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Founder of nation’s largest Christian music festival charged with child molestation

Pastor Harry Thomas, co-founder of Creation Fest, listens to a speaker in this file photo from 2011. Photo courtesy of LNP Media Group

(RNS) — The founder of Creation Festival — the nation’s largest Christian music festival — has been “indefinitely suspended” from the ministry and his position as pastor of his New Jersey church after he was arrested on charges of child molestation.

Harry L. Thomas, 74, was charged Wednesday (Dec. 6) with sexually assaulting four minors “over a lengthy period of time ending two years ago,” according to the Burlington County Prosecutor’s Office. The charges include one count of aggravated sexual assault, three counts of sexual assault and four counts of endangering the welfare of children.

Those alleged assaults occurred over a 16-year period between 1999 and 2015 in Medford Township, N.J., where Thomas lives, according to the prosecutor’s office. His church — Come Alive New Testament Church, which has been described as charismatic — also is in Medford Township.

The prosecutor’s office did not name the victims or detail the assaults, but Come Alive said the allegations are “unrelated” to the pastor’s roles at the church or its ministries, including Creation Festival, according to a post on its website. Its leadership is “actively cooperating” with authorities, it said.

A similar message was posted Friday on the Creation Festival website and Facebook page.

Thomas was criticized previously at a 2014 congressional hearing for his advocacy on behalf of a couple from his church who were accused of starving four foster children, according to New Jersey’s Courier Post.

The former disc jockey-turned-pastor founded Creation Festival in 1979 after he had a vision of “thousands of kids on a hillside,” he told RNS as the festival celebrated its 25th anniversary. It grew from attracting 5,000 people to a park in Lancaster, Pa., that first year, to annual, multi-day events in both Pennsylvania and Washington state.

The two festivals, Creation Northeast and Creation Northwest, draw up to 100,000 attendees a year, according to Christianity Today. Creation Northeast brought more than 75 Christian speakers and musical artists to central Pennsylvania in June 2017, including popular musicians Crowder, Casting Crowns, Relient K, Sho Baraka, TobyMac and For King and Country.

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Emily McFarlan Miller

Emily McFarlan Miller is a national reporter for RNS based in Chicago. She covers evangelical and mainline Protestant Christianity.

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  • as atrocious as hurting a child is, this just shows the liberals don’t hold the corner on the market when it comes to hurting children and that we are all indeed sinners in need of a Saviour.

  • Just goes to show you that Christians aren’t any different than the heathen. They poop, they divorce, they lie, they molest. The invisible sky God doesn’t make them any different.

  • “liberals don’t hold the corner on the market when it comes to hurting children” Seriously? You ignorant arse. The overwhelming majority of cases that involve hurting minors are perpetrated by so called christians and conservatives. Your statement is just #clueless.

  • But he’s a bible believing christian who has accepted jesus as his savior. He’s a heterosexual. He has morals because god gives people morals. Thoughts! And prayers! Besides jesus has forgiven him.

    Did i leave anything out?

  • Oh honey, there are more children hurt by the new morality than probably all of the children molested by the RCC (and I don’t deny that is a lot) – and nothing justifies it whatsoever.
    Our culture (with the extreme liberals) is teaching children that immorality is good, when all they are really accomplishing is putting themselves and the children in Hell. That, is hurting children more than anything else can. No wonder Christ taught:
    Matthew 18:6 – English Standard Version
    …but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

  • Dick, Christians are probably not much different, although some of us aim to a higher standard, we often fail.
    The only difference between heathen and Christians is, Christians are forgiven and will spend eternity with Christ. We all know where the heathens go.

  • Donald Trump, Roy Moore, etc., etc,….seems YOUR side has market in kiddie-diddling cornered. The “savior” has nothing to do with it.

  • Maybe, but we aren’t teaching children that things that will put them in to Hell, is good. As horriffic as child abuse is, and it is……Hell will be much worse.

  • No God, no Hell, enough with your myths and fairy-tales. You want to have “faith”? Fine. Keep it to yourself and stay the hell out of public policy. oh and stay the f**k out of everybody else’s bedrooms.

  • Myth. Absolutely zero proof that your fairy tale carpenter existed. Your so-called God is on the same shelf as the Roman & Greek Gods of mythology. You people are dangerous to the development of the human species as you believe in bronze age myths written by a bunch of sheep herding goat f**kers. You’re just another delusional christian troll.

  • NO – What they are being taught won’t put them in hell – that would be done by the being that you think made them. Made them knowing that he would put them there – a being who loves them, wants the best for them, killed his own son for them, needs their money and will dump them as soon as he tires of them.

    That’s what you actually believe,

    I understand why the enormity of it prevents you accepting it but there it is – your loving god is the one who makes the rules and chooses whether to apply them – nothing you, I or anyone else can do would be able to counteract that.

    Fortunately your conviction is so rationally impossible that we may all reject it out-of-hand and get on with living our lives free of superstition and childish pretence.

  • Couldn’t have said it better.

    They make up their own savior.
    Then claim their own made-up savior will love and forgive them for whatever they do.
    So then they can get away with whatever they do because Jebus.

    When in fact the REAL savior is Priapus.

    Bring lube

  • You rape. Every time you vote for trump, you deny children of food, medical care, and house.

    You rape. Every time you donate to a church that covers for it’s molesting employees and keep them from the law you enable pedophiles.

    You rape. Every time you make excuses for pedophile politicians who vote the way you want and don’t call them out and vote for them again.

    You rape. And you already know this. And you don’t care.

    Because you’ll rape again.

  • That “stupid, bigoted, homicidal god” loves you so much He died for you, so that you can spend eternity with Him. He’ll prove Himself to you one day.

  • I didn’t vote for trump. We don’t have employees who are molesting anyone. There are always, at least, two people when children are around to keep everyone protected. I know of no pedophile politicians
    Have you been raped Todd? Has someone hurt you in that manner?

  • If it, and your god, existed it would be. Your god’s.

    It cannot be otherwise.

    Your god

    1 – made each of us without seeking our consent. – its choice.
    2 – knew before he made us whether we would go to heaven or hell – and still made those who would be hell bound. – its choice.
    3 – made up its own set of rules which we were to observe – its choice.
    4 – applied those rules without our consent. – its choice
    5 – created, or allowed the creation, of hell rather than oblivion/rehabilitation etc.. – its choice
    6 – failed to communicate effectively its Ts & Cs of attaining heaven. – its choice.
    7 – Had its own son murdered to try to redeem its own failings – its choice
    8 – Hides from us and blames us for not finding him – his choice
    9 – gave us the ability to seek reason, evidence and clarity whilst failing to provide same – its choice

    The god you believe in is petty, irrational, wicked and, fortunately, non-existent.

  • Isn’t it odd that Christian churches have to staff an extra person to protect (stop) the would-be pedophiles from assaulting children. Last year the average was seventy (70) reports every week of children and young folks being assaulted on church campuses. (Haven’t checked this years’ stats yet.)

  • They are terrible stat, any of them.
    The people used for protection are not hired, they are volunteers.

  • John 15:18 – English Standard Version

    “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.

  • He is 74 years old — wonder how many that we don’t know about were abused over the years. A church is the perfect camouflage for a predator. Ahh…but he is forgiven by a fantasy god…but he shouldn’t be by everybody else!

    And another less horrific sin is his Christian music, especially Christian rock. Pale in comparison to child sex abuse…but still sucks.

  • Actually child protection programs in churches are to protect both the child and the adults. Children from being mistreated and adults from being misunderstood or falsely accused.

  • You would think church campuses would be the safest places for children to be, when actually they have more sexual assaults than schools.

  • Only one thing you left out. After you, me, and Harry Thomas die, we will all respectively stand before God by ourselves, individually, and give an account. (Heb. 9:27, Rom. 14:12)

    I won’t be able to hide behind Ben, when the time comes.
    And Ben won’t be able to hide behind Harry Thomas, when the time comes.

