• Iam glad to see it noted that this is an entheogen, and like cannabis brings light within!

  • “It’s still the kind of thing clergy are scared to death to get close to,” he said. “We’ve portrayed drugs as demonic for so many decades. … It’s still toxic.”

    If God needs us to damage our brains in order to see him that would be a good argument against his existence – let alone his goodness. A trickster God who hides until our brains are properly altered would be of no use to anyone.

    Believe this stuff if you wish. But a God who appears with the help of a pill would be just a bad drug.

  • Richard H

    Such a trickster God would have also been responsible for the mushroom in the first place. Orrrr there’s no anthropomorphic God, and we can still see it as miraculous that the same world that manifested us also manifested a mushroom that grows chemicals in our bodies that provide us revelatory, mystical, cosmic experiences.

    If you portray yourself as an atheist then I suspect you have a distaste for those who accept what they’re told without critique. As the psychoactive chemicals in psychedelic mushrooms have no known toxicity, I would ask you to give up your belief that mushrooms cause brain damage. There is no evidence to support that conclusion.

    I’ve heard psychedelics described as “church for atheists.” I hope someday you get over your trepidation and take the dive into that deep water. But do your homework first — remember set and setting, and bring trusted company along for your first time.

  • Richard H

    * in ITS body, not “in our bodies.”

    It’s before my first coffee.

  • @Richard,

    You misunderstand. I’m sure the drugs are fun – and perhaps safe (though you carefully warn me about ‘set and setting’ so I doubt it). Glimpsing a cool unfamiliar scene for a temporary period of time thanks to mind-altering chemistry cannot be a valid way of reaching a god who cares about humanity.

    I’ve had enough mind-altering drugs to know what is going on here. If God is in a pill or a mushroom he is denying 99.99% of humanity a chance to witness him – and for a God who could do anything, that is too ridiculous to believe.
    There is certainly nothing pious or righteous in such a god.

  • I am a long time Buddhist meditator who did many three month Dzogchen retreats during a period of several years on the higher Himalayas and I have discussed the relationships between psychedelics and Dzogchen practice in an Appendix to Vol. IV of my four-volume book The Beyond Mind Papers: Transpersonal and Metatranspersonal Theory (2013, Blue Dolphin Publishing, Nevada City, CA). My conclusion is that all states produced by psychedelics have been charted by the Dzogchen teachings, yet nearly all of them are deemed by those teachings to lie within samsara rather than to be instances of nonstatic nirvana / rigpa… I could write longer but the reader can go to the Appendix in question…

  • AP

    An intriguing comment, Elias-la! Is the only way to access that appendix by purchasing the physical book? Or might you have the relevant snippet accessible online? This is a topic of much interest to me, and I hadn’t realized that someone had covered it!

  • Barree

    Elias- Read Jesus among other gods by Ravi Zacharias cause Buddhists
    are stuck in an endless cycle of trying to earn perfect karma which is not
    possible and that is why we need Jesus plus if there were others ways to
    go to heaven why would He/Jesus go to the Cross if there are other ways?

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  • AP

    Prof. Capriles, are you sure it was not Vol III?

  • Oh, I think it’s also in Vol. II of Beyond Being, Beyond Mind, Beyond History, which is freely available in my Website, but that’s an older version: that book hasn’t been published in print because it isn’t ready. I think there is another version in a paper of the “Beyond Mind” series published in the International Journal of Transpersonal Studies. However, the definitive one is in Vol. IV of The Beyond Mind Papers, a four-volume book published in 2013 by Blue Dolphin Publishing in Nevada City, CA. My email address is eliascapriles@gmail.com; if you write to me to that address I can copy the relevant appendix into a new file and send it to you as an attached file.

  • hoffman

    if you pump enough drugs in your system, you might ultimately hallucinate and believe that God speaks to you; or you might believe that St Patrick called you to slay all the snakes in Ireland, and send you off on a mission by sailboat.

