Free buttons that read "Godless Government" are offered during a gathering with the Kansas City Atheist Coalition and the Satanic Temple to discuss religious freedom on Sept. 30, 2016, in Kansas City, Mo. RNS photo by Sally Morrow

Satanic Temple member fights Missouri abortion restrictions

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — The Missouri Supreme Court is considering whether some of the state's abortion restrictions violate the religious beliefs of a woman who is part of the Satanic Temple.

An attorney for the anonymous woman asked judges Tuesday (Jan. 23) to block Missouri's mandatory three-day waiting period for abortions and a requirement that doctors providing abortions give women a booklet that says "the life of each human being begins at conception." The doctors must also offer an ultrasound and give women an opportunity to hear the fetal heartbeat.

Members of the Satanic Temple don't believe in a literal Satan but see the biblical Satan as a metaphor for rebellion against tyranny.

Attorney James MacNaughton says the abortion restrictions conflict with his client's beliefs, which are to follow scientific understanding of the world.

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  1. But No !! This is a Christian county, we are endowed by our Christian creator with rights. Satanists go away. This is just secularists are trying to take away religious freedom of Christians. Conscience protections are for Christian cake-bakers, opponents of gay-marriage and abortion not Satanists !!
    /S *

    * Yes that means sarcasm, not Satan… for those literalists out there.

  2. Don’t you have a human sacrifice to go to instead of blurting out the same nonsense? Oh wait, this is about human sacrifice, in the womb, so I guess you are practicing your, what was it? Oh yes, “faith”.

  3. Christians love human sacrifice. They gladly endanger and attack other people in service of their faith.

    The whole abortion restriction law is purely sectarian religious nonsense. Because Christians don’t like people making their own decisions.

  4. Right! Abortion is cowardly and unsporting. At least Good, Bible Thumping Christians want to see a baby born before they send a plane over to bomb its village. Now the baby has the chance to crawl away.

  5. It still leaves life and death in the hands of Christ. And my church doesn’t own any planes that bomb villages. Does yours?

  6. No Spud….we don’t like to see people murdered.

  7. Depends on the people. Some just like to call it helping or saving their souls. Christian love, almost like the real thing, but not even close.

  8. Wrong again Spud. Only Jesus saves people’s souls.

  9. I haven’t burned any and know of none that have been. You?

  10. Did Jesus get a disqus account? I do not believe I was addressing him. Just one of his followers. 🙂

  11. I am not clear as to how your analogy is any different than for abortion if bombing a village as it still leaves life and death in the hands of Christ. I think the point is that often pro-life really is pro-birth. Wonder how many churches provide subsidized housing for low income and/or single parent families or operate non-profit day care Or pay for medical costs of pregnant women without health insurance.

  12. No you just drive vulnerable teens to suicide with your promotion of discredited – and illegal where you live – so-called “conversion therapy”. You shroud your sadism in piety.

  13. These Satanic Temple goobers are performance artists par excellence. Whenever they engage in a caper you know the christofascist talking heads who sputter against them are going to look ridiculous and it’s happened every since time they’ve pulled a stunt.

  14. Wonder what the impact would be if that sentence in the pamphlet was rewritten as ‘the death of every human being begins with conception? Just rephrasing Shakespeare’s “Well we wee born to die” line. from Romeo and Juliet. and making a statement more reflective of the large number of human embryos that fail to successfully develop.

  15. It still leaves life and death in the hands of Christ.

    And how does He do that? Does He whisper into the ear of the pilot and say: “Don’t drop your load! There’s a little baby down there!”.

    And my church doesn’t own any planes that bomb villages.

    Do you vote? If “Yes” is one of the criteria for a particular candidate is the amount of suffering he will rain down upon your opponents, either domestic or foreign?

    Does yours?

    What church? I’m a very devout, and very pious Agnostic.

  16. Look for “List of people executed for witchcraft” on Wikipedia.

  17. Not interested, thanks. I’ve seen enough of the damage that heretics have done to homosexuals.

  18. Yes you are.
    Well congratulations! Today, you learned a truth about God.

  19. Christ offers them life, and normalcy. You only offer lies and death.

  20. So, because they may be poor, they should be killed, Linda?

  21. You don’t know Him well enough to address Him. Give it a try sometime

  22. Am I speaking with him now?

    Is there anyone else in your head at the moment?

  23. He doesn’t live in my head but my heart. Your silliness betrays you.

  24. “the life of each human being begins at conception.”
    The state of Missouri can not determine this. This statement can only be made by a religious person or by scientists. If it is a religious opinion, the state is constitutionally prevented from using it. Science does not yet have an accepted theory on when a fetus becomes a person.