    (And one thing is certain: the time is coming.)

  • Sandinwindsor’s pathetic history of comments has made very clear that there isn’t an ounce of intelligence or decency to be found in that noggin of hers. Trying to use even the most basic amount of rational discourse with her is about as productive as training a rhesus monkey to perform ‘Hamlet’.

  • You people keep drinking that kool-aid and evading personal responsibility & accountability with your fairy tale god

  • Hey, Ben. The moment I heard that from him, I thought: He’s just recalling that beautiful Coke commercial with all those people on a hill singing, “I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony…”

  • Slander and reviling from a good Christian. Quelle surprise.

    One of the reasons that child molestation persists is that aholes like you persist in blaming innocent gay people for the sins of others….

    …As anyone who knows anything about the subject knows, but whom bible believing Christians, wallowing in ignorance and bile, cannot seem to understand.

    But nice try. Be sure you repent of your slander andvreviling, because jesus will surely deny you the kingdom of heaven,

  • I asked you a very reasonable question about your divorce from your first husband and your daughter telling you that she was gay. Funny how that all works, isn’t it?

  • noooooo, it wasn’t supposed to be my daughter, it was supposed to be my first husband…..jeepers, Ben, if you’re going to start rumours about me, at least remain consistent.

  • perhaps, but it still does not mean that I don’t see you clearly. After all, you are the one here trying to push immorality. Just goes along with immorality.

  • Honey, you see nothing clearly, if your hand were in front of your face, you would just try to convince yourself that it wasn’t your foot in you mouth.

    BTW, are you going to answer my question about your first husband and your daughter telling you to bug off?

  • Nope, you corrected that part. But there is no reason for it not to be both. Your first husband and you split, possibly, as I noted, because he was gay. And your daughter left becuase she was. No inconsistency required.

    You could settle the matter once and for all by swearing to jEsus that you have only been married once, and that your daughter didn’t come out as gay, thereby igniting yourvicious vendetta against gay people.

  • there’s the rumour you were trying to start……odd, how to make something filthy about me, that you made one of the characters a homosexual…things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm.

  • Nope. Not trying to start a rumor, merely pointing out what happens when you put together all of the known facts. Straight from the horse’s, uummmm, mouth.

    Starting a rumor would be what you did, trying to connect me with having sex with animals. Also slander and reviling.

    Meanwhile, all you would need to do is deny categorically what I inferred from your many comments. “no, I was never married before my current husband.” “No, my daughter isn’t gay.” No weaselling on the last comment. Not even to yourself.

    But you don’t seem to want to do that, do you? It explains so much about you.

  • The nice thing is, it’s extremely funny watching you trying to say something filthy about me and including a homosexual to do so. Thanks for the laugh.

  • Another ignorant christofacist Hopefully Darwin’s theory has a third act where your kind are bred out of the human species

  • Yup- you’re a bigoted hater. Time to get educated. Nearly 89% of child molesters identify as heterosexual according to the FBI and the CDC along with other experts.

  • David, if one belongs to a church, they knew what I was saying. Otherwise, you identified it. Is it really worth going this far on, aside from the fact that I thanked you?

  • I’m not speaking to the choir, I’m making things explicit for those perhaps not involved in churches, who speak here often.

    Thanks. Moving on.

  • WAS a lot. In the Protestant communities it IS a lot. For the most part the Catholic clergy has cleaned house, while Protestants still think it only happened to Catholics. Otherwise, I agree with you completely.

  • An obscenely inaccurate depiction of Christian dogma. Just to address one point, God is right next to you if you just open your eyes and mind. Read. Read what minds much better educated than yours have had to say on this matter. The God we believe in is almighty, impeccable, compassionate, forgiving, and, yes, mysterious.

  • Supposing there was a group of people traveling about your area, led by a charismatic speaker who claims that the world is ending soon. He promises he alone can save you, but only if you sell your belongings, devote the rest of your life to him, and cut off family members who try to stop you.

    He also wants to change your name, advises you to leave your home/job if necessary to follow him, and says that if you don’t love him more than your own family, you’re not worthy of him. What sort of group is that?

  • Supposing there’s a group of people traveling about your area, led by a charismatic speaker who claims that the world is ending soon. He promises he alone can save you, but only if you sell your belongings, devote the rest of your life to him, and cut off family members who try to stop you.

    He also wants to change your name, advises you to leave your home/job if necessary to follow him, and says that if you don’t love him more than your own family, you’re not worthy of him. What sort of group is that?

  • I would say after seeing Him heal people – withered hands, and bringing people back from the dead – I think 4 of them – and bringing sight to a blind man, making water into wine, before returning in the flesh from the dead with the nail holes in his hand and the hole in his side from the spear – which proved His death as the water and the blood separated, and hearing God say from the Heavens that this is His Son in who He is well pleased, I would follow him. What about you?

  • Been standard practice at our church that anyone who has contact with children must also have a VSS criminal record check. Insisted on and introduced by members of the congregation who were police officers.

  • Ah, the old “worm food” gig. Hm.

    But since there are part(s) of you that are 100% immaterial yet still fully functioning right now, that automatically implies that your conclusion, “Nothing More”, is rationally FALSE.

  • Why aren’t you a Muslim, then? The Qur’an and Hadiths are replete with eye witness accounts to the miracles of Muhammad, such as his flight to Medina upon the winged horse Burraq, and the time he briefly split the moon in two by pointing at it.

    What about the miracles of Joseph Smith, as recorded in the Book of Mormon? Why don’t those eye witness accounts of Mormon miracles convince you of the truth of Mormonism?

    Probably because the only record of those miracles is found in those holy books, and no other outside source from that period. But the same is true of Jesus’ purported miracles. They are recorded as having occurred only in the Bible, a book written by his followers to convert people to Christianity.

    Do you see that they had a motive to lie in order to spread their religion? That’s what you recognize about Muslims and Islamic miracles. It’s what you recognize is true about Mormons and Mormon miracles. You only don’t recognize the same is true of Biblical miracles.

  • I’m not a muslim because I love Jesus. I know of no instance of God speaking down from Heaven, upholding Muhammad. I also like to drive, walk with my head uncovered, go to school, respect the Jewish and Christians…..I respect my husband who allows me to travel and isn’t so insecure he needs to put me on an emotional leash.
    I am not a Mormon because I know Jesus was, is , and will always be God.
    As far as Smith’s books? lol….why did he try to rewrite the Bible? The book of Mormon has King James English in it from the Bible. Moroni wasn’t very original.
    There are 66 books in the Bible – not one. Mormonism is a cult – satan’s counterfeit of Christianity

    Jesus reached down to me and died for me so that I don’t have to die. God in the flesh suffering and dying for me – you too btw. All one need do is repent of their sin, turn to Him and follow Him.
    No works, such as in mormonism.
    A real God who always was and always will be, and He came in the flesh to die for me.
    Mormon “god” requires works. The muslim “god” is hate. The Christian God suffered so you don’t have to.

  • >”I’m not a muslim because I love Jesus.”

    This tells me how you feel, but does not explain why Biblical accounts of miracles are more credible than Qur’anic ones.

    >”I know of no instance of God speaking down from Heaven, upholding Muhammad.”

    It’s in the Qur’an. You just choose to believe the Bible over the Qur’an because it’s what you were conditioned from birth to believe.

    >”I also like to drive, walk with my head uncovered, go to school, respect the Jewish and Christians…..I respect my husband who allows me to travel and isn’t so insecure he needs to put me on an emotional leash.”

    This explains why you do not wish to live as Muslim, but it does not explain why Biblical accounts of miracles are more credible than Qur’anic ones.

    >”I am not a Mormon because I know Jesus was, is , and will always be God.”

    Mormons also believe that.

    >”As far as Smith’s books? lol….why did he try to rewrite the Bible? The book of Mormon has King James English in it from the Bible. Moroni wasn’t very original.”

