Thousands of atheists and unbelievers, including Alberto Valdez from Del Rio, Texas, gathered in 2012 on the National Mall for the Reason Rally. RNS photo by Tyrone Turner

New study shows number of American atheists underreported

(RNS) A new study shows there may be more than twice as many atheists in the U.S. than previous studies have found.

The report by two University of Kentucky scholars suggests that because people may be embarrassed to admit they don't believe in God, the number of Americans who say they are non-believers may be artificially low. Polls from Gallup, Pew and Barna have reported that number between 3 and 10 percent.

But the real number of American atheists may be as high as 26 percent, according to psychologists Will Gervais and Maxine Najle.

“There’s a lot of atheists in the closet,” Gervais told Vox in an interview. “And ... if they knew there are lots of people just like them out there, that could potentially promote more tolerance.”

Gervais and Najle's work — which will be published in the next issue of the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science — shows that people are less likely to be truthful when answering a direct "yes or no" question about their faith, such as, "Do you believe in God?"

The pair polled two groups of people, asking each how many of several statements were true for them, such as "I am a vegetarian," "I own a dog," and "I believe in God."

One group -- 2,000 people -- received questionnaires with no query about God and another group -- 1,000 people -- received questionnaires that asked about belief in God.

By comparing the two groups -- and assuming the group not asked about God would have the same number of nonbelievers as the group asked about God -- Gervais and Najle conclude that the number of American atheists is usually under reported by most polls.

“According to our samples, about 1 in 3 atheists in our country don't feel comfortable disclosing their lack of belief,” Najle told Vox.

 

Comments

  1. A lot of things don’t go as planned but nothing has happened by accident for centuries.

    Albert Pike’s letter to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871:

    “The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.”

    “The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.”

    “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

    Don’t worry! The kangaroos driving the taxi know exactly what they’re doing.

    Perverse Robin Hood is God, Country Dick is our Prophet, Mondo Stump is our savior, nirvana is NBAutopia, the moon is made of ice, an obelisk is an egg timer, and the NBA twist is Jesus’s idea

  2. You accidently posted in the wrong place, right? This is RNS, not WND…so Alex Jones won’t see your post here, Sorry.

  3. “While Americans still feel coolest toward Muslims and atheists, mean ratings for these two groups increased from a somewhat chilly 40 and 41 degrees, respectively, to more neutral ratings of 48 and 50.
    “…older Americans (ages 65 and older) rate some religious groups, such as mainline Protestants (75) and Jews (74), very warmly, and others, such as Muslims and atheists (44 degrees each), much more coolly.
    “Pluralities of Americans give Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, atheists and Muslims temperature ratings somewhere in the middle of the thermometer. Roughly equal shares rate atheists coldly (28%) as rate them warmly (30%).
    “There are only two groups analyzed who give another group a mean rating of 33 or lower, and the chilly feelings are mutual: Atheists rate evangelical Christians at a cold 29 degrees, while white evangelical Protestants place atheists at 33. The two groups’ views of each other were also relatively cool in 2014, though white evangelical Protestants have warmed up slightly to atheists (from 25 to 33 degrees).
    “…Democrats rate atheists at 57, compared with a cooler rating of 43 toward atheists among Republicans.
    “Across the board, Americans express warmer feelings toward religious groups when they are personally familiar with someone in the group, consistent with findings from the June 2014 survey. … People who do not know atheists or Muslims rate these groups on the colder side of the scale, but those who do know someone who is an atheist or a Muslim rate these groups on the warmer side of 50.”
    http://www.pewforum.org/2017/02/15/americans-express-increasingly-warm-feelings-toward-religious-groups/ (February 15, 2017)

    “Americans like atheists less than they like members of most major religious groups. A 2014 Pew Research Center survey asked Americans to rate groups on a ‘feeling thermometer’ from zero (as cold and negative as possible) to 100 (the warmest, most positive possible rating). U.S. adults gave atheists an average rating of 41, comparable to the rating they gave Muslims (40) and far colder than the average given to Jews (63), Catholics (62) and evangelical Christians (61).
    “About half of Americans (51%) say they would be less likely to support an atheist candidate for president, more than say the same about a candidate with any other trait mentioned in a Pew Research Center survey – including being Muslim. This figure, while still high, has declined in recent years – in early 2007, 63% of U.S. adults said they would be less likely to support an atheist presidential candidate. There are currently no self-described atheists serving in Congress, although there is one House member, Kyrsten Sinema* (D-Ariz.), who describes herself as religiously unaffiliated.
    “About half of Americans (53%) say it is not necessary to believe in God to be moral, while 45% say belief in God is necessary to have good values, according to a 2014 survey. In other wealthy countries, smaller shares tend to say that a belief in God is essential for good morals, including just 15% in France. But in many other parts of the world, nearly everyone says that a person must believe in God to be moral, including 99% in Indonesia and Ghana and 98% in Pakistan.”
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/01/10-facts-about-atheists/ (June 1, 2016)

    “The conventional wisdom has long held that despite the constitutional guarantee of ‘no religious test’ for public office, there could be no greater albatross for a would-be officeholder than to be identified as an atheist.
    “The data has borne this out for generations. As long as polling on this subject has been conducted, in almost every case, atheists have faced the greatest voter resistance.
    “While far too many Americans still tell pollsters they could never vote for someone who was gay, lesbian or Muslim, the bottom of this particular political barrel is almost always occupied by atheists.
    “But for all those nonbelievers who keep their hats on their heads rather than toss them into rings, a new Gallup Poll offers a glimmer of hope.
    “The percentage of Americans who would vote for a qualified atheist candidate for president has reached 58%, which is 4 points better than it was in 2012, and a whopping 40 point jump from when the question was first asked in 1958. In that year, a mere 18% of Americans could abide the idea of an atheist president.
    “The number of those who would refuse to vote for an atheist candidate has also dropped from where it was in 2012, from 43% to 40%.
    “And as for being the least-electable group in the survey, nonbelievers have finally moved up a rung. Now claiming the space at the bottom of this particular barrel are socialists, with half of all voters ruling them out entirely. Sen. Bernie Sanders will have his work cut out for him. (Despite his very secular politics, he doesn’t identify as an atheist.)
    “Still, it can’t be denied that a hypothetical candidate’s atheism remains a major obstacle to passing electoral muster.”
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/25/living/atheist-president-gallup/ (June 25, 2015)

    *”Sinema’s campaign stated that ‘the terms non-theist, atheist or nonbeliever are not befitting of her life’s work or personal character’.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/us/politics/politicians-who-speak-of-religion-in-unaccustomed-ways.html (November 9, 2012)

  4. “Sorry.” I like that you seek forgiveness from Robin Hood.

  5. What do misguided Christians expect? They worship a couple of horrible deities, father and son, who by their own admission closely watch thousands of hours of live, vicious, child porn daily, yet don’t lift a finger to easily help the kids because they want to toughen them up, hiding behind the fallacious notion it’s a gift of freewill for the rapists. Anyone else who does all that is sick, depraved, and evil. When Jesus does it, it’s an act of love according to Christians.

  6. Really, we got a genuine prophet here? Nazis, world wars, commmunism and 1871.

    One of these these things is not like the others.

