Conservatives outraged at gays on White House guest list for Pope Francis! (Vatican, not so much)

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Sister Simone Campbell speaks during 2012 Nuns on the Bus tour. Photo courtesy of NETWORK

Sister Simone Campbell speaks during 2012 Nuns on the Bus tour. Photo courtesy of NETWORK

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(RNS) Looks like American conservatives and Obama critics are more upset than anyone else. "I would love to visit and talk to gay and lesbian people," Francis said recently.

  • David Philippart

    As a practicing Catholic and a US citizen, I am not at all bothered by my sisters and brother Catholics (and the others) whom the White House has invited to greet the pope. In fact, I am very happy for them!

  • Kurt

    I’m willing to bet good money the Mass at the National Shrine, where the Church was in total control of the ticketing, will have among the thousands present at least two lgbt persons, a gay Episcopalian and a nun that has been falsely slurred as being pro-abortion simply because of advocacy for the poor.

    That certain elements of the right wing would invent such a false story speaks more about them than about anything else.

  • Alison

    seriously, you”re basing your opinion on Breitbart? I’m pretty conservative and I don’t have a problem with it. I do have a problem with people who stereotype and are lazy writers.

  • John

    It makes perfect sense for these folks to meet with the Pope as they share in common a commitment to create belief and practice out of human philosophy rather than just remaining in conformity with the Bible. However, I do think the question has to be asked that in a country that celebrates the separation of church and state, why is the leader of a Christian church being accorded this kind of honor? Will the White House receive every leader of every Christian church in the US, and every faith in the US now as well? If not, it sure looks like one faith group is getting preferential treatment. Then one has to ask why? Why does the White House go to such extremes? Why would the Pope care about the President? It is in the interest of Roman Catholics to support the President’s agenda to fill the voting rolls with former illegal immigrants as this will Catholicize the US. And it fits Obama’s agenda to leverage to pope for climate change actions. They both hope to use the other.

  • Doc Anthony

    There’s no real controversy here. Obama’s extreme (more accurately, extremist) devotion to the Gay Marriage Cult is now well-known across the world, and dominates the American landscape.

    So it’s only natural that he invited his gay activist pals to the Pope’s big party. The only shocker would have been if Obama had NOT invited them.

    At any rate, it’s a foregone conclusion that Pope Francis will be freely meeting with various Gay Activists and their allies during his big visit, and he will NOT be trying to debate against them. He’s not going to challenge them in any of his public speeches.

    So during his upcoming visit, do NOT look for Francis to openly say ANYTHING against the monstrous Legalized Gay Marriage movement in America,

    (At most, Francis may offer a very low-key, no-challenge “personal opinion” that he personally believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. But he is NOT going to rock any boats on the Gay Gestapo’s lake.)

  • Greg1

    This is classic Obama. He has always been one to take the low road, and then scream when it is pointed out. As for these people, well, I hope the pope challenges them to take their Christianity a little more seriously. And I say that in the sense that nobody on this earth has reached perfection, so we all need to continue to strive for God, His Ways, and Him alone. That requires us to embrace one another, and help each other in our walk to the Kingdom. Repentance is never easy, but if we all do it, it is workable. Hopefully our Lord will touch Gene Robinson and urge him to return. Our lives are a passing moment, and the sooner we ready ourselves for eternity, the better.

  • Be Brave

    Doc,

    Great post. Conservatives would do better to rid their own enclave of other gross sinners and reprobates. The hateful anti-Christian LGBT squad (redundancy alert) that Obama has supported are much easier to see that’s all.

    Just preach the Gospel, live by it and just let the dead marry the dead.

    Read Jude. He describes our times as if he was an Evangelical running a mega Church.

  • Bob in San Diego

    It is you, not the Holy Father, who has all sorts of problems with folks who are not like you. You wee I’ll be a better person if you take to heart what Pope Francis says.

  • Be Brave

    “Holy Father?”