    Neither was the New Testament, being based in the same way on the Torah.

    >”There are 66 books in the Bible – not one. Mormonism is a cult – satan’s counterfeit of Christianity”

    You are also in a cult. I can see that from outside of Christianity. But it is designed such that you can’t see that from the inside. This is also why, as a non-Mormon you can see from the outside that it’s a cult, but Mormons cannot see that from the inside.

    >”Jesus reached down to me and died for me so that I don’t have to die. God in the flesh suffering and dying for me – you too btw. All one need do is repent of their sin, turn to Him and follow Him.”

    Only according to the Bible, a book written by early Christians to convert more people to Christianity.

    >”No works, such as in mormonism.”

    That’s true, instead salvation hinges entirely upon whether or not you believe a specific person died and was resurrected 2,000 years ago.

    Have you ever given serious thought to why that is? Why whether you go to Hell or not isn’t down to how you treated other people but instead whether you believe a claim upon which the rest of the Bible hinges.

    Could it be because Heaven and Hell are the carrot and stick, the good cop/bad cop to threaten and bribe you into believing that central claim? So that you’ll be tempted by your fear of death to believe, and afraid to entertain doubts lest you go to hell?

    >”Mormon “god” requires works. The muslim “god” is hate. The Christian God suffered so you don’t have to.”

    First of all, did you know that according to the Bible, Yahweh murdered every firstborn child in Egypt in order to punish the pharaoh? Children who had done nothing wrong. Was there really no way to punish him which didn’t involve killing innocents?

    Did you know that according to the Bible, Yahweh commanded the total genocide of several ethnic groups indigenous to what is now Israel, even punishing Joshua for sparing the animals and children?

    Did you know that while the Bible condemns homosexuals to death in many places, it nowhere says anything in condemnation of child marriage?

    How did they remember to condemn homosexuality several times, but “forgot” to include even a single condemnation of pedophilia? For that matter, how old was Mary when Yahweh impregnated her? 12, wasn’t she? Was she given any choice?

    What about slavery? Why does the Bible nowhere condemn slavery, but instead commands slaves to obey their masters as they obey Christ? You recognize evil in the Qur’an, but not in the Bible. Why is that?

  • I am a Christian because Christ knew me before I was born, and called me. I’ll make it as simple for you as possible.
    I don’t need to compare it any longer to cults. I searched many venues before accepting Christ’s offer. Christianity answered my concerns.
    I suggest you google slavery, and look in 1 Corinthians for your answer. How old was Mary? I have no idea. Nor do I care. It is history. I won’t apply todays expectations on a culture, or against a Lord who knows better than me.
    Homosexuality and death…all sin, unless repented of, leads to death.
    God creates life, it’s His to do with as He will.
    The New Testament, based on the Torah, because it is the same God, with the same expectations and the same promises. Paul – the predominant writer was chosen because of His knowledge and expertise. Christ then spent 3 years with him, teaching him what He expected of the gentile church, so yes, there will be a lot of overlap.
    Mormons do not believe in the divinity of Christ, until they put it on Him.
    Christ was, is, and will always be God.
    Pedophilia would fall under fornication, which is condemned.
    I won’t be able to answer your concerns, as aptly as even I would prefer. One, because there are experiences I have had that you could never conceive of, or probably believe that have confirmed the reality of Christ.
    If I have a chance, perhaps we can chat later. My husband is calling me. God bless.

  • >”I am a Christian because Christ knew me before I was born, and called me.”

    Only according to the Bible. Repeating over and over what you believe will not explain what the supporting evidence is.

    >”I’ll make it as simple for you as possible.”

    It’s not that I don’t understand you. I’ve been asking what makes Biblical claims of miracles more credible than Qur’anic claims of miracles, or the miracles recorded in the Book of Mormon.

    You have reiterated what you believe in, and why you do not like the lifestyle of other religions. But you still have not explained what makes Biblical miracles more credible than Qur’anic or Mormon miracles from a factual standpoint.

    >”I don’t need to compare it any longer to cults. I searched many venues before accepting Christ’s offer. Christianity answered my concerns.”

    This is also how Mormons feel about Mormonism, and how Muslims feel about Islam. You’re in the same kind of thing they are, but don’t realize it for the same psychological reasons they don’t.

    >”I suggest you google slavery, and look in 1 Corinthians for your answer.”

    I did, and found the Bible not prohibit slavery and in fact commands slaves to obey their masters as they obey Christ.

    >”How old was Mary? I have no idea.”

    Here you go: https://www.google.com/search?q=how+old+was+mary

    >”Nor do I care.”

    Whether or not you care doesn’t make my point disappear. If you condemn Muhammad for consumating his marriage to Aisha when she was 9, why is it not equally repugnant for Yahweh to impregnate Mary at 12?

    It is history. I won’t apply todays expectations on a culture, or against a Lord who knows better than me.”

    I thought God is timeless? I thought God’s laws were timeless? Are they now relative to the prevailing culture instead?

    >”Homosexuality and death…all sin, unless repented of, leads to death.
    God creates life, it’s His to do with as He will.”

    According to the Biblical definition of sin. According to the Qur’an, you are a sinner for not covering your hair or submitting fully to your husband.

    >”The New Testament, based on the Torah, because it is the same God, with the same expectations and the same promises.”

    It’s still the same God in the Qur’an. Islam claims to be a fulfillment (and partial restoration) of Christianity just as Christianity claims it’s the fulfillment of Judaism.

    >”Paul – the predominant writer was chosen because of His knowledge and expertise.”

    You mean the man who never personally knew Jesus, but claimed to have received a vision of him on the road to Damascus well after Christ died? What does this mean about Paul if Christ was not divine?

    >”Christ then spent 3 years with him, teaching him what He expected of the gentile church, so yes, there will be a lot of overlap.”

    Paul never met Christ.

    >”Mormons do not believe in the divinity of Christ, until they put it on Him.
    Christ was, is, and will always be God.”

    Mormons do believe in Christ’s divinity. You can go ask a Mormon over at reddit.com/r/lds and confirm this for yourself. Christ is God according to the Bible. That is what you believe to be true. It is not, in itself, supporting evidence for that belief.

    >Pedophilia would fall under fornication, which is condemned.

    I said child marriage. Sex within marriage is not a sin according to the scriptures. There is nothing written anywhere about adults having sex with children, even though homosexuality is specifically condemned several times.

    >”I won’t be able to answer your concerns, as aptly as even I would prefer. One, because there are experiences I have had that you could never conceive of, or probably believe that have confirmed the reality of Christ.”

    Every member of every religion has transcendent emotionally overwhelming experiences and interprets them as confirmation of their own different religions. Your experiences were not specific to Christianity, but something all humans feel at various points in their lives. It’s not the same as actual evidence.

    >”If I have a chance, perhaps we can chat later. My husband is calling me. God bless.”

    I don’t care. I have already supplied you with all of the information necessary to self-correct. I hope what I have written provokes in you a moment of genuine clarity of perspective, so you can see your own religion the way you see others.

    I don’t feel you deserve the rudeness other posters have directed at you. On the contrary you have been admirably even tempered. I have likewise tried to be dispassionate with you, and regret that you were treated like that.

    It’s a shame many people feel the anonymity of the internet makes it permissible to behave that way. You are undoubtedly a pleasant person irl, but as surely as Mormons and Muslims are deceived, so are Christians in the exact same way.

    I say this not to hurt your feelings. I have no desire to do such a thing. Rather I do so out of frustration and desire to see you mentally liberated.

    Ask yourself this: Is it really plausible for the supreme being over all life in the universe is specifically male, one of the two human sexes? Are there no other genders for aliens? Not even all species on Earth are male/female.

    What about that he commands women to remain silent and in submission, never presuming to instruct men on any topic, or that he enjoys the aroma of burnt animal flesh, or that he created homosexuals in order to torture them in Hell?