  7. Change “Christians” to “Christian deities” and you are spot on. They are almost as vile as the Muslim deities.

  8. John 3:16New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

    Hmmmm….that sounds pretty vile, if you ask me.

  9. Man is dead spiritually so it doesn’t surprise me that they under report the number of atheists.
    Ephesians 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins…
    Romans 3:23 “…for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
    Is. 59:2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God,
    And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.

  10. “If??” Couldn’t care less what Biblical one liner you cherry pick out of convenience.

  11. If according to you “man is dead spiritually” then it’s true YOU are dead spiritually. Instead of cowardly hiding behind “man is,” try standing on your own two feet by stating “I am.”

  12. Covenant House has a bad reputation due to their founder, Fr. Bruce Ritter’s, sexual assaults of children in their care, as well as their history of fomenting adverse relationships with child protection agencies.

  13. It seems the Leo Taxil hoax still has legs, but Taxil himself admitted it was a forgery. Moreover, how could Pike have discussed fascism in 1872, since it was not articulated by Mussolini fifty years after 1872?

  14. Under the present sociological climate of the nation, I expect the number to continue to grow, but numbers do not necessarily equate to truth or accuracy.

  15. Romans 1:18-32.

    It’s quite clear… as an atheist I’m no better than a murderer, and I deserve to die. As does anyone who approves of me.

    This is called the, “Condemnation of the Unrighteous” and it includes gay people too.

    But hey, you’re supporting the bible. So I have to think that you agree with it – that gay people, atheists, and anyone who approves of them are evil people who deserve to die.

    Not vile at all.

  16. As the old people use to say, “The ground is level at the foot of the cross.” We are all sinners in need of a Savior.

    Rom. 3:23 “Since all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.”

    Rom. 5:6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    Rom. 6:23: For the wages of sin is death – but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Rom. 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?

    John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

    We’ve all come short of God’s standard of righteousness – you, me, everyone. But He sent Christ to atone for our sins.
    According to the Bible we must do three things to be right with God:
    1. Admit and Confess our sins: John 1:9 If we confess our sins He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    2. Repent of and relinquish our sins (turn away from our sinful behavior): Luke 13:3 But unless you repent you will likewise perish.
    3. Believe/trust/Receive Christ as Savior: Rom. 10:9-10 …that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

    Why would anyone reject such an offer – unless you just didn’t want to give up your sinful lifestyle.

  17. Not “is” but “was”. You, me, everyone is dead spiritually until they are born again into Christ – then we are alive in Christ. I was lost spiritually until Christ the Good Shepherd found me – a lost sheep – and rescued me.

  18. The whole Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of the Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an omnipotent being
    couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how
    was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop
    up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now get out and bloodily sacrifice a goat as your old testament demands of you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah, nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions. http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

  19. The whole Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of the Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an omnipotent being
    couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how
    was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop
    up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now get out and bloodily sacrifice a goat as your old testament demands of you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah, nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  20. No, the whole Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of the Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an omnipotent being
    couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how
    was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop
    up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now get out and bloodily sacrifice a goat as your old testament demands of you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah, nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  21. Well, don’t say I didn’t warn you. And if you think it is such a big lie why are you so angry about it? Why even take the time to respond. Or maybe you’re feeling a little guilty, hmmmm?

  22. Copy and paste…copy and paste…copy and paste…rofl

  23. In more honest terms the argument is, “I’m a pepper. Wouldn’t you like to be a pepper too.”

  24. Wow, your religion is so venal and obnoxious.

  25. Actually, it is the very opposite. First, it is realistic. Freud said men are beasts. Hobbs said life is “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short”. You don’t have to look very far to see they are right. And so the atheist says: why would a so-called good and loving God let this happen? But this world is the way it is because of mankind’s sin – our sin. God originally created man to have fellowship with Him, but man sinned when he disobeyed God.
    Second, it is salvific and is motivated by love: We are the ones who screwed this world up – not God. God could have left us to our own devices. He could have left us to die in our sins. He would be totally just if He had. But He didn’t. He sent a Savior to die in our place. We deserved to die for our sins, but Jesus died for us. He took my sin and your sin and the sins of the world on Himself and died on a cross thus satisfying God’s demand for justice. Jesus didn’t have to die for anyone, but He did because He was motivated by love. When you trust Christ and appropriate His forgiveness you’re accepted by God as being justified (ie. acquitted) of your sins. You are “right with God”, you are at peace with God. You have become His child, adopted as it were into His family.
    Ever have some one save your life at the expense of their own. Anyone ever push you out of the way of a speeding car only to die himself? Probably not – not many have. But in a sense that’s what Jesus did for everyone in this world. Dylan’s song “Slow Train Comin'” comes to mind.
    How is that kind of love obnoxious?
    And you are not forced to receive Christ. You can say, “No thanks. I’d rather not.” You can either say “Thy will be done; or My will be done.” Totally your choice.
    But then you’d be rejecting the greatest love you can ever experience.

  26. A Dr. Pepper sounds pretty good right now. Your treat?

  27. Agreed, non-believers have known this about the number of Christians’ and the dubious accuracy of their teachings for a long time.

  28. If your religion was realistic we would not have Creationists (entirely a Protestant thing), opposition to contraception, preaching abstinence, vicarious contrition, widespread opposition to civil liberties, and you would be far less hostile to the existence of other faiths and beliefs.

    More importantly you would be trying to support your arguments by relying on something beyond special pleading and affirmations of belief.

  29. In reading your comment I must say that hostility to another’s belief is not exclusive to Christians.

    Nobody is holding a gun to your head to convert, Spuddie. Seems like the vast majority of the atheists posting here are very angry – its almost visceral. In Christian terms we call that conviction of sin.

  30. I am not the one demanding that all people share my belief. If you consider criticism hostility, it speaks badly of your critical thinking skills and ability to deal with others.

  31. “Seems like the vast majority of the atheists posting here are very angry”

    Not at all. Annoyed yes. Patronized and insulted constantly. Fiercely protective of their rights and those of others, usually. But angry, very few. You mistake anger with irritation.

    Many Christians who take your POV are tone deaf to the offense they give others or intentionally mean to give it. 🙂

  32. Nor are your accusations exclusive to Christians as is illustrated by your comment. And I am pretty adept at detecting tone of voice due to my occupation.

  33. It’s rude, presumptuous and immoral to call someone else a sinner, including infants, and propose taking responsibility for those speculative sins. It’s also a complete guilt trip if a blood sacrifice is involved. Any god that created the universe already had the power to forgive sins without sending a human to die, making the god immoral too.

    This supposed Jesus really didn’t make a sacrifice anyway. This god-man rose from the dead a few days later say the Gospels…so he really only had a bad weekend for our sins, many others have suffered much worse.

    Nobody but the gullible is fooled by this anymore.

  34. Luke 18:15-17
    And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. But Jesus called for them, saying, “Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.”

    And on your other points:
    Romans 9: “…who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?”

    Read your Bible a little more closely.
    You’re welcome.

  35. Only Christians are responding here with such tone deaf and obnoxious stuff. I got to work with the audience I have.

  36. I gave you good moral reasons to reject a likely non-existent diety(s), but in any case, an immoral god and savior…and you reply with incomprehensible verses about “pottery”… and “lumps of clay” ?

