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Twisting the cross: The deadly theology of white supremacy

Members of the Ku Klux Klan participate in cross and swastika burnings after a "white pride" rally in rural Paulding County near Cedar Town, Ga., on April 23, 2016. (AP Photo/Mike Stewart)

Members of the Ku Klux Klan participate in cross and swastika burnings after a “white pride” rally in rural Paulding County near Cedar Town, Ga., on April 23, 2016. (AP Photo/Mike Stewart)

(RNS) — I’m in Tennessee on a little mountain getaway, trying to write a book. As soon as I got down here and settled in, I heard about a white supremacist rally planned for this past weekend, at one of the Confederate monuments in Knoxville. Of course, I took a writing break.

Tennessee, the state I grew up in and love so much, ranks fourth for hate groups, with nearly 40 active ones. (In fact, as troubling as it is, five of the states — Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi and Tennessee — with the most hate groups are in what’s often called “the Bible Belt.” It must break God’s heart that the Bible Belt is the hate belt.) The fine people here quickly organized a response to the KKK gathering – the Knoxville Kindness Rally. It was a beautiful thing to be a part of, several thousand folks strong.

The KKK was pretty much a no-show, and the reporters had those of us who stood against white supremacy outnumbering the folks at the Confederate monument 70-to-1. A news headline said: “Kindness Takes Over.”

In Tennessee the local news always has a sprinkling of faith in it, being in the heart of the Bible Belt, which gets interesting with the KKK. Over and over in interviews and on websites, many of the white supremacists overtly profess Christianity. But as my family watches, and hears the theology behind the hatred, even its most conservative members grimace. It’s gross theology.

The hatred is bad enough. There’s something even more insidious when religion is used to camouflage hatred. Some of the white supremacists even wear crosses, and carry crosses, and have cross tattoos.

Ku Klux Klan members pose before taking off to scatter airborne leaflet propaganda over Washington, D.C.’s Virginia suburbs during a Klan parade on March 17, 1922. The individuals wore KKK Blood Drop Cross insignia, and the plane had a swastika version, seen at the far right. Photo courtesy of Creative Commons/Voice of America

Just as the cross has inspired millions of Christians to stand up for life, to fight for freedom and to come alongside victims of oppression, there have also been times when the cross has been twisted. And a twisted cross becomes a swastika.

A symbol of love can become a weapon. The icon of redemption can become an instrument of terror.

When we miss the central message of God’s love, the sacred cross can get twisted into something profane, even evil. Some of the most horrifying things in history have happened at the hands of Christians with poisonous theology, divorced from grace. It’s what happened with Hitler and the Holocaust. It was the case with slavery and the lynching of black folks in the United States. It’s the story of the Ku Klux Klan. It’s behind the abortion bombers, and the Inquisition, and the Crusades. And it’s bad theology that is being used to justify white supremacy today.

Bad theology is dangerous. Bad theology gets people killed.

As a Christian who worships the loving, forgiving Savior on a cross, I find it particularly troubling when the cross is used as a weapon to justify racism, hatred and violence — the very stuff I’m convinced Jesus came to heal the world of. And as one who worships a browned-skinned Arab Jew from Palestine who spoke Aramaic and died with love on his lips … I am sickened when I see neo-Nazis try to baptize their bigotry.

After the KKK threatened protestors in Ferguson following the fatal police shooting of Michael Brown, I was in Ferguson, and I went on the KKK’s website. I was disturbed, not just by the overt hatred spewed there, but by the theology that backed it up. They were invoking Christ in their threats — and so I did a little snooping. Not only did their threats in Ferguson invoke God’s blessing, but their entire website was sprinkled with how God blessed their activities. One part in particular caught my attention: Under the heading “Tradition,” I found one of the most disturbing things I’ve ever seen — a theological explanation of why KKK members set the cross on fire in those iconic images of lynchings and hate-filled mobs.

This is the statement from the KKK website:

The lighted cross of The Knights is no different than the average church that has a lighted cross either on top or in front of their church building. The light of the cross symbolizes the Light of Christ dispelling darkness and ignorance. It is the fire of the cross that reminds us of the cleansing “fire” of Christ that cleanses evil from our land. The fiery cross is a symbol that has long been popular with the Christian faith. … We don’t burn the cross, we light the cross. We recognize that Christ is the light of the world. The lighted cross is a symbol of freedom — freedom from sin — freedom from tyranny. When a Klansman or Klanswoman participates in a cross lighting ceremony they are making a public declaration to Jesus Christ of their continued commitment to the Christian faith.

