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  • Scott Shaver

    A “baptist apologist/professor” piling on a woman sitting in jail for exercising her religious convictions as a Christian.

    What’s fundamentally wrong with this picture? Regardless of whether Mr. Gushee sees “a better way” or not.

    Almost get the feeling that he would relish in the departure of any Christian expression save his own from the public sector.

  • Ben in oakland

    Mr. Gushee, you are known by the company you keep.

    If NALT Christians are not willing to stand up to the dominionists and theocrats, don’t be surprised if people see you as no different than they are.

    So, thank YOU for standing up.

  • Ben in oakland

    So, there is a Muslim woman who is a flight attendant who is working for Express air. She is suing the company because she claims that she should not have to serve alcohol to passengers, when serving alcohol is at least half of her job. I’m sure you are ready to jump to her defense as well.

  • Eric

    A “baptist apologist/professor” piling on a woman sitting in jail for exercising her religious convictions as a Christian.

    She isn’t in jail because of her “convictions.” She’s in jail for contempt of court stemming from her a refusal to issue marriage licenses to gay and lesbians couples, a clear act of discrimination. So stop lying about why she’s in jail.

    “Almost get the feeling that he would relish in the departure of any Christian expression save his own from the public sector.”

    Yeah, no. Nothing, not one word of his article even comes close to being evidence of that. So, you can stop lying about Gushee, too.

  • Deacon John M Bresnahan

    Interesting seeing a Christian woman jailed( without bail) for her Christian beliefs. Mass murderers of the past were allowed to make bail. Apparently the prophet who predicted that once gays or their supporters get power–those who oppose them will be jailed is coming true.
    And to hear so many biased reporters talk about the court diktat (like the abortion decision) as democracy is mind boggling. But the Big Lie has always worked well for the liars.

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  • Be Brave

    As you can see Mr. Gushee, your heresy is supported and cheered on by atheist homosexuals.

    Your pro-s’domy position has no support anywhere in the Bible and no where in Christian history. If you are a Christian, then so is Nero and Hadrian. I have every right based on the Gospels to judge you pro hom-sexuality people by your deeds. And yours is promoting h_mosexuality and perverting marriage in an incredibly hostile way.

    You and yours are not looking to live and let live. As you can see from just Ben’s response as an example, LGBT’s demand absolute obeisance to the rainbow idol from Christians. And if we cross them, then to jail we we’ll go. If you were honest, you would just claim you are something new and altogether different than a Christian. You have no right or justification to pretend that promoting homos-xuality and homos-xual marriage can be a position of integrity. You and your gay activism are something other than Christian. And you know it.

  • I agree that Kim Davis and her ilk harm Christianity through their words and actions. And I hope they keep doing it.

    If we are ever to be rid of Christianity, it will not be through “liberal persecution,” but from a natural wasting away as more and more people see it for what it truly is thanks to the likes of Kim Davis.

  • Junebug

    There is “church”. There is “State”. I participate in both but to be an employee of the church, I must abide by doctrine of that particular church. As a State employee, I must abide by civil laws. I am not forced to be an employee of either. My freedom of conscience remains intact.

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  • Rev. Glyndon Morris

    And Jesus weeps as they speak in his name yet do not show how much they love God by showing love to their neighbor. The Pharisees win again.

  • Be Brave


    There’s not a false angle in anything I’ve written about Gushee. His gay activism has no support anywhere in the New Testament and of course no where in the Tanakh (Old Testament). Gay theology is no different than Mormonism or Watch Tower theology and a host of other spinoffs from orthodoxy. Now, if Gushee and his gay ilk were honest, they would invent a new religion and call all to that paradigm. But of course they won’t because they know the real faith is in the real Church and not in what they are demanding that all fall before. LGBT pride and growth was ushered into prominence by society after society becoming godless and of course anti-Christian. As Saint Jude points out in his letter to similar Churched faced with Gusheeites (anti-Christian secularists), these people infect The Church in similar ways. Evil can’t really change its spots. Just cover them up for a time.

  • Doc Anthony

    Sorry, but Kim Davis’ brave refusal was correct. She took the only reasonable Christian shot she could take, in light of her situation as a Christian elected official.

    She said she was willing to accept the legal consequences of her actions, and when the time came, she did. She therefore respected the rule of law, as a Christian should.

    But until she was incarcerated by a judge’s order, she bravely fought against the great evil that Dr. Gushee has unfortunately accepted. She did so in a peaceful, non-violent and legal fashion. She did the right thing, and she sent a HUGE and courageous message to this sorry nation, even to the Supremes.

    The Supreme Court’s unprecedented legalization of gay marriage is every bit as evil and destructive as its pro-slavery and pro-abortion decisions of the far past. There is no excusing it, no sanitizing it, merely by saying “it’s the law of the land.” It’s TOTALLY wrong, period. Kudos to heroine Davis.