    Francis is a man and nothing more. He may or may not be a Christian, that will be uncovered on the day he stands before The Holy Father. Or in actuality, the Holy Father’s Son.

    But like Francis, I don’t care what kind of people parade around religious ceremonies. It has nothing to do with who is and who isn’t a follower of Christ.

    If Jesus could tolerate the woman at the well, I’m sure Francis can tolerate a few other sexual miscreants surrounding him. No matter what Obama does in his political time here on earth, it won’t change Christian truth in the slightest.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Breitbart and related elements of the extreme right are not and never have been conservative. Breitbart is a business whose business plan is to stoke outrage among the rubes. Doing this makes them a beaucoup of money.

    Conservatism, in its classic sense, is little different from liberalism. What is called “conservatism” by the corporate media is merely the articulation of racism, sexism, and heterosexism.

  • Fran

    You can’t please all the people all the time in this crazy world of ours.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Do you ever practice saying such silly things in front of a mirror? “Gay gestapo”? “Gay marriage cult”? Seriously? You, my friend, are living in a world of your own making which refuses to recognize reality.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    The Pope “may or may not be” a Christian? Excuse me? This man is the CEO of the world’s largest affiliated group of Christians. If he were not a Christian, he would not hold that office. Reality, my friend. It would do you good to become acquainted with it.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Robinson “should be urged to return”? From what and to what? This has got to be among the top 100 silliest, most pompous statements ever on the internets.

  • Betty Clermont

    More dissembling from papal lapdog Gibson. WSJ: “The Vatican has taken offense at the Obama administration’s decision” etc. One Vatican official is all that is needed. The pope is anti-gay human rights but couches his remarks in euphemisms like “sanctity of the family”, “gender identity”, “ideological colonizaton.” In 1997, Ratzinger single-handedly changed the Catechism to read: “This [homosexual] inclination is objectively disordered.” So the pope can change this any time he wants but he won’t.

  • Greg1

    George, homosexuality is listed among the grave sins that will keep a soul from heaven after death: “do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who have sex with men” (1Cor 6:9). What good is Francis’ visit, if it does not encourage those who are far from God to return. We delude ourselves when we call “grave sin,” moral action.

  • Be Brave

    George,

    Your responses to stimuli are carefully orchestrated by the propaganda of cunning entities that Paul very accurately points out is darkness personified. “Powers and principalities in high places.” That the word “heterosexsm” can be used without its author realizing it is a manipulative and evil neologism shows that Christians are perfectly rational in their fear of their sexually perverse adversaries. One of which was elected president and has done all he can to define Christian life as Jesus and the Apostles taught it should be lived . . . as an enemy of mankind.

  • Be Brave

    George,

    You used the propaganda neologism “heterosexism.”

    Your brain is so washed you cannot even comprehend the darkness that has taken control of it.

  • Richard Rush

    BB, it’s almost comical when a fanatical Christian talks about propaganda from others . . . because there is no propaganda that can begin to match the volume, frequency, and absurdity of the propaganda relentlessly generated by people to validate and propagate their religion.

  • Richard Rush

    “Your brain is so washed . . .”

    BB, could you possibly be any less self-aware? There is simply no brainwashing that can begin to match the magnitude and intensity of the brainwashing inflicted on people to propagate religion.

  • Richard Rush

    “We delude ourselves when we call “grave sin,” moral action.”

    More accurately, we delude ourselves when we talk about “the kingdom of God” as if it were real.

  • Ben in oakland

    And, as always, you can leave out the revolvers and the slanderers who will also not get to go to heaven.

    That’s you, BB, BQRQ, Dommy, Doc, and quite a few others.

    Meanwhile BB slanders your pope, says your faith is a fake, and you say not a word about it.

    Why, someone would think you are actually, and simply, antigay.

  • ben in oakland

    sorry. Revilers. ipad did it again.

