Francis bids farewell, tells Catholics to avoid ‘perversion’ of ‘narrow’ faith

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Pope Francis, center, arrives to celebrate the final Mass of his visit to the U.S. at the Festival of Families on Benjamin Franklin Parkway in Philadelphia on September 27, 2015. Photo courtesy of REUTERS/Tony Gentile

Pope Francis, center, arrives to celebrate the final Mass of his visit to the U.S. at the Festival of Families on Benjamin Franklin Parkway in Philadelphia on September 27, 2015. Photo courtesy of REUTERS/Tony Gentile

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PHILADELPHIA (RNS) In his final Mass before nearly 1 million people, the pope called on the Catholic Church to be open to everyone and to change -- flashpoint themes for a major Vatican meeting of bishops next week.

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  • WW

    Matthew 7:13-23 says the gate is narrow!

  • Bernardo

    = Matt 7:13-14
    /7:13/ “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road is easy that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it. /14/ For the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

    But did Jesus utter these words?

    No, he did not. See for example: http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb163.html
    and Professor Gerd Ludemann’s analysis in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 152-153.

  • Doc Anthony

    When this nation, and all its Catholics, Protestants, and other religions, crash head-on into catastrophic divine judgment (and it’s looking like a lock these days), then let Pope Francis and Gerd Ludemann advise us on how to put out the fires and dig ourselves out of what will be a rather deep hole.

  • Since neither you nor Ludemann were there, Bernardo,how do either of you know what Jesus said,or whether the Biblical authors recorded His Words accurately? Usually this type of back-and-forth winds up being what I refer to the nowhere road traveled by”dueling scholars”leading down a one-way road to pseudo-intellectual nonsense.I can name 10 scholars who can affirm the exact opposite of Ludemann’s claim…now what? I’ve studied/have been studying the Christian Faith for over 25 years now, and to date I’ve yet to find a reason to label any Biblical author a liar.

  • Roger

    Since when do German theology professors define what is in and out of the Biblical canon?

  • Billysees

    Notable comments by Pope Francis —

    ” …avoid “harsh and divisive language” that may momentarily satisfy the ego…the shepherds should embrace an approach “which attracts men and women through the attractive light and warmth of love.” ”

    ” Do not fear the world, or fear compromise with one’s foes, but dialogue and work for the common good. ”

    An excellent comment.

    ” “A Christianity which ‘does’ little in practice, while incessantly ‘explaining’ its teachings, is dangerously unbalanced,” …“I would even say that it is stuck in a vicious circle.”

    ” The faith is spread…rather than expounding “complicated doctrines,” “

  • Mary Wood

    Surely to under-rate one half of the human race – and of the Church- is a narrow faith and a foolish perversion?
    WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO RECOGNISE WOMANKIND?

  • Sister Geraldine Marie, OP, RN, PHN

    “Womankind” has always been recognized and exalted in the Church by honoring the Blessed Virgin! She is a model for both men and women, this Lady, who “knows how to obey” the Holy Spirit, who, “ponders the Word in her heart.” Go and learn from her!

  • Bernardo

    When said German and American scholars analyze the NT passages with rigorous historic testing.

  • Bernardo

    LC. Ringo,

    o Professor JD Crossan and other contemporary NT scholars have rigorously tested all the NT passages using the modern techniques of number of attestations, time strata, grammar, local community social interactions, language and archaeology to determine passage authenticity. A summary of Professor Crossan’s studies and conclusions (only 30% of the NT is authentic) can be found in his book, The Historic Jesus and at http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?title=Crossan_Inventory. Other studies of Professor Crossan and plus those of other exegetes can also be found at http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html.

    Professor Gerd Ludemann’s studies and conclusions can found in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years. He summarizes the authentic NT passages on pp. 694-695 (significantly less than 30% authentic) and as with other experts, Professor Ludemann notes the following:

    p. 416,

    “Anyone looking for the historical Jesus will not find him in the Gospel of John…

  • Bernardo
  • Bernardo

    Mary was blessed but was by no means a virgin.

    Mark’s gospel, the most historical of the four gospels, does not even mention the event. (i.e. X-mas)

    And from Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 269-272, “The historical yield of the Lukan infancy narrative in respect to the birth of Jesus is virtually nil.