  • Jesus said; “You are the salt of the earth”. Just as He said: “You are the light of the world”. This dark world has no moral compass. God expects His people to be to them salt (moral preservative) and light. The writer here seems to be selective in his verses, picking the ones he likes while ignoring others. Not a good idea. As far as “For God so loved the world”. Yes, that is the message of salvation. So, Repent! Receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, turn away from sin and rebellion. Then you will know God’s forgiveness and peace. God Bless

  • Larry

    Christians have no “moral compass” if they think malicious acts towards others are OK if they can pretend Jesus signed off on them. When you speak of morality, it is nothing but codified sociopathy. Actual moral consideration is avoided in favor of outsourcing decisions and adhereing to arbitrary rules without reason.

    If you think Davis was acting morally, you have no concept of the word. Her supporters are loathsome in their dishonesty, ignorance and malice. Nothing worthy of respect

    All Christians pick and chose the verses which support their views. Fundies are just less honest about it. Lying for the Lord is integral to their belief.

  • Larry

    Hey Doc, if you childish bigots could come up with rational and secular reasons to ban gay marriage, you would not have lost the SCOTUS case. But of course you could not. You lost because there is no reason to give your prejudices color of law.

    Crying over it like a baby as Davis did is undignified. It makes you look immature for supporting such bad behavior. You have let it be known that whenever a fundie speaks of religious freedom, it complete bullcrap. All it means is they want the privilege to act like dbags with impunity

  • Scott shaver

    Pretty clear to me Eric…..in every word as to where “the professor” sees himself. Wouldn’t expect you to see any differently than the one who’s water you’re toting.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    This sort of shrill, illogical namecalling and whining shows the damage done to the brand of Christianity by religious right fanatics.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    There’s no bravery in being a pawn in the religious right extremists’ power games. This was an incredibly stupid and futile gesture which has made her a worldwide joke. If this sort of activist bigotry is seen as representative of Christianity, and it is by millions, they want no part of it. These American Taliban christofascists represent nothing good and reveal the depth they will descend to seek power and control.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Assertions and namecalling do not constitute rational argument. Try again when you calm down. You may as well. The hatred and bigotry you advocate are the exact opposite of Christ’s radical hospitality and you are fooling no one with your silly games of stampyfeet angrypants here.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Nothing here is rational or presents edification; just shrill ranting and gameplaying incapable of fooling any but the most low information hacks.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Let’s not blame diety for the evils committed by humans.

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  • Michael

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”. Edmund Burke.
    Kudos to heroine Davis. I praise you for your courage.

  • Ben in oakland

    Why not?

    they do.

  • dmj76

    First Corinthians 5:12 “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?”

  • Re: “A ‘baptist apologist/professor’ piling on a woman sitting in jail for exercising her religious convictions as a Christian.”

    She’s not in jail for “exercising her religious convictions.” She’s in jail for having refused to perform the duties her job entails. It’s true those duties changed in June due to a Supreme Court ruling, but she’s required to perform them, or quit, if she cannot or will not.

    No one is keeping her in jail but her. She could be out in minutes. All she needs to do is resign and let others do the job she’d originally been elected to do but is no longer willing to perform. It really is just that simple.

  • Richard Rush

    If “Christianity is harmed by Kim Davis and her fans,” and I believe it is, then I want to thank Kim and her fans profusely for performing an important public service.

  • Ed

    She’s no heroine. And the bible says plainly that she should be stoned for all her divorces.

  • Bob

    Mark, seriously, your whole Jesus savior sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of the crazy Christian superstitions, is a steaming pile of nonsense out of the gate. How is it again that an omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic “god” you’ve made for yourself there.

    It’s also worth asking why such a claimed benevolent, wonderfully kind, “god” has to put us through thousands of years of anxious waiting before “saving” us from a life that he supposedly created. The Christian beliefs are just plain ridiculous, and obviously false.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    So? That makes them responsible for their actions, not God.

  • Be Brave

    Mr. Gushee,

    So, you motivate anti-Christians and active homosexual propagandists to implement their hatred for Christians to an intensity that will only lead to wholesale persecution of The Church. Not a one will do as Jesus preached. And encouraged by you why would they.

    “By their fruit you will know them.”

    I know you possess a mirror. The smug, academic elitist pose you present for your photo was well-crafted for a reason. And that effort wasn’t to inspire the faithful to the introspective act you “encourage.”

    “By their fruit you will know them.”

    You are a role model of the anti-Christ’s. I take no joy in the charge but I do take truth and honesty as important aspects of Christ. You should “come out” as the standard altering of scripture liberal that you truly are and stand together with the enemies of The Church in the open. Just as Jude described you and yours. Though Davis is misguided, she is at least showcasing who and what the enemies of The Church…

  • Ben in oakland

    My point exactly.

  • Larry

    Good people did something. They took this raging theocratic dbag put of office and into jail.
    They upheld rule of law and the notion that government must serve the entire public. Not just the prejudices of malicious officials.

