Women fear their voices will be sidelined in Catholic synod’s final report

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VATICAN CITY (RNS) There are "times that I have felt the condescension so heavy, you could cut it with a knife,” said one Catholic sister. "Some of it is, 'Oh, here comes the bleeding heart. Well, she's a woman; what else would you expect?' kind of thing."

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  • Bernardo

    Blame it on Paul:

    Anti-female comments in “Pauls” epistles.

    8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
    9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
    10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
    11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
    12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
    13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
    14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
    15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
    ( Timothy 2:8-15 KJV)”

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  • Bernardo

    “Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)”

    “He (Paul) feared the turn-on of women’s voices as much as the sight of their hair and skin….. At one point he even suggests that the sight of female hair might distract any angels/ “pretty wingie talking fictional thingies” in church attendance (1 Cor. 11:10). (from Professor Chilton’s book Rabbi Paul).

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  • dmj76

    There are 13 Pauline epistles in the New Testament. Seven of them were actually for sure written by Paul. In these seven, nine women are mentioned by name. Phoebe is a deacon, Junia is called “coworker with the apostles”, none of the nine women is in any way attacked. It looks like Paul might have been working with them. What is going on? Copy damage – we have copies of copies of copies for centuries, much of it copied by men who did not see women as equals., The actual historical Paul might not have been as anti-women as he appears.

    (There is a good consensus among non-fundamentalist scholars that Paul did not write either of the Timothy epistles.)

  • Bernardo

    But Paul did write the following as per the analyses of Professors Crossan and Reed in their book “In Search of Paul”.

    “Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)”

  • SteveInCO

    Timothy was almost certainly not written by Paul. The problems addressed there are distinctly second-century issues (churches didn’t have those features before then) and the style is totally wrong.

    That doesn’t take Xianity off the hook though, as they decided to adopt Timothy as canonical.

  • SteveInCO

    So in spite of almost every bit of evidence you presented that it was Paul’s fault being slammed down, there being one exception…we are still supposed to blame it ALL on Paul?

    In point of fact even 1 Cor 14:34-35 is so similar to the Timothy forgery, and so unlike everything else Paul wrote, that many scholars think it was a later insertion. (See Ehrman, The New Testament, A Historical Introdoction, pages 409-410.)

    Mind you this does not excuse Xian excesses against women, it just indicates Paul isn’t the source of it.

  • Bernardo

    But Paul’s words still stand and until the RCC and Christianity in general refutes these words, said religion is guilty as charged. The RCC is more culpable by forbidding women to be priests.

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