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  • Rev Donald Spitz

    Good for him. I am following suite.

  • David Scott

    Perhaps Trump and Graham can run together on the Hate Party ticket.

  • Jim

    You beat me to the punch!

  • Larry

    To quote the Von Trapp children,

    So Long
    Auf Wiedersein
    Good Bye

  • Dr. Graham has crossed over into the dark side. Republicans will not win anyway if they call those who believe in legal abortions as killers. That is very close to enabling potential fanatics from becoming terrorists. May God save us from ourselves. We certainly cannot.

  • The good news is that Franklin Graham is showing some independence by separating from the Republican Party. But what does he mean by being an independent? For most Americans, being an independent means being a bipolar voter. Very few independents I know actually consider candidates from 3rd parties. And this is a shame because there are both conservative and nonconservatlve 3rd parties.

  • Dan

    “Wasteful?” From a a man who takes his nearly $1M a year salary from 2 charitable organizations? Who is he to speak on “wasteful?” If this political influence-peddler is leaving the Republican Party and is critical of the tea party, then the only reason would be because none of the leading candidates have asked for him to join them in front of a camera.

  • alison

    Well, he’s right about planned parenthood. Planned parenthood and the nazi party both got their beginnings and their ideas from Darwin. There is much more than a small connection. I do think he ought to stay out of politics, even in the event he is correct, because I believe it is damaging to his ministries.

  • Robert Mayer

    I quit political parties 20 years ago, but for different reasons than Franklin Graham. As a Christian, I simply cannot align myself with temporal, ideological, political agendas. It is time for Christians–be they politically liberal, conservative, or libertarian (like me)–to do the same.

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  • Ben in oakland

    Sorry, but that is one of the Main Reasons our country is in the mess it is today. Too many people don’t think that they need to vote, need to be citizens.

  • Ben in oakland

    Graham had no problem with the Republican Party when it invaded two middle astern countries and destabilized the entire Middle East, causing the deaths of how many people and the displacement of hundreds of thousands more.

    But this? this is just too much for a man whose salary alone could feed tens of thousands of people. Didn’t Jesus say something about desert quadrupeds and needles and rich people?

    Obviously, the wrong Jesus.

  • Ben in oakland

    If only more so called Christians and so called conservatives thought that way.

  • Wally

    Finally, the Republican Party lucks out.

  • Ronnie

    Who are the bigots?

  • Ronnie

    That party label is already taken by the anti-life, anti-God, anti-family liberal fascists.

  • Kevin

    I agree with Ben in Oakland about this Robert… If we as Christians would vote and be more involved in politics we certainly wouldn’t be in the mess we are today. By the way, I too consider myself libertarian however I realize (as Ron Paul and Donald Trump do) that 3rd Parties cannot win. I’ll take Ted Cruz for the win… that would certainly shake things up. I pray he does.

  • Greg

    Euthanizing the most vulnerable human beings in society is killing them at the very least, right? Are we not allowed to speak the truth that you favor the right to kill human beings without their consent even if you personally oppose it? It’s no different than the German Christians who made excuses for Hitler while lone voice like Bonhoeffer’s were ignored.

  • Kevin

    With all due respect Ben, the organizations that Franklin Graham run do more to help people and spread the Gospel than you can even begin to imagine. And you have taken that verse all out of context. Ben, you ought to pray for wisdom and check your own heart… and let God be the judge of Franklin’s heart and salary. He gives to whom He chooses and that is none of our concern. Can you even imagine the temptation Franklin must deal with given his 800+k compensation. As one of the great leaders of the Church here on earth, we should pray for him. Not criticize him.

    Merry Christmas Ben!

  • Steve

    “Ban Muslims from the US.” Are you a serious journalist? Nobody has suggested that we ‘ban Muslims from the US.” Why not report what was really suggested which was a temporary halt to new Muslim immigration until an actual vetting process is established?

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  • El Tigre

    And by NOT voting, you actually vote for the person you would oppose.

  • El Tigre

    PP kill MILLIONS.

  • God Bless Mr. Graham

  • Franklin Graham..Oh yes he’s the one with his father praying with Romney. Of course that was after his father took Mormons off the cult list. There is not a drop of Christian blood in his body. A sick man. However the Republicans are looking better and better.Kust a few more televangelicals tyo leave and it could turn around.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Tell us more, Ronnie.