But that’s the KKK. Most bad theology is more subtle than that. White supremacy doesn’t always wear a hood and carry a Confederate flag. Most twisted theology is much sneakier. It creeps in when church choirs stop singing “On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand” and begins singing hymns about making America great again, as they did in First Baptist Dallas. It comes out of the closet when white evangelicals like Jerry Falwell call President Trump the “dream president” or as televangelist Paula White put it: “Trump has been raised up by God” for such a time as this. This too, is dangerous theology that’s more distinctively white than it is Christ-like. So we have to keep our sniffers on.

One of my friends says our theology needs to pass “the smell test.” Does it smell like Jesus?

The question ever before us — whether it’s the KKK or a preacher on TV — is this: Does this remind me of Jesus? Does this “gospel” I’m hearing sound like the Gospel of Jesus — where the last are first, the first are last … the mighty are cast down and the lowly are lifted up … where the hungry are filled and the rich are sent away empty … where the poor are blessed, the oppressed are set free, and the peacemakers are the children of God. If the message is not Good News to the poor then it is not the Gospel of Jesus.
If it doesn’t smell like Jesus … we need to toss it out like sour milk.

Now back to writing that book.

(Shane Claiborne is the author of “Executing Grace: How the Death Penalty Killed Jesus and Why It’s Killing Us.” Find him at www.redletterchristians.org. The views expressed in this opinion piece do not necessarily reflect those of Religion News Service)

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  • I have always found it rather upsetting and disgusting, let alone the height of being sacrilegious to burn a cross. Then to top it off to use it in such a way to put fear, violence, hatred, into it which is the antithesis of everything the cross means. I have often wondered why I never heard of anyone speaking up to them in this regard as they desecrate the symbol of love and reconciliation.

    Then of course there is the violence, intimidation, put into those they targeted. I hope these types of hate groups either disappear in their entirety or in the very least stay in their caves or shadows like those who practice satanism. Evil seems to be coming out of the shadows over the past few years and either we push it back in or hope Jesus comes and destroys it forever.

  • Geometric symbols like the cross, the swastika, and the pyramid or delta triangle have different meanings according to who is using them. The swastika, for instance, was an ancient symbol for good luck; as recently as the 1960s The University of new Mexico’s yearbook was called “The Swastika” after the use of the image by Pueblo Native American tribes as such. The delta or pyramid is either the symbol of unity and the ancient rule of threes as used by freemasons and other esoterics; to conspiracy theorists, it represents oppression. Likewise the cross: a universal symbol of Christianity – “X” is the form of the “St. Andrew’s Cross in the emblem of Scotland, and theology students traditionally note -take using “X” to simply mean “Christianity”; yet to blowhards “Xmas” is somehow an insult to Christians. The Klan merely appropriated it in its pursuit of white supremacy, anti-Catholicism, and anti-Semitism, and its other atrocities like pogroms against couples who shack up without a marriage license. Regardless of its use, such things always have different connotations to different people. I belong to The Shrine, specifically AAONMS, or Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystic Shrine, an appendant body of freemasonry known for its children’s hospitals and Arabic imagery, which is becoming problematic like The Washington Redskins and The Cleveland Indians are for obvious reasons, but our local Shrine is named “Isis Shrine” and some members want that changed even though the goddess Isis predated terrorist Isis by a few ten thousands of years. So it goes.

  • So here’s a question. Exactly what’s so deadly about this one Bible text?

    “The temptations in your life are no different from what others experience. And God is faithful. He will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand. When you are tempted, he will show you a way out so that you can endure.” (1 Cor 10:13)

    This text gives real hope and comfort to all strugglers and “questioners”, regarding any personal issue. In musical terms, it sounds a lot like this:

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=jesus+culture+break+every+chain&form=EDGEAR&qs=LS&cvid=c32ab7db17454c208d9d889db28e1afc&cc=US&setlang=en-US&PC=ACTS

    But what songs of hope & healing & comfort, can the Gay Activists offer? Hmm?

  • The Sanskrit term Swastika 卐 has been in use in English since 1871, replacing gammadion 卐 (from Greek γαμμάδιον).

    The Gammadion Cross 卐 is formed by group of four Greek lettergamma (Γ), the capitalised third letter of the Greek alphabet. Each gamma represents one of the four Evangelists, (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) who radiate from the central Greek Cross, which represents Christ.

    Swastika mosaic in Byzantine church in present day [Edomite] Israel. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ShaveyZion1.jpg

  • Didn’t you read the article? The KKK doesn’t burn the Cross, they light the Cross. The fiery cross is a symbol that has long been popular with the Christian faith. 