    And this from Luke?…
    “…And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them… But Jesus called for them, saying, Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them…”

    Hmmm…Yes, this reminds me of some issues my former church had with children near Jesus’s adult representatives…So let’s not let the kids enter any kingdom with this “touchy” Jesus !!

  37. The Bible is God’s love letters to His people. The fact that it is incomprehensible to you is what you get for reading other people’s mail.

  38. I Corinthians 1: 18ff For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,
    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
    And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”
    20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

    Why would you reject the Savior?

  39. Thank you for confirming the tone deafness and offensive nature of your beliefs.

  40. You know, Spuddie, I think you’d complain if you were hanged with a new rope.

  41. No, and it’s you who should be feeling guilty, for supporting the obvious collection of falsehoods and bigotry that is Christianity.

    Now get busy and sacrifice that goat or your nasty sky fairy will smite you as your nasty bible says.

  42. Notably, there is nothing of substance that you can present to support your beliefs.

  43. Your “Savior” story can be simply and utterly rejected as nonsense for reasons already explained to you repeatedly.

  44. No, you are the one who needs to read your bible more thoroughly, about your vicious, excessively vengeful, and murderous “god”. Just a few snippets from just one section of your foul bible:

    Acts

    Peter claims that Dt 18:18-19
    refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed.
    3:23

    Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when
    selling their land. 5:1-10

    Peter has a dream in which God show him “wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls.” The voice
    (God’s?) says, “Rise, Peter: kill and eat.” 10:10-13

    Peter describes the vision that he had in the last chapter (10:10-13). All
    kinds of beasts, creeping things, and fowls drop down from the sky in a big sheet, and a voice (God’s,
    Satan’s?) tells him to “Arise, Peter; slay and eat.” 11:5-10

    The “angel of the Lord” killed Herod by having him “eaten of worms” because “he gave not God the glory.”
    12:23
    The author of Acts talks about the “sure mercies of David.” But David was anything but merciful. For
    an example of his behavior see 2 Sam 12:31 and
    1 Chr 20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of
    several cities. 13:34

    Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11

  45. No, the bible is a horrid collection of fiction about a vicious and excessively violent deity with particular excessive vengeance problems.

  46. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son…

    Sorry, you’re wrong. The God of the Bible is a God who gave His Son to set you and me free from sin and death…that’s real love.

  47. Other than primary texts. What are your primary texts?

  48. Wasn’t a goat that was sacrificed – but a lamb. As John the Baptist said of Jesus “Behold the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.”

  49. There are many more for the issue of god is a non-issue, with no personal investment in whether there is a god or not. Many in this number tend to despise the nasty, morally chaotic, and intellectually silly nature of the churches.

  50. As opposed to complaining of being hanged on an old rope?

  51. Execution by hanging is generally performed with a rope that has been prepared by boiling and drying under tension. New rope tends to coil, which causes it to act like a spring when it supports the weight of the body during hanging. This is at best undignified and at worst likely to interfere with the effectiveness of the procedure and/or damage the corpse. Thus, one might complain upon learning the he would be hanged with a new, unprepared rope.

    The U.S. Army document, “Procedure for Military Executions,” describes the preparation of the rope for execution by hanging:
    30. Rope
    The rope will be of manila hemp, at least 3/4, inch and not more
    than 1% inches in diameter and approximately 30 feet in length.
    The rope will be boiled and then stretched while drying to elim-
    inate any spring, stiffness, or tendency to coil. The hangman’s
    knot (figure 7) will be used in the preparation of the noose. That
    portion of the noose which slides through the knot will be treated
    with wax, soap, or grease to insure a smooth sliding action through
    the knot. The noose will be placed snugly around the prisoner’s
    neck in such a manner that the hangman’s knot is directly behind
    his left ear.
    (Department of the Army. Procedure for Military Executions, December 1947, p. 15)

  52. Your single primary text has already been rejected as noted.

  53. In some of versions of your foul bible, it was a goat, but the same applies regardless re your horrid blood cult.

    The whole Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of the
    Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an
    omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop
    up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourself there, Christian. Now
    get out and bloodily sacrifice a creature as your old testament demands of
    you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is
    similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with
    him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah,
    nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  54. Isaiah 55:10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
    And do not return there without watering the earth
    And making it bear and sprout,
    And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
    11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
    It will not return to Me empty,
    Without accomplishing what I desire,
    And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.

    It doesn’t matter whether or not you reject it – God’s word still accomplishes what God desires.

  55. Gave? Gave?

    More like lent; and then only for a minuscule fraction of 13.8bn years.
    I mean – who amongst those of us who have one hasn’t wanted to avoid their son for a little while; love him dearly and all but he does go on a bit sometimes doesn’t he?

    And don’t start me on the idea that loving the world means tolerating all the evil that happens – paedophiles are renowned for convincing themselves that they love their victims, and vice-versa, we don’t buy that do we?

    Reality check – it’s just a hyperbolic myth to keep decent people ensnared in genuine guilt because they don’t realise that the repugnant, redundant and ridiculous story was manufactured by power-seeking wannabees.

  56. Since he’s so ineffective its reasonable to assume he’s moved on to desires that don’t force him to realise that his experiment with humanity has ended in exposing his own lack of morality.

  57. Only if it comes with lamb – and lashings of mint sauce.

  58. Is. 55:8-9 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
    Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord.
    9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
    So are My ways higher than your ways
    And My thoughts than your thoughts.

  59. “…loving the world means tolerating all the evil that happens – paedophiles are renowned for convincing themselves that they love their victims, and vice-versa, we don’t buy that do we?”

    Revelation 21:8 “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    Revelation 20:1 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    Matthew 25:41 [Jesus speaking] “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels…

    Just sayin’

  60. Numbers 31:17″Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. 18″But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.…

  61. And? That was a brutal culture in the OT. Numbers 31:3 “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the Lord’s vengeance on Midian. 16.Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord.
    Sin is a serious issue to God as is seen above. And we should pay attention to its consequences.

    But, we are under the New Covenant. Here Jesus fulfilled the law,
    Jesus said in John 10 I have come that you might have life and have it more abundantly.

  62. Oh sure, many reject Christ – nothing new there. But your reasons are not authoritative. They carry no weight, no substance, no influence. Not with me, at least. But God’s word as I’ve explained repeatedly trumps your paltry attempts to explain it away.

  63. Of course my beliefs are offensive to you. I believe what God’s word says, and He says His word is offensive to those who do not know Him. That my beliefs are offensive to you tells me I am on the right track. So, thank you for the confirmation.

  64. Let’s see: I’ve done an audit of my comments and the number of times I’ve demanded you believe what I do = 0.
    Maybe God’s Holy Spirit is convicting you of your sin. You better listen.

  65. And the moral of the stories: don’t mess with God’s people or you may go blind or even worse. And if you are one of God’s people and you mess up God will discipline you – sometimes severely, like David. And as far as Peter’s dream goes – he must have had too much Kishke or Miltze the night before.

