GOP rivals call Trump’s Muslim database idea ‘wrong’ and ‘dangerous’

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Donald Trump is falling in the GOP candidate polls as he is dogged by his controversial remarks about Muslims and rebuffed by black clergy. REUTERS/Brian Snyder      TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY

Donald Trump is falling in the GOP candidate polls as he is dogged by his controversial remarks about Muslims and rebuffed by black clergy. REUTERS/Brian Snyder TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY

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GOP rivals Gov. John Kasich and Jeb Bush objected immediately to Trump's proposal.

  • Bernardo

    War is Hell- General Sherman

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  • Larry

    1. Its still not as bad as his idea to force all Muslims to sew little green crescents on their clothing. 🙂

    2. “Asked how that differed from efforts last century to track Jews in Nazi Germany, he said: “You tell me.””

    Translation: “I can’t think of a difference either, my white supremacist voting base wouldn’t find the distinction a negative anyway”
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/25/politics/david-duke-donald-trump-immigration/

    3. One has to bear in mind 3 candidates (Jindal, Huckabee, Cruz) attended a rally featuring man who advocates execution of gays. The connection between some Republicans and Nazis isn’t really subtext anymore.
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/11/gop-presidential-candidates-appear-with-pastor-calling-for-execution-of-gays/

  • Fran

    Yes, usually war puts most of its participants into the grave…??

  • Fran

    My brothers and sisters wore the purple star in the concentration camps.

  • T – Tyrannical
    R – Racist
    U – Uritic
    M -Malignant
    P – Pestilence

  • Lin

    Fran,
    you are right in pointing out that the Jehovah’s Witnesses, too, were a targeted minority in Nazi Germany. I grew up in the 1950s in a neighborhood where I had numerous Jewish neighbors with numbers tattooed on their arms. So these ideas coming from Trump and other Republican candidates are, quite honestly, terrifying.

    Initially, in the 1930s, all the government had to do was keep repeating how dangerous these folks were– then it made sense to identify them. And, having identified them, it made sense to remove them from some areas of public life– shops, government offices… just for the protection of the populace. And then for everyone’s safety, you know, it made sense to relocate them to be with “their own kind.”

    We can see where they were going here, because we have the benefit of hindsight. So why can so many people NOT see it when it applies to Muslims?

  • Larry

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/20/morning-plum-marco-rubio-tiptoes-around-trumps-call-for-closing-mosques/

    Rubio stated on Fox News:

    “It’s about closing down anyplace — whether it’s a cafe, a diner, an internet site — anyplace where radicals are being inspired.”

    “any facility that’s being used to radicalize and inspire attacks against the United States, should be a place that we look at.”

    If done honestly, such measures would include closing down Fox News. 🙂

  • DougSlug

    Regarding #2…Your translation is probably accurate, but I have a slightly different view on it:

    I’m certainly not a Trump advocate, but I think there is a difference between tracking Jews in Nazi Germany and tracking Muslims now. The Jews didn’t (and still don’t, as far as I know) have a reputation for strapping bombs to themselves and running into public buildings, shooting up public venues, taking hostages and cutting off their heads, deliberately flying planes into buildings, or, in general, killing innocent people of other religions. Yes, of course we know not all Muslims practice these acts (the vast majority do not), but the probability of a Muslim doing them is way, way higher than a Jew doing them.

    Think of it as a form of “risk management”.

  • DougSlug

    I would consider buying into that if you could give even one example of how this perfect “heavenly government” has been, or could ever be implemented for all humans on this planet. It’s that kind of pure, impracticable religious rhetoric that’s thankfully causing your numbers to dwindle as time goes by.

  • Larry

    The only difference being we have more effective methods of implementation than the Nazis had. There is no excuse of “but their Muslim”. What is being advocated is inherently evil.

    “The Jews didn’t (and still don’t, as far as I know) have a reputation for strapping bombs to themselves”

    The Jews has a far WORSE reputation. They were blamed for the collapse of the world economy, for communism, for Stalin, for the death of Jesus…

    The Japanese Americans had zero reputation for mayhem, yet mobs advocated their internment in concentration camps.

    You will not find a sane excuse in trying to distinguish the targets of such clearly fascist minded suggestions. Its not “risk management” its what people do as a prelude to discrimination and genocide.

    If religious freedom has any value in this country, then you do not target people for sanction on the basis of their faith. THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS HERE!

  • Jack

    There is not a shred of doubt in my mind, Larry, that you would shutter Fox News if you had the power to do so. Later on, you’d come up with some nonsensical excuse for it.

  • Larry

    [Facepalms] As usual, missing the point in order to make a silly personal attack. Whatever.

    So who again is advocating shutting down, “facilities which inspire radicals”? 🙂

  • Ben in oakland

    Larry, you atheists are all alike.

    Always defending religious freedom!!!!! Always attacking discrimination on the basis of religious belief.

    What’s wrong with you people? The next thing you know, you’ll want to put religious freedom onto the constitution or sumpin’.

  • Larry

    Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Trump is ramping up the fascist type rhetoric the same week “Man in High Castle” premiered on Amazon?

  • Jack

    Sorry, Larry, but I’m not Donald Trump, nor am I one of his supporters. But you knew that already.

  • Jack

    DougSlug, it’s a very poor application of risk management you are defending. Religious freedom is America’s first freedom, literally and figuratively. It must be cherished as such.

    The vast majority of America’s Muslims are decent, law-abiding, peaceful citizens. I will grant that some are not, but it is a minute number. European nations have it a lot worse with their Muslim populations.

    There are far more intelligent ways of defending the homeland than threatening bedrock freedoms. If a mosque, for example, has been deeply radicalized, law enforcement should surveil it. But for every Muslim to be deemed guilty until proven innocent simply because he or she is a Muslim is deeply unjust and wrong-headed.

  • Jack

    Larry, you’re of course right in this case, but to present yourself as a defender of religious freedom is like a cannibal presenting himself as a humanitarian. You are as far from supporting the universal right to religious freedom as anyone posting on these boards.

  • larry

    Troll says what? Another caca flinging exercise by Ad hominem Jack.

  • DougSlug

    Although my “risk management” comment was meant to be ironic, I don’t think religious freedom was fundamentally understood to include killing whomever you want in the name of your religion. Once that line is crossed, it’s not “religious freedom” any more, it’s “religious crime” deserving the application of anti-crime methods; among them is the tracking and profiling of high risk individuals and groups.

    So I agree with your point about the place of religious freedom in America, but I don’t think what those who are most likely to commit religion-based crime, namely Muslims, are practicing a “freedom”, but rather just the opposite, namely oppression of religious freedom through terrorism.

  • DougSlug

    The above comment was in response to a comment that appears to have been removed. Please disregard it.

  • Larry

    Although Trump has officially suspended Godwin’s Law by acting like the real historical Nazis, Poe’s Law is still in effect. One cannot tell sarcasm or joking apart from extremist views without some signifier.

    You were not kidding there, as noted in your second paragraph. Statistically it is fundamentalist Christians who have been committing the most violent acts in the US in the name of their faith. Muslims pale in comparison in the big scheme of things in the US. Angry White Christians waving guns trying to “take back what is theirs” make up the majority of acts of violence in service of faith in this country.

    What makes it worse is the mainstream media support such people get. There is no Islamicist equivalent to Fox News in this country. A source given mainstream credibility which intentionally extols eliminationist rhetoric, sectarian attacks on civil liberties and outright racist screeds.