    The light of the cross symbolizes the Light of Christ dispelling darkness and ignorance.

    P.S. The idea of Cross lighting was introduced by Thomas Dixon, Jr., in his novel, The Clansman, in 1905. A cross lighting is first described in Book IV Chapter 2 “The Fiery Cross” on pages 324–326 of the 1905 edition. It is introduced by one of the characters as “the old Scottish rite of the burning cross. It will send a thrill of inspiration to every clansmen in the hills.”

    http://impiousdigest.org/knightwatch.jpg

  • Eating shrimp is an abomination, but one you have given yourself permission to do because you like shrimp.

    Leviticus calls for the execution of men who participate in whatever it is describing. Do you support that? It’s the word o’ god, after all, right Mr. ISis?

    As for not inheriting the kingdom of god, I’m talking about all of the actions that viciously antigay religion takes to harm gay people in this Iife. I’m sure that you would wish to change the subject to something else, especially since no one has appointed you the arbiter of who gets to the Heaven that I don’t believe in. .

  • There was a movie with Jane Fonda some years ago on that very text. She played a nun. When she lamented the loss of her dear mother. Someone quoted that bit of nonsense to her. She responded, “do you mean that if I were a weaker person, my mother would still be alive?”

    The song of hope and healing we offer is freedom from the likes of a twisted cross, a perverted theology, and the slavery offered by– how shall we put it delicately to a black man whose ancestors experienced slavery and Jim Crow– people who claim to speak for god?

    Sorry, we’re no longer interested in participating in our own oppression. My gay Christian friends found a better class of church and a better class of Christian to hang out with.

  • Well, that is perhaps the most perverted twisting of anything I’ve ever heard, short of “I love you so much that I’ve created burning in hell for eternity just in case you don’t love me back.”

  • Matthew 15:11 “Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

    Mark 7:18-19 “So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?”

    (In saying this, the Lord Jesus Christ declared all foods clean.)

  • As I said, you like your shrimp and you like your bacon. You will always draw your lines so carefully around your own desires to include that which appeals to you, and exclude that which doesn’t.

    “Slay all the unbelievers” is quite unequivocal in Deuteronomy. Yet, you find ways around that as well.

  • Apostle Paul stated in 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

    Christian scripture says that God and his laws stay the same!

    Matthew 5:18 “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

    Isaiah 40:8 “The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
    Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

  • You seem to be confused on several levels.

    FIrst, The passages you cite all say that god’s law doesn’t change, but there you are with your bacon sandwich and shrimp cocktail. All hasn’t been fulfilled, has it, but there you are with your BLT. And I see no call from you to execute Newt Gingrich for his admitted adultery.

    Second, I’m an atheist.

    But thanks for playing.

  • Romans 1:22 “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,”

    Matthew 10:14 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”

  • Never say that to a gay man!

    Well, you can say it to me. I’m married. But my name isn’t Satan.

  • Real ones based on human understanding and compassion not from a book of mythology that often offers false hope and comfort. Some people are OK with that, others prefer reality.

  • The test of the meaning of a thing is what most people take it to mean. The KKK burns crosses. They know it a terrifying imagine. They know it stands against everything decent citizens in this country embrace. I don’t need to look up an obscure passage in an obscure book to know just what it means. I know where it has been burned, and when, and the message could not have been clearer.

  • The so-called white supremacy movement is a drop in the bucket in contrast to the ever-violent liberal fascist and BLM movements. The newly reactivated hatred toward the KKK, who merely have handfuls of members, and the absence of a like-minded disgust for the vastly larger and more violent leftist movements reveals at very least a lack of critical thinking, but more likely bigotry.

  • Why is it that you dig many thousands of years back into Jewish Scriptures to make a point about today’s Christians?

  • And why is it today’s Christians dig many thousands of years back into Jewish scriptures to make a pointless point– let’s call it what it is: attacks– about scientific knowledge, people who want to control their own reproduction, gay people, and in my life time, Jews?

  • Don’t use the triple parentheses, unless you want to be recognized as a racist. That practice began on sites like Stormfront and 4chan, where people would put them around the names of Jewish people.

  • “The KKK doesn’t burn the Cross, they light the Cross. The fiery cross is a symbol that has long been popular with the Christian faith. ”

    An honest answer.

    Someone who doesn’t pretend that the hate and bigotry of the KKK isn’t inherently wrapped up in Christian belief.