  66. Ask the questions: Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
    Break the chains: Galatians 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
    Join the Movement: Matthew 11:28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
    Be Free: John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” And John 8:36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
    Be free of other superstitions: 1 Corinthians 8:4 …we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

  67. It’s not a matter of dubious accuracy, it’s a matter of willful refection of true spiritual precepts because they are inconvenient to the way people wish to live their lives, even when it’s to their own detriment in the long run.

  68. Not your beliefs. You attitudes with regards to them. You do your christian faith no service by acting obnoxiously.

  69. Just a quick note: there ARE still a few Catholics who actually believe in the accuracy and historicity of the Genesis account.

    They are very much in the minority. Naturalistic Evolution dominates the Catholic clergy, teachers and seminaries. And it even dominates the current Pope.

    So most Catholics who believe Genesis is historically accurate, keep their belief on the down-low. But every now and then you see brave Catholics, like Thomas Centrella, who are courageous enough to stand up for Genesis. Centrella’s article is a good Catholic response to Mouw’s theistic evolution.

    http://www.staycatholic.com/is_theistic_evolution_truly_plausible.htm

  70. They are in direct opposition to their own church’s authority on the subject. The Catholic Church is crystal clear on the subject. In your view of sectarian belief it would be as heretical as supporting abortion and contraception. Defying infallible authority of the church.

    To treat Genesis 1 as anything but myth is to undermine and eliminate it’s purpose and strength as a creation myth. It makes your religious belief infantile in the process and dishonest. It posits the false claim your belief is based in rational thought and facts. But it is untrue since you will not disbelieve based on the same criteria. It makes you lie in denial of your obvious faith.

  71. Jesus treated Genesis 1 historically. You saying his religious belief was infantile and dishonest? Do you think He eliminated the Genesis account of its purpose and strength?

    Just checking for comprehension.

  72. Well, you said beliefs. See above. Are you saying then you misspoke? That you made a mistake? ‘Cus you said beliefs here and pretty sure other places, too.

  73. Please copy and paste where I demanded you to accept my beliefs.

  74. Jesus didn’t have the benefit of 150 years of accumulated scientific discovery to render notions of a literal Genesis look silly.

  75. “…so little time” for what, Mary. Betcha forgot, didn’t you.

  76. OK sure. Your beliefs concerning others are offensive. You intend to offend.

  77. He is eternal. He has an eternal perspective.

  78. Ask the questions: Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
    Break the chains: Galatians 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
    Join the Movement: Matthew 11:28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
    Be Free: John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” And John 8:36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
    Be free of other superstitions: 1 Corinthians 8:4 …we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

  79. No, actually, my reasons are authoritative. This is shown yet again in the fact that you cannot rebut what I said.

  80. No, not at all. We speak with reason, whereas you cannot present any reason.

  81. False as usual from you. You’ve repeatedly tried to sell your belief to me. You fail.

  82. That simply shows yet again what a brutal, excessively vicious and vengeful being your nasty sky fairy of your Christian tall tales is, and how bible guidance is so horrid. Thanks for demonstrating my points, again, now with more warnings about violent, angry Christians following their brutal doctrine.

    Now, to go further, ask yourself why your “god” needs such a violent and error-laden book to get its message out at all? Why not put its message out directly into minds such as an omnipotent being could, or even put out its own website? And no, religious shill sites don’t count. Thousands of years since your god’s supposed last drop-in, we’ve had only silence from your sky fairy. The reason is that your god does not exist, and your Christian stories are pure fiction.

  83. The whole Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of the
    Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate and should be summarily rejected as such. How is it that an omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could simply pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourself there, Christian. Now get out and bloodily sacrifice a creature as your old testament demands of you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah, nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  84. First you said I demanded (which I didn’t); now you said I’ve repeatedly tried to “sell my beliefs” to you. Make up your mind. Did I demand or did I try to sell?

  85. Rebut? You’re correct – you cannot rebut once you’ve lost your but. And you’ve lost yours at the get go.

  86. Actually, no, your thoughts generally have been shown to be wrong and unfounded.

  87. Yet again, you cannot defend your position with anything of substance.

  88. Both. And now you present a False Dichotomy.

  89. As usual, you can’t reply with any substance, and can’t support your claim.

  90. Not really. Many of the Christian teachings are obviously wrong and harmful, so I reject them. Examples include basic claims about biology and geology, such as how disease transmission happens, the sequence of speciation, the origin of continents, the shape of the earth, and so on. Any flaws at all such as those mean that the whole religion isn’t of the claimed divine origin and thus to me Christianity entirely falls flat on its face; its claimed foundation is simply not true.

  91. It is interesting to read you defending child rape – God’s word still accomplishes what God desires.

    As for the new covenant, Those family values are a bit off putting, like Luke 14:26, ” If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters… he cannot be My disciple.”

  92. Funny, I could have sworn I said it was a brutal culture and that sin has serious consequences. Can’t see anywhere where I said I defended child rape. You apparently need a new prescription for eyeballs.

    Clearly, you don’t understand the language of hyperbole often employed especially but not exclusively by middle eastern cultures.

    You can find excellent sources for your edification on the internet.

  93. No, as has already been explained to you, the whole son-gift thing is complete rubbish.

    Specifically, the whole Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of the Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop
    up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now get out and bloodily sacrifice a creature as your old testament demands of you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah, nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  94. You can’t handle the substance. Or I should say you reject the substance. That’s why I mock your silly comments.

  95. It’s not a false dichotomy. I’m pointing out you inconsistencies, which are vast. Makes entertaining reading though.

  96. ibid.
    ˈibid/Submit
    adverb
    in the same source (used to save space in textual references to a quoted work that has been mentioned in a previous reference).
    And believe me – “ibid” is about all you deserve.

  97. This has been your most compos mentis point yet. Ironically, it involves an alleged letter from 1871, when Herzl was 11 years old and about 77 years before the founding of the State of Israel.

  98. As usual, you cannot respond with any substance to what you have been challenged with. Further “ibid” responses from you will be taken as your acceptance of that fact.

  99. As noted already, “ibid” responses from you are actually your acceptance of the fact that you cannot respond with substance to what you have been challenged with. So, thank you for accepting that.

  100. No, it was a false dichotomy. Look up the term.

    Now, thus far, you have been unable to respond with substance to what you have been challenged with. So, let’s start you off with your learning of some critical thinking about your horrid Christian tales, since thus far you have shown that you have not done any.

    First, do you agree that your god according to your bible threatens eternal torture to those who do not obey him? Yes or no.

  101. No, you actually have been utterly unable to respond with any substance to what I have said.

  102. As noted above, “ibid” responses from you from that point forward are actually your acceptance of the fact that you cannot respond with substance to what you have been challenged with. So, thank you for accepting that.

  103. Take them any way you want – it means the same thing. I have already answered your comment and it was sufficient. Further comments from you will be taken as your acceptance of the fact you have nothing left of value to say and so you just drone on.
    Hence the “ibid”.

