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  • Earold D Gunter

    Which version? Yours, someone else’s? Every single person who believes in a god thinks they KNOW the path to him, including you Fran. Is it that you are right and everyone else is wrong, or maybe, just maybe, you all are wrong?

  • Larry

    Religious types badmouth themselves. They don’t need a lot of help from anti-theists (who are a vocal but not widely accepted group).

    Religious types badmouth religion by:
    -Engaging in atrocity in the name of their faith
    -Attacking education in favor of mythology
    -Attacking civil liberties in service of sectarian agendas
    -Hypocritical moral pronouncements for others, but never followed themselves
    -Engaging in emotional extortion for “charity”
    -Avaricious behavior when it comes to money allegedly given for charity.

    Josh Duggar, Bryan Fischer and ISIS do more to hurt the credibility and acceptance of religion than anything Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens has ever said.

  • John McGrath

    There will always be religion. There will always be ythe use of religion for both good and evil.

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  • “A deep sense of peace and wonder” indeed. Well said. That is how I have felt ever since I received Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior years ago. His awesome peace and power and presence and wonder have been with me ever since. Jesus is indeed the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Receive Him as Lord and Savior. Turn from sin and follow Him in the power of His Holy Spirit, and you will know His wonder and presence and power and peace in your own life. God Bless

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  • B.F.

    It doesn’t matter, even if 100% of Catholics/Protestants/Jewish think homosexuality should be okay. IT IS STILL a grievous sin condemn-able to eternal damnation. We don’t have the authority to change what is sin and what is not sin. Only God has that authority. And He has made it perfectly clear that homosexual activity is “an abomination”.

  • Tammye

    B.F- Amen but don’t forget getting drunk,premarital sex,gossip,gambling,
    coveting/ jealousy, being mean are all sins as well. 1 Corinthians 6:9-12.

  • B.F.

    Tammye: Thank you for your insightful comment. You have no argument from me. Except that there is sin that is greater than other sin. (John 19:11) And in this thread, my comment was only in reference to homosexual activity.

  • Tammye

    B.F.- You are welcome.

  • Larry

    “Except that there is sin that is greater than other sin”

    So saying “Jesus Christ, Godammit!” is the same as mass murder. There is some nice Christian perspective for you.

    This is why people should never take religion seriously as a source of moral thinking.

  • B.F.

    Larry, you need to read my last post again. You took it from the wrong perspective. I never said, as you put it, “Jesus Christ, Godammit!” is the same as mass murder. I’m not sure how you got that from my post. My perspective was that in the realm of all sins, there are sins that are greater than other sins.

    Also, if you don’t take Jesus Christ as a source of moral thinking, then I fear the fate of your soul at your judgement.

  • jimmychonga4u@gmail.com

    Catholic priests and bishops have subverted social virtue for social “justice”. Social Virtue is based on human nature, doesn’t change and leads to fulfillment. Social “justice” is imposed by power, inconsistent with human nature and leads to misery. Catholics need those informed with the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas to rectify this non-sense.

  • jimmychonga4u@gmail.com

    Not all sins are as egregious as others. Homosexuality, abortion, adultery and murder are “list toppers”, they cannot be compared to gambling or drinking which are more injurious to self than others. (I know, drunk driving, yada, yada and the effect of alcohol on a marriage. I get that – the point is the Sin PER SE.)

  • Tammye

    jimmychong- Read 1 Corinthians 5…1 Corinthians 6:9-12 and Matthew 7:13-23
    also Luke 13 plus read in Romans 1:18-32 and Luke 13 also Galations 5:12-26.

  • Larry

    You are trying to tell me blasphemy is not considered a mortal sin in the Bible?

    How about polytheism? Also described as a mortal sin (and mentioned far more times than homosexuality)

    Under divine moral command, you cannot exist side by side with those who worship many gods like Hindus and Buddhists. You have a holy duty to kill them, their families and people.

    The Bible is a terrible source for moral guidance.

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  • ben in oakland

    Perhaps you would be so kind to tell me how my sin of homosexuality harms others, apart from the wallets of dominion-oriented so called chrstians.

    But please, list only facts. Making up stuff is simply not allowed. and please, only facts that actually are facts, not hysterical right wing nutjob fairy tales that you tell yourself to scare yourself.

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  • Michael

    Well said.

  • Anita

    I truthfully think this is a biased survey. There are times when a survey is taken it will be in a certain group of people that have an attitude that will cause the outcome to be biased. What this article says about Catholics obviously is the case I am speaking of. I am a Catholic and know of too many people who are faithful to the teachings of the Church. This article is undermining the truth.

  • Richard Rush

    B.F., your comment is nothing but groundless assertions that have been repeated for a few thousand years. Only gullible people will accept such assertions without evidence, and as much as you want to believe it, your Bible does not qualify as evidence. Other religions have holy books to validate them among their believers, and they are all bunk, so why would yours be any different? And, only the gullible will be persuaded by trotting out the fear of “eternal damnation.”

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  • Bernardo

    But they all serve to point out the absurdity of all religions. Some do it peacefully.

