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African religious leaders reject Obama’s call to decriminalize homosexuality

Cardinal John Njue addresses journalists at a news conference in Nairobi on June 29, 2015. Religion News Service photo by Fredrick Nzwili

NAIROBI, Kenya (RNS) Religious leaders in Africa strongly rebuked President Obama’s call to decriminalize homosexuality, suggesting it’s the reason why he received a less-than-warm welcome during a recent trip to the continent.

In a news conference in Senegal during his three-nation tour, just as the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a federal ban on same-sex marriage, Obama said African nations must grant equal protection to all people regardless of their sexual orientation.

“My basic view is that regardless of race, regardless of religion, regardless of gender, regardless of sexual orientation, when it comes to how the law treats you, how the state treats you … people should be treated equally,” Obama said. “And that’s a principle that I think applies universally.”

But Obama’s words rubbed religious and political leaders the wrong way. In Senegal, the West African nation where Islam is the predominant religion, homosexuality is a crime.

Christianity and Islam are growing fast on the continent, and religious leaders in both faith communities responded with vehement denunciations.

Indeed, some clerics said Obama’s statements on gays spoiled the welcome religious leaders and their followers could have accorded the first African-American president.

“For religious leaders, in my point of view, this issue of homosexuality which he mentioned had really blocked the hospitality which the religious leaders desired to reserve for him,” said the Rev. Pierre Adama Faye, a Senegalese Lutheran leader.

Faye said he understood Obama’s remarks coming on the heels of the Supreme Court rulings. But he said Africa has its own reality, different from that of the U.S. In Senegal, churches and mosques reject the practice.

Homosexuality is illegal in 37 African countries, according to the Washington-based Council for Global Equality, and many religious leaders here view it as contrary to scriptures and custom.

Sheikh Saliou Mbacke, a Senegalese Muslim leader who coordinates the Interfaith Action for Peace in Africa, said faith leaders have the duty to speak out, especially if outside forces want to impose their will.

“The subject of homosexuality must not be used as a tool to blackmail and coerce society to defy God’s command, which is more important than any world power,” he said.  “We will oppose any manner of arm-twisting that threatens us to embrace it in our societies.”

Cardinal John Njue addresses journalists at a news conference in Nairobi on 29 June. He said we have to be proud of who we are. Photo by Fredrick Nzwili

Cardinal John Njue addresses journalists at a news conference in Nairobi on 29 June. He said we have to be proud of who we are. Photo by Fredrick Nzwili

In Nairobi, Roman Catholic Cardinal John Njue voiced similar concerns, and said Africans must be allowed to forge their own consensus on the subject.

“I think we need to act according to our own traditions and even our own faiths,” he said. “This is very important. We have to be proud of who we are.”

In Tanzania, Anglican Bishop Michael Hafidh of Dar es Salaam said religious leaders followed Obama’s tour closely and would have preferred for Obama to stick to trade and economic issues.

Homosexuality, said Hafidh, “is not an important issue for us now. We don’t recognize or even think of it, let alone its legalization. I think since we have a lot of resources, our discussions with the rest of the world should be more about investments and trade.”

The Rev.Victor Ndlovu, a Roman Catholic priest in Johannesburg, South Africa, where gay marriage is legal, said homosexuality has become a human rights issue in the West and many religious leaders are anxious about how that might affect their congregations.

“They are worried what will become of the past in which the practice has been a taboo,” he said. “In reality, it exists in Africa, but the question is what we do when a man has said he wants to marry a man. It is a delicate balance.”

According to Ndlovu, Africa needs to open discussions on the subject since there is a danger that homosexuality may become an accepted lifestyle choice if leaders let down their guard.

“Obama has raised it now, but we should find ways of dealing with it in our own settings,” Ndlovu said. “We cannot close ourselves and ignore it. It will soon explode if we don’t deal with it.”

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Fredrick Nzwili

Fredrick Nzwili is a journalist based in Nairobi, Kenya. For more than 15 years, he has written about religion, politics, peace and conflict, development, security, environment and wildlife. His articles have appeared in international media organizations among others; The Tablet, The Christian Science Monitor, The National Geographic and Kenyan local newspapers; The Standard and the People Daily.