  104. Ask the questions: Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool. And Jeremiah 33:3 ‘Call to Me and I will answer you, and I will tell you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’
    Break the chains: Galatians 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
    Join the Movement: Matthew 11:28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
    Be Free: John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” And John 8:36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
    Be free of other superstitions: 1 Corinthians 8:4 …we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

  105. Ask the questions: And Jeremiah 33:3 ‘Call to Me and I will answer you, and I will tell you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’
    Break the chains: Galatians 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
    Join the Movement: Matthew 11:28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
    Be Free: John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” And John 8:36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
    Be free of other superstitions: 1 Corinthians 8:4 …we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

  106. Ask the questions: Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool. And Jeremiah 33:3 ‘Call to Me and I will answer you, and I will tell you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’
    Break the chains: Galatians 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
    Join the Movement: Matthew 11:28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
    Be Free: John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” And John 8:36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
    Be free of other superstitions: 1 Corinthians 8:4 …we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

  107. Obviously they didn’t count the number in religious families.

  108. His reasons DO carry weight with our target audience, high schoolers reading these threads, deciding whether to believe the nonsense deity worshippers espouse.

  109. “Stated” or “wrote.” He “said” nothing.

  110. First you stated “is.” Now you state “was.” Make up your mind. How were you lost? Morally? Were your morals woeful?

  111. He’s likely responding so as to educate youngsters reading this thread. You are doing an excellent job helping him get his points across to them. Thank you for that.

  112. Up til this point ROR has been civil. Now DirtyHarry has pushed his buttons to the point where ROR becomes abusive via insult hurling. ROR, what’s up with that, you were doing so well?

  113. Cherry pick and quote…cherry pick and quote…cherry pick and quote…smh.

  114. DO you believe when a little girl is violently raped it is a gift from God because he loves her?

  115. So that young readers can learn they can easily develop good morals without participating in worshiping imaginary, spite filled, deities like yours.

  116. The brutality that was referenced was divinely commanded. Dismissing it as you have done is condoning the action. This, of course is the same deity that flooded the whole world (where did the extra water come from? or go, afterwards?) because they acted as they were constructed to act. The slaughter of the untold thousands, and all of the creatures except for a few, is now told as a charming child’s story, with no explanation for how the kangaroo got to Australia, and the penguins to the southern hemisphere, leaving no dead bodies behind whatsoever.

  117. You are certainly entitled to take that view, though I think in the end you will be proved mistaken.

  118. You have got to be kidding! It is a book of fairytales, contradictions and violence against non-believers. Come into the 21st century with the rest of us and quit believing in 2000 year old bullshit!

  119. But since you don’t believe the historicity of the biblical text, you are all worked up over a piece of fiction. How funny!
    You are a sensitive little snowflake.
    And of course you ignore the HIV holocaust of the late 20th century – which was the biggest preventable public health disaster ever. Gays actually did this to themselves, and spread it to innocent heterosexuals through blood transfusions.
    See the https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/

  120. ROFL – “Develop good morals” that’s really worked out well for atheist governments: eg. the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Nazi Germany just for starters. Dude, what have you been smoking?
    “If there is no God, all things are permissible.” (attributed to Dostoyevsky)

  121. Ugh, the Strawman fallacy. I stated nothing about troubled political leaders. I hate debating unremarkable, amateurs. You didn’t seem that way at first. Do you really think that the only way for a child to develop good morals is via deity worship, specifically the deity you believe in?

  122. “…the life of man is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.” Without objective moral values and duties, it doesn’t matter what tragedies or evils bedevil and afflict any of us, for as Sebastian Horsley said, “…man’s endless grapplings are no more important than the endless scuttlings of a cockroach.”
    And atheists do not believe in objective moral values and duties. So you may personally be enraged by the needless and horrible sufferings of people, but for you to assign any objective value to it is an exercise in futility. You can rage against the dying of the light – but in a atheist’s worldview the answer comes back, “…you have been completely unimportant.” (Horsley)

    A Man Said to the Universe
    BY STEPHEN CRANE
    A man said to the universe:
    “Sir, I exist!”
    “However,” replied the universe,
    “The fact has not created in me
    A sense of obligation.”

    You have no immovable standard by which to judge an act as moral or immoral – just your subjective evaluation of it.

    The Scriptures, however, reveal God’s objective moral values and duties to us. And in Christ those are fulfilled. You can reject Him – as you have indicated you have…but that is like someone holding a gun to your head and you reject the gun’s existence. It doesn’t matter – the gun is real.
    God is real. His word is truth. And you rage against God as if He really is real. Good luck with that.
    Psalm 2
    1 Why do the heathen rage,
    and the people imagine a vain thing?

  123. See the end of many of ROR’s posts. Or is it RTL’s or … dang! After a while all of you atheists blend together. No offense meant, btw.

  124. You’ve got to pay attention to context clues. Context is everything. No wonder you are confused. That and you show an absolute ignorance of the Bible, one of the truly great works of literature even if many disregard its inspiration.

  125. ROFL…High schoolers reading these threads!! Which moon of Jupiter did you wake up on? Dude, they are too busy on their cell phones texting each other. I know this for a fact – I teach high schoolers. And they don’t care one whit what you think about God.

  126. Sorry to disappoint you. Now about developing good morals: do you think there are objective moral standards and duties?

  127. I forgive you. Don’t answer a question with a question. You know this. Answer my yes or no question first. Again, I’m not interested in debating unremarkable debaters.

  128. Indeed. College kids, too. Youngsters DO read comment sections. Teacher huh? Those who can, do…

  129. Didn’t read it. Too scared to answer my yes or no question again.

  130. No, you have not responded to my comments with any substance, let alone “sufficient”ly. I also will not abide your pathetic “ibid” dodge attempts. So, I’ll drag you back again now to what you have been unable to respond to. Note especially the questions that you have been challenged with.

    The whole Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of your
    Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an
    omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now
    get out and bloodily sacrifice a creature as your old testament demands of
    you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is
    similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with
    him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah,
    nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  131. The base Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of your
    Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an
    omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now
    get out and bloodily sacrifice a creature as your old testament demands of
    you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is
    similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with
    him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah,
    nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  132. Heading into Pascal’s Wager with that one, Eddy. You should know better.

  133. The entire Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of your
    Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an
    omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now
    get out and bloodily sacrifice a creature as your old testament demands of
    you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is
    similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with
    him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah,
    nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  134. Generally, atheists understand the bible better than most Christians, context included. But there’s a more fundamental issue. Seriously, ask yourself why your purportedly omnipotent “god” needs such a flawed book and stale medium to get its message out. As an omnipotent being, no book should be required, but at a more simplistic level, where is your god’s website in our internet era (no, religious shill sites don’t count. Funny that your “god” also can’t produce a presence for thousands of years (let alone, ever).

    Christianity is nothing more than a large scale scam. It’s based on fiction, and never has delivered on its promises.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  135. Actually, I was referencing the bible. That is the source of the insults, and as you clearly know, a very violent and abusive text.

  136. Why don’t you ask Him? And tell Him what you think of Him. I think He is big enough to take your criticisms.

  137. Read the Bible. Start with the gospel of John (that’s in the New Testament). You say, “Ask Questions.” So I’m telling you where you can find the answers.

  138. See, that’s your problem: you don’t read.

  139. …those who can’t, teach; and those who can’t teach, administrate.”
    And “the teachers are afraid of the principal, the principal is afraid of the parents, the parents are afraid of the children, and the children aren’t afraid of anyone.”
    And why didn’t the sharks eat the lawyer when she fell overboard into the ocean? Professional courtesy.
    And…. Heard them all. And NO the youngsters don’t read these comments b/c they can’t read. I have high schoolers who read at the 3rd, 4th, and 5th grade level. Why? A better question is “how do we fix it?” If I knew the answer to that I’d write a book and retire. But this is off track.