    In fact, don’t these sound like the qualities and attitudes of ancient man? The way men of that time wanted society to be run? Can you see how invoking a god who has all the same opinions they do would put weight behind them in the minds of the people they wished to control?

  • I’m gay, liberal & protestant, I’m a member of a local United Church of Christ. I don’t actually qualify as a Bible-thumper! 🙂

    She’s making claims about organizations but offering no research to base it on, that’s why i ask

  • Actually, statistically, they are overwhelmingly heterosexual, as they would describe themselves, and be described by their wives, families, communities, and churches.

    Men who describe themselves as gay comprise about 4% of the population. The men who molest bOys overwhelmingly come from the part of the population that does not describe themselves as gay or as homosexual. But as heterosexual .

    The perfect example is the Boy Scouts. For decades, they had a serious problem with molesters. They banned all gay people from their organization. They covered up the problem, yet it continued for decades. They preferred their scoutmasters to be married, thus certifiably heterosexual .but they still had the problem.

    Trying to blame gay men like me for the sins of heterosexually identified men is why the problem continued. I’ve never molested a boy, and would cut the balls of any man who tried to molest my nephews.

  • Gay and Christian? Incompatible. LIsten to one of the most renowned doctors: “For a period following receptive anal sex, the internal anal sphincter is stretched and is unable to contract strongly, thereby failing to completely seal the anal opening until the muscle regains its original tone. Repetitive anal sex, especially with large penises or rectal insertions of large objects may damage the internal anal sphincter, thereby preventing complete sealing of the anus, and leading to fecal mucus seepage (anal or fecal incontinence). Additionally, anal sex exacerbates fecal seepage by stimulating colonic motility, which sends feces from the colon down into the lower rectum”.
    Goldstone SE. The Ins and Outs of Gay Sex: a medical handbook for men (Dell Publishing, New York, NY, 1999 [The author is an out-of-the-closet homosexual physician])

  • You’re welcome for the laugh. But I didn’t include a homosexual to do so. That was all you, a few weeks ago, when you admitted someone very close to you turned out to be gay.

    But Thank you for the opportunity to address the issues.

    Was I trying to say something filthy about you? Not at all. Lots of people have gay children. That doesn’t make them filthy, or even bad. It merely makes them human, parent and child alike. Lots of people are divorced. That doesn’t make them “filthy.” It just makes them human beings. It even makes your hero trump a human being.

    But it does make bible believing Christians who get divorced into unrepentant sinners who have endangered their salvation. And you know that, that’s why you cannot decide what the Bible says, even though Jesus, whom you are always quoting to tell everyone else what to do, was quite clear on the subject of divorce. “What god has joined together, let no man divide.” You know you were wrong to get divorced, and then remarried, but you so want to be “saved.” And married. (And assert your own “moral” superiority. But that’s another issue). And you are afraid you will not be. But you WILL project your own sinfulness onto the rest of the human race, because that is what bible believing Christians do— project, project. That’s what hypocrites do, but they STILL need to believe they are good people. It’s the homage that Vice pays to virtue,

    And when You are not projecting you are busy deflecting.

    You could very easily say that you have only been married once. You’ve already stayed a number of times that you are married, so there is no “privacy” issue to hide behind. But if you said that you have only been married once, you would be lying, which is a sin. Even you can’t fool yourself into believing that lying about something you know isn’t true about yourself isn’t sinful, even though you have done so many, many times when it comes to other people. So you simply would not answer the very simple, very direct, and entirely unsinful question, with a simple, direct “no, I have never been married before”. And you continue to believe that the Bible isn’t clear, when it is.

    Just like Anita Bryant claiming that divorce was against everything she believed. Obviously, it wasn’t, because she got divorced.

    And then you deflect. You say really filthy, reviling, and slanderous things about me— that I want sex with animals, that I would approach some filthy, old, child molesting, professional so called christian pervert for sex, some I’ve never even heard of, let alone ever met. You slander my husband and my marriage as well. You say that I am a danger to children, and all of the rest of the nasty, Vicious lies you have repeated and repeated about me and gay people everywhere. Over and over and over again, in your nasty, passive aggressive way.

    All to hide your own sinfulness.

    I’m pretty sure that your daughter is gay. and if it is not your daughter, then it is someone equally, and formerly, close to you. This you take as a horrible reflection on you and your parenting abilities, if it was your daughter, and worse, on your faith and religion. How could that possibly be? You raised her properly, and with the proper religious beliefs. And yet, she basically told you to get stuffed. And rejected your vision of Christianity.

    And that you cannot abide, because that endangers your own ego.

    That is why you are always claiming that being gay is a choice, because that absolves you of the imaginary responsibility for her being gay that you would otherwise have to assign to yourself. You are so hurt that she would choose to be true to herself over you and you faith, so you reduce her entire life, and the lives of all gay people, to sin, perversion, sickness, and “filthy” sex.

    You are so angry at gay people everywhere for “stealing” your daughter from you, for endangering her soul, at least in your own sanctimonious and perverted view of things. That’s what got you “interested” in the subject, and that explains why you are so obsessed with it. It explains why you are constantly attacking gay people with lies, Slanders, half truths, and deliberate misinterpretations. It’s why you insisted the regnerus study was “true”. Even when regnerus himself admitted he didn’t study what he initially claimed he had studied. “Data is data”, you said, even when it is clear that it isn’t data, but ammunition.

    We have to be horrible, disgusting people so that you can raise yourself above us. Our sins MUST be worse than your sins. It’s absolutely necessary for you to believe the worst about gay people, simply because without us to blame for your own loss and your own failures, you’d have to own them, take responsibility for them. And that is something bible believers rarely do, because that is what jesus is for.

    No, I wasn’t trying to say something filthy about you. Only what’s fairly obvious from your own words. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I’ve met far too many people like you.

    I actually feel fairly sorry for you, but even sorrier for the damage you do to innocent people for your own failures to deal with your own issues.

  • So, your god didn’t create hell, and won’t send us there if we don’t believe in him?

    You answered none of give’s points, just reasserted your beliefs.

  • I don’t make the connection about being Christian and anal sex. Are you attempting to make a case that Christians don’t have anal sex? Anal sex is very prevelent among heterosexuals, of all faiths or lack of faith, as it is one of the most common forms of birth control for the world’s billions of heterosexuals.

    For being so renowned, I have never heard of Stephen Goldstone, MD and there is very little about him on the internet!

    You make big assumptions about gay men here. The most recent servey results about the sexual habits of gay & bisexual men confirm that the majority don’t engage in anal sex. Less than 30% do. 30% of 10% is a very small number compared to the potentially breeding masses.

    (The Revd) David Allen, BA, MTh

  • Or that the good doctor was referring to all gay men everywhere.
    Ersonally, I have never known anyone with those issues.

  • (edit)
    Ben, I’m sorry that you think so little of yourself that to insult me, you have to make someone a homosexual. I make that point because it is the third time you have done so, which says to me that you know Christ told the truth about homosexuality and that you are letting it hold you back from a relationship with Him.
    If there were something to apologize to you about, I would, but I have not lied.
    Homosexuality is a filthy sin. Christ taught that it defiles oneself. Paul taught that it is a sin against one’s own body (along with the other immoralities)
    I do admit that I have extreme difficulty with people hurting others trying to “normalize” or draw them to the sin. I would prefer that people go to Heaven and believe God will take anyone who turns to Him – you included..
    The information that I have posted has been to help people to see how far immorality – such as homosexuality – will take people.
    You are so busy trying to find filth on Christians, and display it proudly only reinforces that you are trying to justify your sin, rather than dealing with it. I would not want to be in your position to begin with, but, nothing is impossible with Christ – praise Him, and He will still help you. He loves you enough that He died for you also.
    This has nothing to do with me. It is your fear of the the fact that I am correct. I post things to protect people from the position you have put yourself in.
    So, as you are so busy trying to read my every comment to find a sin you can attack me on, know that Christ loves you, He died for you, and will take you into His arms, you just need to turn to Him and follow His instructions – repent and be baptized.
    God bless you Ben.