    Good to know that your version of Christianity has nothing of value to respect it. Merely an excuse to express bigotry in a semi-socially acceptable fashion.

    Please continue posting. Take away the plausible deniability christian conservatives have built up concerning your kind. They try to deny that you are not one of them. Not of the same faith or same overall beliefs.

  • I think Strong119 pretty much declared his support of hate groups like the KKK in his prior response concerning lighting, not burning of crosses.

    He very much wants to be recognized as a racist.

  • Well deserved hatred towards the KKK for decades of murder, mayhem and turning hate into color of law. It is not bigotry to despise and deplore such actions. Merely being a decent human being.

    BLM isn’t a movement based in violence. Their goal is to prevent killing of unarmed people at the hands of police. The KKK’s goal is to kill unarmed people with impunity and preferably with police sanction. I see no reason to consider one on the same level of another.

    No amount of online demonization can erase images like this
    http://www.badazzmofo.com/2012/09/07/something-to-think-about-9/
    http://www.badazzmofo.com/2012/09/03/something-to-think-about-3/

    Face it Alfie, you support one of the worst and most long standing domestic terrorist organizations our nation had and currently as.

  • Which of course is exactly what images are intended when a skinhead d1ckweed spray paints it on a building. /s

  • The Ku Klux Klan is heavily infiltrated at all levels by the FBI. The undercover FBI agents are easy to spot. They are the ones who like actors, show up at rallies, and play the hollywood “KKK, & Neo-Nazi” stereotype, wearing KKK outfits, waving Swastika flags, and shouting racial epithets in front of the media.

    KKK Leaders Allege Producers Paid Them to Fake Scenes in Canceled A&E Documentary (EXCLUSIVE)
    http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/kkk-leaders-allege-producers-paid-them-to-fake-scenes-in-canceled-ae-documentary-exclusive-1201950078/

  • https://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2012/05/23/should-black-people-tolerate-this-n1263867
    Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Using the 94 percent figure means that 262,621 were murdered by other blacks.

    According to a Tuskegee Institute study, between the years 1882 and 1968, 3,446 blacks were lynched at the hands of whites. 

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingsstate.html
    The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites being lynched between 1882 and 1968.

  • https://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2012/05/23/should-black-people-tolerate-this-n1263867
    Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Using the 94 percent figure means that 262,621 were murdered by other blacks.

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingsstate.html
    The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites being lynched between 1882 and 1968.

  • And this has any bearing over the crap you have posted previously where you have declared your affiliation with violent racist organizations how?

    Oh right, none whatsoever. You are merely confirming what I have said and what you have said before.

  • Shorter Strong119:

    “Although I agree with Neo-Nazis and the KKK I find their public behavior embarrasing”.

  • None of which disputes a word I said nor likely to make you appear to be a reasonable person whose views are not repugnant dog crap.

  • So racists had murdered only 3446 people in that time period, and somehow, that makes you a better person?

  • Homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament. Your “scientific knowledge” of homosexuals does not exist. Christianity is not kidnapping people off darkened streets to fill their coffers with members. Killing a human being with a unique a DNA from the mother is not reproduction choice, it is murder.

  • Homosexuality is condemned in the NT? There you go, making up stuff to suit your agenda. why not?

    Let’s see. Romans. The context is idolatry, but that context is ignored, because it is simply not convenient to a political and prejudicial agenda. Just as the words that appear immediately afterwards are ignored, because that would require thought and evaluation.

    Aha! Corinthians, you say. “Something” may be condemned there, but what? Pederasty? Love of fine clothes and soft living? Anal sex? Who knows? You certainly don’t. the word “homosexual” did not appear in the bible until 1948. and lesbian women are not mentioned in it at all. So “homosexuality” is not being condemned. you just want it to be.

    But then, you ignored my point AND yours. you are STILL reaching back thousands of years.
    As for your statement about scientific knowledge of homosexuality does not exist? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
    And ha.

  • You got it wrong again. Big difference between the moral law of God and the dietary laws imposed on the Israelites. Maybe you haven’t noticed the dietary laws were fulfilled in Christ. Look it up; the practice will do you good.

    Now, if you’re fine in ignoring Lev. 18:22, maybe you will be okay with ignoring the others in that chapter too. Here, let me copy/paste them for your consideration and edification (I’ll exclude v. 22 as it has already been listed):
    Leviticus 18:6 None of you shall approach any of his near relatives to have relations: I am the Lord.

    7 You shall not have relations with your father or have relations with your mother. She is your mother. You shall not have relations with her.