    Allegedly you can read and write at a basic level. Your critical thinking skills could use a little work…OK…a lot of work. Hey, don’t shoot the messenger.

  140. The thinking skill for today is “Inferential reasoning”. If you possessed this skill you would have realized I have already answered you.

  141. Sure. You’re too afraid to provide a straight answer to a straight question. I didn’t read your long diatribes.

  142. The article you cite doesn’t say what you say it says AT ALL.
    HIV has been around for some 50 years or longer. we know this. Worldwide, AIDS is a heterosexual problem.
    But dishonesty is what you live for.

  143. No, the fact that He sent his only son to die on a cross for our sin shows that He isn’t finished with us yet.

  144. Since it is God who is speaking in the text, I assume you’re speaking back to Him (which is kind of creepy since you don’t believe in Him) and you’re telling Him His thoughts have been shown to be wrong and unfounded? You ok, ROR? Maybe we need to have an intervention for you right here. Let me know…ok?

  145. Youngsters don’t read this thread. They’re too busy on snap chat or whatever social media they are on. Sorry – no education here…keep on moving.

  146. We only have your word for that:

    “The reading from book of ROR”
    Christianity is horrible and vicious blah blah
    yada yada no God but me
    wah wah wah Christian sky jerk
    The word of ROR
    Thanks be to ROR

    [Gotta admit: this is more fun than I’m entitled to.]

  147. Nor do I care – “I just write those long essays for the youngsters (giggle, giggle) who are reading these threads, it’s for the kids (muffled snicker) that I do this… What? If you atheists can write your disgusting, revolting, repulsive, repugnant, abhorrent, loathsome, offensive, sickening, nauseating, nauseous, stomach-churning, stomach-turning, distasteful, obnoxious, objectionable, odious, noxious, vomitous; ghastly, gruesome, gross, putrid, yucky, skanky, beastly; miasmic, noisome, mephitic, dirty, filthy, mucky, grimy, grubby, muddy, muddied, unclean, unwashed; squalid, sordid, soiled, sullied, scummy; rotten, defiled, decaying, putrid, putrefied, smelly, fetid; cruddy, yucky, icky, skeevy; feculent (now where am I??? oh yeah) atheistic tripe to influence children, I guess I can post uplifting comments about how people can find hope in Christ. (I had no idea there were so many synonyms for the word “foul”)

  148. No, you read it. You just can’t provide an intelligent rejoinder.

  149. Thank you ahead of time for letting me answer your questions: (I have enumerated them for your convenience)
    1. Psalm 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. If you understood the Bible better than most Christians you’d believe in God.
    2.God’s not flawed and He is omnipotent. God revealed Himself in His word for the same reason companies put policies and procedures in print. (duh)
    3. God doesn’t need a website.
    John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
    17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
    John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
    John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
    8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
    9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
    10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
    11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
    12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
    13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
    14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    You’re welcome!

  150. Wow, John! What a detailed analysis you provided. It is scintillating, wise, learned, clever, intelligent, scholarly, sage, erudite, discerning, penetrating, perceptive, astute, thoughtful, insightful, percipient, perspicacious; and my favorite: sapient (although perspicacious is right up there)

  151. “Do you really think that the only way for a child to develop good morals is via deity worship, specifically the deity you believe in?”

    Yes and no. (I mean, you wanted an answer.)

  152. Dude, get educated about the use of hyperbole in middle eastern cultures. Your comment regarding Luke 14 makes you look like an intellectual rube. (Geeesh! So much for the comment: “atheists understand the bible more than Christian” comment by some other “nonbeliever, disbeliever, unbeliever, skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, agnostic; nihilist…” Let me know if I left someone out.)

  153. Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States.

    From 2005 to 2014, HIV diagnoses decreased in the United States by 19% overall, but increased 6% among all gay and bisexual men, driven by increases among African American and Hispanic/Latino gay and bisexual men.

    Over the past 5 years (2010-2014), the increase in HIV diagnoses among all gay and bisexual men was less than 1%, although progress has been uneven among races/ethnicities.

    Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men made up an estimated 2% of the population but 55% of people living with HIV in the United States in 2013. If current diagnosis rates continue, 1 in 6 gay and bisexual men will be diagnosed with HIV in their lifetime, including 1 in 2 black/African Americanb gay and bisexual men, 1 in 4 Hispanic/Latinoc gay and bisexual men, and 1 in 11 white gay and bisexual men. But these rates are not inevitable. We have more tools to prevent HIV than ever before.

    I figured your reading skills were sufficient that you would know I was referring to the US. Guess I was wrong.
    Here’s a web site for your educational edification: https://www.hookedonphonics.com/ And there is even an app for that. Woo Hoo!

  154. God brought you (plural) into this world – and He can take you out.
    Romans 9:20 …O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
    21 Hath not the potter power over the clay…

  155. Some think HIV has been around for thousands of years. I was an orderly in a hospital when the first AIDS patients started coming in back in the early ’80’s, and I took care of them. Their lifestyle got them into trouble just like heterosexuals who contract all kinds of venereal diseases and std’s because they can’t keep their zipper up. God’s commands chastity for single people and fidelity for married people for a reason: to prevent the acquisition of these diseases.

  156. Let me reply to this from an atheist’s pov: “Yes.”
    But I’m not an atheist. So my answer is from a Christian pov. Let me quote John 13:35 “Jesus wept.”

  157. Misguided? Don’t think so:
    Prov. 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
    Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
    Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the Lord, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.

    And let’s see: Any atheists charity organizations out there? Planned Parenthood doesn’t count as they sell baby parts.

    Not enough space to list all of the charitable Christian organizations.

    Atheists are the ones who are misguided.

  158. So when the clear meaning of the document is appalling, it is “hyperbole in Middle eastern cultures”. How .. convenient.

    That is self serving ignorance with a side of arrogance, you get to slander all of those desert dwellers and pretend that you understand better than those who wrote it.

    As the ongoing murders by sincere, pious religious folk (Topeka, and again in France) demonstrate, the holy texts are taken seriously.

  159. “But since you don’t believe the historicity of the biblical text, you are all worked up over a piece of fiction. How funny!
    You are a sensitive little snowflake.”

    I don’t believe that you get a perpetual stiffy and 72 virgins in the afterlife, but 3,000 of my fellow citizens were killed by sincere religious believers, following the precepts of their holy texts who did believe exactly that.

    So yes, it is reasonable for those who consider religious stories to be on a par with Harry Potter (only worse editing, more plot holes and logical contradictions) to be “worked up” on the BS stories that others are taking as if it had some relation to reality. Especially when their book clubs get tax breaks and have legal sanctions.

  160. “The Scriptures, however, reveal God’s objective moral values and duties to us.” Like the example of commanding child rape that you tried to dismiss as “the language of hyperbole”?

  161. Translation; “We wrote a lot of BS, but if we dress it up with woo the suckers will buy into it”

    Hell, the suckers think a book about unicorns, dragons, giants, a talking donkey, a talking snake, Angels banging human babes, horse-sized locusts is the word of an invisible man in the sky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDaNZAOEg3A

  162. “You saying his religious belief was infantile and dishonest?”