  • Fran

    Earold,

    There is a plethora of religions in the world today. Some of them allegedly are based on God and his Word, the Bible; and others are not, following other gods, other books of instruction, or other lifestyles.

    But many people are distressed by the hypocrisy and harmful teachings of various religions, which is probably a major reason why many have left it and will continue to do so.

    Of course, every religion professes to teach only the truth, just as many politicians profess to say only the truth. But major conflicts and disagreements on teachings, doctrines and laws, etc., arise between all of them.

    However, a remarkable prophecy in the book of Revelation of the Bible actually foretold, not only the modern-day exodus of false religions, but also its complete destruction (chapters 17 and 18). Time will tell which one(s) will prove to be false/untruthful, as well as where the truth can be genuinely found and enjoyed.

  • “Deep sense of wonder”

    Yeah. It’s called the Hubble Telescope and the poetry of W.H.Auden.
    Religion is anti-human:

    “The kingdom of heaven advances through violence, and violent men take it by force.” – JESUS (Matthew 11:12)

    Find your peace in culture:
    humanity, nature, landscapes, music, art, paintings, literature, theatre, science, philosophy.

    What a disaster to waste any time on Jesus. Absurd.

    “Hate them all” – JESUS (Luke 14:26)

    Horrible nonsense.

  • Bill

    Moral relativism leads to immorality in total.

  • @B.F.,

    “IT IS STILL a grievous sin…”

    Nonsense.
    This is the sort of divisive, hateful stuff which comes only from religion.

    “Kill Homosexuals” – God (Leviticus 20:13)

    Nobody should follow this depravity. Murder like this is primitive and barbaric.

  • “Sin”

    A word which means nothing. It is a law against a thing which doesn’t exist.

  • Moral relativism is the only morality worth discussing.
    Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told.
    Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.

    Religion must die off.

  • Bernardo
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  • Bernardo,

    I don’t like Crossan’s work. He speculates too much. There is no evidence a ‘Q’ ever existed yet he keeps relying on it.
    Jesus is a composite of several myths and stories about the Jewish rebellion against Rome and Nero (who is 666 from Revelation).

    Jesus is just an ancient revenge fantasy.

  • Larry

    Here is an article you guys may be interested in:

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/reasonadvocates/2015/11/3/jesus-never-existed/

    “People raised in predominately Christian countries are just told from birth that Jesus lived at that time, and most of us never thought to question that. That’s the only reason why most historians still don’t, unless they’re Christian. Then they believe it on faith as well. But the fact is that there is no historic evidence that Jesus ever existed, and at least some historians now admit that.”

  • Fran

    Sue,

    Faith in God and his Word, the Bible, is not a matter of credulity. By studying the Bible, its wisdom becomes apparent and faith grows (Romans 10:17; Hebrews 11:1).

    Biblical archaeology confirms much of the Bible’s historical accuracy. True science harmonizes with the Bible. The following facts were in the Bible long before discovered by secular authorities: The order of stages which the earth passed in development; the earth is round and hangs in space on nothing; and that birds migrate (Genesis, chapter 1; Isaiah 40:22; Job 26:7; Jeremiah 8:7).

    Regarding fulfilled prophecies, Daniel foretold in advance the rise and fall of world powers (Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Anglo-American), and the time the Messiah would come and be put to death (Daniel, chapters 2, 8; 9:24-27).

    Today, other prophecies are being fulfilled that we are in the last days of a wicked era (2 Tim. 3:1-5; Matthew, chapter 24). Such foreknowledge is not within man’s power.

  • Bernardo

    And once again:

    From Professors Crossan and Watts’ book, Who is Jesus.

    “That Jesus was crucified under Pontius Pilate, as the Creed states, is as certain as anything historical can ever be.” Details previously presented.

  • Bernardo

    Fran,

    Unfortunately, none of your “thumptations” pass rigorous historic testing. Old time prophets are today called fortune tellers. Same con game though.

  • Fran

    Bernardo,

    Fortunately, all of the prophecy about the world powers came true, just as Daniel told King Nebuchadnezzar, in advance of their taking place, and in exact order, which prophecy was inspired by God.

    Our present day Anglo-American dual world power (represented by the feet and toes partly of iron and clay of the image Daniel saw), came into existence during the First World War, and will be the last one.

    The difference between the prophets of God in the Bible and the fortune-tellers and other practitioners of spiritism today is that the latter are inspired by Satan, and not God. They are definitely the “real con game” since Satan is the master of that game.

  • Fran

    Sue, I cannot retract the statements since what God purposes and plans for mankind, whether any of us humans believe them or not, is guaranteed to happen, just as the sun rises every morning and the moon appears every night. He cannot tell a lie (Titus 1:2).

  • Billysees

    If ‘sin’ is so bad or undesirable, then why do we do it?

    If we do our own ‘sin’, why can’t others do their own ‘sin’?

    Sin is the breaking of God’s laws we’re told. But what are God’s laws? Where are they? How can anyone know what they are?

    How can we know exactly what are sins and what are not?