  • You have lied many times about gay people, and now about me, but that is hardly the point.

    You still will not confirm or deny what I have said, only deflect onto me all about what you think my sins are.

    So, I think we can take it as a given. You are divorced and remarried, and your anger about your daughter is directed at all gay people everywhere, no matter how much you hide behind jEsus.

    Passive aggressiveness at its finest.

  • Is this one of your examples of “not lying?” I never said I was interested in donkeys. That’s all you.

  • At least be honest with yourself. You do not wish to read it because it presents information you find discomforting.

  • I didn’t get that far. If you want to split it up into smaller sections, I may look at it, but, Im not in the mood to read a book with someone who wants me to feel “discomfort”

  • lol……have a good time with it
    Christ still loves you Ben. Whether I am the great axe murderer of Borneo or not, it does not change the fact that homosexuality is a sin that will keep one out of Christ’s blessings, and you need to confront that.

  • That’s a natural reaction to being challenged on beliefs that are emotionally important to us. If you compare the tone and language of my posts to other people you’ve spoken to in these comments, if you’re fair, you’ll recognize I’ve not set out to be offensive or hurtful as they have. At least from my perspective, I’m trying to help.

  • I don’t take orders from you. I appreciate that you have good intentions, but you are deceived, in exactly the same way as members of other religions that you and I both agree are deceived.

    You can see that about their religion but not your own. They are the same way: Mormons can see Islam is false for example, but they cannot see the same thing about Mormonism. It’s like a one-way mirror bubble you can see into but not out of.

    Just consider: If you were in a cult, how would you know? Cultists never realize that’s what they’re in, otherwise they would leave. How do cults go about preventing that realization?

  • No not mysterious; rationally impossible, wicked, lazy and incompetent maybe but mysterious – not a lot.

    Anyroadup – which bit of my depiction do you wish to correct me on – with logic and coherent thought please since just disagreeing with me merely proves that at least one of us is wrong but doesn’t indicate which.

  • Alright. That’s rude, but I am content to have planted a seed that may yet grow into critical self-examination. It seems like this discussion has reached a point where it’s no longer fruitful. Sincerely, enjoy the rest of your day.

  • Now you’re being sandi – if I could hate something I don’t believe exists I’d have to hate all the other things I don’t believe in – unicorns, the fairies at the bottom of your garden, the man in the moon, Paddington Bear, Eeyore, non-fattening pork pies, etc. etc.

  • Harry Thomas, interviewed by Kim Flanders in “Creation 2003: Interview with Harry Thomas, Founder”, cMusicWeb, April 26, 2003:

    “Creation [Festival] really dates back to 1971 … [when] I caught a little vision of thousands of KIDS on a hillside … saying to reach KIDS, you know. At that time … I kept feeling more and more inclined to reach KIDS with YOUTH music … So I felt led to start a radio program and it was called the ‘Come Alive Show.’ … Tim Landis … came down to a show that was held in Haddon Heights, New Jersey … [then] came over to my house and at my kitchen table I found out that we had a similar desire to reach YOUTH and we both had a desire to do a larger event, a festival. At my kitchen table, we named it the Creation Festival and that was the beginning, in 1978. … We find that YOUTH leaders love Creation because it is a time when they can really meet with their KIDS at the camp fire or whatever is happening, and go away with a real religious experience. … One of my strong feelings is that it is important to translate the gospel into a language that KIDS understand … that KIDS can understand today. … Year after year we get letters from Pastors who say that Creation is where the YOUTH group makes decisions for Christ, or where they were baptized.”

  • Harry Thomas, interviewed by Kim Flanders in “Creation 2003: Interview with Harry Thomas, Founder”, cMusicWeb, April 26, 2003 – DISAGREES WITH YOU.

  • CREEPY

    He said the same thing here

    Harry Thomas, interviewed by Kim Flanders in “Creation 2003: Interview with Harry Thomas, Founder”, cMusicWeb, April 26, 2003.

  • Nope

    Per Harry Thomas, interviewed by Kim Flanders in “Creation 2003: Interview with Harry Thomas, Founder”, cMusicWeb, April 26, 2003

  • MEANWHILE however

    IN THE MEANTIME however

    We born-again Christians – led by Roy Moore, Jack Phillips & Harry Thomas – are sending Christ Jesus back to the Cross – on behalf of ALL THEIR VICTIMS

    That’s called THE UNPARDONABLE SIN

    Our fates shall be worse off

    Me? I say, Right on, God & Jesus. We deserve this. BRING IT ON.

  • Creation Festival “is the perfect camouflage”!

    Per Harry Thomas, interviewed by Kim Flanders in “Creation 2003: Interview with Harry Thomas, Founder”, cMusicWeb, April 26, 2003.

  • No

    Not when we’ve committed The Unpardonable Sin

    Roy Moore has

    Harry Thomas too

    No more “Saviour” for them

  • Actually, for Christians there is no judgment. When we stand before the Lord, He will be commending us for what we did for Him.
    For the unsaved, they will be kneeling and recognizing that He is Lord, and then the judgment…

  • What is with these people that they have the nerve to call themselves Christian? They are not following Jesus, who came down strongly against harming kids. Remember the stuff about stumbling blocks and millstones?

  • This is getting interesting. Of corse I, a nice Jewish lady in New York, have no idea what this is about but I’m looking at the microwave and the popcorn.

  • Mark Noll was right in his assessment of the evangelical mind: he said there really isn’t one. He said that they don’t much care about anything their pastors don’t care about and they are trained from childhood to swallow all kinds of garbage.

  • What does anatomy have to do with theology? Why are gayness and Christianity incompatible? There is a chance that Paul was gay and that at least one of the original twelve was also. In addition, one can be gay and celibate. Or enjoy soixante neuf.

  • She also ignores or rejects the letter of James, who said that faith without works is meaningless. She reject Lev 19:16…thou shalt not stand idly by the blood of thy neighbor. She rejects the parable of the Good Samaritan.

  • In my faith, there is no Hell and no devil. A God worth believing in would not drop its creatures in eternal misery but does punish offenders…to strengthen them. I think it was Luther who said we are “simul iustus et peccator.” We are at the same time just and sinners. We have the possibility of doing either good or bad but we have choices.

  • Listen up, you don’t get to judge whether another person hates. Put the fire in your eyes out before it burns you. You have been warned by someone you profess to love that judging others will get you fried. He didn’t only die, he taught. Read the entire Sermon on the Mount. I know it’s less sexy than Revelation but it also is more germane to living.

  • On this planet, such a person might be called bisexual. Or a child molester. Or a prisoner seeking sexual gratification, violence, and power.

    But if you insist that this is the case, then we can up the figures of gay being 4% of the population to about 30% of the population, perhaps even 40%.

  • How do you know you are saved? Has Jesus told you? Did god visit you during a dream or an orgasm to say you were saved?

  • It’s about Christian hypocrisy, and people working out their own issues in the easy coin of other people’s lives.

  • No, you do not earn your vodka and black bread ration for today for such lame unimaginative trolling.

    Commissar Borsht demands far more creativity than that.

    Troll better Comrade!

  • you! left out depart from me you evil and wicked person for truly i never knew you.

    can you really be a believer, when you constantly violate The Commands of G-D?

    when we, are also commanded to obey the laws of the land we live.

    calling yourself a christian, does not mean you are Christ-Like.

    implying you are innocent, does not mean you are.

    you, cannot be a man and a liberal too.

    calling yourself conservative, does not mean you are steadfast with G-D.

    this world, teaches you all how to lie not how to tell the truth.

    each nation or other groups, only teach how to lie in their own nationality or group way.

    all judgement, is based on the truth or lies you choose to tell regardless of race, creed, or color…

    the lies you tell, places yourself and others in serious jeopardy. and california, has an even more serious lying problem.

