Former Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson speaks at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland on July 19, 2016. REUTERS/Mike Segar - RTSIS4P

Ben Carson tries to link Hillary Clinton to the devil

(RNS) Does Hillary Clinton really love a lover of Lucifer?

Ben Carson seemed to hope his listeners would think so, after he delivered perhaps the most memorable lines at the Republican National Convention on Tuesday (July 19).

He dropped "the atomic bomb of moral judgment," said Richard Beck, a professor at Abilene Christian University in Texas who has written a book on how Christians view the devil.

Around the nation, there was a lot of "what did Carson just say?" Even some fans of the failed GOP presidential candidate -- and Clinton foes -- raised eyebrows. Others were simply flabbergasted.

To sum up, Carson said that Clinton considers the left-wing activist Saul Alinsky a hero, and that Alinsky "acknowledges" Lucifer. Carson seemed to imply that this acknowledgment equated to an admiration of the devil and that Clinton had chosen a despicable mentor for herself.

Richard Beck, a professor at Abilene Christian University in Texas who has written a book on how Christians view the devil. Photo courtesy of Jana Beck

Richard Beck, a professor at Abilene Christian University in Texas who has written a book on how Christians view the devil. Photo courtesy of Jana Beck


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Carson's comments were startling, Beck said.

"Whenever you evoke Lucifer in a culture which is largely Western and secularized, and where we don't have a lot of room to talk about the devil, it gets a huge reaction," he said.

"It suggests that the Prince of Darkness still has a hold over our collective imaginations."

Beck sees Carson's invocation of Lucifer as a misuse of devil language that speaks to Christians' "lost vision of how Jesus saw his battle with Satan." In Beck's eyes, that's a fight to spread God's love to defeat the devil's hate and war.

Devil references should not get pinned on political foes, he continued, but should instead be reserved "for some of the worst ... from ISIS beheading people to Hitler."

So did Alinsky align himself with the devil?

The Chicago-based community organizer, who died in 1972, was known for his in-your-face but nonviolent tactics and was a hero to many liberals for his work on behalf of the poor. (The facts bear out that Clinton is an Alinsky fan and that she wrote her senior thesis in college about him. But they also show that as a young woman she turned down a job he offered her and that she much preferred to work within the system than embrace his radical approach.)

Here's how Carson tried to connect Alinsky -- and by extension, Clinton -- to the devil.

"He wrote a book called 'Rules for Radicals,'" Carson said of Alinsky.

"It acknowledges Lucifer, the original radical who gained his own kingdom. Now think about that. This is our nation where our founding document, the Declaration of Independence, talks about certain inalienable rights that come from our creator, a nation where our Pledge of Allegiance says we are ‘one nation under God.’ This is a nation where every coin in our pockets and every bill in our wallet says, ‘In God We Trust.’

"So are we willing to elect someone as president who has as their role model somebody who acknowledges Lucifer?" Carson asks the GOP crowd. "Think about that."

Clinton foes on social media seemed to enjoy Carson's comments.

But other commentators pointed out that the tough-talking Alinsky, though he made references to the devil and himself as outsiders, did not do so to indicate any love of evil, but rather to show the efficacy of working outside the system. The "Lucifer" reference to which Carson referred is one of three short quotes Alinsky placed at the beginning of "Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals."

Here is what the activist had to say about the devil in the opening of his last book:

"Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom - Lucifer."

What about the other two epigraphs in his primer? Alinsky acknowledged Rabbi Hillel and Thomas Paine.

Politifact, the website that fact-checks politicians' statements, concluded of Alinsky's devil reference:

"The epigraph strikes us as more of a provocative literary comment rather than direct advocacy for satanism. Alinsky seems to be acknowledging Lucifer only in a figurative sense, rather than a religious or devotional sense."

Comments

  1. A man who believes in a literal devil that has congress with humans wanted to be president. And yet he supports a figurative devil who has congress with humans.
    America. huzzah.

  2. Ben Carson is the GOP answer to Rain Man.

    What kind of high grade pharmaceutical products were people taking when they considered him a viable candidate for president. The guy can’t make a public appearance without appearing foolish. It speaks far worse for republicans as a whole than Ben. Who is the greater fool one who leads or those who follow him?

  3. Now why should people fear Satan? Who in the Bible destroyed the world because he was annoyed? It wasn’t Satan.

    Who promises punishment and divine wrath for even the slightest prevarication? Its not Satan.

    Who speaks of personal liberty and freedom from divine slavery and compulsive acts of fealty and devotion.

    Satan.

    BTW Hillary would be far more interesting if she really was a satanist.

  4. You have to try to link her to the devil? If you are still trying, jeepers, have you ever looked at her? She wants Christians to change their Bible for her!