    Well, this is a guy who yells at fig trees for not having fruit out of season.

  163. I have no problem with Pascal’s Wager, I think it perfectly logical and coherent. He was of course, a brilliant scientist.

  164. What makes you think that quoting a bunch of bible passages gives them any authority? It doesn’t.

  165. Nothing gets the heathen to rage like quoting God’s word.
    Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people devise a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
    3 “Let us break Their bonds asunder, and cast away Their cords from us.”

    Jeremiah 23:29 “Is not My word like as a fire?” saith the Lord, “and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

  166. Ever yell at your car for not running correctly?

  167. Jeremiah 23:23 “Am I a God at hand,” saith the Lord, “and not a God afar off?
    24 Can any hide himself in secret places, that I shall not see him?” saith the Lord. “Do not I fill heaven and earth?” saith the Lord.

  168. Mark Twain said something that I think applies to you: “It is better to keep your mouth shut and to be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.”

  169. Well, I really apologize for all those Southern Baptists and Assembly of God folks who strap bombs on their little kids and blow shopping malls up just because Jesus said to. Oh wait, that didn’t happen.

    You seriously need to return to school and take a class in comparative religions – that or you need to lay off the crack.

  170. You’re getting pretty good at hyperbole yourself. Eg. your comment. Now, since I answered your question you can answer mine. Come on…put your thinking cap on.

  171. So you support gay marriage. good to know.

  172. I also was a corrections officer at one time – does that mean I supported criminal activity? Really, BO?
    It appears atheism erodes the thinking skills of its adherents.

  173. Which part of “out of season” is confusing you? The fig tree was operating as it should, the nutter yelling at inanimate objects, which you seem to feel is normal, is more akin to the guy screaming at trash cans.

  174. So your response is more woo? Contemplate how the invisible pink unicorn can be both invisible AND pink. How? well, it’s a mystery, far beyond mere mortals to imagine. It wouldn’t be told if it weren’t true.

  175. So you resort to insults when your BS is called out. You are of one type with the religious murderers, both in your ignorance and in your arrogance.

  176. Southern Baptists, you mean the cult that split with the American Baptists to further their support of slavery? They sided with the secessionists and took up arms against the US government in support of their divine right to whip their slaves as they see fit.

  177. Do you honestly support the divine mandate for child rape? if not, then what is the objective basis for your repudiation?

    Humans have thrived on this planet by virtue of their cooperation. They exist, with few outliers, in groups. Those groups have formed ethical rules based on empathy and mutual self interest that help the the group to prosper.

    If your only reason for moral action is fear of punishment, you are a poor excuse for a human being. If divine command justifies murder, rape and torture, as it has been shown to countless times, then divine command is immoral.

  178. It was just a suggestion, IC. (you appear to have really low self esteem as you take things so seriously and personally. Look, go have an adult beverage and chillax. And I have a book I want you to read, “How to win friends and influence People.)

    And remember, one man’s BS is another man’s … no wait, dang I thought I had another suggestion from Mark Twain to share with you. But I guess not. Dang!

  179. Well, don’t read it then. Nobody puts a gun to your head and forces you to read.

  180. His argument in that particular case, was of course, badly flawed. Thor will smite you for worshipping that Christian god guy.

  181. No, you plainly don’t have the answers and that is why you cannot state them.

    The entire Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of your Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an omnipotent
    being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla?
    And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could
    just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his
    fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now
    get out and bloodily sacrifice a creature as your old testament demands of
    you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is
    similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with
    him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah,
    nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  182. Because your god does not answer back, and does not exist. In fact, there is not a single verifiable instance of a divine being responding to a prayer or other request, ever. So, again, here are a few of the questions that you are unable to answer. And no, dumping bible bile on us from your nasty book of holy fiction does not constitute an answer:

    The entire Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of your Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an omnipotent
    being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla?
    And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could
    just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his
    fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now
    get out and bloodily sacrifice a creature as your old testament demands of
    you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is
    similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with
    him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah,
    nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  183. No, bible bile such as you have just dumped does not constitute an answer. So, here are some of the questions again.

    The entire Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of your Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an omnipotent
    being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla?
    And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could
    just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his
    fingers?

    Also ask yourself why your purportedly omnipotent “god” needs such a flawed book and stale medium to get its message out. As an omnipotent being, no book should be required, but at a more simplistic level, where is your god’s website in our internet era (no, religious shill sites don’t count. Funny that your “god” also can’t produce a presence for thousands of years (let alone, ever).

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now
    get out and bloodily sacrifice a creature as your old testament demands of
    you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is
    similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with
    him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah,
    nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  184. No, as explained to you above, the whole dead-son-on-sticks-as-sacrifice story is complete nonsense. The actual foundational story of your religion doesn’t hold up to critical examination, as explained to you already.

  185. No, your god obviously does not exist and has never spoken to anyone.

  186. Again, the base Christ-sacrifice-salvation story, the foundation of your
    Christian superstitions, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that an
    omnipotent being couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus’ death a “sacrifice”, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers?

    Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourselves there, Christians. Now
    get out and bloodily sacrifice a creature as your old testament demands of
    you, or did your god get that wrong in his first book? His sequel is
    similarly vicious but he’ll torture you eternally if you disagree with
    him or do anything else he doesn’t like in your short mortal life. Yeah,
    nice guy, that Christian sky jerk.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  187. FH – we live in an evil world. The “god” running this world, is not Christ. Christ has allowed this for His reasons, and nothing happens that He isn’t aware of….That said, rape happens. Does it make it right? Of course not. Does it mean that God wanted it to happen? No.
    Some women have turned their rapes into a gift because they have helped a tremendous amount of people knowing what they went through, who wouldn’t have been helped without that knowledge.
    Does God wish rape on someone? I doubt it as He wants good for us and not harm.
    But, we live in an evil world and these things are going to happen until Christ returns.
    I hope that helped you.

  188. One man’s BS is another man’s sincere religion?

    Apparently there is some debate if Mark Twain actually said, “Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.”

  189. The only people I know of who would support child rape would be those who believe that if their god says it, or their divinely appointed leader passes it along from god, it is good. Such as the noble warriors described in Numbers 31:17

    “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and
    kill every woman who has known man intimately. 18″But all the girls
    who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

  190. But that is the proof! The elders wouldn’t have spoken of a pink unicorn that is invisible, unless they had experienced it, the very ineffability of the concept proves that it is real, no one would make something like that up. Praise the invisible pink unicorn, holy be his precious name, May he feast on rainbows and poop glitter as he dances among the clouds.

  191. Your Jesus took Genesis as a historical document, yelled at trees for growing with the seasons, and predicted he’d be back before the audience died. Mental illness is a bitch.

  192. Who could not appreciate Homer Simpson, oddly enough, he often offers expressions that are poignantly true to life. However in this case, Pascal is wagering on the existence of God, not a particular God, so the analogy does not apply. Good try though.

  193. I perceive no flaw, however, I await the smiting by Thor. I think I will be waiting awhile.

  194. Ha. No one “worships” a “generic” god. Pascal was assuming the Christian god. The great philosopher’s comment is spot on. Nice attempt at denial, though.