    Davis is a coward. A coward who hides behind religion to avoid personal responsibility. A coward who relies on wingnut welfare legal services to abuse the system and become famous.

    It takes no courage or moral fiber to stand behind a bigoted whinybaby like her.

  • Billysees

    Kim Davis should do the following and stop all of the ‘attention getting’.

    Romans 13:1-5

    1. Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God.

    2. So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished.

    3. For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.

    4. The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong.

    5. So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.

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  • Jason

    Wow. Please tell me how your post in any way reflects Christ’s love. I think you should re-read his post to try to determine the message he’s trying to send. His message is that as a Christian there is a better way to address this situation which shows people who are different than you that Christ’s message is inclusive. This show we see unfolding in front of us is one of exclusion more than it is about gay marriage. Just consider the company Jesus kept.

  • Barry

    “Interesting seeing a Christian woman jailed( without bail) for her Christian beliefs. ”

    (a) She was not jailed for her beliefs.
    (b) She was jailed for contempt of court; of course she was denied bail.

  • I completely agree. Modern American evangelicals themselves do so much damage to their “message” by their own behavior that non-believers cannot hope to match them. We can offer the facts: that Exodus and Creation never actually happened, that there’s no real contemporaneous evidence for a single claim made by the Bible outside of some of the barest details. But people don’t believe because of facts. It takes a shock to make Christians start wondering about their religion’s claims. Hypocrisy definitely does the trick. Nobody fully deconverts because of hypocrites, but the questioning process can often begin because of them.

    What Christians need to be doing is figuring out ways of keeping that process from starting at all. At this point, it’s their only hope… which is why it’s only a matter of time.

    Just think, Zoroastrianism once stood at this junction.

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  • Kate

    No, he was clear that he would not defend her . It’s her job and if she does not like it she should find another job. He clearly stated that position. Read for understanding , not for finding sound bites to support your narrow view.

  • Kate

    Well, if so many believe that what Davis did was okay then they will be okay if, say, the manager at Burger King refuses to serve them citing that he doesn’t serve Christians? Or the baker refuses to sell you a cupcake because she notices the cross around your neck and states your religion goes against her beliefs? If it’s okay to desciminate and refuse service because you disagree with a lifestyle or viewpoint then…who’s viewpoint gets to decide who is an acceptable target for this refusal of service? Can Bojangles refuse to serve fat people because it offends the server that they are fat? They will claim their right to refuse is every bit as valid as Davis’. I’m curious: has Davis ever accepted services from someone who is gay, or Muslim, etc. Or does she ask first and determine if she will allow them to be her waiter/ waitress at the restaurant? Does she scrutinize who is behind the counter at the dry cleaners and request “only Christians” clean her clothes? All or…

  • Boo

    The woman was being jailed for contempt of court by refusing to adhere to the judges LEGAL order to process marriage licenses for gay couples. There is NO BAIL for contempt of court charges, silly. It is a civil violation of the law, not a criminal one in which bail may be offered. The length of stay in a contempt of court charge is wholly dependent upon the incarcerated person’s willingness to comply with the judge’s rightful order under the law, ie, the Constitution of the federal and state government, the federal law which supersedes state law on the same subject. When are you people going to get a clue about how the law actually works?

  • Boo

    Per your own rhetoric, apparently you believe that being “godless” equates with being “anti-christian” only. What about being anti-muslim? Anti-Jew? Anti-Hindi? Or is Christianity the only religion worth protection in your estimation? In all my world travels I have met many from all religions and also those of no religion (atheists, agnostics, et al). Morality, conscience, ethics and compassion are not reserved only for those claiming christianity. In fact, some of the most kind, compassionate people I have met were not christian at all. They were atheists, muslims, agnostics, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, etc.,. Of course, by your rhetoric, one would expect that you would refuse the same expectations and respect you gather from being a Christian to other practitioners of other religions, or, in fact, to those who have no religion at all. It is a fundamental flaw in believing that your religion is the ONLY religion or belief system that should enjoy “special treatment…

  • M.Craig

    Wow, calm down a little and read it again.

  • M.Craig

    Is good to see someone educating themself on the issue before commenting.

  • M.Craig

    How do you expect to be taken seriously if your homophobia prevents you from even fully spelling some of your own words?

  • M.Craig

    Please reference what book, chapter and verse number you quoted.

  • M.Craig

    Be brave, after reading your words I am wondering if you are the antichrist you speak of.

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  • What a load of utter rubbish. Gay people have long had to put up with the bullying and persecution from christianity. Now they can’t have their way anymore so they claim they are being “persecuted” .disgusting and hypocritical

    You and your hateful kind are thankfully on the wrong side of history and will soon be irrelevant. Good for this man to stand up and have his say.

  • AVe! Correct!

  • talk about cherry picking. not one of her rapacious defenders have decried her “Sinful” past and her hypocrisy. Your jesus spoke more against divorce than ever about homosexuality.