    Life itself does not begin at conception. Live organisms can only be created by live organisms. The sperm and egg must be alive before conception. Life on this planet began several billion years ago.

  25. Didn’t say that – you haven’t explained why bombing that causes the deaths of innocent lives is any different than abortion as both involve agency. Nor have you indicated how your church takes actions to be part of the solution. Income related issues are the most common reason that leads a woman to terminate a pregnancy.

  26. If you didn’t say that, what were you saying?

  27. No they want to make the decisions for them. In reality they are Dominionists, or the extreme wing of the extremists known as Calvinists.

  28. Its an easy problem to resolve. Every professional medical organization opposes these measures as forcing doctors to do invasive medically unnecessary procedures and spouting of religious dogma. This is simply politicians dictating to them how to do their jobs.

    These kind of restrictions were already deemed unconstitutional in Texas and they would not hold up to a challenge in court in Missouri either. All the Satanic Temple did here was provide a plaintiff with standing and an extra argument against the measures.

    “Science does not yet have an accepted theory on when a fetus becomes a person.”

    Actually they do. Its at birth. When one is born they no longer require the mother’s biological systems to exist and therefore have autonomy separate and apart from her. Biology tells us that a fetus can’t exist as a physically separate being from its mother until that time. Personhood at conception is a ridiculous concept as a fetus has no aspects of its existence which can be separated from its mother’s personhood.

  29. I hope you are right about the courts. I am concerned about religious decisions as this administration continues to appoint judges.

    I also feel that personhood begins at birth. There are some that feel the fetus can become conscious prior to birth. I doubt it but it seems there is some medical controversy about this. This still does not establish how we can define personhood.

    The waiting period could be dangerous. The ultra sound and heartbeat are psychological annoyances. These would be attempts by the state to win the favor of the evangelicals.

  30. And their Tenets and philosophy are even better…puts the 10 Commandments to shame !!

  31. If they couldn’t get it through in the reddest state of Texas, I doubt Missouri would be as obliging.

    “The waiting period could be dangerous. The ultra sound and heartbeat are psychological annoyances. These would be attempts by the state to win the favor of the evangelicals”

    The whole point is to attack the resources of poor women who may not have the time or money for multiple clinic visits. The ultrasound provision is to make the visit unnecessarily unpleasant and invasive. Using medical equipment as a torture device.

  32. Actually you made that. inference because you apparently are still unable to say what your church does in response beside condemn. I personally think it is immoral that in the States,a woman should have to choose an abortion because she cannot afford to be pregnant or give birth.

  33. So…very…evil!!! /s

    -One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.

    -The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

    -One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

    -The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.

    -Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.

    -People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.

    -Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word

    https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/tenets

  34. If you want to get the willies, google an image of what a vaginal ultrasound device looks like. Then you get an inkling why doctors don’t want to use it on women unnecessarily.

  35. You linked to food program supplement programs and health care referrals. It is expensive – those who don’t have large costs are those with Cadillac health insurance plans or relatively low costs if eligible for MediAid but still a relatively enormous sum of money.Some states even do not require individual policies to provide insurance for prenatal care and delivery costs.

  36. Fortunately for young teens where you live, your offer of lies and death has been rendered illegal. I am grateful that vulnerable young people are finally protected by law against people like you. Your “advice” has been shown to drive people to suicide. You may think what you like, of course, but you may not predate upon minors. And that’s a wonderful thing.

  37. As I said above, Christ offers them life and normalcy. You offer them death.

  38. Actually, there are many ways to get into that programme and get free food Linda. You would rather babies be murdered though?

  39. The “scientific understanding” of the world says that human life begins at conception. So…I guess these folks don’t really believe in science.

  40. Many do but the money churches get comes from those in the pews, few of whom are rich. None-the-less, those charitable groups providing services are usually Christian so your comment shows ignorance.

  41. You assume incorrectly – my church uses at least 25% of its budget towards helping those marginalized through spending in a number of ways. Not many churches in my community come anywhere close to that. So my question was fair. My guess is that Sandi’s church does nothing.

  42. You don’t seem to be aware that it si expensive in the US to have a delivery in a hospital. Even with insurance. Do adoptees pay for the mother’s health care costs? Besides you miss my point.

    My point is that there is also something dreadfully wrong and immoral where lack of money is a significant influence as to whether someone has an abortion.

  43. Sure, if you give Satan or Brahma or Zeus a try first.

  44. No need to.
    satan is not a god
    Brama or Zeus didn’t die for me.

  45. If you gave them the same honest chance you want us to give your imaginary being, you might find something positive in it too, even if it’s something different from what you’re used to. If not, then you are a hypocrite who won’t do anything that you demand others do. Typical.

