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New Jersey priest fired as Seton Hall chaplain comes out as gay

The Rev. Warren Hall gives Mass as more than 50 Seton Hall couples renew their vows at a special Mass service at the Chapel on the Seton Hall campus in South Orange, NJ, on Friday, February 14, 2014. Photo by Frances Micklow/courtesy of The Star-Ledger
 Father Warren Hall gives Mass as more than 50 Seton Hall couples renew their vows at a special Mass service at the Chapel on the Seton Hall campus in South Orange, NJ, on Friday, February 14, 2014. Photo by Frances Micklow/courtesy of The Star-Ledger


The Rev. Warren Hall says Mass as more than 50 Seton Hall couples renew their vows at a special Mass service at the Chapel on the Seton Hall campus in South Orange, N.J., on Feb. 14, 2014. Photo by Frances Micklow/courtesy of The Star-Ledger

(RNS) A Catholic priest in New Jersey who says he was dismissed from his campus ministry job over a Facebook post against anti-gay bullying and racism has come out as gay.

The Rev. Warren Hall told Outsports, a magazine for gay athletes, that while he remained committed to his vocation as a priest and to his vow of celibacy, he was not going to hide his sexual orientation.

“I have to be myself,” Hall said. “I can’t worry what other people think.”

Hall, who worked at Seton Hall University, announced on social media earlier this month that he had been fired from his job by Archbishop John Myers of Newark because he had posted a picture on Facebook last fall supporting the “NOH8” campaign.

“NOH8” stands for “no hate” and it grew out of the battle over banning gay marriage in California.

A spokesman for the Newark archdiocese, which is responsible for assigning chaplains to Seton Hall, has disputed the priest’s explanation of his removal.

But in an email Wednesday afternoon (May 27), James Goodness also said that while the archdiocese, like Pope Francis, does not want to sit in judgment, “someone who labels himself or another in terms of sexual orientation or attraction contradicts what the Church teaches — that every person is to be accepted with respect, compassion and dignity.” *

“Sexual orientation or attraction isn’t in itself a hindrance to a man’s ability to be a priest,” Goodness continued. “What is important is a priest’s commitment to living his ordination promises and embracing honestly what priesthood requires: to live a life of chaste celibacy, to support and promulgate the teachings and traditions of the church, and to respect and obey the authority of the church.”

Hall said that he posted an image of himself with the “NOH8” logo on his cheek amid the growing national debate over race and violence.

In an email to Seton Hall colleagues announcing his dismissal, the priest said he intended the post as a message against racism and bullying, not in support of same-sex marriage.

Hall said another priest saw the image, which was posted to Hall’s personal Facebook page, and alerted university and archdiocesan officials around Christmas last year. Hall said he was called in to explain the post, first by the university and then by the archdiocese.

He agreed to delete the post and his explanation of its intent seemed to put the matter to rest, he said.

Then, on May 11, as he was giving an exam to his sports and spirituality class, Hall was told to call Myers.

“None of us want bullying,” he said Myers told him, “but you have a further agenda here, and I can’t have you at Seton Hall because of that.”

Goodness on Wednesday reiterated his comments from a statement issued earlier in the month that Hall was not dismissed because of his advocacy of tolerance for gays and lesbians.

“The church doesn’t fire priests for tolerance; it condemns those who are intolerant,” Goodness said.

He added that “many factors … go into evaluating whether a particular assignment is a good fit for a priest” and said that the “NOH8” episode did prompt the archdiocese to reassess the level of “accountability” that the university chaplain has to the archdiocese. So he said Myers decided he needed someone else in that role.

Hall declined to elaborate on his Outsports interview, which was published Tuesday (May 26).

The priest said he was unsure where Myers would assign him but that he had requested a six-month sabbatical. He expressed his gratitude to Myers for assigning him to Seton Hall several years ago after he had lost his job as head of a private Catholic high school following an arrest for drunken driving.

Hall said that in the past year a few people had learned of his sexual orientation but now he wanted to be completely open.

“The best way to live is to live honestly. Honesty with oneself is the most important thing, but you have to be honest with other people,” he said. “I’m not afraid of those questions anymore.”

* This post has been updated to reflect the latest response from the Newark archdiocese.

YS/MG END GIBSON

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  • Raw bigotry passing itself off as faith, again.