    8 You shall not have relations with your father’s wife, for this exposes your father’s nakedness.

    9 You shall not have relations with your sister, whether your father’s or mother’s daughter, whether raised in the family or another home.

    10 You shall not have relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter, for this exposes your own nakedness.

    11 You shall not have relations with your father’s wife’s daughter who is raised in your father’s family, for she is your sister.

    12 You shall not have relations with your father’s sister, for she is your father’s relative.

    13 You shall not have relations with your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s relative.

    14 You shall not expose the nakedness of your father’s brother. You shall not approach his wife for relations; she is your aunt.

    15 You shall not have relations with your daughter-in-law, for she is your son’s wife—you shall not have relations with her.

    16 You shall not have relations with your brother’s wife, for this exposes your brother’s nakedness.

    17 You shall not have relations with a woman and her daughter, nor shall you have her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, for this exposes the woman’s nakedness. They are all near relatives. It is depravity.

    18 And you shall not have a woman as a rival wife, who is the sister of your other wife, for this is to expose her nakedness while her sister, your other wife, is still alive.

    19 Also you shall not approach a woman to have relations as long as she is in her menstrual uncleanness.

    20 Moreover, you shall not have relations with your neighbor’s wife to defile yourself with her.

    21 You shall not let any of your children be offered through the fire to Molek, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.

    22 DELETED!!!!!

    23 You shall not lie with an animal to defile yourself, nor shall any woman lie with an animal. It is a perversion.

    Gosh, after reading them I’m not sure you’d be against any of them. After all, if there is no God all things are permissible.

  • Lets look at the text in question:
    Rom. 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged the natural function for what is against nature. 27 Likewise the men, leaving the natural function of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men with men doing that which is shameful, and receiving in themselves the due penalty of their error.
    This describes homosexuality to a T. Like Shakespeare’s Juliet said, “A rose by any other name…”
    And I’ve seen some of your gay parades: right out of Dyonesian festival. Just gay porn on the street. So Paul is absolutely correct.

    So once again you have exposed your ignorance of the Bible. And I am not surprised. LOL.

  • Once again you expose your ignorance of the Bible. Let’s look at the text in question:
    Deuteronomy 17:2 If there be found among you, within any of your gates which the Lord your God gives you, man or woman, who has acted wickedly in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, 3 and has gone and served other gods and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded, 4 and if it is told to you, and you have heard of it, and investigated diligently, and it is true, and the matter is certain that such a detestable thing has happened in Israel, 5 then you must bring forth that man or that woman who has committed that wicked thing to your gates, that very man or woman, and stone them with stones until they die. 6 On the testimony of two or three witnesses he that is to die must be put to death, but on the testimony of one witness he cannot be put to death. 7 The hands of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from among you.

    How about that: People there got the death penalty for treason – just like today. But they did get due process!

  • Treason? who knew that worshipping another god was treason, because otherwise, you just made it up.

  • AS I said, even though god’s law never changes, it does when you want that bacon sandwich. Jesus said “not one jot or title of the law”.

  • That’s not the reason Paul gives. Look at the context. You again expose your ignorance of the text.”…dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged the natural function for what is against nature. 27 Likewise the men, leaving the natural function of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men with men doing that which is shameful, and receiving in themselves the due penalty of their error.”

  • LOL. When you try to interpret the Bible you make illiterate fundamentalists look brilliant. No wonder you are confused. You need to spend some time actually reading and studying the text before you open your pie hole and attempt an argument. My advice: stick with psychology and sociology.

  • First of all your response reeks of anti-semitism. But I think it’s just ignorance on your part about primitive cultures. Now you might want to actually consult the cultural context here. Religious treason, had it gained a foot hold, would have meant the complete destruction of the Israelite nation. Come on, BO, use some of that analytical training you received in psychology and sociology. You can do better.

  • [I couldn’t pass this up.]
    Let’s look at the text you have alluded to: Matt. 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one dot or one mark will pass from the law until all be fulfilled. 19 Whoever, therefore, breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will in no way enter the kingdom of heaven.

    See the sentence: “I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill.” And the independent clause “…not one dot or one mark will pass from the law until all be fulfilled.” Now pay attention: those are very important.. No one could obey the Law. the Jews knew that. They had a sacrificial system for that very reason. But Jesus DID obey every jot and tittle. And then he fulfilled the moral law, the dietary laws, the civil laws, and the sacrificial laws. He was the perfect sacrifice. Once He fulfilled the Law all those who place their faith in Him are justified – acquitted of legal penalty that sin brings – and are now at peace with God.