  46. Prove to me He is imaginary – especially after He healed my dad of lung cancer.

  47. lol……”-The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.” Who’s definition of “justice”?
    “-One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.” Tell that to a transgender looking for surgery
    “-The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend…”
    Tell that to the next vicim of murder’s family.
    “-Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world….” lol…..remember when they thought the Earth was flat? Also, if one has reached “their best underrstanding…”, would it not be a distortion of the facts to do further research? lol
    “-People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.” Tell that to an aborted baby
    “The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word” So rather than listening to Christ and verifying it through His word, listen to satan and his lies, and hope it is Christ?
    lol……too much!

  48. You don’t understand that sperm are alive, Spud?

  49. Some do fail to develop, but they all started with a live sperm.

  50. This is too hilarious to let go.

    So “flogging the dolphin” is murder to you!

    ROTFLMAO uncontrollably!

  51. Estimates of that ‘some ‘range from 30% to 70%.

  52. Yes I get it. You didnt understand a word of it.

    “So rather than listening to Christ and verifying it through His word, listen to satan and his lies, and hope it is Christ? ”

    Ignorant and malicious cretins calling themselves conservative Christians aren’t doing a favor to the teachings of Jesus. With followers like you, who needs Satan. You do enough evil without a supernatural boogeyman as inspiration.

  53. Awesome news. Missouri has now said that if the woman does not want an ultrasound, she doesn’t have to have it!

  54. Be careful Sandi. Try that illegal garbage with teens and you’re going to jail.

  55. Those who call themselves “Right to Lifers” and only oppose abortion without including opposition to war, the “defense” (read war) budget and capital punishment (read state sponsored murder) are among the worst hypocrites alive.

  56. Acts 5:29 English Standard Version
    But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

  57. Do you realize the phrase “Every sperm is sacred” was meant as being ironic and humorous?

  58. that does not negate the fact that the sperm is alive and something that has grown from an egg and sperm is alive and being murdered.

  59. If his sperm has conceived with an egg inside a woman- yes he is What he is killing is alive

  60. If that is the best maturity level you can reach, that’s fine, but I don’t open links from people I don’t know

  61. probably. I won’t let a child die of suicide because someone wants them to believe your lies. Won’t happen.

  62. Sorry, I don’t read posts from people I don’t know.

  63. Every time you scratch yourself you are killing living cells.

  64. And how do you know what God demands of you and others? Is there any human living now or in the past that is free of bias, prejudice, Ego, that they can tell the rest of us what God demands?The Bible you might say tells us. NO the Bible was written by biased and prejudiced men. Revelation you might say tells us. NO there is no way to tell if a revelation comes from a person’s EGO, Satan or God.

  65. Do you realize how awful what you just said is. God can’t be bothered to save children dying of starvation but he can save your Dad! God can’t be bothered to save children from being blown to bits or save their parents from being blown to bits in front of their children but he can save your Dad!

    You have just condemned the God yo believe in to being a monster.

  66. No. The Bible is the inspired work of God – you know, God’s word

  67. Yes He did save my dad – and praise Him for that.
    No. You have just read into it your lack of education and prejudices.

  68. doesn’t matter. A fetus is going to become a baby

  69. Oh, really? About 20% of the women who become pregnant each year would beg to differ.

  70. I would imagine an oncologist might have been involved in there somewhere…

  71. Which one of those programs continues to work two jobs for her when she’s placed on bed rest or has a c-section?

  72. Well, if you want to get technical about it, no, it’s not. Murder is a legal concept. Abortion is not illegal, therefore abortion cannot be murder.

  73. Only in diagnosis, my friend. Christ did the rest of the work.

  74. Or you can look at reality and say it is murder.

  75. That would be the percentage of pregnancies that end due to spontaneous abortion (AKA miscarriage).

    The fact that a fetus exists does not mean that there will be a living child. And unless that fetus is in YOUR womb, it’s not your decision to make.

  76. just because it miscarries does not mean it isn’t a living child.

  77. Hail Satan! They have won their legal argument of sorts.

    “During oral arguments,
    Missouri’s Solicitor General announced to the State’s Supreme Court that
    ultrasounds are not mandatory to obtain an abortion.”
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/01/satanic-temple-wins-abortion-victory-missouri/#qbYawz0K8qG1hVTo.99

    “Bottom line: By turning the religious
    freedom argument against conservative Christians, The Satanic Temple is
    successfully defending a woman’s right to a safe and legal abortion in
    Missouri.”

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