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  • MThatch

    Someone posted this elsewhere on the site.

    >>>Cruz is a domionist. “A Public Policy Polling (PPP) national survey conducted between February 20th and February 22nd of Republican voters, found that an astonishing 57 percent of Republicans want to dismantle the Constitution, and establish Christianity as the official national religion. Only 30 percent oppose making Christianity the national religion.”

    http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/25/57-republicans-dismantle-constitution-christianity-national-religion.html

    >>>Not only is dominionism not good for Jews, Mormons, Hindus, Catholics, athiests, agnostics, etc., etc., it it not good for Christians. Dominionists want their kind of Christianity to be the law of the land, so if you’re not a particular brand of fundamentalist then your beliefs will be trampled as well.

    http://marksilk.religionnews.com/2016/01/15/by-new-york-values-did-cruz-mean-jewish/

  • Michelle Skulemowski

    I just wanted to say God Bless you and your family and thankyou for putting God back into America. We need to get back into what our founding father’s had made and formed our country on God ,and prayer. Thankyou for putting God back into God Bless America.

  • G Key

    Just remember that not every American goes to your church — and that all of your American equals have as much right to their own personally chosen and cherished beliefs and values, and to their own private and legal life decisions, as you do to your own personally chosen and cherished beliefs and values, and to your own private and legal life decisions.

    Would you have them second-guess your chosen beliefs, or wield “supervisory” authority over your cherished values, or make your private life decisions for you? Would you live your life according to their equally sacred and inviolate spiritual/existential moral codes?

    It’s all about how we treat each other, and the Golden Rule applies.

  • Karen

    Where do you think the Golden Rule came from? Whether you realize it or not, if you have a set of morals, beliefs and values, they had their beginnings with God. It seems that Mr Cruz is standing up for religious freedoms rather than imposing them and preaching hate against certain groups as has another leading candidate.

  • What people claim about themselves and how they really are can be quite different. For example, the claim that Cruz is for religious liberty must be reconciled with how he views the religious liberties of those who bellieve that same-sex marriage is acceptablle to God. See, the difference between liberty and privilege is the absence or presence of equality. Without equality, liberty for all become privilege for some.

    And his claim to follow God must be reconciled with his carte blanche support for Israel regardless of how Israel treats the Palestinians. If Israel does not treat them as equals, again, Cruz is supporting privilege, not equality.

    Now we should note that the Scriptures do not smile on those who use privilege to oppress, marginalize and/or neglect the vulnlerable, those who are without privilege.

  • Fe Cools

    There are no gods. Morals and values come from peoples and cultures, absolutely not from a supernatural being. All religions hijacked local values and norms and made them into godly laws.

  • Ted Cruz is the Orwellian nightmare.

    “Religious Liberty” to him means enforced Christianity.
    America is dying before our eyes.

    Since 9/11 America has reacted to every crisis with religion first.
    We have thrown out the first amendment because in our ignorance we didn’t want to understand it.

    Even if the republicans lose this election, America is revealing its preference:
    It wants to be Iran.

  • @Karen,

    The Golden Rule:
    “DON’T DO TO OTHERS WHAT YOU DON’T WANT DONE TO YOU”

    In biology it is called innate reciprocity.

    It didn’t come from a god. It isn’t even complicated!!!
    Humans are social animals and of course this is the oldest social code in history – it requires no gods.

    Most animals (especially primates) create bonds through reciprocity. It is a function of survival! That is the irrefutable evidence. Don’t you dare tell me it came from a god if you can’t prove it.

  • Jack

    While Cruz’s father has made some occasionally odd statements on the matter, I don’t see that Cruz himself is a dominionist, unless you so absurdly broaden the definition of the word, you include any person who believes religious expression has an equal place in public life with secular expression.

    To me, that’s a serious misuse of the word. Dominionism believes that every form and text of government, including the Constitution, should be literally scrapped in favor of Old Testament law. No reasonable person can attribute that desire to Cruz, who not only is a big fan of the Constitution, but is a strict constructionist regarding its meaning and application. You can’t be a Constitutional literalist and a dominionist at the same time. It’s like being a vegan and a cattle rancher.