    So you attempted to use a proof text to make a point- but all you did was once again expose your ignorance of the Bible. LOL.

  • “Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
    10 Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.”

    I’m interested what your “scientific” evidence for homosexuality is. I don’t believe there is any. Did you misspeak?

  • I suspect that you are not an honorable man, or are perhaps inflicted with the disease of Denial of Reality.

  • Which makes it even worse…you come down on the side of the polytheistic Egyptians and Canaanites.

    Lev. 18:1-5 and then 24-30 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 You shall not do what is done in the land of Egypt where you lived, nor are you to do what is done in the land of Canaan where I am bringing you; you shall not walk in their statutes. 4 You are to perform My judgments and keep My statutes, to live in accord with them; I am the Lord your God. 5 So you shall keep My statutes and My judgments, by which a man may live if he does them; I am the Lord.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………
    24 ‘Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled. 25 For the land has become defiled, therefore I have brought its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants. 26 But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you 27 (for the men of the land who have been before you have done all these abominations, and the land has become defiled); 28 so that the land will not spew you out, should you defile it, as it has spewed out the nation which has been before you. 29 For whoever does any of these abominations, those persons who do so shall be cut off from among their people. 30 Thus you are to keep My charge, that you do not practice any of the abominable customs which have been practiced before you, so as not to defile yourselves with them; I am the Lord your God.’”

    What does all this mean? It means you are a traitor to you ethnos.
    You reject God…
    you reject His commands, laws, testimonies, statutes, precepts, judgments, ordinances…
    you reject שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָֽד.

    How can you say you’re a Jew when you reject everything historically and theologically Jewish?
    You’re more like Maj. Vidkun Quisling than anything.

  • Step away from the koolaid. Step away from the koolaid.

    If what you say is true, there are very few Jews in the US who would meet your standards. You are giving the tinfoil hat people a bad name.

  • But actually, no. I just reject the people who claim to speak for god, and who claim that god wants them to use their faith as a weapon.

  • So you reject Moses as well as God…figures. LOL. You already said you’re an atheist. That in and of itself proves – by your own words – that you have committed high treason against the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. And your lifestyle also is an affront to your history and what your ethnos suffered for 3500+ years. You are ungrateful and selfish.

  • LOL. Not my standards – YOUR OWN FAITH’S STANDARDS. It’s right there…and I rubbed your ungrateful and selfish and unbelieving nose in it.

    And I am not the one who drank the kool-aid. You and the rest of your agnostic/atheistic ilk are the ones who drank the kool-aid of unbelief. I happen to believe the Tanakh – unlike YOU.

    Joshua 24:15ff “…choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

    But you and your ilk chose to serve the FALSE GODs that your forefathers delivered you from. LOL. How ungrateful is that?

    As the writer of Proverbs says in Proverbs 26:11 Like a dog that returns to its vomit
    Is a fool who repeats his folly.”

  • So you would prefer “ethnic group”?
    Of course when you’ve lost the argument do what you do best – deflect. LOL.

  • Internet adage that asserts that “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches. LOL. If the shoe fits…

  • You can’t because you are a know-nothing hiding your ignorance and malice behind the cloth of secrecy the Internet provides. You appear to be an habitual first-line reader of Internet stories who looks for material for one-liners to post.

  • Proejection is what you do best. You referred to me as quisling, you basically called me a race traitor.

    If the white hood fits, please feel free to wear it.

  • Honey, they only thing you may be rubbing as you obsess about all of that hot sweaty mansex is….

  • ♫And we’ll know he’s a christianist by his love, by his love… yes we’ll know he’s a christianist by his love!♬
    Love to see the fruits of the spirit demonstrated in the born-again christianists”!

  • Lol. You’re confused! Let’s recap: I believe the Jewish scriptures – YOU DON’T! I take seriously the commands, testimonies, laws, etc. YOU DON’T. Abraham is our father in the faith. If belief in God counts for anything I am a more observant “Jew” than you are. YOU REJECT YOUR FAITH AND HISTORY – I ACCEPT IT AND BELIEVE ALL OF IT. You fit right in with the Egyptians and Canaanites lifestyle.

    So not only are you ignorant of the Jewish scriptures and the NT scriptures, and not only are you a traitor to your own faith, you are a purveyor of fake history and theology. And your moral preening is laughable. Lol.

  • Lol. Right on cue. You are so predictable. The question wasn’t if but when. Lol.
    I am satisfied…my work here on this thread is finished.
    Nice talking with you BO. See you on the flip side.

