything associated with abortion rights. Consequences be damned.

  • “But again, it is not illegal to speak on issues from pulpits.”

    But that is not what he is asking them to do. He is asking them to go much further. Into the realm of breaking the law and outright endorsement.

  • Larry

    Save me the sanctimonious bullcrap of the alleged moral concern of people who fawn over the unborn, but show zero concern for those outside a womb. They are not pro-life, they are fetus worshipers. Sanctity of life only exists for 9 months to them. After that, its a big extended middle finger.

  • Jack

    Larry, seriously, how is anybody expected to respond substantively to such silly phrases as “fetus worship?” If I summed up your position as “eek, a child, get a stick and kill it,” I’d be just as silly to expect a detailed response from you. It’s obviously not an invitation to dialogue.

    What I’d be glad to discuss is the question of what is the appropriate role of government — ie what does it do best and what can be better done by other institutions? But for ideologues like yourself, the very question is subversive and heretical — and anyone who asks the question is the proverbial skunk in the garden party. Yet such a fear-driven response is reactionary and irrational.

  • Jack

    I just think Larry’s a cynical old guy who’s trapped between knowing with his intellect that the left has failed at everything and can do nothing to make the world a better place and hating the “right” (meaning anybody who isn’t hard left) on issues of religion and sex, about which he obsesses. The result is endless repetition of tired old rhetoric from 40 years ago.

  • Larry

    Jack, there is nothing serious or substantive in the anti-abortion view. Its based on hysterical declarations, irrelevant arguments, selective views of facts, and in many cases outright fabrications.

    “Fetus worship” is far more accurate a description of that view than “pro-life”. Because it is obvious concern for life of that set only lasts for 9 months of gestation.

    Certainly no concern for women who are pregnant or who could become pregnant. Certainly no concern for people who provide healthcare services to a fairly underserved portion of the population.

    You have demonstrated on numerous occasions that you have nothing of value or substance to say on this subject. When in doubt you will just go straight to ad hominem or make up some position I allegedly have and attack that.

    Can I get a “statist” somewhere so you can hit all the cliche terms?

  • Jack

    Wrong, Larry. Cruz is asking them to stand with him in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood. Even “Rev.” Lynn, the sock puppet for people who want to put religion under perpetual house arrest, tacitly admitted that they’re doing nothing unconstitutional. Instead, he warned that it might cross over into that….and implied that he was waiting for them to do just that so he could pounce all over them and Cruz.

  • Jack

    I guess Larry thinks it’s “crazy” to care about human well-being at every stage in life, rather than embracing the deranged view that human beings suddenly and magically become babies at birth.

    But then again, to be a far lefty is to believe in all sorts of magical things — from the universe springing into being all by its lonesome to the notion that the way to fight poverty is to put neighborhood poverty fighters out of business while paying the poor not to work, save, or get married.

  • Jack

    This guy’s real name is probably Arnie from the Bronx….still living in mommy dearest’s apartment 65 years later.

  • Jack

    Well, Larry, of course you’re a statist, so feel free to add it to the collection of tried-and-true words that fit you and your friends. You’ve probably been stuck in that intellectual ghetto your whole life.

    As for the abortion issue, it’s not my fault that you hold to a stomach-turning position that is bat-s*t crazy. Even most pro-choicers think it’s about as palatable as defending Jack the Ripper. Every time you try to defend your demented position, you dig a deeper hole for yourself. It’s like watching a psychiatric patient chewing on a rug.

  • Larry

    He is asking the clergy to join HIS effort to defund planned parenthood. To associate the effort with his candidacy for presidency.

    “the sock puppet for people who want to put religion under perpetual house arrest”

    I am at the point where I don’t even think you believe the bullcrap you are slinging these days.

    Lynn was saying that Cruz’s efforts do not appear as legitimate as claimed. You have this compulsion to misrepresent what people say.

    Nothing says “I am being persecuted” more than being courted by presidential candidates and having the ability to put your religious dogma into a seriously debated political platform. The martyrbating is getting silly by now. American Christians are crying “persecution” every time they are denied the ability to act obnoxiously in public.

  • Larry

    “I guess Larry thinks it’s “crazy” to care about human well-being at every stage in life”

    But you don’t, so you can quit the crocodile tears and hysterics. The only stage in life which matters to you is gestation. After that, your concern ends. Of course since you constantly misrepresent the arguments presented in response, its pretty clear you have no interest in rational discussion.

    It takes quite a bit of derangement to talk about pregnancy while deliberately ignoring the woman who carries one. But that is because your view is more about controlling sexual conduct and reproduction than concern for people.

    “to be a far lefty is to believe in all sorts of magical things”

    Ad hominem Jack strikes again! Another rant not worth addressing.

  • Will Nat

    Hey Larry, I don’t see abortions on your list. Honest oversight on your part?

    How many abortions do they perform?

    And while you are looking it up, how many sales of body parts?

  • Will Nat

    I’ll add another comment, since Larry since to be hogging the space here:

    Cruz for President!!!

    God bless him.

  • Will Nat

    Right, Jack. Larry’s “arguments” are so easily defeated. His only strength is adding long, boring comments to this comment thread. But, he’s really good at that.