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  • Although i do not agree with making homosexuality a crime, I would tell Obama that not every country in the world wants to promote this perverted lifestyle. Does he think he is on some sacred mission?

  • What, exactly, is perverted about it? It’s no more perverted than a straight married couple. Do you think they’re perverted, too?

  • “What’s perverted” is pretty plain. For same sex relationships the parts don’t fit. This is the physical reality of it.

  • per·ver·sion
    [per-vur-zhuhn, -shuhn] Show IPA

    1. the act of perverting.
    2. the state of being perverted.
    3. a perverted form of something.
    4. any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are generally regarded as being abnormal.
    5. Pathology . a change to what is unnatural or abnormal: a perversion of function or structure.

  • What is it about religious people that makes them so intolerant and want to control everybody else? Persecuting homosexuals benefits nobody.

  • Rofl “we have to be proud of who we are” Why would anyone want to be proud of being a close-minded, homophobic bigot?

  • There are over 1500 species with documented evidence of homosexuality. It can be described as a means to prevent overpopulation (among other explanations). “Parts don’t fit”, well, I assume you mean cannot produce children. A woman who cannot conceive is in the same predicament, then. Two gay flamingos at a zoo care for young and are accepted by their flock:

    Get with the times, your ignorant attitude is offensive.

  • You put up a dictionary definition of ‘perverted’ as if it proves something. What does it prove? Homosexuality isn’t deviant to a homosexual, it isn’t ‘abnormal’ to a happy, loving gay couple to express it sexually, anymore than it is to a happy, loving straight couple. I assume, like myself, that you are straight (though in your case, I have my doubts), so exactly how do the actions of any gay person directly affect your life? Twisting intolerant, bigotted beliefs to make them sound moral and mainstream is far more perverse.

  • Homosexuality in the bible….

    Leviticus 18:22, 20:13
    Deuteronomy 23:17
    Isaiah 3:19
    Romans 1:27-32
    1st Corinthians 6:9
    1st Timothy 1:10
    Jude 1:7

    All pretty explicit against homosexuality, even to the point of punishment by death and eternal damnation in fire. That said, the bible implies that Africans are cursed because they’re descended from Ham and Cain. It also completely allows slavery. If I were a thinking black man, the bible would not be my guide to living.

    Secular government allows people to be themselves while taking care of REAL problems like trade and infrastructure.

  • Except they do fit, and is seen in all animals across the world, and is quite natural, and benefits the species as a whole.

    Oh wait you’re a moron, carry on with your ignorance.

  • you know if religious people were paying attention to god and nature, they’d understand that it’s religious people who keep naturally having homosexual children. and, that they appear in every nation, in every culture across the world—regardless of whether they are recognized or not.

  • I realized that you left out eating of shrimp (shellfish in general) as an abomination, the rules against wearing mixed fabrics and the rules for women during that special time of the month. You also left out the bible’s approval of incest and offering up a couple of girls for rape (Lott), child murder (the flood and other storied skirmishes), genocide of an entire people (except the virgins, who were to be raped) and slavery. I’m sure you’ll understand if I laugh at the passages you quote in some poor attempt at showing some moral superiority.

  • Very sorry Greg, the bottom half of your comment wasn’t showing and I thought it was another example of superiority by bible.

  • I cannot imagine being a leader of a nation that doesn’t protect all it’s citizens. The violence perpetrated on gay people in some African countries is truly horrific and these anti homosexual laws are to blame. Religion just poisons everything it touches. We would be so much better off without it.

  • So these religious leaders in the African continent want to keep their right to discriminate and criminalize a community just for being different?

    Excuse me good sir, but I think you learned nothing from apartheid.

  • What’s more “perverted” ? Two people of the same sex showing physical love for each other or those same two people being murdered by thugs who judge that love to be offensive?

  • Your argument is self defeating. What is it about non-religious people that makes them think that they can impose their godless will on God believing people? See what I mean???

  • So, you have dirty stinky feaces in your blood do you? The sphincter muscle is not only found in your anus, you have loads of them, in your blood vessels, in your heart, all over your body in fact.