  • Nonsense. If anything is bad theology, it it is defending diversity and
    globalism in the name of Christianity. For the antichrist to arrive on
    the scene globalism and diversity are a necessity, for instance. And God
    certainly didn’t create actual diversity (with distinct races and
    nations having their own distinct cultures and countries … and men being
    men and women women) for humans to destroy diversity by abolishing it
    through ‘mulitculturalism’ and gender ideology. Furthermore, what’s even
    more bad theology is the childish notion that Christ came to “heal the
    world of racism, hatred, violence” – that’s children’s bible theology.
    Christ never suggested anything of the sort, not even close. His kingdom
    is not of this earth. God knows the world is what it is and it won’t
    change. Christ will help us to save our souls, but He didn’t come to
    carry out the liberal or conservative (with small c) political agendas. I
    find it sick when people try to justify the forced repopulation of
    Europe and America and the silencing of the (white or native European)
    opposition because of their infantile “white guilt” version of
    Christianity, it is still genocide … as well as the rape, the looting
    and the murdering. Stop hijacking Christianity for your own
    non-Christian political agendas, please. It’s quite ironic the author
    accuses his opponents of doing exactly that, I suppose.

  • The Edomites were conquered by John Hycarnus who forcibly converted them to Judaism, and from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants.” See [The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, New Revised Edition, 1966]

    ♦ “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.” (pg 3 of the 1980 Jewish Almanac).

    “Jews began to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860″ (Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23). The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, page 41, states, “Edom is in modern Jewry.”

    “It is assumed that under Herod I. all genealogical rolls kept in the Temple were destroyed (Sachs, “Beiträge,” ii. 157).” See under subheading, “Loss of Genealogies” @ link. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/6577-genealogy

    Romans 9:13 “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.Genesis 36:9 “And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:”

    The prophet Obadiah foretells the complete annihilation of Esau’s Edomite offspring, [which “Modern Jewry” descends from] in Obadiah 1:9, and Obadiah 1:18

  • Modern Jewry is largely descended from Edomites (Idumeans) who were forcibly converted to Judaism in 130BC, Hasmonean Leader Johanan Hycarnus and absorbed into Judean society, recorded in “Antiquities of the Jews” Book 13: Chapter 9, Section 1.

    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0146%3Abook%3D13%3Awhiston+chapter%3D9%3Awhiston+section%3D1
    Hyrcanus took also Dora, and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befel them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

    In Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9, Apostle John speaks of imposters who “say they are Jews, and are not” labelling them the “synagogue of Satan.”

  • http://www.kingjamesbibledictionary.com/StrongsNo/G3120/effeminate
    Effeminate – Strong’s Concordance Number: G3120

    Bible Usage: effeminate soft.
    Part of Speech: Adjective
    Strongs Definition: soft that is fine (clothing); figuratively a catamite
    Thayers Definition:
    1. soft, soft to the touch
    2. metaph. in a bad sense
    a. effeminate
    1. of a catamite
    2. of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
    3. of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
    4. of a male prostitute

  • Romans 1:26-27 (KJV) “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

  • Fortunately, the second largest branch of Christendom in the world, Eastern Orthodoxy, rejects the cuckoldry (i.e. the multiculti, multifaith, transgender, anything goes, “tolerant” ideology) that has been adopted in place of Christian values, by the Roman Catholic Church, Anglicans, and many Protestant denominations.

    The head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, has hit out at multiculturalism saying it has “no future”.
    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/patriarch.kirill.multiculturalism.puts.christianity.at.risk/101613.htm
    https://www.rt.com/news/367599-patriarch-kirill-rt-interview/

    Multifaith diversity is condemned in Exodus 23:33. Christians are instructed in both 2 John 9-11 and 2 Corinthians 6:16-18 to separate themselves from the followers of non-Christian religions. Luke 19:27 “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.1 John 2:22 states that those who deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, i.e. the followers of non-Christian religions and atheists, are antichrists.

  • Racial segregation and racial hierarchy, are supported by God, and enforced by the Israelites in Numbers 25:6-13, Deuteronomy 17:15, Deuteronomy 23:2-3, Ezra 9:1-2, Ezra 10:2-3, Hosea 5:7, Sirach 13:14-16, Tobit 4:12, and elsewhere. P.S. “Bastard,” found in Deuteronomy 23:2-3 is defined as: a {mongrel} that {is} born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother. SEE Strong’s Exhaustive Bible Concordance, Strong’s Number, #H4464 @ link. http://www.kingjamesbibledictionary.com/StrongsNo/H4464/bastard

    Deuteronomy 23:2-3A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord. 3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord for ever:”

  • “If it is a source of joy and glory to men to have children like unto themselves – and it is more agreeable to have begotten an offspring then when the remaining progeny responds to the parent with like lineaments (characteristics)– how much greater is the gladness of God the Father, when any one is so spiritually born that in his acts and praises the DIVINE EMINENCE OF RACE is announced!” – The Treatises of SAINT CYPRIAN of Carthage, p 1012.

