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Mississippi church burned, vandalized with ‘Vote Trump’

(Reuters) A black church in Mississippi was burned and spray-painted with “Vote Trump,” officials said, and the FBI said it was looking into the incident, which comes one week before the U.S. presidential election.

No one was injured in the Tuesday (Nov. 1)  evening blaze at Hopewell Missionary Baptist Church in Greenville, and the cause of the fire has not been determined, Greenville Fire Chief Ruben Brown Sr. said in a telephone interview.

Black churches in the South have long been a base of support for the Democratic Party.

The town of about 33,000 people is about 100 miles northwest of Jackson.

“The FBI Jackson Division is aware of the situation in Greenville, and we are working with our local, state and federal law enforcement partners to determine if any civil rights crimes were committed,” the agency said in a statement.

Brown said the church was heavily damaged by the fire.

In October, the Orange County Republican Party’s office in Hillsborough, N.C., was set on fire and a graffiti message left nearby said “leave town or else.”

(Reporting by Jon Herskovitz)

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  • Could be Trolls, hopefully an effective investigation will identify the malefactors whoever they are.

  • Like the Reichstag burning?

    There is no history of successful false flag operations. Every one known to history was found out pretty quickly. Though Susan Smith was able to avoid suspicion for murdering her kids for a few days by appealing to racism. Claiming a Hispanic male carjacked her with the kids in the back.

    The last truly successful one I can think of is the plot of Captain America-Civil War. 🙂

  • On what basis would you think this is a false flag action?

    There is a 100+ year history of racial intimidation in the South, with frequent targeting of churches, including the Birmingham church bombing and Charleston church shooting.

    Now there is a candidate for president who calls blacks thugs (including blacks who support him) and who is rallying supporters to intimidate and suppress minority votes.

  • “There is no history of successful false flag operations. Every one known to history was found out pretty quickly.”

    Okay, so I’m not even saying that this was a false flag or anything. That’d be a stupid evidence-less assertion.

    But wouldn’t a SUCCESSFUL false flag operation, by its very definition, leave no historical trace??

    It’s like saying “No one in recorded history has ever successfully told a lie.” 😛 Because, you know, every successful lie that was never found out was recorded in history as the truth.

  • “But wouldn’t a SUCCESSFUL false flag operation, by its very definition, leave no historical trace??”

    True. But usually not for too long. Regimes change, stuff comes out. Plus there is an obvious beneficiary of the action after the fact, who profited from the action. The most famous examples of a false flag operation are from WWII. The Glenwitz incident at the Polish border and the Marco Polo Bridge incident. Both were found out pretty quickly after the fact. Nobody believed back then or to this day that Polish or Chinese aggression started WWII/Sino Japanese War.

    History shows that:
    1. People tend to be a lot less competent at carrying out complex plans than they would care to admit.

    2. If a secret is known by more than 2 people, it comes out eventually.

  • Bad examples. Its not a false flag when the people blamed for the incident are the ones who take credit for it.

    The Stern Gang took credit for King David Hotel. Menachim Begin was pretty open about saying he was a terrorist back then. He loathed the term “freedom fighter”. The Stern gang was blamed for it. No false flag there.

    USS Liberty was being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Both those on the giving and receiving end of fire claimed what happened. Unless you think Egyptians sank the USS Liberty.

  • On what basis would you think this is a false flag action?

    Here’s but one example — https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/10/30/suspect-arrested-for-arson-following-string-of-st-louis-church-fires/?utm_term=.9003ac8467aa

    Moderator — the above link is just a news story from the Washington Post.

    In case the link gets deleted, just google — David Lopez Jackson

    David Lopez Jackson, 35, faces two counts of arson in connection with two church fires, St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said. Jackson remains a suspect in five other church fires, which are under active investigation.

    Look into a man known as Frank Collin — aka Frank Cohen. Quick write up —

    Frank Collin (born Francis Joseph Cohen November 3, 1944), was a Jewish pseudo-“Nazi” who formerly served as the leader of the National Socialist Party of America, best known for a march in the Jewish suburb of Skokie, Illinois. He was defended in this legally by the ACLU at the U.S. Supreme Court, Cohen v. Skokie. The whole scheme was a hoax, meant to perpetuate a perception of Jewish victimhood

  • Yeah, but all of those by your definition are failures.

    And of course history will ALWAYS show that the truth comes out eventually. Because any lie that was never uncovered is assumed truth by history!!

    I personally think the truth will come out more often then not, but using HISTORY is no good metric for measuring that :P, since if the opposite occurs, and the truth of some plot DOESN’T come out, then by definition we would have no evidence in history for its occurrence. History is a biased record, and it certainly can’t report successful lies!!

    As a result, it’s technically impossible to argue against your point, because having knowledge of a counterpoint disproves that counterpoint as a “successful” lie, plot, or scheme.

  • “Because any lie that was never uncovered is assumed truth by history!!”

    Funny and mostly true!

    “since if the opposite occurs, and the truth of some plot DOESN’T come
    out, then by definition we would have no evidence in history for its
    occurrence. History is a biased record, and it certainly can’t report
    successful lies!!”

    Unless it comes out a long time after the fact, when all those who have benefited from it are long gone. Success isn’t always forever.

    Then again some things will always be lost to posterity. If Jesus died from food poisoning from bad falafel and his disciples covered it up with a story of crucifixion, nobody would ever know because records from that time are few and far between.

  • “Quick write up”

    From metapedia
    (I will not post a link to neo-nazi bullshit, people can find it with a quick search)

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Metapedia
    …In reality, however, Metapedia is little more than thinly-veiled neo-Nazi propaganda, with a generous helping of Holocaust denial. The site is awash in anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. A key trope is blaming the Jews for undermining the West via cultural Marxism.”

    Its telling you didn’t post a link on the Frank Collin stuff. 🙂

  • Hey Spuddie! You amuse me. 🙂
    All anyone has to do is google Frank Collin. Then make up their own mind.
    Just curious………..have you ever read Mein Kampf?
    I grew up “frightened” by that book. My parents and my church made it seem really scary. Then I read it as an adult. Not scary. Just read it. It won’t hurt you. 🙂
    Are you a White man?

  • The answers to your questions are:
    1. Yes. Hitler was a raving loony who was underestimated by the German social elite.

    2. Not telling. But in my posting history I have mentioned being in a racially, religiously and culturally mixed marriage and extended family. Which includes: Atheists, several Christian sects, Jews, Hindu, and Buddhists.

    White Supremacists get it horribly wrong. “Pure blood” means inbreeding and weakness. 🙂

    If you can get past your self imposed prejudices, there is an interesting guy to talk to underneath all of that.

  • White Supremacists get it horribly wrong
    I wouldn’t know. I know of no WS. Do you know one? Who would that be?
    Question — Is someone who loves his race a Surpremacist? Just trying to understand terms here.

  • “Is someone who loves his race a Surpremacist?”

    Yep. There is nothing special about race unless people make it so in an arbitrary fashion. Usually to confer benefits or penalties in an unwarranted manner.

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