    No wonder most young folk want little to do with Christianity. No sanely educated person is willing to believe that 10% of humanity is “inherently disordered” simply because of how we were born to love.

    Hate has consequences.

  • Raw bigotry passing itself off as education.

    Most young folk want little to do with gay sex because they understand that gay sex is “inherently disordered” and should not be practiced nor condoned.

    Gay sex has serious adverse consequences.

  • NOH8?

    Then why does the ex-Seton Hall employee hate honest Christians?

    If he wilfully yokes himself to unbelievers – which more than likely make up the kind of people in “Out” sports culture – he should be shown the door. Seton Hall didn’t do anything wrong.

    The only thing this terminated employee is supporting by cruising gay magazines is promoting gay behavior. Which is sin in Christian life.

    By the way, Florist Barronelle Study man is a persecuted Christian. Selling wedding products is not the same thing as celebrating a wedding. A gay wedding in biblical perspective is as antithetical to Christian life as voodoo practice is.

  • A stupid, irreligious man who voluntarily took the Sacrament of Holy Orders to serve God fully. His homosexual tendencies should be no more publicized than another’s heterosexual tendencies. His announcement reeks of a personal agenda that is contradictory to a priest’s holy duties. He should be thankful that the Church does accept those with same sex attractions…… as long as they are not practicing gays or entrenched in the gay lifestyle. Here he is making a stupid statement most likely without Church approval. Now he can go to the Anglican Church and be the gayest priest in town. What a moron.

  • He doesn’t hate honest Christians, anti-gays hate honest Christians.

    Sure, there are some really rotten people that say they are Christians and that tell shameful lies about LGBT Americans, but what about all the welcoming and affirming Christians–The REAL Christians? These denominations will marry same gender couples in 37 US States and the District of Columbia, but are being denied their right to practice their religion freely in 13 US States:

    Affirming Pentecostal Church International
    Alliance of Christian Churches
    Anointed Affirming Independent Ministries
    The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
    Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
    Community of Christ
    Conservative Judaism
    Ecumenical Catholic Church
    Ecumenical Catholic Communion
    The Episcopal Church
    Evangelical Anglican Church In America
    Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
    Global Alliance of Affirming Apostolic Pentecostals
    Inclusive Orthodox Church
    Moravian Church Northern Province

    (more)

  • (cont.)

    Metropolitan Community Church
    Old Catholic Church
    Presbyterian Church USA
    Progressive Christian Alliance
    Reconciling Pentecostals International
    Reconstructionist Judaism
    Reform Judaism
    Reformed Anglican Catholic Church
    Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
    Unitarian Universalist Church
    United Church of Christ
    Unity Church

    These and many other denominations reject the hate speech inserted in the Bible to hurt LGBT people. Modern Biblical scholars have proven the Bible was intentionally mistranslated relatively recently in order to provide “Biblical cover” for then-rising levels of homophobia. For example, the word “homosexual” didn’t even exist until 1870.

  • Monitors, the above posting clearly violates your terms of service as a personal attack. Is this really what you want on your website?

  • No surprise. Seton Hall has a seminary hall, and this priest needs to be far from it. The major damage that has been done to the priesthood, as well as the Catholic Church at large, is rooted in the pedophilia scandals, which springs from gay men in the priesthood. 81 percent of the pedophile incidents were man (priest) on boy (teens), and is called ephebophilia. The last place we need gay men is in the priesthood; it has been a royal failure, and the Church has been damaged enough by it. It is time to end it, plain and simple. People on this site want to point fingers at the Church because of the scandals, but practicing gay priests/bishops have been largely responsible for both the incidents themselves, as well as the cover ups. So lay the blame where it belongs.

  • “Florist Barronelle Study man is a persecuted Christian.”

    No, Baronelle Stultzman is a convicted criminal. The “Alliance Defending Freedom Of Faith” promised her free legal representation and to pay all fines and court costs incurred BEFORE she committed that crime. The website of this “Alliance” admits just that–and that they are raising funds on that basis.

  • This poster is also posting a personal attack. He’s also posting anti-gay Hate Speech.

    “According to the American Psychological Association, “homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are.” Gregory Herek, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who is one of the nation’s leading researchers on prejudice against sexual minorities, reviewed a series of studies and found no evidence that gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men.

    Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive.

    (more)

  • Continued:

    “The fixated child molester — the stereotypical pedophile — cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because “he often finds adults of either sex repulsive” and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may “regress” to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations. Groth found, as Herek notes, that the majority of regressed offenders were heterosexual in their adult relationships.

    The Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute notes that 90% of child molesters target children in their network of family and friends, and the majority are men married to women. Most child molesters, therefore, are not gay people lingering outside schools waiting to snatch children from the playground, as much religious-right rhetoric suggests.

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

  • I see why the anti-gay poster posted that lie about the convicted criminal anti-gay here. This website will not allow comments on a new article debunking all those typical anti-gay lies about these criminals. Take that as a word of advice, anti-gays, you are wearing out your welcome at this website, just as so many other websites have made it clear they will not pay to maintain a website only to see anti-gays hijack it for their immoral and unAmerican purpose.

  • “Earlier this month, Gallup reported that 60 percent of all adults agreed that “marriages between same-sex couples should … be recognized by the law as valid.” That was the most support the Gallup Poll has ever recorded for same-sex marriages, and more than double the 27 percent who endorsed such marriages when Gallup first asked the question in 1996.

    As striking as the depth of this opinion shift is its breadth. While support for same-sex marriage still varies across key demographic lines—young Americans, for instance, are more supportive than older Americans—all groups have moved toward greater acceptance since Gallup’s March 1996 survey. In 1996, same-sex marriage did not draw majority support from any major group that Gallup measured. Now it registers majority support from virtually every significant component of the American electorate.”

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/next-america/newsdesk/gay-marriage-polling-shows-american-support-across-demographic-groups-20150527

  • Carrot, tell that to the teenage boys who were molested by gay priests. And forget about the APA, they are in the back pocket of every gay organization there is. At one time they were believable; now they are a pathetic political organization. I find it interesting that in 1973 the APA removed gay inclinations from the list of disorders by a panel vote, and not due to any scientific study. Your source is biased, so your reference is a waste.

  • HERE IS WHAT THE CHURCH IS DEMANDING OF HUMANITY:

    Everyone must be heterosexual. BECAUSE GOD!
    If you happen to be born homosexual, see above and be damned until you fix yourself.
    Everyone must praise Jesus.
    Everyone must get married if they want any sex at all.
    Everyone who gets married must have sex only to make children – not for fun.
    Everyone must use only the missionary position.
    Everyone who gets married must have AS MANY CHILDREN AS THEY CAN.
    Nobody may use contraceptives
    Nobody must ever Masturbate.
    Since you are doomed to screw this up, you must repent, atone and pay tithes constantly!

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS?
    IT IS:
    Totalitarian, inhumane, unsustainable, superstitious, unrealistic, crackpot, immoral nonsense.

    May it all die off completely.

  • CarrotCakeMan said;
    “…….anti-gays, you are wearing out your welcome at this website, just as so many other websites have made it clear they will not pay to maintain a website only to see anti-gays hijack it…..”

    Dear Carrot,
    You make a good point. Some of my personal comments that disparage gay sex have been deleted. Many of us straight people have a hard time fitting in homosexual activists. It seems like RNS wants to make room for us on this forum to promote dialogue. Unfortunately, our gay friends are so focused on sex that it makes it difficult for normal folks to carry on a rational dialogue. Maybe its time to get rid of “anti-gays” and make RNS all gay all the time.

  • You’re telling that whole big lie about the APA again. Don’t you ever get tired of repeating it?

    There was a Panel vote, which decided to take homosexuality off the list of mental disorders, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE FOR IT.

    The antigay faction, headed by Soccarides and bergler, forced a referendum on the APA membership. They failed. Why? BECUASE THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS A MENTAL DISORDER.

    Keep repeating that lie, though. God loves it when you lie in order to slander and revile others.

  • So the R.C. Church has no problem firing priests who come out as gay, but refuse to fire priests who’re child predators. Well done, guys. Well done! Your Jesus must be SO proud!

  • Carrot Dude,

    Those liberal religious organizations look and act no differently than “the world” and its ways. Their fruit falls from a secular tree. There is no such thing as same gender marriage anywhere in the life espoused by the writers of the New Testament.