  • You’re being haughty my friend. What gives you the right to say that America’s understanding of democracy is the only way to understand this idea? If people in other countries do not believe that granting the right to men and women to marry somebody of the same gender is a question of civil rights who are you to say that they are wrong? In accusing these people of being ignorant and intolerable you commit the same error.

  • You are as ignorant about what the bible teaches as I am about rocket science. You ignore the linguistic, cultural, societal and historical context of the bible therefore you make these moronic statements about the bible.

  • Obama is a very clever gay-marriage politician, and he has succeeded in exploiting, dividing, and defeating the American clergy.

    Unfortunately for him, the African clergy can see straight through his messed-up cleverness, and they wasted no time in letting him know they weren’t impressed by his mess.

  • Intolerant of what? Hate? Bigotry? Discrimination? Oppression?

    You are free to believe whatever nonsense you want. You are free to have an imaginary friend. You are not free to expect anyone else to be equally infantile. If you, or anyone else, use your delusion to discriminate, you should expect sane people to push back.

  • Seriously – U know nothing linguistic, cultural, societal and historically about U’r buybull – lest U abandon it as a complete man-made fabrication.

  • You are free to have an imaginary friend. You are not free to expect all grown-ups to suffer from the same delusion.

  • while I may agree w/ U – there is no reason for the US to impose itself on sovereign nations. Big brother has no moral grounds for anything these days.

  • when U’r bronze aged mythology based ‘jesus’ taught to love they neighbor – did he qualify it? are there exceptions? Or are you just a pathetic religious shill using your asinine cherry-picking buybull to justify your own bigotry and hatred? U Christians are pure scum.

  • ” If people in other countries do not believe that granting the right to men and women to marry somebody of the same gender is a question of civil rights..”

    Then they don’t understand equality. It’s not a matter of “American” democracy or “African” democracy.

    It isn’t fair because it requires special pleading. It singles out a group arbitrarily and denies equal rights.

    It is the definition of unjust.

  • AIDS is the result of a virus, dumb ass.
    Humans got it from other primates by butchering them.
    Read a book.

  • Perversion: the addiction of these religious leaders to holding the power of life and death over others by claiming that God gave them the right to do so.

  • David, you truly are a dispicable person. You think it is ok for religious people to force their twisted nasty views on others and persecute gay people, but when people stand up to this persecution you claim that the religious peoples rights are being taken away? So you think religious people have a right to treat others like [expletive deleted]? If every religious person kept their religion where it belongs (in their own lives) then non-believers wouldn’t have to protect people from them. Idiot!

  • Too bloody right! These religious scumbags should be resisted at every turn until they finally learn to stop pushing their religion onto everyone else. Don’t like gay people because they go against your nasty gods commands? Fine. Just ignore them then and let them live their lives how they wish. If a religious idiot thinks that gay people are going to hell, then isn’t this punishment enough? At least let them live a happy life before god shoves them into his magic oven. What a lovely god lol

  • Well maybe you should take a leaf out of your own book and stop posting on this website. If people have no right to challenge others views, then what exactly do you think you are doing right now? Seriously. If you saw a religious person beating up a gay person in the street, would really just think “oh well it’s not my right to interfere. The religious person is just following their belief”. If you do think that then you truly are a nasty piece of work.

  • Oh wow Dpcm, have you seriously never heard of a man and woman engaging in anal sex? You do come from the same planet as the rest of us right? /facepalm

  • Dpcm. Get an education. Then talk. You’re embarrassing yourself. Seriously you are using the internet. You have all the information in the world at your disposal. You’re ignorance is unacceptable.

  • Dpcm that makes no sense at all…..which comes as no surprise. You do afterall have the worst mind-debilitating disease ever known. Religion 😉

  • “historical context”

    Yep. Think about that David. Run it over in your mind (if you can). The bible teaches nasty ridiculous stuff because of the time period it was written in. Are we still living in that time period now? No? Then why the f**k are you turning to it for guidance on how to live your life? Are you seriously that mental?

  • It isn’t imposing itself on them in this instance. It’s just simply telling those nations that they are nasty pieces of [expletive deleted]. There’s a difference. Religious people on the other hand ARE imposing themselves on other people.

    It doesn’t matter what country someone is in. Injustice is still injustice regardless. Using religion to get away with these crimes is no excuse.