  195. False. You keep shoving bible dung at us.

  196. You’ll be waiting just as long for your Christ fairy. Also ask yourself why your purportedly loving deity makes its poor followers wait thousands of years for him to lift a finger to remove a problem that he created. What a jerk!

    Now, the flaw in Pascal’s argument has been well established. You plainly know what it is, but just haven’t quite found the gumption to accept it. Keep working on it; you might get there.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  197. Here you go….supply us with the scripture telling us to rape please.

  198. Sounds like child abuse to me-I should know . I was sent to Catechism and was permanently damaged by both the Church and my parents with that “Burning in Hell” and “You are worthless devil” shit. I am a recovering God addict.

  199. As requested, here are a few of many from your evil holy book:

    If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. -Deuteronomy

    If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his
    days. -Deuteronomy

    And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? … Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. – Numbers

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

  200. As the proportion of non-believers rises the prejudice against atheism is likely to decrease, simply because of greater familiarity with people of no faith.

  201. I agree, Mglass. That’s why I advocate the virtue and value of “Getting to Know You”.

  202. Fabian Socialists are Luciferians with three symbols. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. A turtle that moves slowly and strikes hard. Two controlled conflicting parties pounding us into the dirt.

    If debt is money thanks to compounding interest, the national debt very quickly rises. As the economic hit men take the jobs and money out, they bring the people in. When the currency crashes, civil war and martial law.
    There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between communism, fascism, socialism, and Nazism. When Marx and Engels were writing the communist manifesto in London, another team were doing the fascism, socialism, Nazism leg work in Frankfurt. The goal of creating the state of Israel was stated before the Zionists decided to bust up the Ottoman Empire….50 years before the Donmed Young Turk (wife swapping Jewish) Armenian Genocide.

  203. Fabian Socialists are Luciferians with three symbols. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. A turtle that moves slowly and strikes hard. Two controlled conflicting parties pounding us into the dirt.

    If debt is money thanks to compounding interest, the national debt very quickly rises. As the economic hit men take the jobs and money out, they bring the people in. When the currency crashes, civil war and martial law.
    There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between communism, fascism, socialism, and Nazism. When Marx and Engels were writing the communist manifesto in London, another team were doing the fascism, socialism, Nazism leg work in Frankfurt. The goal of creating the state of Israel was stated before the Zionists decided to bust up the Ottoman Empire….50 years before the Donmed Young Turk (wife swapping Jewish) Armenian Genocide….

  204. 1984 was written in 1948 because Janus is the Roman God of chaos. Google’s “Don’t do Evil” means do evil. Trust be verify after flipping everything 180 degrees and double check but things like Don’t do Evil type things are “I’m a Goat, who is pretending to good and plan on being good, until all the foolish sheep follow me to slaughter” advertisement.

  205. Fabian Socialists are Luciferians with three symbols. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. A turtle that moves slowly and strikes hard. Two controlled conflicting parties pounding us into the dirt.

    If debt is money thanks to compounding interest, the national debt very quickly rises. As the economic hit men take the jobs and money out, they bring the people in. When the currency crashes, civil war and martial law.
    There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between communism, fascism, socialism, and Nazism. When Marx and Engels were writing the communist manifesto in London, another team were doing the fascism, socialism, Nazism leg work in Frankfurt. The goal of creating the state of Israel was stated before the Zionists decided to bust up the Ottoman Empire….50 years before the Donmed Young Turk (wife swapping Jewish) Armenian Genocide..

  206. Okay then! And now The Alex Jones Show will pause for a commercial for Cialis.

  207. A false god who would dare to send people to eternal torment would be unworthy of worship, or anything except disdain. And perhaps a Navy Seal team with a nuclear bomb pointed at his worthless carcass.

  208. Wait, what? Show your antecedents. Why invoke Sinema? She was raised Mormon but is unaffiliated.

  209. My motivation in posting the above citations was to reflect the persistent “chilly” bias against atheism in present-day America. One befitting example is the “not befitting” slur defensively cast by Rep. Sinema’s campaign upon the “personal character” of atheists.

  210. Matthew 7:1-5
    7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

    2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

    4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

    5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

  211. Ah. Understood. I see your point. Looking at a possible Senate run she does not want to become “the atheist candidate” and needs plausible deniability. Kind of like how her mentor, former Governor and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, kept her personal life hidden.

    “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” -Lucius Annaeus Seneca

  212. Compare that to the Crusades, slavery, colonization, genocide of Native Americans, etc, by the U.S., Britain, Spain, etc. And Hitler considered himself a faithful Catholic. There is enough evil by Christians and all other faiths to match those of nominally atheistic regimes. Of course, that “nominally” is there for a reason because they soon devolve in leader devotion as in the Chinese Cultural Revolution or in NoKo since the 1950s.

  213. Bill found Hillary by dragging a dollar Bill across my trailer Park. I wrote a song about being with Hillary.

    Came in thirsty
    Came in tired
    Out of the rain
    And into the fire

    She fed me Mezcal
    She turned the lamps down
    She pulled the shades down
    You all know I’m a liar

    She hiked her dress up
    I can’t remember what it said
    She glowed by the gaslight
    She was the limelight

    “Are you lost son?
    Are you a comrade?
    Been on the run, son?
    Out of directions?”

    She let her hair down
    It was orange and black
    Her eyes were wild
    Her eyeballs rolled back

    Salt to lime
    She took her time
    Take a pull from the bottle
    Go blind

    Hillary Rider
    If I find her
    If I love her
    Could never be the same

    Hillary Rider
    How could I have
    been beside her
    Could never be the same

    “Are you lonely?”
    “I’ve been lonesome.”
    “If you could only…”
    She’d ask the questions

    “Have you ever loved?”
    I told her I had, once
    She asked if true love
    Was all in an instance

    She showed me her scars
    She had as a child
    “Do you hear silence
    Like a fallen angel?”

    She just whispered
    My ears shaken
    “There’s a million souls
    I have broken and mangled

    There’s a million hearts
    That never felt a beat
    Stay for the winter
    Just until the meter melts.”

    Hillary Rider
    If I find her
    If I love her
    Could never be the same

    Hillary Rider
    How could I have
    been beside her
    Could never be the same

  214. It is not the word of god, it’s the words of men who were hallucinating or delusional and were used to control the people by fear and awe so the rulers could maintain control. That you believe that these unsofisticated and uneducated people could write stories for a supreme being shows that you are delusional yourself. There is little if any independent history that backs up the bible stories as legitimate. They are simply fairytales written down by ancient man to help them not fear the unknown. Science has cleared up a large portion of what ancient man did not know. I suggest you study scientific facts as your guide for living not these fables.

  215. You have certainly removed all doubt about you. We know you are a fool!

  216. My total agreement with you only falls short at the fact that Christian garbage started to appear only in the 4th century. There is no historical evidence of the existence of Jesus or any of the legends that first appeared in the 4th century.
    1600 years of myths legends and lies. Not 2000.

  217. Quoting confused and contradictory garbage from a human authored book fails to validate that garbage or validate that book.

    Now tell us about this Jesus character and his adventures through authentic historical evidence without any reference to biblical mythology?

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