  • Jesus, if he existed, was a human being who peed, crapped, may have masturbated as a youngster and grew up way more sane than a lot of his “followers” who are scandalized by the notion he even had a body.

  • Interesting how the people most confident they are getting into heaven are the most immoral, unrighteous, ignorant scum out there.

    Why would anyone want to spend eternity with such miscreants?

  • The next time you tell anything truthful, will be your first.

    I can’t help it if an honest appraisal of your position is so negative.

  • most of you shall never make it beyond Seetra HaArcha, Who ELOHEEM Appointed to keep the evil and wicked out of HEAVEN of Heavens.

    scriptural imbeciles, who don’t even truly mentally know the physical Scripture we are all here in at least thrice again. and again mentally failing, for the third physical time.

  • there, are currently about 7 billion idiots not here in this story of the physical creation again. that believe in the magicians of the pharaohs, and their scientific excuses again. that, can never survive their monkey brain intellectual imbecile transplants.

  • Jimmy, I would say that any person who uses his faith as a weapon against others is someone that Jesus wouldn’t recognize.

  • Jesus parable about where you plant seeds might have some relevance here. You just put an orchid seed into the middle of the Sahara.

  • any gay subtle talking beast of the fields, can never be called a human being. for they, are called an abomination.

    so all you! are doing is defending your being a false witness. nor does issuing a “get” imply unfaithfulness. which accuses at least one partner, of some kind of infidelity.

    when you are claiming to be the only true, investigator, witness, judge, and jury. when all, you are is a yeeetz. when you, even falsely claim there are innocent subtle talking beats of the fields and their followers.

    your just another sinner, projecting yourself as innocent blaming others with your own sinful ways in your own mental magic..

  • I’m always happy to hear a True Christian tell the rest of us that we aren’t really human beings like they are. It makes your theology so much more real…

    As to what it is really about.

    We are all of us, every one of us, even you, sinners. That is what your theology teaches. But like sandimonious, what you really mean is that you and your ilk are just so much better than the rest of us, all the whileyou protest that that isn’t what you are saying.

    But it is.

    Also what you are saying? Is that any attempt at understanding other people, looking at nuance, trying to find the world outside of what you think of as your holy book— by which you mean the book you have created in your own image, and worship as your god— is completely lost on you.

    Have a nice day, jimmy. Continue you in your delusions that you are some kind of prophet, some representative of the god which you worship almost as much as you worship yourself.

  • what, does ELOHEEM say about homosexuality? and why, are you bearing false witness about it?

    and where, do you find, in Scripture that ELOHEEM or THEIR Son loves any of you subtle talking monsters of the fields? when all you have is your own blasphemous mental magic scripture in opposition to ELOHEEM and THEIR Son.

    when i, can even smell the plagues of california here in denver colorado again. and since you, approve of an abomination thus you are.

  • not when evil and the wicked are commanded to destroy, itself. when you, jeopardize your children by not teaching them the truth. you! endanger your own children with taught lies. with the sins of the fathers, taught to their children. so do not tell me, your lying is not eternally dangerous to yourself and everyone around you.

  • One correction: None of those three guys have committed the unpardonable sin.

    And Jack Phillips ain’t sinned at all. If he goes down, we ALL go down — even the Jews, Muslims, & Atheists — in terms of constitutional religious freedoms. So it’s a great time to ask Jesus to give Jack a win.
    Meanwhile, what IS the unpardonable sin? Briefly, Billy Graham says:

    If we have received Jesus as our Savior and Lord, we have not blasphemed the Holy Spirit; we have accepted His witness….“To commit this sin one must consciously, persistently, deliberately, and maliciously reject the testimony of the Spirit to the deity and saving power of the Lord Jesus.” If a person keeps doing that until death, there is no hope of forgiveness and eternal life in heaven.

    “…The unpardonable sin is NOT some particularly grievous sin committed by a Christian before or after accepting Christ, nor is it thinking or saying something terrible about the Holy Spirit. Rather, it is deliberately resisting the Holy Spirit’s witness and invitation to turn to Jesus, until death ends all opportunity.

  • a liberal, wearing conservative clothes does not make them conservative. all crimes, are committed by fascist liberals. liberals, lie and claim to be what they are not. you! are a liberal why would i ever expect the truth from you? liberals, will even lie and call themselves christian to deceive others.. the number of christians, alleged on this planet is far far fewer than alleged.

  • Spud, my character is not dependent on comments from you, and, however you may choose to slander me, will not change it. If you and Ben haven’t learned the little influence you carry in this respect, well, it’s time you did.

  • the closer to G-D one gets, the less the devils want to understand them. demons, have an automatic denial system installed to reject anything true from ELOHEEM and Son.

  • soixante-neuf pas pour moi, mais en aucun cas l’orifice où la matière fécale est éliminée!

  • I always love the sounds of Christian love in the morning. And when a Good Christian calls me an abomination, I can tell just how deathly afraid they are.

    Have a nice day, Jimmy. again.

  • That is good because so far your character appears non-existent.

    You have chosen to slander others and lie. Any offense you feel is well deserved.

  • are you lying, i can’t even find the word jewish or jew in TheTorah Scroll i have. isn’t it a great sin, to call yourself anything ELOHEEM never called any of the multitudes of all known nations at Mt Seeanee?

    i have no faith in this world, that only teaches how to lie to their children.

    if you truly do not know ELOHEEM, you won’t truly know what is really going on in this evil and wicked world today. just like the last two Torot times, with the world making all the same mental mistakes and expecting different physical results from Noach to adam and his sister again.

    for without adam and his sister, there is no way for any of you to be precisely born again in the world to come in only TheTorah Physical Story of Creation…

  • Every day the world becomes a little bit sadder place to live. Here we have a man who lived his life trying to create something good for the world and those lost within it. Everything he did pointed toward God, but perhaps he has made some mistakes which he may now live to regret….only time will tell.

    Instead of offering prayers for all who will be hurt by this tragedy I read mostly comments here which degrade humanity in general but mostly each other and those within the story. It disgusts me to see how careless and cold individuals can be online, especially when they have not been personally effected by a story.

    I pray for each of you here who are too ignorant to recognize your own sin and all those who will be impacted by this tragic story as the facts continue to unravel.

  • according to science, said as humans are classified as animals. and if you believe, you evolved from a monkey then you have had sex with a monkey.

    if you believe, you evolved from a slime pool. then you, are having sex with another slime pool.

    and i, have better things to do than call any mate slimy ball or girl-illa ape. unlike the chauvinists, i have more respect for any ruach kodesh woman than that.

    your mannerism, is totally disgusting toward women. with your attempts to impress and/or suppress bully them with your lies. your name, shall never be written in The Book of Eternal life doing that.

  • pas soixante-neuf pour moi, mais pire encore pénétrant un orifice créé pour l’élimination de la matière fécale et rien d’autre!

    Not a chance a smidgen of proof that St Paul was one of the sodomites. Hey Midnight dark, Do you realize the long term stinky effect of distorting the intimate intercourse between husband and wife into a stinky preposition

  • mostly all sinners discussing, the alleged sins of somebody else. in order to avoid discussing, their own ways of sinning.

  • All true, but it would have been a vastly larger, more tangled-up argument if I tried to cover all that.

  • But that was exactly my point to Sandimonious. She wants to talk about my sins rather than her own. As do you.

    Is t it all just projection?

  • I guess we’re just not allowed to be angry at a man who molests children, just like we’re not allowed to be angry at so called Christians pointing out the sins of others when they should be paying attention to their own.

  • depart from me you evil and wicked person, tells me that Christ does not love you all. you should never assume that ELOHEEM or THEIR Son loves you all.