  • calvin

    There is no way in my opinion that Graham will ever be independent- he is much too far to the right to ever come back to center. AND , he is another evangelical who only concentrates on two sins apparently- abortion and homosexuality. He believes apparently that those are the two greatest sins and we don’t have to worry about those mundane sins of cheating, lying, covetousness, stealing, cursing, worshipping other Gods, you know all those other sins that no evangelicals or Christians ever commit. Really sad

  • calvin

    nazi party????? stay classy

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Your premise is faulty. An embryo or fetus is not a person except symbolically. Never in the history of millions of years of jurisprudence has a fetus ever been considered as such and it never will be except by the confused. The entire maneuver to criminalize abortion consists wholly of efforts to exercise power and control over women and nothing else.

  • calvin

    wow – ronnie please tell us more about your faith and political party and about how much your party works to help the poor, the sick, the veterans and the working man. Please provide us with some facts to back up their affection for those main street folks

  • George Nixon Shuler

    No, that’s not correct about PP and Naziism and Darwin. Darwin merely postulated on the development and decline of species. It took plutocracy, which Franklin Graham wholly supports, to devalue the individual who did not pop out of a privileged person’s birthing apparatus as the despicable Brother Graham did. get your news from somewhere besides Faux because they lie.

  • calvin

    ted cruz???? oh lordy help us

  • calvin

    one of the great leaders on earth???? Franklin Graham???? oh dear lord hush your mouth son

  • ben in oakland

    don’t forget about its usefulness to get religious conservatives elected and to raise money for 40 years, by people who oppose it but never seem to do anything about it.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    If Cruz wins, it’d be proof the majority of Americans are evil. That’s not likely. Trump despite his bluster has the makings of being an OK President, immigration issue aside. I suspect he’d reverse course on that if he got in. Cruz however is a danger to the safety of the majority of the citizens. It is not likely he will be elected to anything after this and will probably lose his senate seat next go-round to somebody who’s not such a hot mess.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    So, God favors plutocracy? If that were so, it would be proof positive that such a despicable god is utterly evil.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Tell us more, perhaps this time with proper verb tense.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    That’s a good example of Faux reality. The very suggestion is unpatriotic and an insult to what America stands for. Do you know how hard it is for a regular white Christian who wants to marry a Canadian and get her here? It takes something like a year or more. Now, imagine how much security is already in place for those from more ominous countries like Pakistan and Sudan. And yes, there has been suggestions Muslims be banned accompanied by actual violence against them.

  • Donna

    George, when you were an embryo were you a symbolic person?

  • Donna

    The problem is, Jesus’ command to love one another inevitably pulls us into politics, whether we like it or not. And I don’t like it. My church seems to be the democratic party at prayer. The evangelicals seem to be the republicans at prayer. We need to be just Christians, but we can’t avoid the public square, unless the Lord calls us to a life of prayer, like the monks or hermits. I believe some are so called.

  • Ronnie

    Who has crossed over to the dark side? Abortion is killing. Every abortion results in “one dead person” whether a little girl/boy. Good for Graham. I’ll be joining him.

  • truthseeker

    Paul Ryan = Fiscal Boogeyman — The Terror of the Unborn

  • captain dan

    Do not let the door hit your ass on the way out! No maybe a hit in the head will knock some smarts into you!

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  • Harry

    It’s interesting that this article talks about the Planned Parenthood video about the alleged sale of “baby parts”, but fails to mention that the video was found to be fraudulent.

  • TJ

    Democrat, Republican, two sides of the same coin.

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  • Mark

    Looks like the sheep are getting separated from the goats

  • CM Roberts

    @George- I beg to differ on your statement that “Never in the history of millions of years of jurisprudence has a fetus ever been considered as such and it never will be except by the confused.”
    Deliberately to induce abortion or miscarriage by artificial means, by the use of drugs, or by medical operation, the sole purpose of which is to avoid the birth of an unwanted child, is an act of high crime in the sight of God. Life as a precious gift from God is sacred. Hence God’s law to Moses protected the life of an unborn baby against more than criminal abortion, for if in a fracas between men a pregnant woman suffered an accident fatal to her or the child, “then you must give soul for soul.” (Ex 21:22-25) Dr. J. Glenn comments: “The viable embryo in the uterus IS a human individual, and therefore destroying it, is a violation of the sixth commandment.”—The Bible and Modern Medicine, 1963, p. 176.

  • edward

    So Franklin has finally figured out that the Republicans are not prolife. They had a six year window during the GWBush administration when they had the votes in Congress if they were really serious about banning abortions.
    Not only are the Republicans not prolife on abortion, their position on the death penalty and war has never been prolife.