    Jesus never said a word about homosexuals or homosexuality. This is a despicable pipe dream by those that want to literally erase The Church from the earth and invent some weird debased licentiousness and call it Christianity. You couldn’t produce any scriptures that plainly and unambiguously declares anything positive about the gay agenda, gay culture or gay life. Whether male or female or whatever else is invented by the ever growing letters on the LGBT train, there isn’t any honesty in gay Christianity. It is simply another Gospel. And that is also condemned. Why can’t homosexuals and their legion of supporters just be satisfied with inventing a new religion and be done with it? They have no foundation in…

  • How, or why, would truth violate the rules here? Or is it a fact that this site is run by gay activists?

  • Why do you imply that North Korea is an “atheist country?” It is led by a man who has set himself up as a god, complete with legends and worship. That is not atheism: it is a religious cult. As such, the religious practices of that government have more in common with Christianity than atheism.

    North Korea is led by a man who declares himself god over others, dictates how others are to think and behave, and condemns those whom he deems unaligned with his will. All of this, in his mind, is justified because “the heavens willed it.”

  • Greg1, you are the one bandying around contract theories about a medical professional organization. Your only proof is that they do not agree with your defamatory arguments.

    CCM cited his sources. You are just spouting off.

  • This is a civil matter, she hasn’t been convicted of any crime. Unless there’s some other crime she has been convicted of in the past, and you’re talking about that.

  • @Barry the Baptist,

    Exactly.
    North Korea is the most religious country on earth.

    What BB and others fail to realize:
    Messianism is religion.

    Messianism (Dear Leader, Pol Pot, Stalin, JESUS..etc) is the idea that a certain man has been born who carries with him a perfect message of purity which will correct all the wrongs in society. This perfect Savior must be worshipped and glorified. There is always a supernatural component or miracle to connect the messenger to a magical realm.

    This is the most destructive force in humanity. Messianism is about surrendering to authority; handing over one’s individuality and individual rights to a self-proclaimed power who decides everything for them.

    Religion encourages this destructive force against human freedom.

  • Given the number of priests incardinated there and the number of regular clergy assigned there, I’d say that’s 1 down and about 136 to go (if the quantum of rot in the clergy is about normal regarding this particular sort of decadence).

    Just amazes you what mediocrities and buffoons populate the clergy in our time. It did not used to be that way, and does not have to be that way.

  • Isn’t the claim of the Church that 100% of humanity is inherently disordered due to the fall? The Church isn’t singling out the 10% but it isn’t reversing the Scriptural and traditional views of the church for that group, either.

  • So the R.C. Church has no problem firing priests who come out as gay, but refuse to fire priests who’re child predators.

    You are both ignorant of practices followed in recent decades and deeply malicious.

  • Where have you been? Try the British Journal “Nature” as one example. Try statistics on STDs, Aids deaths, etc., etc. Anyone who demands proof of what is common knowledge (I’m a health care professional) is living in a dream world, Carrot.

  • That’s an old argument against affirming denominations and one that’s fit for the dustbin. Many of the these Churches, (ie not “religious organizations”) in fact hold Apostolic Succession. The fact is, the Christian Right is at a complete loss as to how to explain the truthful, living out of the Gospel in the world of their brothers and sisters. It boggles the mind that not all Christians are blinded by the world. Because in fact, it is the Christian Right that is blinded by the world’s power — the wealthy, the oppressors, those who deny justice and cheat. Jesus’ kingdom is one of liberation and welcomes the poor — it does not reinforce the conservative political power of the society around it.

  • Firstly, adults having sex with minors is a huge part of heterosexual history as well. How many millions of women were married as children to older men? How many young women and girls were the sexual object of men in historical patriarchal societies. Secondly, there have been gay priests in the ‘hood as long as there have been priests.

  • Actually @Art Deco he’s absolutely right on. The church is keen in this example to fire a gay man, but as I recall many dioceses across the country are facing financial struggles as a result of making huge payments to victims and families of victims who were abused by priests. These priests were protected by the church hierarchy. Its an unfortunately painful but very apt point.

  • This is not only ugly but so patently false that I can’t believe this kind of mythology is still out there.