    Matt 1:18-25: , pp. 123-124, “The fathering of Jesus from the Holy Spirit and his birth from the virgin Mary are unhistorical”. Ludemann gives a very detailed analysis to support his conclusions. One part being the lack of attestations to these events and the late time strata of said story.

    “Lüdemann [pp. 261-63) discounts Luke’s account as a legend deriving from Jewish Hellenistic circles that were concerned to hold together the procreation of the Spirit, the authentic son-ship of the Messiah and the virginal conception. ”

    continued below:

  • Bernardo

    “The following ancient parallels to Jesus’ miraculous conception should be noted:

    Birth of Moses (Exod 2:1-10)
    Birth of Plato (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, 3.45) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 507]
    Birth of Alexander the Great (Plutarch, Parallel Lives, 2.1-3.5) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 502f]
    Birth of Apollonius (Philostratus, Life of Apollonius, I.4) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 505]”

    And some final words from Thomas Jefferson, not a contemporary NT scholar, but indeed a very learned man:

    “And the day will come,
    when the mystical generation of Jesus,
    by the Supreme Being as His Father,
    in the womb of a virgin,
    will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva”

    Letter to John Adams, from Monticello, April 11, 1823.

  • “AVOID PERVERSION..” – POPE FRANCIS
    Or follow your Bible:
    “Surrender to perversity..” – (1 PETER 2:18)

    “AVOID NARROW FAITH” – POPE FRANCIS
    Or follow your Bible:
    “Follow the narrow path” – JESUS (Matthew 7:14)

    I don’t mind if the Pope abandons his Bible. It would improve the world to abandon all of it – But he must stop calling it scripture as he does so.

  • Bernardo

    More on Mary:

    Matt 1:18-25: (Jesus After 2000 Years , pp. 123-124) “The fathering of Jesus from the Holy Spirit and his birth from the vi-rgin Mary are unhistorical”. Ludemann gives a very detailed an-alysis to support his conclusions. One part being the lack of attestations to these events and the late time strata of said story.

    “Lüdemann [pp. 261-63) discounts Luke’s account as a legend deriving from Jewish He-llenistic circles that were concerned to hold together the pro-creation of the Spirit, the authentic son-ship of the Messiah and the v-irginal conception. ”

    Some words hyphenated to defeat a word filter.

  • Ted

    Narrow indeed. You have to love everyone just as God made them. And, obviously, this is hard for many people.

  • Shawnie5

    Bernardo, enough with this Karla-esque spam. The so-called “Jesus Seminar” was a pow-wow of liberal theologians, not historians, and their methods were anything but “rigorous” but largely consisted of pre-set premises that beg the very questions they purported to examine. Don’t be so easily impressed.

  • Bernardo

    Shawnie,

    The voting methods of the Jesus Seminarians were an attempt to get as much input into the validity of the NT passages as possible.

    Others like Professors Crossan and Ludemann used rigorous historic testing as previously described i.e using the modern techniques of number of attestations, time strata, grammar, local community social interactions, language and archaeology to determine passage authenticity.

  • Shawnie5

    “The voting methods of the Jesus Seminarians were an attempt to get as much input into the validity of the NT passages as possible.” In that case one would think they would have put together a larger and more diverse group of experts, and engaged in actual debate rather than dropping colored beads into a container. The seminar was composed of a small group of liberal fringe theologians personally selected by Robert Funk who also set the “premises” and “rules of evidence” that would be used to examine the gospels.

    Premise #1: “The historical Jesus is to be distinguished from the gospel portraits of him.”

    Rule of Evidence #1: The evangelists frequently group sayings and parables in clusters and complexes that did not originate with Jesus.”

    And that’s only the first two…

    All fine…if this is what the examination of the gospels reveal. But these are their STARTING POINTS. And this is supposed to be “rigorous testing?” Pfft.

  • Ed

    because “god” made so many mistakes and made a lot of dis-likeable, badly flawed people…

  • Dr. Cajetan Coelho

    Narrow vision and fundamentalism – detrimental to union of hearts and minds.

  • Bernardo

    Shawnie,

    Re-read my comments. I did not say that the Jesus Semarians used rigorous historic testing. I said Professors Crossan and Ludemann did. The Jesus Semarians discussed the NT passages under review and based on this discussion and the analyses of the participants themselves voted as to the authenticity of said passage.