  • ldmorse

    Mr. Schluer:

    In most jurisdictions, if a pregnant woman is murdered, murder charges are also filed for the death of the unborn baby.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Certainly. And so were you.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    That’s all conjecture no matter what Glen Beck says. The Exodus quote is not from a widely used translation and is an inaccurate reading – in actuality it proves the rhetoric “abortion is murder” was not the jurisprudence of the ancient Hebrews.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    “killing” can o ly happen to someone who has been born.

  • Angela

    George Just as the Nazi party abstracted the mentally ill and the Jews as not being human and as the South abstracted slaves as not being human either, you are trying to do the same thing by saying abortion does not involve a human being but a fetus or an embryo. Your argument is no more valid than that given by Hitler or Southern plantation owners.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Can you connect the dots here?

  • George Nixon Shuler

    That is true. It is a recent development, enacted to give prosecutors another tool. It does not however criminalize abortion which is justifiably legal and will remain so. Many opposed these state laws precisely because they would result in erroneous inferences like yours.

  • Jack

    Rev, instead of blaming the Republican party, evangelicals should take a good, long look in the mirror and ask the obvious equations:

    (1) Why do most evangelicals continue to sit on their backsides each and every Election Day?

    (2) Why did most evangelicals drop out of voting for most of the 20th century, creating a gargantuan vacuum which Big Government proceeded to fill?

    (3) Why can’t white and black evangelicals, who think exactly alike on matters of faith and morality, unite behind political beliefs and parties with positions that closely resemble their own?

    Maybe Franklin Graham should ask himself these questions before popping off again.

  • Jack

    If you think Trump “has the makings of being an Ok president,” you haven’t been paying any attention to his divers and sundry rants delivered to anyone who dares to call him on them.

    As for Cruz, I don’t see any significant difference between him and Trump on most issues. Cruz, though, at least manages to stop short of displaying the jaw-dropping lunacy that regularly comes from Trump’s lips.

  • Jack

    The answer, Donna, is to focus more on issues than parties, and when focusing on issues, to put ideas ahead of party.

  • Jack

    Ben, are you implying that after 9/11, we should have done nothing about the nation (Afghanistan) and the entities (the Taliban and al Qaeda) from whence 9/11 came?

    That wouldn’t have been very smart.

  • Jack

    So according to “edward,” one is not “prolife” unless they are pacifists who support the death penalty for innocent unborn children, while opposing it for guilty murderers.

  • Junebug

    George, I agree. The crux of this whole issue is the question as to when life begins and there will never be agreement on the answer.

    From a religious perspective, my view of abortion is based on Genesis 2:7. “Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.” It is my understanding – that Jews have historically accepted the view that life begins as the child takes its first breath on its own, albeit in recent times some have reasoned that life begins earlier in the womb.

    Abortions have been done throughout history. I am 80 y.o. and back in the 1950s and ’60s I knew too many women who were physically harmed by back alley and self abortion. We should have learned from the 1920s that prohibition never works.

    ROE mandated nothing but freedom of conscience for a nation where freedom of conscience holds sway. Without agreement on biblical interpretations, we have to rely on civil laws…

  • Junebug

    . Without agreement on biblical interpretations, we have to rely on civil laws to accommodate every individual.

    More than 40 religious denominations and organizations are members of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. More than half (53%) of US Catholics identify themselves as pro-choice, and more than six in ten (61%) believe abortion should be legal. More than 8 in 10 US Jews identify themselves as pro-choice. More than 2400 religious leaders have endorsed the Religious Declaration on Sexual Morality, Justice, and Healing, which calls in part for a faith-based commitment to sexual and reproductive rights, including access to voluntary contraception, abortion, and HIV/STD prevention and treatment. http://www.religiousinstitute.org

  • Mark

    The point is Junebug ,God might have had a purpose for that baby that abortion kills. And by supporting it you are actually taking his plans .Into your own hands, thus playing God

  • Scott

    Went to church last weekend. Apparently Jesus was not a middle age, middle class, conservative republican white guy like myself according to the preacher. I think I too have lost a certain amount of faith in politics, hear now. I’m waiting to see what people like Mr Graham and the preacher have to offer faith in for here and now. If not liking people we disagree with until they change isn’t going to work how does this country get better?

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  • George Nixon Shuler

    You have presented an invalid straw man argument. Your argument consists of comparing something to something it is not, and whining about it. A very poor job overall of which you should be ashamed.