  • Scandal ! This Homosexual smuggled himself into the Catholic Priesthood as a straight man who sacrificed the Vocation of Marriage to a woman to become a priest. He is a liar. He lied and was in mortal sin at the moment of ordination. He sacrificed nothing ! Is this poor inordinate soul in love with Christ because of he loves men of the same sex? Does this evil priest have fantasies of marrying Jesus Christ the man. Perhaps that’s the fantasy of all Homosexual Priests and Bishops in the Catholic Church that they love Christ in a Homosexual way. This is worse than the Heretics of Arianism or Calvinism. It’s seems not only taking over the world but is taking over the Church and the Vatican. Pray for this illicit Priest who lied became a Priest to SCANDALIZE Christ’s flock that this poor immortal soul will have a true conversion to the Catholic Church.

  • Sixtus – WOW! Take a breath or two and calm down a bit, or else you’ll choke on all of the venomous foam spewing out of your mouth! On second thought,

  • It depends on what your definition of “love” means. Unchastity is unchastity, adultery is adultery – for all people .I’m Catholic and proud. I do not “hate” gay people…

  • You know, honey, you cannot be a priest unless god has called you to the priesthood. The church has tests to determine if you have a vocation.

    so, either god has called him to the priesthood, or the church wouldn’t know a vocation if it called on the telephone.

  • Greg, you are changing the subject again. You made a statement, and I refuted it. so you changed the subject to show YOU the studies. Try evelyn Hooker, for one.

    But of course, it doesn’t really matter to you. truth never will. The fact of the matter is that virtually EVERY SINGLE PROFESSIONAL, SCIENTIFIC, AND MEDICAL ASSOCIATION in the civilized world, that has anything whatsoever to do with this subject, agrees with the APA.

    And disagrees with you and your fellow travelers.

  • I have three thoughts on this subject:
    1. Its not a nice thing to be fired because of your sexual orientation. Its a malicious discriminatory act by its nature. There is no pretending that this is a moral or reasonable act.

    2. The college is well within its rights to fire him as a literal “ministerial exception” to anti-discrimination laws. Their church, their rules. I see no point in arguing that churches should stop perpetuating bigoted doctrines. The whole “trying to change it from within” never works. If your sect is actively discrimin

    3. If the Catholic Church and Seton Hall want to continue with a reputation for malicious discriminatory behavior, so be it. It is their reputation. Just don’t expect to be treated with sympathy or respect for such views.

  • Thank you for your wonderful complement which just confirms what I have said to be truth. I am far away from choking and our good Lord knows this but it just shows your pour soul is grasping and holding to death the breast of Satan your father. For you are from his seed who the Woman will step on the head of your father Satan. That is Our Holy Mother who destroys Heresy and the spirit of Homosexuality. Especially in the Priesthood of the Catholic Church. It may be venom to you who is with Satan but it’s the honey pouring down from Heaven for the Just. Renounce your Sodomy come into the Church with a pure heart and repent the diabolical poison in your heart and the vomit from your mouth. For the gates of Heaven is narrow and the gates of Hell is wide. See you at the last Judgment.

  • You are a liar ! You are telling the world that Almighty God had called a Homosexual Priest into the Priesthood to rape and abuse boys. Homosexuals are not to be Priests. The world has seen the poison fruit that has bared for the Church. The destruction of the faith and innocent boys who did not even know what Homosexuality was until it was forced upon them by these wolves of perversion wearing white collars as apostles of Christ. Their punishment is going to be a million fold because they lied to enter the Priesthood and it is due their poison that scared the Catholic Church to the commencement of time.

  • Re: “Great point.”

    Except, I never really made the point you thought I made. My actual point was that the R.C. Church’s hypocrisy here is brazen and obvious. They’re not even trying to hide it. Of course, the founder of their religion explicitly, clearly, and unambiguously forbid them ever to be hypocritical. It’s as though they have no idea what Jesus ever reportedly said.

  • Anti-gay is good. It will save your soul from the fires of Hell. It will save your children and the culture.

  • Re: “You are both ignorant of practices followed in recent decades and deeply malicious.”

    It’s not “ignorant” to point out that the R.C. Church’s track record here is abysmal. It’s been demonstrated they shuffled clergy around in order to avoid having to get rid of them or letting them go to prison (http://skepdic.com/priestshuffling.html). As for the bishops having supposedly “changed their ways,” in truth, they did not; the Cloyne Report shows they were still protecting abusive priests as recently as 2009 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/14/world/europe/14church.html?pagewanted=all).