    When one is sober, drug-free, and well-rested without suffering from sleep deprivation, the voices we hear are more often our own sense of morality and our conscience.

    True belief relies on true clarity of vision

  • TTP

    hoffman-Conscience/Con-science means with knowledge so God has given
    us all our conscience to know right and wrong plus in Romans 1:18-32 says
    God made it known He is real through a/the miracle of creation because the
    earth didn’t create itself so it takes more faith to believe this whole universe is
    just here by a/some random chance so do some research on Bible prophecy.

  • cken

    God didn’t create a flawed life. He gave us free will and against His will we chose a flawed life. Regardless of what mythology you subscribe to all mythology that has survived the test of time contains truths which are eternal. It is up to us to ferret out those truths. Spiritual can be found in many things from Shakespeare to the Gita, to the movie Star Wars to the Bible to J.R.R.Tolkien to the movie Avatar to things Science is discovering. It all boils down to what you are looking for and what you want to believe. But yes you are right all organized religions have created some silly beliefs they claim stem from their Holy Books. But that too is a function of man not God. The Bible for example contains much truth and great wisdom in it’s mythology; that doesn’t mean every word should be taken literally as something inerrant, holy and divinely inspired.

  • cken

    “Orrrr there’s no anthropomorphic God” This begs the question did god create man or did man create god. The answer is both are true. We can’t possibly comprehend god so we attribute human characteristics to him.

  • cken

    I checked out the web site. There is only one thing wrong with the amputee question. Amputees are not ill in any way so the argument even the question is specious. Many who are bound to a wheel chair have found it gives them a venue of service they would not have otherwise found. When bad things happen to us we should always look for the lesson contained therein whether the lesson be secular or spiritual. Often times it is both and we have to learn how to make the best in a spiritual and secular way with the hand we are dealt.

  • Petey B

    Am I religious? No. Have I had religious experiences? Yes, on psychedelics. I realized that the idea of God may more closely represent (or be more universally described as) whatever forces are responsible for life and existence. The rigid definitions of God that prevail in Western culture are at odds with this concept. They’d have you believe God is a being of sorts, pulling strings behind the scenes, when really God IS the strings, the very fibers of existence enabling life, death, space, and time.

    Anyway…

    Your comments point toward a very rigid idea of God, requiring that it care for, monitor, and acknowledge humanity instead of, you know, existing alongside and within humanity. I’ll admit, eating shrooms didn’t make me see a bearded man going over a list of who should get miracles that day. What it DID do was dissolve many ludicrous mental blocks I had on the concept of God.

    In defense of psychedelics; a drug that allows you to see life through new eyes is simply a…

  • Pete

    No way chi-cken. The amputees question is a valid one to ask, as is why god created typhus, cancers, and all those many diseases. The bible as a book by a “god” is a load of crock and mistakes. You also haven’t dealt with the non-sacrifice issue at all that Bob brought up.

  • Erik B

    I was a hardcore atheist from the time I was 16 until I was about 42. I used to love arguing with religious people and making them look foolish for believing in imaginary nonsense. Then I drank a big cup of ayahusca a few times in the Amazon Jungle, and when I left Peru I could no longer call myself an atheist. Scoff all you want, but until you have the courage to take a large dose of psychedelics you won’t understand nearly as much as you think you do.

  • There are many “religious type experiences”. It is important to understand that not ALL of them are from God or will cause us to draw nearer to God or He nearer to us. An experience for experience sake is not a good way to seek after God and truth. We are created in His image. He made us to commune with Him through prayer, and through meditation and study of His Words. Those that are found in the Holy Books. He has not left us without a blue print. He has given us all we need if we sincerely are seeking for Him. We need to recognize that we are separated from God by sin. And understand that God reached down to us, not us reaching up to Him, when He sent Jesus down from heaven to die on the cross for our sins. Jesus is the bridge to the Father. He has given us His Holy Spirit to guide us in the way. To comfort us and lead us into all truth. This is God’s way of communing with us. Better to do things His way then to try to make up our own way to Him. God Bless