  • Jack

    Curt, explain how Cruz’s position in favor of freedom of conscience and religion for business people who don’t want to be forced to provide a service connected to gay marriage is a violation of said freedom.

    That sounds pretty Orwellian to me.

  • Jack

    And how does Cruz’s support for the right of Israel to exist within defensible borders and to engage in acts of self-defense is wrong.

    Would you want to see Israel dead?

    Are you willing to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to a century’s worth of Arab Muslim rejection of a Jewish state of any size, no matter how miniscule?

    If so, why? Just curious.

  • Jack

    And why do you think Cruz’s support for the right of Israel to exist within defensible borders and to engage in acts of self-defense is wrong?

    Would you want to see Israel dead?

    Are you willing to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to a century’s worth of Arab Muslim rejection of a Jewish state of any size, no matter how miniscule?

    If so, why? Just curious.

  • Jack

    Max, you’re being silly again. The fact that virtually every society in history has some form of the Golden Rule embedded in its culture is hardly a refutation of the notion that it came from a divine origin. In fact, the universality of the notion is exactly what you’d expect were there a divine being.

    You’ve neither proven or disproven anything.

  • Jack

    Fe Cools, I agree there are no gods, with one obvious exception — the One who created you.

    Sorry you’re so mad at Him.

  • Jack,

    “silly”

    You claimed Zombies (Matthew 27:52) are the source of morality.
    Now who is being silly?

    I have proof of morality. but no proof of god.
    That leaves us with morality without a god.

  • @Jack,

    Are you denying Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio
    are throwing Jesus at every problem !?

    The GOP pandering to the religious is a two-fisted disaster:

    1) Jesus fixes nothing by himself.
    2) Invoking Jesus distracts us from talking about serious solutions!

    The whole business is wasteful. Religion is in the way.

    According to the United Nations, the OECD, The Legatum Institute, The U.S. National Intelligence Council, Congress, the CIA, business publications and countless studies:

    The U.S. ranks 23rd in the world in terms of infrastructure, well behind that of every other major advanced economy. The American Society of Civil Engineers report card was a “D,” and the cost of bringing all systems up to adequacy, (not an “Ideal”) was estimated at $2.2 trillion.

    How will Jesus fix that??

  • CarrotCakeMan

    It’s always so sad to see Christianists attack anyone who doesn’t share their political agenda they hide behind “faith.” Look how Cruz apparently agrees with the duck guy, that those who don’t suffer from the mental disorder, homophobia, should be eliminated.

    The more Christianists shriek, “you MUST bow down to my political agenda I call ‘God,'” the more Americans will walk away from all churches and defeat Christianist candidates.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Sorry, Jack, “religion” made Phil Robertson demand genocide for LGBT Americans at Cruz’s rally.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Get real, Jack, you’re endorsing a special right for those who suffer from the mental disorder, homophobia to attack LGBT Americans and violate existing laws. There’s just no point in trying to put lipstick on your pig. Baking a cake is not a “religious act.” Those who claim “Homophobia is Holy!” are in the minority among American Christians:

    http://publicreligion.org/2015/04/attitudes-on-same-sex-marriage-by-religious-affiliation-and-denominational-family/#.VbUcrRNVhBe

  • @Carrotcakeman,

    You are right – as always!
    And I was beginning to think i was the only one who noticed Phil Robertson’s outrageous call for genocide at Cruz’s rally.

    It is yet more evidence religion is not only untrue – it does more harm to society than good.