    The Church, in fact, has dodged and swerved all over the place in order to avoid admitting fault. They’ve offered a litany of asinine, juvenile excuses over the years (http://www.agnostic-library.com/ma/roman-catholicisms-excuse-making-a-review/). The bishops have shown themselves to have all the ethics of Mafiosi … minus the hitmen, which isn’t really saying a lot.

  • Really? I’m a liar?

    Catholics here, DEFEND YOUR CHURCH. Is the priesthood a sacrament? Is a vocation really a calling from God?

  • How about a real and specific citation, JD. To an actual paper or article, not just a journal name.

    Lest we think you haven’t actually read one, don’t have a reference, and are making stuff up…

  • Not over the years, psi, but over the CENTURIES. Read up on st. peter Damien, or a great book called “Fallen Order” by Karen Liebreich.

  • We can all do without what passes for “Christian Love” from some people.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/excommunications/2015/04/why-i-can-do-without-christian-love/
    ““Christian love” should be taken in the exact same context as “Christian movies.” The modifier makes all the difference here. It weakens and distorts the noun it follows, turning it into a pale imitation of the real thing”

    “Often such Christians are 100% convinced that what they’re saying and doing to these dissenters is loving. They’ll use a totally misunderstood conceptualization of “tough love,” thinking that it means they get a free pass to be cruel and emotionally manipulative toward dissenters (pro-tip: that is not what tough love actually means). ”

  • There are two Christian Churches: the one with doctrines and creeds, telling one HOW to think ; the other about the teachings of Jesus–encouraging people to think for themselves, based on the message of love for each other and the universe. The first tells you who God is ; the second asks, ” who do you think s/he is?”

  • Been there, and somewhat still going through it myself, Oddly though I am a male, I was in my mother’s womb for 9 month’s physically, hence the physically female passive self. I was born a male while being form physically in my mother’s physical womb. Now add in being home with my mother more than my father, ergo, I am acting out my mother while actually being a heterosexual male. I exceeded my mother’s and father’s education level, hence my mother being the physically dominant force in my life. I am making up for mother’s defect in active power—- As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the
    male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power.
    Saint Thomas Aquinas—- Christ Jesus being the Son of The Living God, IS the ULTIMATE PHYSICAL MALE in VIRTUES.

  • God gave the 10 Commandment’s ( which includes the virtues and capital sin’s ), Christ Jesus gave us 2. Why did they do that for us, in JUSTICE, love, compassion, mercy? Cause “WE” ( we implies myself also ) are stupid imbeciles!

  • Is this another Arcus foundation pro gay financed propaganda piece??? Is RNS angling for its next payoff????? How many places that RNS feeds info and stories to knew about the Arcus-RNS connection. until it was finally uncovered??

  • Nothing about the APA is scientific. How is any mental disorder considered a mental disorder? A group of men decide what is and what isn’t a mental disorder. That’s the problem with psychiatry. There is nothing much that is scientific about it. It is basically a group of doctors that label people’s behavior by giving it a name. They decided that they did not want to label that behavior as a mental disorder any longer. Plain and simple. No science required.

  • The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 2357, labels gay acts as “intrinsically disordered.” The APA would do well to either acknowledge that, or show us the research by which they base their conclusion. But of course there isn’t any, as it was a political decision, not a scientific one.

  • Favorite quote from story: ““I have to be myself,” Hall said. “I can’t worry what other people think.””
    Population guesstimates:
    1 % +/- psychopaths
    5% +/- homosexual
    20 % +/- sociopaths
    “I’ve got to be me.”

  • Are you saying it didn’t happen?

    These stories get all the bigots out of the woodwork to say silly things and sane people to respond to the silliness. That kind of attention keeps them coming back again and again. RNS likes the attention. It bleeds, it leads. Its a captive audience.

  • God’s Law on homosexuality being sinful doesn’t change to not being sinful because of what the majority of any group wants or thinks.

  • Well-stated. But the Truth is a bitter pill to swallow.
    Jesus endorsed traditional marriage so fervently that any sexual activity outside of it is anathema. That ever included fantasizing [“looking lustfully”] upon a women! Then we are all guilty of sexual sin. The Church needs to deliver a bigger perspective on the subject—not cave in like the denominations listed. It is any coincidence that the list by and large consisted of church bodies that are shrinking in size?