  • Consider this scenario very carefully.

    Group 1 says: You must not eat chocolate cake. It is disgusting and against our traditions. If you do so, you will go to jail.

    Group 2 says: I don’t think you should be allowed to punish me for eating cake. You should tolerate my taste for cake, since after all you need not have any yourself.

    Group 1 says: No, -you’re- intolerant, for trying to deny me the right to stop you from eating cake.

    Can you see the difference? One of those groups of people is actually intolerant, and the other is just employing the schoolyard “I know you are, but what am I?” defense.

  • @David:

    No one is forcing you to *be* homosexual, or non-religious. Religious folks are trying to force homosexuals to be (at least pretend to be) heterosexual, through legislation.

    I don’t understand how you can make this comparison. There’s a big difference between demanding that you live and let live (the demand of the non-religious), and demanding that you not love whom you choose (the demand of the religious).

  • I support your right to say that gays are disgusting, or acting against nature or god’s will, although I disagree with you. I also support Sam’s right to criticize your beliefs with whatever languages he chooses. No person, religion, or political system should be free from criticism, and that is not arrogance or intolerance. (Please look up “intolerable” BTW – it is not a synonym for “intolerant”).

    However, I do not support punishing people for being gay, in Africa, North America, Europe or wherever.

  • So homosexuals act like animals? Is that really your argument?

    You guys need some better material.

  • It is commonly claimed that homosexuality is not natural, and this claim is used to justify punishing it. The point of James’ post about the homosexual behavior of animals is to disprove this claim.

    Obviously the point was not to say “animals do it, therefore it is good”. Try to keep up, ok?

  • Did you know that the same argument used to be made against oral sex, and that oral sex used to be illegal in many parts of the first world?

  • Oh I understand the reasoning but its foolish. Animals also throw their feces and eat their young. Try to keep up.

    And yes it’s unnatural. Simple biology tells us that.

    All that being said it should not be a crime and should not be a punsihable offense.

  • It’s not foolish reasoning at all and you are STILL completely missing the point. The fact that homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom and has always been around shows that it is in fact perfectly natural. Simple biology? Maybe you need to learn a little bit about it. Oh and before you make the daft claim that it’s unnatural because gay people and animals can’t reproduce (that’s what you were thinking wasn’t it), you may want to consider the fact that reproduction is no longer a neccessity on this planet. It hasn’t been for a very very long time. In fact we would all be better off if the human race stopped multiplaying at such an insane rate. The human race needs more gay people in it

  • Why do so many in favor of gay “marriage” decorate their arguments with gutter talk??? And how is gutter language used against political opponents any kind of a rational argument???? Is it because there are no rational arguments for gay “marriage” ??? Or is there a fear of rational debate because any argument in favor of gay “marriage” can be used to argue for incest, polygamy, etc. and lead society into total family and community anarchy. (And is that why so many cultures of the past which have collapsed were helped to their graves by widespread homosexual behavior? And if one comes to this conclusion after reading history and does not want to see his country or culture die, shouldn’t one oppose things like gay “marriage???.”)

  • Read these two quotes again

    me: Obviously the point was not to say “animals do it, therefore it is good”.

    your reply: Oh I understand the reasoning but its foolish. Animals also throw their feces and eat their young.

    Read it again and again, as slowly as you need to, until you get it. When you do, please submit your apology for reading my post too quickly the first time. If you don’t see it, please make another post which further exposes the fascinating workings of your mind.

  • Pathetic.
    No one is asking a religious person to be gay. They are simply asking that the law is the same for all.

    And why do religious always say their god is all powerful, but have to do violence on his behalf? If your fairytale god really doesn’t like gays, let him sort them out. You don’t need to be involved. Or is your faith to weak to test that?

  • As a Christian I am required to put God’s law before man’s law. The Word of God clearly states that homosexuality between the same sexes is an abomination and a grevious sin. I do not want to persecute them, I just want them (if that is the life they choose to live) to crawl back into the hole they came out of and to stop FORCING the rest of society to except their degenerate life. Homosexuality while unenforceable within the confines of a persons living quarters should be a crime when publically displayed in front of my children. The trash that they do now in public is a crime.