  • Will Nat

    Hey Larry,
    How do you feel about the elimination of tax exempt status for liberal universities? Send a shiver up your spine?

  • Dominic

    I like Cruz, and its about time a politician speaks of respecting human life in lieu of the mother’s indiffererence…. or actual hatred. Stop funding Planned Parenthood and let the sexually irresponsible find their own way in solving their “problem”.
    Back alley abortions? That’s fine. It’s the same place most other murders are committed. Or, perhaps, avoiding sex could help. I know, God forbid we give up three minutes of ecstasy, right? Why should we support women’s moral lapses?

  • Philip

    WHACK! It’s another insulting personal attack by Ad Hominem Jack.

  • Philip

    WHACK! It’s another insulting personal attack by Ad Hominem Jack.

  • Philip

    WHACK! It’s another insulting personal attack by Ad Hominem Jack.

  • Philip

    WHACK! It’s another insulting attack by Ad Hominem Jack.

  • Larry

    Will, what is the definition of “liberal university”?

    How can you tell them apart for tax purposes?

    If you can tell what is a “liberal university”, wouldn’t “conservative universities” be subject to the same tax exemption?

    Did you think your statement through?

    How do you feel about addressing the topic on hand?

  • Larry

    “Back alley abortions? That’s fine. It’s the same place most other murders are committed.”

    Thank you for demonstrating that nobody should ever treat the anti-abortion crowd as reasonable or sane people.

  • Deacon John M Bresnahan

    Nothing used to be considered worse than a doctor being a healer and a killer The thousands year old Hippocratic oath thrown out by pro-abortion fanatics was partially based on that moral principle.
    So now we have those who want to defend killing children hiding behind the argument that they also do some good.. But is there anyone so ignorant they can’t comprehend other organizations being given the funds PP supposedly does good with. There is something going on behind the scenes that seems to hold some politicians locked in a pro PP position. And considering its racist history (ignored by a compliant, corrupt , media) there are many reasons for ditching PP as a deliverer of medical services.

  • Dominic

    You’re welcome. Which month of gestation are you actually in right now, Larry.?….your mother may still be able to vanquish you.

  • Larry

    As a born person I have to watch out. You want me dead!

    So please tell me about how much you and other christians value the lives of others. I need a big heap of bullcrap for fertilizing my lawn.

  • Jack

    Cruz is by far the brightest guy on either side intellectually and can out-debate them all at once, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s the best one for the job. It’s going to take a while to see who is the best.

  • Jack

    Well, look what Larry has just morphed into — heeeere’s “Philip!!”

    Libs are great at dishing it out, but when they get it back, they do very odd things….among which is splitting into various personalities and names and sometimes, when the mood hits, stealing other people’s board names.

    So welcome back, “Philip.” Say hello to the ventriloquist when you get a chance.

  • Jack

    That’s quite a stretch, Larry. I wasn’t aware that when a person declares a run for public office, churches aren’t allowed to support that person on an issues initiative when it fits theirs. Maybe that’s because you just made up a new prohibition out of whole cloth.

    You never seem to run out of hair-brained schemes to muzzle religious expression, do you….

  • Jack

    Actually, you guys pretend to be concerned about life after birth, but if you truly care, why do you keep supporting after-birth policies that repeatedly fail to help anybody other than the people administering them? Really. Don’t you care about what actually works in the real world, or is it all about feeling good about yourself rather than doing good for others? I honestly don’t get how you can support policies and programs without any regard whatsoever to outcome.

    On education, you want to keep pouring money into terrible school systems rather than first reforming those systems. And when even fellow Democrats like Eva Moscowitz in New York City are doing miracles through public school choice via charter schools, you reactionaries want to shut them down. Explain how that’s any different from George Wallace standing at the school house door, blocking poor black kids from advancing.

  • Jack

    Larry, the kinds of after-birth policies and programs you blindly support are usually so bad, so ill-conceived, so out of touch with the way the real world works, doing absolutely nothing is sometimes better. And that’s pathetic, because there are plenty of things society can and should do to help people at all stages of life.

    You folks survive politically on the myth that your ideas on helping people are the only way to help people, and that to oppose your schemes is to oppose helping people.

    That’s a silly old game, and people are finally on to it.

  • Cam

    What a joke. Cruz only made it through high profile uni by crawling under the arm of a religious conservative. He’s bright in the way that top cons often are, but it’s a shell.

  • Cam

    Usually it’s the other way around, religion curtailing freedoms and free speech.

  • Cam

    Nice deflection there.

  • Cam

    “You folks”… uh, who exactly do you mean??? Put a little more tar on that wide brush or you’ll run it dry.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Toqueville believed people born with noble titles were better than those who weren’t. His observations were on a par with a Bill O’reilly historical nover of the day and probably even less accurate.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Cruz is hoping against hope that Trump fizzles and his supporters will then turn to Cruz. That’s not exactly likely although the same dynamics are in play. Trump is vague enough that he’d probably be a good President. The danger in Trump being elected is he’d be obligated to appoint a few far out ideologues like Cruz, although I think he’d be sure to place them where they’d do the least damage. Also as a caveat to my claim Trump would probably be a good President, I’m not Latino, so YMMV. My impression is just Trump isn’t at all serious about the xenophobia he espouses, that’s all.