  5. Exactly! If I were somehow forced to feign worship of God or Satan, I would immediately choose Satan.

    The Bible “documents” that God killed about 2,500,000 people, and Satan killed about 10. If we try to estimate the additional killings that are not “documented” with specific numbers, then God’s killings zoom to about 25,000,000 while Satan’s killings zoom to about 60. And, even in modern times, it is Satan who is behind the advancement of LGBT rights, and many other worthy causes.

    It’s no contest. God is an egotistical barbaric genocidal maniac, whereas Satan is a progressive liberal with much higher standards of decency.

    If you look up the symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, it seems to describe God pretty well, and probably Donald Trump, too: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20025568

  6. Ah, but that’s the nice thing about Dr. Carson. You see Spuddie, Carson is not even considered a viable 2020 contender at all, so now he doesn’t have to appease the atheists, libbies, and PC fascists anymore.

    Now, Carson is free, and now he can flat-out afford to tell the total truth about Lucifer — sorry, I mean the total truth about HILLARY !!!

  7. Carson isn’t a viable candidate for a condo association member, let alone political office.

    ” he doesn’t have to appease the atheists, libbies, and PC fascists anymore.”

    Coherence and intelligent discussion is for the weak!! Bring on the crazy talk!

    “Now, Carson is free, and now he can flat-out afford to tell the total truth about Lucifer”

    Carson at least has an excuse that he may be dipping into the hospital pharmaceutical dispensary to self medicate. I don’t know what yours may be.

  8. The best part is that Hillary herself has spent her entire political life providing ammunition for Carson’s commentary .

  9. Are you sure we are talking about the same guy here?

    You envision a level of competence, clarity, and coherence in Carson that is not reflected in reality. Seek help!

  10. If Hillary is a Satanist because of her link to Saul Alinsky, who briefly “acknowledged” Lucifer as the original rebel, then what are we to make of John Milton, who wrote Paradise Lost, which portrays a rebellious Lucifer as a protagonist? I mean … seriously!?

  11. Re: “You see Spuddie, Carson is not even considered a viable 2020 contender at all, so now he doesn’t have to appease the atheists, libbies, and PC fascists anymore.”

    Back when he was still in the running in the primary, he never showed any particular proclivity for “appeasing” atheists or any of the rest of your bogeymen. He also didn’t show any particular proclivity for any kind of rational thought (e.g. his B.S. about the pyramids having been grain warehouses built by Joseph son of Jacob/Israel). He might have been a great surgeon, but it’s clear that sanity and fact no longer have a place in Carson’s life.

  12. “She wants Christians to change their Bible for her!”

    I am going to refrain from commenting on the silliness of this statement. I just don’t want to know what is going on in your head.

  13. Christians are changing their bibles, and have been for 1900 years, and believe me, it has nothing to do with Mrs. Clinton.

  14. So Donald Trump is The Second Coming??? Carson’s poisonous rhetoric goes to show how extreme some people who call themselves Republicans are getting. Actually, he subscribes to the Tea Party. I have read his books. You cannot “Make America Great Again” by being haters, people.

  15. Hillary Clinton’s husband Bill has been accused of multiple rapes. Can you please explain to me how she has no connections to the Devil? Surely the Clinton’s aren’t pro-God with their views on rape and abortion.

  16. Ben is confused. Its Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church that are the followers of Lucifer.

  17. She read a book as a Freshman in college that acknowledged Lucifer (for being a non-conformist) and he says that ties her to the Devil!!!!! This is turning into mob madness really in the 21st century? It looks like a 17th century witch hunt!!! Like something from the Grand Inquisition of the 1490s! He explained on CNN that even though he himself can’t be held responsible for what he said and did 40 years ago, she is accountable since she evidently serves the devil today by supporting Rowe Vs. Wade (which he calls ‘killing babies’) and allowing same sex marriages (which he refers to as supporting unnatural marital relations) all basically things which are US Law and supported by very famous U.S. Supreme Court decisions. What year is he living in? He is still living mentally in that dark time of superstition and beliefs in demons and deities and all kinds of vampires in between? I guess so. What a clown.

  18. I think you may be the one that’s confused. It’s the entire world, wherever religion fornicates with the state to extend the power, Money, and dominion of both, that are the followers of lucifer.

    Except that lucifer most likely doesnt exist.

  19. Your mother is calling. Hope I didn’t interrupt your fornicating.

  20. I sleep with neither church nor state.

    You don’t know where they’ve been.

  21. Calling your mother and sister “church and state” , is a little too kinky for most of us comrade.

  22. Carson was never a viable 2016 contender either and he certainly wasn’t trying to appease the left. He was a flavor-of-the-month, this year’s Herman Cain. Don’t you get tired of the tokenism every time?
    If Carson is truly free now, he should be standing up to Trump’s insinuation during the primaries that Carson was a member of a cult. You’d also think that being in a minority religion would make someone hesistant to cavalierly call someone else a devil-worshipper (many have claimed Carson’s Seventh-day Adventism is exactly that), but apparently he’s more interested in a cabinet position.