  • How do you explain the violence displayed by the degenerate homosexuals who attached the street preachers the other day at that rally. You are all alike, you demand tolerence but refuse to give the same. Those preachers had the right to stand up and say that what you are doing is wrong and you in turn, beat them. You stand up and say that what you are doing is right and if someone beats you they should be jailed. I for one am sick of your double standard.

  • Amazing when someone accuses someone else of missing the point while they miss the point entirely. Deception runs deep.



  • nobody has a right to violate Yahweh’s law. (Yahweh is the name of the living and true God who created all things.) Let it be settled once and for all, Jesus Christ is the Prince of the kings of the earth, without apology.

  • “Religion” is like a tarbaby. It is unescapable. All people are constitutionaly “religeous.” The word comes from the latin, which means “to bind.” Everyone is bound to a worldview, which consists of a set of nonnegotiable presuppositions. These religions are at the root of shaping world history and current events

    That said, it is not a question of religeous or non-religeous, it is a question of which religion. Is it biblical Christianity or rebellion against Christ and His kingdom. There is no “neutrality.” There is your “fairytale.”

    Now, let’s get real. Let us receive Jesus Christ as Savior and king of our lives and cultures. There is no other hope.

  • Times change with the fickleness of the minds of fallen men. God’s moral and civil law is tethered to the unchanginging God who gave them. Any other view is tantamount to standing in a bucket and lifting yourself by the handle.

  • I personally do not want homosexuals to get married. I personally dont like that homosexuals think that there is nothing wrong with being a homosexual. If a person craves sexual interaction with the same sex , then even scientifically, it defies the laws of nature. Because ones mind desires to act in a way that the body is not designed to accommodate. We are not designed to have same sex. Take religion out of it, still is nothing right about wanting to do something that is abnormal. I dont have children but if I did, I would not want them to go to public school, and be forced to embrace a behavior publicly that I would teach them at home is wrong. But I also would not teach my children to bully, harass, or even protest against homosexuals. I dont hate homosexuals at all. Im not even angry with them. Its really pointless to be. I stated in another post that religion is corrupt anyway. And so is the foundation of America. Its never been morally sound and our forefathers were never real Christians. They left the Old World to escape religious persecution so they live their own version of religious persecution. Yes according to the Bible, homosexuality identified as a sin that was in ancient times, was practiced to worship false gods which was the reason for God targeting Sodom and Gomorrah. And God hates false worship above all other sin. But one cannot simply use religion to argue against homosexual rights. Because its still hypocrisy. People on both sides need to realize this: This is a political matter and it always has been. Slaves were not freed just because some political leader saw that it was morally wrong to have slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation bankrupted the South and forced them to submit to the will of the North. Civil rights movement too. The Montgomery Bus Boycott movement nearly bankrupted the bus system, because more blacks rode the bus than whites. As was when Constantine made Christianity the official religion of Rome but not before allowing the church to corrupt it by combining it with pagan practices so that pagans would provide additional financial support. People were not given freedom or social acceptance based on moral or religious reasons. Dont be fooled for one moment into thinking that your government is more compassionate than some African country because it allows gay marriage. Politics is power. It generates money. Money from the people to have power over the people. Its always been about MONEY. The church no longer has the political clout it once did to help the government make money. Which also explains why some churches are changing their rules to allow homosexuals into the church. Even in the eyes of God they continue to do evil. If homosexuals do not get the right to marry, eventually its going to cost somebody money. The love of money is the root of all evil.

  • Question: What’s more perverted? A or B?
    Frank’s Answer: both.

    Oh, please keep them coming! This is great!

  • Um… Jerry… you realize that the poster didn’t beat anyone, right?
    It’s only a double standard if he thinks the protesters were right to beat people for their views. You imagined that.

  • “Gay Flamingos”?!
    A cursed world should not dictate our morality. God, the Author of morality, has the sole authority to dictate how mankind should live.
    Many animals are also known to rape, murder, steal, and cannibalize their own kind. If it is okay for humans to engage in homosexual acts because some animals do it, then by that same reasoning, it should be okay for humans to rape, murder, steal, and cannibalize.