  • Shawnie5

    Jefferson summed up the difference between Christian and pre-Christian ethics quite neatly:

    “Their [the classical philosophers] precepts related chiefly to ourselves, and the government of those passions which, unrestrained, would disturb our tranquility of mind…In developing our duties to others, they were short and defective. They embraced, indeed, the circles of kindred & friends, and inculcated patriotism, or the love of our country in the aggregate, as a primary obligation: toward our neighbors & countrymen they taught justice, but scarcely viewed them as within the circle of benevolence. Still less have they inculcated peace, charity & love to our fellow men, or embraced with benevolence the whole family of mankind.” (cont.)

  • Shawnie5

    (Cont.) “His [Christ’s] moral doctrines, relating to kindred & friends, were more pure & perfect than those of the most correct of the philosophers, and greatly more so than those of the Jews; and they went far beyond both in inculcating universal philanthropy, not only to kindred and friends, to neighbors and countrymen, but to all mankind, gathering all into one family, under the bonds of love, charity, peace, common wants and common aids. A development of this head will evince the peculiar superiority of the system of Jesus over all others…The precepts of philosophy, & of the Hebrew code, laid hold of actions only. He pushed his scrutinies into the heart of man; erected his tribunal in the region of his thoughts, and purified the waters at the fountain head.”

  • @Shawnie:

    HA! So Ted Cruz is on the right track to becoming Thomas Jefferson now?
    What balderdash!

    Jesus in the hands of a skeptic like Jefferson is defanged and philosophical.
    Jesus in the hands of a knee-jerk believer is CHAOS.

  • Richard Rush

    Karen, saying that the Golden Rule came from God is just one example of how religions typically take credit for all things deemed positive, and deflect responsibility for all things deemed negative. A flip-flop of that notion would be much closer to accurate.

  • G Key

    Why did you think I cited the Golden Rule, Karen? I used it because I embrace it! I’m an atheist, not an antitheist.

    I believe the Golden Rule means respecting others’ personal boundaries, beliefs, belongings, bodies, bedrooms, & business — not to mention their rights, privacy, & equality — as I would have others respect my own.

    I believe people’s spiritual/existential boundaries are sacred. What lies within is private. Open-minded queries may be answered at the owner’s discretion, but unsolicited commentary is strictly forbidden. Faith, fundamentally, is subject to personal boundaries. Contradictory claims presume inequality, advocate trespass, and sanction cruelty; they profane other people’s beliefs.

    I believe it is wrongful for any belief system or believer to disrespect another’s boundaries. I believe it is blasphemous for any shepherd or sheep to claim rights to another’s pasture. And I believe such ungodly trespass leads to inhuman cruelty.

  • Shawnie5

    Reread my post and the one to which it was directed. You didn’t get it the first time around.

  • G Key

    Jack, as an atheist, I chose my own principal guiding values: inequality-lessness, trespass-lessness, and cruelty-lessness.

    My values have served me well in untangling the “religious freedom” knot and deciding how to treat others.

    For example, the question of whether to sign a gay couple’s marriage license, prepare their wedding cake, sell them flowers, or cater their reception answers itself, because I respect their boundaries and privacy, and realize they’re my rightful customers, not my privileged business. And since they’re my equals and their beliefs are theirs, it would be immoral for me to judge them or subject them to my own values. My morality binds me, not them.

    That last thing America needs is for us to hold each other to our own beliefs and subject each other to our own creeds’ demands.

  • Lj

    May another trillion dollar stimulus package?

    Oh….that must no have worked!

  • G Key

    Let’s not forget that running your own for-profit business is a privilege, not a right. That’s why you have to get a business license, which is granted in exchange for your agreement to follow all applicable laws — including anti-discrimination laws.

    Note that customers are free to pick and choose the businesses they patronize. (There’s no such thing as a “customer’s license”.)

    The legal remedy for a for-profit business that wants to pick and choose its customers is to convert that business into a co-op.

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  • Richard Rush

    Cruz is just what America needs to deal with the realities of both national and international issues: A president whose decision-making process is driven entirely by myths, delusions, fallacies, hallucinations, fantasies, and magical thinking.