    Here Saint Cyprian is saying that when one considers the joy of a father who has produced children from among his own race, one can imagine the even greater gladness of God at this man’s progeny.

    Saint Cyprian’s words: “that in his acts and praises the DIVINE EMINENCE OF RACE” leave little doubt that “men to have children like unto themselves” refers to race.

  • Romanian Orthodox Christian priest, theologian and professor, Father Dumitru Staniloae’s book, “The Dogmatic Orthodox Theology” (1978), made him one of the best-known Christian theologians of the second half of the 20th century.

    ROMANIAN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN THEOLOGIAN, FATHER DUMITRU STANILOAE WROTE: “A man pure, without nationality (race) is an abstraction. Since there cannot be an apple without the GENETIC determination of a certain kind, it is more evident that there cannot be a man without individual national (racial) determination.”

    Father Dumitru Staniloae uses the word, “GENETIC” to underscore the importance of genes, DNA, to a persons INDIVIDUAL NATIONAL (RACIAL) IDENTITY as he puts it. This is common sense, and reminds me of GOD’S LAW OF “Kind after Kind,” found in Genesis 1:11-12, Genesis 1:21, Genesis 1:24-25, Genesis 6:20, Genesis 7:14, Genesis 8:19, Genesis 39:19, Leviticus 11:14-16, Leviticus 11:19, Leviticus 11:22, Leviticus 11:29, Deuteronomy 14:13-15, Deuteronomy 14:18. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDTVgOZUMAAxB9d?format=jpg&name=small

  • Tobit 4:12 “Beware, my son, of all immorality. First of all take a wife from among the descendants of your fathers and DO NOT MARRY A FOREIGN WOMAN, WHO IS NOT OF YOUR FATHER’S TRIBE; for we are the sons of the prophets. Remember, my son, that Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, our fathers of old, all took wives from among their brethren. They were blessed in their children, and their posterity will inherit the land.”
    https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Tobit-4-12/
    https://orthodoxwiki.org/Tobit

    Father Stanley Harakas wrote: “The Church holds that nations were created by God. Consequently, total intermarriage would destroy the races which God created. The Church has never advocated or encouraged racially mixed marriages.” https://orthodoxwiki.org/Stanley_S._Harakas

    Sirach 13:14-16 “Every creature loves its like, and every person his neighbor; all living beings associate by species, and a man clings to one like himself.”

  • Do you people ever employ reading comprehension? “For this reason” refers to the Roman idolatry discussed in the previous chapters. “God gave them up” refers to God making heterosexual people commit hopsexual acts. Any gay person can tell you all aboutow awful doing that which is contrary to your nature can be.

    Ya know what I see? People using the Bible as a weapon against other people, in direct violation of what Jesus told them. Or in the case of racist and/or religious bigots, iGnoring what Jesus had to say altogether about the two greatest commandments.

    Why, it almost seems as if you really don’t care what Jesus says at all. The Bible is just one more brickbat in your never ending anger that other people exist.

  • Ve already been informed by Shawnie that the KJV is a mass of translational errors. Since she has a brain and so,ecs holarship, I’d listen to her.

  • why don’t you speak about a far worst danger> farra-con (nation of islam) and their equally hateful dogma against whites and jews???

  • I am a Muslim… I have a totally different perspective of Jesus, prophets and God… But that is not the case here now.

    I just came as I never understood the relation between Christianity and White nationalism (supremacy)…. It never made any sense…. How do you beleive in any privilege from God cause you have a specific skin colour and born in a specific place…. Those things you never chose…. That theology insults God as being an unfair God…. But I am glad to hear some reasonable voices here!

    One last thing… How Trump can be put as a Christian saviour is beyond my imagination…. Just look at his wives?!!! Did Jesus would do the same?!!

    Those who have those reasonable voices need to step up and hold their responsibility against evil guys wearing crosses.

  • As evidenced by many of the vile comments here, it could well be argued that providing a justification for hatred and bigotry seems to be a “feature” rather than a bug of most religions.

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