  • The argument that those who believe homosexuality is morally wrong because of the prohibition in Leviticus must therefore also practice the ceremonial and civil prohibitions concerning foods, uncleanness, mixed crops and clothes fibers; show an ignorance of hermeneutics – proper scriptural interpretation.
    “Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
    Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.” 2 Peter 3

  • Hey Deke,

    Did you know that this precise argument was used in the past to justify outlawing oral sex? Are you also against oral sex between heterosexuals? It’s pretty ordinary behavior nowadays. And rather pleasant too. I recommend it for you and your wife. But you don’t have to if you think it will lead to the destruction of the very fabric of our society.

  • @Jim Harrison:

    Actually, I’ve carefully studied all religions of the world, and the conclusion is inescapable. All the evidence points to Zoroastrianism. You would agree, if only you had heard the voice of Zarathustra, as I have, and let him into your heart.

    Being serious again for a minute – how do you imagine that what you wrote would convince anyone that Christianity is true, while the other religions are false? You stated it very firmly, but I see nothing but claims claims and more claims.

  • How do you know?

    Try to view the question from the point of view of a well-read, well-travelled outsider, who is familiar with history, science and many cultures.

  • Something to think about —

    The word sin and it’s meaning is difficult to make. It’s not clear what it is, if it can be said that way. That will sound unusual of course to some. But let’s look at it this way — Jesus seldom mentions the word and almost never refers to it. Maybe about a dozen times or so.

    I think the basic definition of “sin” is that it is the breaking of God’s law. But what is God’s law ? Where is this law listed ? Is it taught in the NT ? I never read anything about it in the NT.

    I think the word sin is thrown around too much and is erroneously attached to things that it shouldn’t be.

    Habit will do that.

    Perhaps we need to get some new habits.

    If sin is really important to some, then consider it in the following manner —

    Expressions such as “sin” or “abomination” will eventually be replaced by expressions like “love hides a multitude of sins” or “love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins” .

    And while we’re at it, why not describe Gay stuff as “all things are allowable, lawful and permissible”.

    Gay and Lesbian issues are deserving of something far far better than what religious conservatives say.


  • Here’s how all gays and lesbians and transgender folks should be treated —

    1. Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way……….Romans 14:13

    2. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God……….Romans 15:7

    3. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love……….Ephesians 4:2

    4. Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble………1 Peter 3:8

    5. Man’s ways are of the Lord,………….Proverbs 20:24

    6. You may believe there’s nothing wrong with what you are doing or how you feel about yourself, so keep it between yourself and God.
    BLESSED are those who don’t feel guilty for doing something or thinking of themselves in the way they know is best………..Romans 14:22

    7. All things are allowable, all things are lawful, all things are permissible……….1 Corinthians 6:12…….1 Corinthians 10:23

    8. And don’t forget what Jesus said, “The Spirit of God or the Holy Spirit will lead and guide us into the future…….John 16:13

    9. The NT says that God has given every man a measure of faith.

    10. The Holy Spirit is helping LGBT’s navigate our lives in this world today using that very faith.


  • Here are a few things to consider —

    Our Bible, as all holy text, has its limitations.

    Paul put it this way —

    “ The Kingdom of God is not in “ word ” (that means scripture verse), but “ POWER ” (that means, at least, the loving and protecting divine presence in all of us, especially those that believe)………….it’s not food and drink but “ righteousness ” (that means doing good works and deeds) and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit ”.

    The Bible doesn’t determine what the Holy Spirit does and the Spirit doesn’t consult what is written down as it goes about its work.

    Can’t we say that the Holy Spirit will lead and guide us and show us all good and truthful things we need to know ?

    Isn’t that our authority, being led and moved by the Spirit, to review things that are known to make sure they are important and meaningful ?

    Scripture verses are not equal.

    Some verses are more important than others.

    All holy books have their cobwebs and hype and immature or dumb wording.

    It is written that scripture is inspired, but that doesn’t mean that scripture is complete, concise, without issues, applicable to all, of a single interpretation or with excellent clarity.

    Surely we must rely on the leading of the Holy Spirit.