  • Cynthia McGee

    I don’t understand why some people separate “Catholics” from “Christians.” After all, Catholics were pretty much the only Christians for some 1500 years before the protestant reformation. (And, yes, I am including the eastern orthodox religions under the “Catholic” umbrella.)

  • Paula garms

    We r all created by. The only one an true God. Creator of all an he sent his only son Jesus Christ the savior to the world an he only is the way the truth an life said his father God. An first one needs forgiveness of sin. Called born again then learn to live God’s way thru Jesus which is the word of God the. Bible an when u see u r need an accept Jesus an start living for the Lord u will hv no doubts Christ in us an then he changes ur thinking doing even looks not being conformed to this world’s standards. An it’s a privilege to Hv this an live a meaningful fruitful life. Yes praying looking to help anyone first to salvation an a need as possible that’s the love of God in ones heart. As Jesus said without me u can do nothing that’s spiritually an naturally r ways r being conformed to his, we r free to live in righteousness not sin. An it’s God’s commandments we r to obey an live by not what we think . Jesus said u shall know the truth an it shall set u free.Paula Garms…

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  • Laura

    Uh, you’re kidding right? Jesus’ Commandment: “Love your neighbor as you love yourself.” Translation for atheists : The Golden Rule

  • Cindy bruce

    Atheist max you. Cannot escape God. God has written his law on your heart

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  • Bayley

    There is a huge difference between protestants and Catholics. As a protestant, I don’t believe in the Pope or what he says. He is just a religious man. I believe in the teachings of the Bible. I don’t have to have a priest or church read and tell me what to believe. They can point to Biblical verses where I can read it myself. Another differences include Mary was the mother of Jesus. I do not worship or pray to her or her mother, Ann. Another huge difference is I do not believe in the saints. I pray to Jesus (God). I don’t pray to any saints because they are just humans who are dead. I also do not believe in statues of the virgin Mary or others. The Bible mentions no idols.

  • Joy

    We all need our living Lord and Savior, Jesus!

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  • Dan

    I don’t like people who use religious to justify their actions.

    A few years back, I discovered that a VP at a company I worked with was extremely religious. I’d worked with the man for a decade and found him to be honest, hard working, well spoken, and a good leader. Someone I respected greatly.

    I also worked with another man who wore his religion on his sleeve, constantly throwing it about, condemning others for working on sundays, telling us how a new Muslim employee was going to hell, etc…

    That experience was illuminating, because I’ve never been very religious, and found myself disgusted by the latter person, but it was the man I respected that at first confused me, and later I gained even more respect for.

    Politicians press how much more religious they are than others: BAD.

    I trust the man or woman who follows their beliefs in their hearts and minds, not thrusts them onto others or insists others’ beliefs are somehow less strong.

  • Morgan

    Michelle-

    Our founding father’s specifically wrote our governing documents to create a clear separation of Church and State. So God was never “in” America as I think you think it was.

    I think maybe you might want to worry about putting God a little closer to home. How’s your good works lately?

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  • Wise enuff to know theres is one most high GOD

    your a joke. really showing your ignorance. let me guess you are an atheist/evolutionist which there is zero evidence to support that theory…. yes theory. wheres the evidence for evolution? where is it. look into to validity of the so called evidence in the text books for your god evolution. what little they claim to have is manufactured and falsified. who believes in a fantacy now. don’t believe me instead of believing what your told how about verifying the facts for your self. So called intellectuals got to love he. just cattle following the herd. a shame.

  • Straityankee

    Atheist Max, nice try ! But as is typical of atheists, they always mis-quote. You are quoting Confiscious not Jesus! And the difference is enormous. Jesus said ” Do unto others what you would have others do unto you.” Confiscious is only self protecting. Jesus is interested in inspiring a positive action of looking out for your neighbor, family friend etc. Not thinking only of yourself. Love takes action for the benefit of others. Confiscious does not but takes a non active self preserving posture. One says do something good for another, the other says just don’t do anything bad to someone. In a pinch – I think I’d rather have Jesus around than Conficious.This is what Jefferson was talking about.