    Ho! Ho! Ho! to all you, evil and wicked inhabitants on earth. for the time of the judgement of the living and dead is near at hand. here in this evening, of the end of the sixth day just again. with less than 70 years, from the time of Appointment. when Christ shall rule over all physical totality for The Day of Rest for ELOHEEM again.

  • As a happily married heterosexual I will tell you, if anal sex is causing major medical problems, it is clear you are not doing it right.

    Interesting how there is no weblink to your cut and paste. That is typically what bigot liars do when they are using a source they know to be (all puns intended) to be full of crap.

  • assuming a conviction, is already been decreed. one of the laws of the many states, is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

    i have seen no presentation of evidence, to sway me in one way or the other. all i, have seen is an allegation of charges. i, have seen no proof the allegations are true.

    i, refuse to put myself in jeopardy of being a false witness and false prophet.

    i can’t even be a witness, to anything i have not personally observed. i am not the all in one investigator, witness, prosecutor, defense attorney, judge and jury in this.

  • what you, think the devils have not been busy infiltrating your government and churches?

    i would like to see, charges filed against the leaders of the catholic church too. and have, their day in court. for allegedly aiding and abetting, pedophiles. there is no justice, in charging this particular guy and letting the catholic church off the hook

    i, would like to see liberal leaders indicted for operating a criminal syndicate too.

    i am not happy, with what the leaders claim is their prejudiced justice.

    do you think, it makes me happy to see the plagues of california and elsewhere? the increase of pestilences, plagues, and famine since 1950 is astounding. the cancer plague, used to be 1 in 10,000 and now it is like 1 in 5.

    the trump russia investigation, began with the fib using a false document they assumed was true. now essentially they, are handing out speeding tickets for unrelated offenses. after having found no actual evidence of collusion, with russia. and some, for lying to the lying fib. now we discover, there was partisan collusion withing the special counsel losing all credibility.

  • my worldly given first name, is jimmie with a feminine ending. it means like a thief, with a feminine end. The Name, given to me from ELOHEEM also has that infamous feminine ending. even though i am, THEIR Male Child here in Revelation.

    and THEIR Truth, is my only weapon against the wicked and evil. and so yes, the alleged as jesus, called the pharasees scribes, and sadoocees, the den of hypocrites, vipers, and evil.

    Only THEIR Truth, protects me against the taught lies of this taught evil and wicked world.

    what, does Revelation say about all the churches today? with only one, good thing to say about one particular little church. when most churches have escorted ELOHEEM and Yeshooah Adam out of their liberal churches.

  • and your, projections make it so much more complete. in case you, have not noticed yourself bullying.

  • You make Baby Jesus cry with each lie you tell. Please console him by being honest at least once in your life.

  • all good or bad physical events, are by the judgement. ELOHEEM, is busy commanding THEIR Physical Story until the precise end of this sixth day. and places THEIR Only Begotten Physically Born Son in charge for the final Day of Rest for ELOHEEM.

  • any sin that, is associated with the death sentence is unpardonable. at best you, can only get a deferred death sentence like with Daveed Melech. only sins that, do not have the death sentence are forgivable.

  • actually i can see, where she has far far better chance than you. in case you have not figured out by now, your never going to make it There.

  • i haven’t noticed, even a feather of truth in everything you have said yet. as i only, observe you defending your own way of sinning and the sins of others..

  • and I’ll bet you support Trump and his choice for Senator in Alabama, the child molester. You christians are just vile anymore. Pathetic.

  • your definition of a true christian, seems to be lacking in the mental department. medical science, has already condemned you as an animal.

    and what do you mean by “We”? i am not even a christian, so you have no idea what is my alleged theology. and according to Scripture, there is nobody else like me on physical earth today. so i, cannot be classified by your ilk..

    nor is there, any command for me to understand any demonic scripture you or anyone else writes for themselves. i, only use The Scripture ELOHEEM gave to Moshe with The Story of Christ in IT… nor did i write The Torah and give, it to Moshe.

    you, can’t even write my worldly first name without lying. and your, trying to convince others your the truth? when you, can’t even write a simple name correct. and trying to convince others, your above all delusions. as you appear to be a worshiper of your own mental corruption.

    as it certainly is not ELOHEEM or THEIR Son, you are worshiping. all i see you as, is as an intellectual imbecile making your own scriptures up thinking you are clever at it… there is no official scriptural basis for anything you have written. you! can’t even spell the name of ELOHEEM’S Son correctly. which is a great sin, of blasphemy to do that.

  • well that, makes you both wicked and evil. and i don’t use the title of Reverend. says Pastor jimmie, or Rabbee with my ELOHEEM given Name. cause it is not possible, to write the letter j in TheTorah Scroll.

    so it is, not possible for ELOHEEM to have a Son with a j name. Moshe, did not even know any late romantic languages.

  • oh so you! only think ELOHEEM’S Male Child is afraid of you? oh really! really now???

    you! can’t possibly think i am doing this assignment out of some phobia? that, would be a yeeetz laugh. you think, G-D commanded me to do this because THEY are afraid of you!

    well thanks, for the laugh anyway. G-D and THEIR Male Son, are scared of ben in oakland. hard to believe anyone, is gone to being that high and mighty stupid.

  • When God was punishing Israel, they knew because they had sinned, they had betrayed the covenant, they hurt each other, and so on. Some, though, craved this moment because it meant Israel was going to be held in captivity by God. Hold us captive, Lord, imprison us by you. It was hope that He’ll straighten Israel up again.

    Something like that. What do I know, brother Ben in Oakland?

  • Nope.

    TUS = After being born-again out of faith in Jesus’ death & resurrection, and after living out that life of faith, then suddenly: apostasy, murder, pedophilia, sexual abuse, sexual molestation; requiring once again that Jesus die & resurrect in order to save them.

    No can do.

    The Saviour in Harry Thomas got him saved, then got him to evangelize kids while molesting them?!

    Returning to your vomit, says the Hebrews writer, after feasting at the Lord’s Banquet? What’s this but The Unpardonable Sin.

    Google Billy Graham universalism and you’ll weep.

  • who, are you talking to? can’t be me because, i am not a christian. so go ahead and give me some more proof that you are a liar.

    how can you cram that many lies, in a couple of sentences? when i, never even voted in the last election.

    and i, do not even live in alabama. haven’t been to alabama since i was stationed, at fr rucker in 1963.

  • more of your, lying. you should, at least try to get one thing right in only a single sentence. a lie, without any truth at all is too easy to spot.

    if your, going to lie you could at least make it somewhat believable with some truth.

  • “I thought I was reaching nirvana. But all I was getting was reruns of the original Mouseketeer Club.”

  • Jen Krausz, “Newsmax’s 100 Most Influential Evangelicals in America”, Newsmax, November 17, 2017:

    “The evangelical faith of these prominent Americans has shaped their lives and influenced their politics, morality, and careers, as well as their personal lives. This Newsmax list of the 100 Most Influential Evangelicals in America includes pastors, teachers, politicians, athletes, and entertainers — men and women from all walks of life whose faith leads them to live differently and to help others in a variety of ways. … 85. Pastor HARRY THOMAS — This New Jersey pastor co-founded the Creation Festivals, held in central Pennsylvania and southeastern Washington, which are the largest yearly Christian music festivals in the U.S. and possibly in the entire world.”