  • Pellmore,
    Once you realize that I don’t agree with what you’re saying I would ask that you continue to read anyway and not close your mind off to what I’m saying. The controversy over homosexuality will continue no matter how many times we insult those of the opposing party. All I would like to note is the fact that science, by the mere nature of it, cannot disprove that their is a God, nor can history or differences in culture.

  • Homosexuality is the after effect of a morally fallen generation. Just look at history how when a nation established itself financially that it started endorsing all kinds of evil practices, for example the Roman empire. Rome had bath houses and many holidays and the colosseum where they became “entertainment mongers” and that is what is happening with America. They are a fallen nation – morally. Even Europe is following the same trend, they are heading towards a great fall. When a nation forgets God and start living for pleasure it start it’s on a downward spiral…

  • Oh wow! I had forgotten to check back on this one. I’m glad I did as it was pretty funny. Frank STILL doesn’t get it even when it is all laid out for him. Amazing! Thanks for posting that in the format that you did Pellmore Richardson. That was a really good attempt at trying to make the penny drop for him, but clearly some people hold onto their ignorance with incredible levels of stubbornness. I guess all you can do is chip away and hope that he and others like him will change over time. If I just simply say “homosexuality continually occurs in all animals including us, so it is clearly a natural phenomenon” would that get it across? Nahhh who am I kidding 😉

  • That’s not a response. The bible is the source of peoples ignorance and their anti-gay sentiments. It is the very book that the African religious leaders are using to make life hell for homosexuals, so all you are doing is just repeating the same nonsense that is causing the persecution. That makes no sense. Put the silly book of fairy tales written by homophobic lunatics to one side and study the real world instead.

  • “As a Christian I am required to put God’s law before man’s law”

    Spoken like a true unthinking slave. Yes so they thought homosexuality was evil thousands of years ago. They also made blood sacrifices to God too. When did you make your last sacrifice? Sorry we don’t live in that time period any more. Do you also worry about boiling a baby goat in its mothers milk or executing people who work on a Sunday? You’re referring to ancient desert tribesman as your source of inspiration. That’s really not good……and you only adhere to the bits that support your own hatred of gay people anyway. The real tragedy though is that you pass your hatred onto your kids. Children don’t care about seeing gay people together. It’s only twisted adults like yourself that are bothered about it.

  • Caleb. Science also can’t disprove unicorns or anything else that doesn’t exist. If a person makes a claim that something exists, and they then fail to back that up with any kind of evidence at all, then it’s perfectly reasonable to think they are talking crap. Sure I can contemplate the existence of a god. I can also contemplate the existence of fairies, unicorns, invisible giant squids, goblins, three headed sponge beasts and anything else the mind can conjure up. None of those things should be taken seriously though. They might exist but there is no reason at all to think that they actually do. If I claimed that the main reason everyone should accept gay people is because the Invisible Pink Unicorn says so, are you going to respect my view and consider it as a viable reason?

  • Do you know what one of the most frightening things is that a non-believer can hear from a religious person? It’s when they say that morality comes from God, and that without it they see no reason at all to not rape, murder, steal and…!) people. It reminds us that many devoutly religious people have no innate understanding of what good morals are. They don’t act civilised because they want to. They do it because their god commands it.

    I truly hope that you never lose your faith in God, if that is the only thing preventing you from acting like a psychopath.

    You’re also totally missing the point regarding the gay flamingos, but it seems that a lot of religious people here are having this problem. No-one is saying “look animals do it so it’s ok”. What in fact is being said is “homosexuality doesn’t just occur in humans. It occurs in other races too and it keeps reoccurring. Therefore the logical conclusion is that it is perfectly natural. It’s not a behavioural choice. It’s naturally how some animals and humans are born”.

    Of course I don’t really expect you to ever truly grasp this concept, as you’re mindset has been warped by religion to merely follow orders.

  • You have the freedom to do or not do what you like Frank. You do NOT have the right to make those choices for other people. There are billions of us on this planet and each and every one of us sees life in our own particular way. You should try and remember that. It is one of the steps towards being a good person.

  • Africa as a continent we homour the power of God, not every laws apply to every country’s, as an African we wasn’t brought out with such a behaviour been a homosexual, we as african will support something beneficiary in African country’s, not something that will take the fear of God away us.