  • Junebug

    Mark, point taken. So as for the woman impregnated against her will, otherwise known as rape, God “might” have had a purpose. In the unwanted, unloved child born into poverty and a life of misery, God “might” have had a purpose. Neither you nor I know the mind of God and therein lies freedom of conscience.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Exactly. People are free to believe abortion is wrong – for them. For anyone else, it’s none of their business. the efforts to criminalize abortion are only designed to oppress women and exercise power and control over them.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    Sure I have. But a President is not only elected in order to give speeches. In some ways, Trump’s giving the rubes hope distracts them from doing any real harm. Trump is a jackass, but Cruz is an evil *&^%%$#@,

  • Sabelotodo2

    It’s great that Graham has finally seen the light, no matter what the issues were that led up to it! ALL religionists–right and left–should get out of politics. In this country we have the freedom to believe what we choose and be members of whichever religious community suits us. Getting in bed with a particular political party and tying God’s name to partisan political agendas, diminishes the Omnipotent Grace and Wisdom of One who is beyond human partisanship. It’s even embedded in the language: what’s partisan is partial–not Whole. Each of the 2 main American political parties contains elements of truth amidst distortion and error, but at that it’s necessarily a half-truth: judgment must be tempered with mercy, and “social justice” (Marxism’s updated brand) needs to be balanced with indivual responsibility, enterprise and risk-taking. It’s what I call the Divine Paradox.

  • good for you Ronnie——I AM WITH FRANKLIN ALSO——I WANT TO SEE TRUMP GET ON BOARD george nixon shuler WHAT ROCK DO YOU NEED TO GO UNDER——I have to add Planned Parenthood is a good organization except for the aboration part—–Planned Parenthood give out birthcontrol pills and takes care of women’s health care issues

  • Ben in oakland

    God might also has a purpose for those gay people whose souls are liked by religious bigotry. or for those Jews, Muslims, residents of middle eastern countries we invade, or anyone else. But it never seems to bother people who claim to be both Christian and to speak for God.

    Funny, innit?

  • Ben in oakland

    Not implying at at all, Jack.

    But any half-asleep history student could have told St. bush that invading Afghanistan was a really, really bad idea. Ask Alexander the Great, the British, and the Russians. And of course, our invasion of Iraq was based on lies.

    Personally, what I would have done is offer a $10 billion reward for information leading to the eventual destruction of bin laden and his top lieutenants. That would have been a good start, and much cheaper.


  • Ronnie

    Calvin & George can believe any lie they want but in my view conservatives are 100% more generous to the poor and disenfranchised, have and support more family members in the military than any liberal does (that’s why the military overwhelmingly rejects liberalism) and believes in the dignity of the working man and reject policies which enslave the poor to a life of dependency.
    Graham is be applauded though, for taking a stand against a racist organization, PP, which supports ‘more from the fit, less from the unfit’ and the Republican party which sold it’s soul to the Devil for 30 pieces of silver.

  • Ronnie

    I beg to disagree. Destroying a human life is killing whether inside the womb or out. An unrepeatable human life which can never exist is killing.

  • i cannot believe some of the comments on this issue—-especially this ignorant guy shuler????? I HOPE TRUMP JUMPS ON BOARD WITH FRANKLIN NO MATTER WHAT PAPER TRUMP SIGNED I JUST BECAME AN INDEPENDENT!!!!!!!!!!!! GO FRANKLIN AND TRUMP

  • edward

    Jack, God alone has the right to choose who will live and who will die. I do not support abortion. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who pretend to be opposed to abortion to divert attention from their real political agenda. That thee would try to twist my comment to something I was not saying shows thee has deep doubts about thy own anti-life positions. I pray for thee, and also for Franklin, that you will meet Jesus on that proverbial one-way street.
    Best wishes, edward

  • Ronnie

    I vote for the person’s positions but so far only twice have not voted Republican precisely because the Democrat party is the ‘party of death’, embracing unlimited child killing, abortion, and the redefinition of natural marriage supporting confused same-sex unions now. My husband was a Democrat but left when they embraced policies that hurt the poor, dependency and the military which he is one of. So therefore, your premise that the Republicans don’t care about the military, poor or working man is nonsense.
    We are in the forefront of helping ‘street folks’ working to help the homeless and poor. And by the way, conservatives are 100% more generous than liberals all around. Hope that clears it up. Merry Christmas!