  • D. Parvaz, “Thousands worship, then rock out at Creation Festival”, Seattle P-I, July 30, 2006:

    “Figuring out how much money the festival itself generates is tricky. According to marketing Vice President Nick Kulb, the two U.S. festivals are run by Creation Festival LLC, with the proceeds going to a non-profit called Come Alive International, which in turn builds such things as a clinic in Haiti and a Christian university in Ghana. It also arranged a free, interfaith concert in Morocco in May, and will start offering Christian cruises next year in partnership with Carnival Cruise Lines. When asked about the non-profit’s income, he suggested we contact the IRS. A database search of non-profit organizations under that name could not be found, but there was a Come Alive Ministries Inc., with the same New Jersey post office box as the one listed on http://www.comealive.com, Come Alive International Inc.’s Web site. According to the most recent tax forms available (filed in 2004 for 2003), Come Alive Ministries Inc. has a 50 percent partnership interest in Creation Festivals. It also shares the Rev. Harry L. Thomas, co-founder of Creation Festival and president of Come Alive Ministries, a job for which he was paid $243,339 in 2003. Creation Festival LLC is a private company, and Kulb wouldn’t disclose its earnings. Come Alive Ministries listed its assets at $2.8 million.”

  • “Here we have a man who lived his life trying to create something good for the world and those lost within it” – ONLY TO GET ARRESTED FOR … “something good”???????

  • (a) Criminal charges have been filed against leaders of the Catholic Church.
    (b) No evidence of collusion, except for DTJ meeting with a former KGB agent when he heard he had evidence about Hillary, then losing interest once he found out she didn’t.
    (c) One of out how many investigators wrote something about Trump online? I think you need to learn what the word collusion means.

  • Can’t find “Jimmie Cooper Boswell” in the Torah either. I guess that makes you a liar too.
    Are you under the impression that adding more vowels to transliterated Hebrew terms makes you look erudite? It makes you look even more foolish (if possible).
    The term Jew has been around for over 2,000 years, well before Jesus.

  • Do you believe that Jesus was the Messiah and the Son of God? If the answer is yes, then you’re a Christian, objectively speaking. You can dress it up with Hebrew and transliterations and Eloheeeeem but it doesn’t change the facts.
    You don’t need to live in Alabama to support the child-molesting Moore. Trump supports him, he doesn’t live there.

  • “A God worth believing in ………does punish offenders…to strengthen them.”

    Why? He made them knowing they would need punishing them? Why not just make them strong to start with? Why do you want to believe in such a nasty god?

    “We have the possibility of doing either good or bad but we have choices”.

    We make choices all the time, but in our unconscious mind and based on our unique mixture of nature (inherited genetic material) and nurture (our life experience plus the consequences of epigenetics). The invention of the fMRI scanner has lead neuroscience to have excellent experimental reasons for doubting the existence of what most people regard as “free will”. That, in itself, destroys the morality of a deity punishing humans for being what they are – and if you believe that he creates each individual, not just what they are but what he chose to make them.

  • I don’t see it. People have been killing people for thousands of years over religion. It isn’t surprising since those who believe magical creatures created the Universe will believe anything. For every one of these pedophile Christians we find, a dozen more go undiscovered. You could be one.

  • Ah I see what you mean

    “Bring it on”, as W Bush would say in his make-believe war on terror

    Yeah that didn’t come out right

    Bring us into Your captivity once again, O Lord – that’s the idea I had

    So I agree with you: no “weapon”-ization of “what you believe” is called for

    Thanks for the wise correction there

  • Zombies are magical creatures who die and still live. No one has ever proven that Jesus actually existed. The great man known to kings and queens wasn’t mentioned by anyone during one of the most documented times in Roman and other ancient histories. At the Council of Nicea in 325AD they were still trying to figure out who this Jesus fella was. A Libyan Sabellius had taught that the Father and the Son are a single entity. Trinitarian Church fathers, Bishop Alexander of Alexandria and his deacon, Athanasius, believed there were three persons in one god. The Trinitarians were pitted against the Monarchianists, who believed in only one indivisible being. These included Arius, who was presbyter in Alexandria, under the Trinitarian bishop, and Eusebius, Bishop of Nicomedia (the man who coined the term “oecumenical council” and who had estimated participation at a substantially lower and more realistic attendance of 250 bishops).

    Arius accused Alexander of Sabellian tendencies when Alexander accused Arius of denying the second and third person of the Godhead.

  • No he isn’t. You are the typical delusional “believer” who knows nothing of the history of his own religion, how his bible came to be in its present form or that the Hebrews were polytheistic until their captivity in Babylon where they were introduced to monotheism. You have to be pretty ignorant of a lot of reality to believe the crap you believe.

  • You Christians all pray for death and destruction. That’s retarded. If there is a God he’ll wish he never met me.

  • Take your meds son, just as your mom said. Listen to doctor’s advice (one of your own), he may even be a “Christian” just like you.

  • Much like your mouth, given crap seems to come out of it. 🙂

    Why all this online fecalphilia?

    We’re their toilet training issues when you were a kid?

    Again it sounds like you are clearly not doing it right. Jealous much?

  • You know what your mom said, this is what the doctor said:
    (Think of the long term consequences if not for you for those around you at old age…)

    “For a period following receptive anal sex, the internal anal sphincter is stretched and is unable to contract strongly, thereby failing to completely seal the anal opening until the muscle regains its original tone. Repetitive anal sex, especially with large penises or rectal insertions of large objects may damage the internal anal sphincter, thereby preventing complete sealing of the anus, and leading to fecal mucus seepage (anal or fecal incontinence). Additionally, anal sex exacerbates fecal seepage by stimulating colonic motility, which sends feces from the colon down into the lower rectum”.
    Goldstone SE. The Ins and Outs of Gay Sex: a medical handbook for men (Dell Publishing, New York, NY, 1999 [The author is an out-of-the-closet homosexual physician])

  • Given your potty mouth, it is clear which orifice is the one where the crap comes out of.

    Still no online link to the cut and paste. Hmmm, which anti-gay cite did you crib that from? Second time I have asked.

    Why must you be such an obvious liar?

    I am not surprised you are so obsessed with fecal matter given that you are just full of crap.

  • Lying sack of crap said what?

    I still don’t have a link to that alleged medical citation you posted twice.

    Why is telling the truth so difficult for you?

  • Still no link to your cut and paste. Too embarrassed to give a link. Lying sack of crap continues to waste bandwidth with avoidance.

    I can’t help it if your not doing it right or can’t find someone to do it with. But don’t take it out on the rest of us. We don’t care.

  • No link still. I won’t bother to read what you post. You are clearly a lying troll. You clearly too concerned with what consenting adults do in their private time and not concerned we all with being a defaming lying troll.

    Happy holidays. Bless your heart. Go sodomize yourself.

  • So you are a firm believer in incest? You prescribe to the notion that it was Adam and his “sister” and not his wife. Oh, and don’t even try your babble language on me. You stated it yourself that you believe in incest with , “for without adam and his sister, there is no way for any of you to be precisely born again in the world to come in only The Torah Physical Story of Creation…” I wonder if the state of Colorado should be investigating you and your past? Maybe we should call them and see what they can find?

    You are lying to yourself, by trying to seem knowledgeable when you are the complete opposite by rejecting FACT based reality. Oh and hate to tell you, there was no god, no jesus, no prophets, no holy land.

  • Well, try this: you are full of shit. You display the poorest grasp of Christian dogma I have ever seen in a person who has a decent vocabulary. To try and clear up your misrepresentations would be futile.

  • It seems the word “hell” is not in the bible. And where you go after you die is determined by how you lived. Of late, hell seems to be defined as some place where God is not (no double entendre intended). Some Catholic theologians say living a good life will suffice. There is the old cowboy saying, “between the saddle and the ground” one might still be redeemed.

  • Are you saying that pedophilia does not happen in Protestant churches? Who are YOU trying to fool?

  • OK – you can’t do it; so you bluster and call me names like a five-year-old whose just been corrected in the schoolyard and hope I’m daft enough to think you know what you’re talking about.

    I don’t

    If you don’t understand the religion you claim enough to defend it rationally you ought, perhaps, to study it (and risk realising that it is without merit, logic or historical justification).

  • Horrendous justification of unspeakable permanent harm to children. — And by ‘justifying it’ YOU are complicit. May you feel the hell these kids experienced

  • I don’t know who brain washed you into thinking that music is a sin, but that’s pretty sad.

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