  • ben in oakland

    It’s not silly and pompous if you actually believe it.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Yeah, what Richard said. The hyperbolic insults of the advocates of repression are by no means rational or moral.

  • Ben in oakland

    Our president in an enemy of mankind. Right. One more time, you are showing just what your heart and soul are made of. But it’s fine with me. I’m not the one that has to live with a heart and a soul like that. And we both know where reviling and slander will have you end up? And so it remains fine with me. Though I’d pay good money to see the horror on your face in that situation. And if I believed your mythology.

    Christians are perfectly rational in their fear of their sexually perverse adversaries? 1000 characters cannot unpack all of the lies, absurdities, and prejudice contained therein.

    Christians– just some of them, the ones obsessed with sex and other people’s sins, anything but actually living according to your beliefs.

    Perfectly rational? not on this subject.

    sexually perverse? We prefer differently oriented.

    adversaries? and there you reveal the fear, paranoia, and projection that comprises the virulently antigay worldview,

  • Greg1

    Ben, that was not the subject matter. I would have it it were pertinent to the conversation.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    “Neologism” as used here = a weak response typical of a bully that’s been bested. If all the Divine is to you is harm to those whom you believe are less than you, I pity you.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    This assertion our LGBT Brothers and Sisters are somehow “unrighteous” is reprehensible. The scripture cited has no application whatsoever to the issue at hand. The writer should be sorely ashamed for his angry outburst at those who have done him no harm.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    “Disordered” as used here = meaningless namecalling devoid of rationality.

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  • Ben in oakland

    Of course it’s the subject matter. We’re talking about who won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Corinthians 6. Specks and beams.

    What you mean is that you don’t think it applies to you…Or ought to.

    That’s why we call it Christian hypocrisy and Christian exceptionalism. That’s why Kim Davis is dangerous to all people’s freedom in our country.

  • Ben in oakland

    So now, anatomy is destiny.

    According to the very anatomy of mammals, masturbation is disordered behavior. So is sex for pleasure, obviously. So if you have ever had sex with your wife for any reason but intending to create a baby, why you’ re been a nagging in disordered behavior. And circumventing pregnancy, my god, that is so very very disordered. Even the rhythm method!

    You are very, very depraved. Pray don’t deny it!

  • Ben in oakland

    It’s just doc. He uses words like that all of the time. It’s the only way he can maintain his unwarranted belief in his wholly imagined superiority as a heterosexual, a human, being, a moral person, and a Christian.

  • Ben in oakland

    The pope is not merely the leader of a Christian church. He is also the he’s of at.ate of an independent nation. As such, it is perfectly appropriate for Nr. Obama to invite him .

    Billy graham was certainly invited in to the councils of many American presidents.

    Filling the roles with illegal immigrant voters to ensure a catholic majority. honey, this isn’t 1958, and you’re no JFK. Anti catholic paranoia is no prettier than any other political philosophy based up paranoia.

  • Ben in oakland

    Damn this iPad. Head of state.

  • Ben in oakland

    Reality is nothing of concern to BB. He judges everyone who is not exactly the same kind of Christian he is. I wouldn’t want to call him a religious bigot, but I can say You don’t really see his type in polite society all that much any more.

    I’m old enough to remember when we Jews were the object of Christian love. “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew!” said SBC president F. Baily Smith in 1978, I think. shocking to hear that kind of base anti-semitism in the modern age, but there you have it. Smith was surprised that it didn’t fly quite so well as he thought it would, and that there was actually pushback. But the sentiments were quite common at the time.

    It’s just amazing the things these religious bigots tell themselves about the people they Despise. You would almost think that they didn’t actually follow the beliefs that they claim to follow.

    But far be it from me to question those who are certain that God has them on speed dial.

  • alison

    You are absolutely correct.

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  • George Nixon Shuler

    If you think our LGBT Brothers and Sisters are somehow included in that group, but you yourself somehow are not, that is your hubris talking there.

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