  • Garson Abuita

    CM, the passage you cite stands for exactly the opposite of what you suggest. The law states that if the pregnant woman miscarries, but there is no fatality to the woman, the guilty party is to pay restitution to her husband as determined by the court. Only if there is a fatality to the woman does the “life for life” punishment come into play. The whole thing is the basis for Judaism’s foundational point on the subject: Abortion is NOT murder.

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  • Mark

    Junebug, that is what it started out to achieve. Stamping out back alley abortions, and I don’t discount the potential trauma that these girls would face carrying the product of a rape etc, and I do not condemn them for wanting to get rid of it. But the fact is trauma is trauma and killing is killing, we still have to answer to God one day for whatever reason he allowed this to happen. stats say that the women involved get an even worse sentence for the rest of their lives remembering the abortion, on top of the rape, not to mention causing others involved to commit a grave sin in Gods eyes , On top of this terrible situation. Planned parenthood have turned it all into a huge “abortions R us “industry Even selling the “Tissue” for research funded by taxpayers like you and I Unfortunately promiscuity is raging out of control, and feeding this industry like a factory, and thus the cycle keeps on going. I think we have to break this link, and this is what Franklin Graham is trying…

  • Norman

    U calling trying to prevent baby killing hate.

  • monica subirats

    This issue has almost destroyed democracy in the US> A judge voted against the investigor of Planned Parenthood. Hillary Clinton supported Planned Parenthood . If the Congress defunded Planned Parenthood for wrong doing, while a judge defended it;s wrongdoing, the DEM front runner would be under investigation with no candidate for the 2016 presidential race. Add to that the possible impeachment of Obama and we are left with a one party system,

  • George Nixon Shuler

    There will not be a valid investigation of HRC. HRC remains the one to beat, and Cruz and Rubio can’t cut the mustard. If PP funding is dropped by Congress, then reinstated by a federal judge, it will stand. The right-wing will whine, but they’re dying out.

  • Jack

    Trump is singularly unfit to be president, period.

    Ideally, I’d like to resurrect some past president like Washington or Lincoln, JFK or Reagan, but having no such powers, I am forced to choose among the candidates both parties are offering. On the Democratic side, I wish Evan Bayh were still in politics but he’s not. I wish Joe Lieberman were still a Democrat and decided to run, but he’s not and he didn’t. On the GOP side, almost anybody, Cruz included, is preferrable to Trump, with the exception of Rand Paul, who is equally bad due to his atrocious views on foreign policy.

  • Jack

    Ben, I think the answer is somewhere in between Bush’s regrettable nation-building and your treating 9/11 as a mere criminal matter requiring only the apprehension of the suspects.

    The 9/11 Report, despite its many shortcomings, got it right by saying that we were at war whether we liked it or not. The problem was, again, that Bush used that fact as an occasion for nation-building. That was a mistake in Afghanistan and an even bigger one regarding Iraq.

  • Jack

    If “God alone has the right to choose who will live and who will die,” and if we applied that idea during World War II, we’d all be speaking German now.

  • Jack

    Abortion being legal virtually any time, any place, and for any reason, all the way to birth in many instances, is “justifiable” only if you believe that a fetus is magically held back from being a life until the moment of birth. That is irrational, medieval thinking.

  • Jack

    If Hillary were half the politician her husband was, she’d be the logical favorite to be the next president. But politically speaking, she’s as dumb as a rock, and has the emotional intelligence of a hyena. So that makes 2016 anything but a cakewalk for her.

  • Tammy

    George Nixon Shuler, how do you explain murder convictions perpetrated against the unborn? When a pregnant woman is murdered the murderer often faces murder charges for the murder of the unborn child.

  • edward

    We don’t know that.

  • triple H

    I am pretty sure that in Gods word he states that we should adhere to mans laws, but only if it does not interfere with his. You can rely on man or governments to set your moral standards if you want, you can choose to believe that the abortion issue is an attack on women, and all the other political direction’s you choose, but in the end Gods word is not muddy water, it is clear and we all will have to answer for the path we choose. Choose carefully your eternal life depends on it.

  • Ben in oakland

    I never said we weren’t at war. But there are different ways to fight a war, and bush’s stupidity and cheney’s greed and war hawk stance have done absolutely nothing for this country.

  • Ben in oakland

    Jack, that comments not worthy of you.

  • samuel johnston

    Good riddance, and bar the door to keep him out in the future.