  • Great point! The “pedophilia scandal” wasn’t really that at all. But the media, largely hostile to Christianity, needs to keep that phony narrative alive.
    I recall vividly Fr. Burtchaell, once the provost at Notre Dame, who was discovered to have indulged in sex with male students —who had sought him out as a counselor.

  • Avoid the occasions of sin. Do not sin no more ! Be perfect like God your Father. I guess these falls on deaf ears for those who prefer Sodomy that calls down the wrath of God from Heaven.

  • The Vocation has to be authentic from the Holy Spirit. A Priest who lies to receive the Sacrament of Ordination it becomes illicit because there is no sacrifice for the Homosexual to Marriage to a woman that God has intended for those who were created in His image. The Homosexual hares the thought of Marriage to a woman and prefers Sodomy with a man. This desire is evil and this desire to be a Priest is to be an evil desire to be married to Jesus in a sinful way by the inspiration of Satan the prince of the world the father of the culture of death and so called gay marriage. Who desires the destruction of the Catholic Church because the Church is the only Church that can fight Satan supernaturally. The Truth can be hard for the heathens those who have the Leprosy of Mortal Sin in their heart and do not know the Christ.

  • It is pure silliness to put oneself in the occasion of Mortal Sin. It’s worse when a Homosexual becomes a Priest. He has to lie and if a Bishop is Homosexual and allows another of his diabolical bent comrade to become a Priest the Bishop’s actions are Satanic and Christ will judge him more severe than the gay Priest who the Bishop ordained illicitly. The Judgment gets more severe if a boy is abused and loses his virginity by the Homosexual Priest. He would be better of with a cement collar around his neck and thrown into the sea.

  • How can a Homosexual Priest be a Priest it is impossible because he lied and is in Mortal Sin at ordination. He is excommunicated himself from the Catholic Church. The results are the Dioceses are filing bankruptcy across the country on account of these evil Homosexual Priests and Bishops. This is the tip of the iceberg.

  • Sin has consequences. Holy Charity is admonishing those who are Homosexual and showing them to stop their evil. To save their souls from the fires of Hell by renouncing their Homosexuality and Satan and his prompts of the world. Carry the Cross. It’s nothing new. Sodom and Gomorrah were leveled by God, Jesus Christ was there in the Holy Trinity and hated Homosexuality.

  • Yes, Ben, the priesthood is another name for the Sacrament of Holy Orders. And like Baptism, Confirmation, and Marriage, it effects a permanent change to the soul. The man becomes a priest of Christ before the Father. And he receives a sharing in the Priesthood of Christ. This occurs whenever a validly ordained Bishop, confers the Sacrament upon the man by the laying on of hands, and prophetic word (2Tim 1:6). And just to state it like it is, that bishop must be part of the Apostolic Chain of Succession. In other words, the bishop must have received his ordination from a validly ordained bishop, and on, and on, and on, all the way back to one of the 12 the Apostles themselves. This is called apostolic succession. And every Catholic bishop can in a sense trace his lineage of ordination back to one of the 12 apostles. So priests who are actively gay, are real priests, due to the permanency of the sacrament, but they will be Judged severely by our Lord (Luke 12:48).

  • Larry, if I could summarize. Your world has no walls, but a very short ceiling, one that is impermeable by God. The Christians on this site, live in a world with soft partitions as walls, but no ceiling. We let God in with easy access, but are cautious as to what lies beyond the partition walls. Our first order of business each day is looking up, and then looking around. Your order of business is apparently lateral only. So I would say that the Christians here are more open minded, with a fuller perspective. And we would encourage you all to strive for that sense of 3D.

  • That’s a nice opinion and statement of faith. Where you miss the mark rather widely is that you expect it to be taken seriously.

    Its tough to take people seriously calling themselves “open minded” when they constantly support discrimination, engage in petty sectarian squabbling, outright insult religious beliefs besides their own, attack the notions of a free society, and are compulsive revisionist liars on many subjects.

    I am sure that doesn’t apply to all self-described Christians on this board. But it certainly applies to many I address.

  • So Rev. Hall was deceitful, concealing his homosexuality while it served him to do so.

    That is not at all surprising. People who do evil lie about it.

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