  23. There is a sentiment by some at the RNC that Hillary ought to be killed. That needs to be stopped and publicly denounced by every speaker. There is enough crazy there that some might try.

    In the meantime, as Sharee Shandon tweeted and he himself has repeatedly shown, Ben Carson is Nuts!

  24. No they aren’t and no they haven’t. Where do you get all this trash from. Jeepers!

  25. If only nutters like Ben “The Pyramids Were Built To Store Grain” Carson and other bible-thumpers had some sort of friend they could pray to make everything come out the way they want . . . you know – like when they prayed to their friend to turn the Supreme Court against gay marriage. And to cause Congress to defund Planned Parenthood. Come to think of it, this friend of theirs never seems to do anything the nasty christians want . . . it seems like at some point the kooks would get the hint.

  26. christians SHOULD change their book – or at least, stick in a “just kidding” after all the failed prophecies by Jesus of an imminent kingdom, and after Paul’s failed predictions to the Thessalonians that Jesus would be back in Paul’s lifetime, and so forth and so on and on and on. Also, what about that bit where a non-virgin daughter must be stoned (and not the fun kind)? Are christians still pushing that?

  27. Jude 1:17-19King James Version (KJV)

    17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

    18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

    19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

  28. How are his comments startling if they’re true? Enough! He is courageous!

  29. Do try reading the article. It always helps, when commenting, to have actually read the thing. You can do it. I know you can.

  30. RNS seems to attract an awful lot of atheists. I wonder why that is? Is it because RNS is funded by Arcus group, a gay promotion group? Is it because their former editor is gay? Is there a connection?

  31. Oh my God! Sharee somebody who I never heard of tweeted something! The world must stop in awe!

  32. Why are atheists such ignorant fools? Why do they insist on displaying their woeful ignorance to the entire world?

  33. Lot of Satan worshippers here at RNS. I wonder why that is?

  34. Not at all. If I was I would also throw in some silly comment about our president as well. Racists love pretending that sort of thing is just “political dissent” and not just expressions of prejudice.

    Ben Carson’s race has nothing to do with his incoherent public speaking, factual gaffes, and bizarre behavior. Nor the fact that his skill and savant attitude in an operating room is contrasted by a complete ineptitude as a public figure. Ben Carson couldn’t even generate much enthusiasm from the black community (or anyone for that matter).

    I gave you far too lengthy a response to such a terse, nonsense response.

  35. All the cool people hang out with Satan. His followers are much less obnoxious than their counterparts. Satanists are a harmless bunch. People killed by Satan worshipers number barely into double digits if you count a bunch of wackadoodle serial killers. People killed by God worshipers number in the millions, possibly billions by now.

  36. And a lot of nutjobs and trolls. You are in good company.

  37. Comrade, you have done well in your online trolling. You may pick up your check and bottle of vodka at the usual spot.

  38. Are you in line for the weekly who will bend over in front of Putin contest? What will you be wearing comrade?

  39. You too! That’s great. I will be wearing a hat with a feather in it. I will meet you there.

  40. Unfortunately I’m not of Russian vermin descent so I don’t swing that way. But you Russian men enjoy

  41. You say no now. But your prior posts said yes. 🙂

  42. I figured you swing that way. Make sure you use the proper washroom in public

  43. I’m guessing HIllary didn’t align herself with Lucifer – but with being part of a revolution back then – Who is she currently reading? What ideology is she expressing now? That was how many years ago? Look at the other people Alinsky quoted . . . he was talking about different methodologies in that book. Quite frankly I am sick of politicians who through these religious attacks upon opponents. Ben Carson is an intelligent man, but this is disappointing to see him stoop to this kind of rhetoric . . .

  44. Careful there – one of our most important Founding Fathers, Thomas Paine, had this so say about pagan christianity and its worship of a man-god:

    “the Bible and the Testament are impositions upon the world, . . .the fall of man, the account of Jesus Christ being the Son of God, and of his dying to appease the wrath of God, and of salvation, by that strange means, are all fabulous inventions, dishonorable to the wisdom and power of the Almighty; that the only true religion is Deism . . . .”

  45. I wouldn’t go bad-mouthing the gay community, given that the christian god blessed gay marriage when he denied the prayers of all the nasty christians to turn the Supreme Court against it. As professional christian bible-thumper Franklin Graham said in a November 17, 2015 FB and twitter post:

    “Does God hear prayers? Does God answer prayers? The answer is yes—absolutely! He does not necessarily answer prayer according to our desires or wishes, though. That’s why it is important for us to pray for His will to be done.”
    There ya’ go! If a christian prays for something and it doesn’t happen, that means his/her prayer has been DENIED.
    If you want to dispute with your pal Frank that the christian god answers prayers, but doesn’t always give the answer wanted, you’ll need to take it up with him.

  46. By the way – prove to me that Santa Claus doesn’t exist.

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