  • Jack

    I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories about Cheney and Halliburton, but I strongly agree that the Bush people fought the Iraq war terribly. They got rid of Saddam, but then proceeded to spend the next four years twiddling their thumbs while the Sunni Triangle festered. They turned our troops into cops on the beat, rather than soldiers seeking to defeat an enemy.

    They should have moved immediately to secure the Triangle. Their failure to do so for four years was unforgivable.

  • Jack

    To deploy Descartes, it may not be a metaphysical certainty, but it is a practical certainty that Nazi Germany would not have fallen without our making it fall.

  • Jack

    Maybe not, Ben, but I feel the same way about Donald Trump. I think they’re both unfit for the job, each for different reasons.

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  • edward

    Jack, the Soviet Union fell; maybe not when we wanted, but in God’s time. We (humans) have a knack for doing things, not in God’s way, but in the Devil’s way, and thus delaying the coming of God’s kingdom.
    That is not to say there is never an occasion for human actions, but to be effective, they must be rightly ordered.
    I hope Franklin understands that all the time he and his father have been playing the political card has been wasted. Big government is not the answer to abortion.

  • Jack

    Well, Edward, if you agree with me in principle that acknowledging God’s sovereignty over all doesn’t absolve human beings of the responsibility to take concrete action against the world’s wrongs, including tyranny and its brutal effects on people and nations, our remaining difference is one of degree and not kind.

    Regarding the fall of the Soviet Union, it was a miracle of God that it collapsed without violent overthrow. But that doesn’t mean no human effort was involved. America’s rearmament was a factor, as was a host of human actions short of a shooting war. The key was our recognition that at root, we were engaged in a battle of ideas, between freedom and tyranny.

  • edward

    A number of factors contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union. The arms race with the US was a factor only in that resources that could have mitigated conditions domestically were diverted. Much greater were the effects of their losses in Afghanistan and the conflict in Chechnya. Unless there is a history out there that has never been reported on, it is a mistake to say that US actions contributed in a major way toward the fall of the Soviets.
    Acknowledging God’s sovereignty means not using evil means such as war. War brings more suffering and more tyranny. War is not the answer.

  • Larry

    They are assaults on the pregnant woman. Someone who consented to bring a child to term. Just like rape is not the equivalent of consensual relations. Her body, her choice. Calling it murder of a fetus is not factually correct but it satisfies fetus worshipers in legislatures. Your argument is actually circular in nature.

    Christians like yourself always seem to have a problem with the notion of consent and personal decisions. You feel that you are so moral and right that you have a duty to make decisions for others. The anti-abortion position is pure narcissism. The idea that all pregnant women must defer to your authority on their personal decisions. Unless you can take possession of a fetus from someone else, the pregnant woman’s choice is the only one that matters here.

  • edward

    Good point, Scott. Our country is not going to get better until we learn that we have to love people we disagree with. Our disapproval of those we disagree with only strengthens them in their resolve to disagree with us. Too many preachers and politicians are determined to rule or ruin.

  • A L

    suite? If you remember Billy Graham, you instantly see that Franklin’s influence will be around ONLY as long as Daddy is still alive. After that….what the “Graham” name will mean is nothing more than another pale source of radical republican gibberish. So sad for Billy—

  • Larry

    Franklin Graham even managed to act like a complete dillhole when running his charity. Samaritan’s Purse is notorious for blatant proselytizing undermining it efforts, forcing local charities in other countries to pay into their system and financial impropriety.

    “we should pray for him. Not criticize him.”

    Which is why Christians like yourself are so easily duped. Why even the poorest among them contribute to make hucksters wealthy when they invoke religious appeals. No desire to exercise critical thinking or free will.

  • Larry

    The choices a woman makes with her body are her responsibility, not yours. You may not like her choices, but they are not yours. Nobody has to abide by your criticism or feelings on the matter. You don’t like abortions, don’t have one. You want to keep others from having one, tough luck. Its not your decision to make.

  • Larry

    No, that is strawman thinking. Pretty much all you have other than hysterics.

    Until it is viable outside the womb, nobody has to give a damn whether it is considered a life or not. It is in the woman’s body and dependent on her will to stay alive, and there is nothing you can do to alter that condition.

    Ldmorse’s argument is based on ignoring the concept of consent. Pretty much like the entire anti-abortion argument. One pretends consent to give birth is unimportant or non-existent, the choices of the mother can be ignored or attacked.

    But we do not automatically consider pregnant women slaves to self-righteous fetus worshipers. Therefore, consent matters and brings to the fore how the anti-abortion crowd merely wants to attack women and their autonomy.