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For some, the US Embassy’s move to Jerusalem fulfills divine prophecy

U.S. President Trump's daughter Ivanka, left, and U.S. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin unveil a plaque during the opening ceremony of the new US embassy in Jerusalem, on May 14, 2018. Amid deadly clashes along the Israeli-Palestinian border, President Trump's top aides and supporters on Monday celebrated the opening of the new U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem as a campaign promise fulfilled. (Flash90 Photo/Yonatan Sindel via AP)

U.S. President Trump’s daughter Ivanka, left, and U.S. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin unveil a plaque during the opening ceremony of the new U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, on May 14, 2018. Amid deadly clashes along the Israeli-Palestinian border, President Trump’s top aides and supporters on Monday celebrated the opening of the new U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem as a campaign promise fulfilled. (Flash90 Photo/Yonatan Sindel via AP)

JERUSALEM (RNS) — When American and Israeli officials inaugurated the first-ever U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem Monday (May 14) in a festive red, white and blue ceremony, more than 100 evangelical Christians, including former U.S. congresswoman Michele Bachmann, were on hand.

So were scores of American Jews, including Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, many of them Orthodox.

President Trump’s December 2017 decision to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem has spurred criticism from those who believe the decision will impede a broader peace settlement in the Middle East by denying Palestinian claims to the city. It has also brought fears of increased violence. (As of this writing, at least 58 Palestinian deaths have been reported along Israel’s border with Gaza in protests against the embassy’s relocation.)

Palestinian medics and protesters evacuate a wounded youth during a protest at the Gaza Strip’s border with Israel, east of Khan Younis, Gaza Strip, on May 14, 2018. Thousands of Palestinians are protesting near Gaza’s border with Israel, as Israel prepared for the festive inauguration of a new U.S. Embassy in contested Jerusalem. (AP Photo/Adel Hana)

But for some evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews, the embassy’s relocation is not only a smart political move but a fulfillment of divine prophecy. 

“We see the embassy as crucial to God’s timing to bring about the revelation of the messiah,” the Rev. David Swaggerty, the leader of CharismaLife Ministries in Columbus, Ohio, said following a joint Christian-Jewish Bible study session hosted at the Israeli parliament the day before the embassy ceremony.

“For evangelical Christians the embassy move is part of eschatology,” the expectation of what will transpire at the end of times,” explained Rabbi David Rosen, director of the American Jewish Committee‘s Department of Interreligious Affairs. “The return of the Jewish people to their ancestral homeland and the reestablishment of Jewish sovereignty in Jerusalem is seen as a stage ultimately leading to the full messianic era.”

For religious Jews, too, moving the embassy from Tel Aviv represents a step toward redemption and the coming of the messianic era. “Certainly, when the world’s most powerful nation establishes its embassy in our eternal capital, we see the further realization of the ancient prophecy of how we have come home to rejoice in this ancient city,” said Rabbi David Stav, founder of the Tzohar rabbinical organization in Israel.

More than 150 Orthodox Jews and evangelical Christians studied the Hebrew Bible together in the Israeli parliament on May 13, 2018, a day before the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem. RNS photo by Michele Chabin

A major difference between evangelical Christian hopes and Jewish views is timing. Some Christian believers think the final advent is just around the corner, Rosen pointed out, while Jews “recognize that it can take a long time before fruition.”

The time frame has not been an obstacle to shared joy over the embassy move, which has become the latest cause for celebration in a warming trend between the two faith groups over the past few decades.

In 1948, when the United Nations voted to create both a Jewish state and an Arab state, it envisioned Jerusalem as an international city with no particular sovereignty. But after Arab armies attacked the fledgling Jewish state, Israel took control of West Jerusalem and Jordan took control over East Jerusalem.

Israel captured East Jerusalem during the 1967 Middle East war and annexed the disputed territory in 1980, but until December no nation had recognized Israeli sovereignty over any part of the city, which is holy to Jews, Christians and Muslims.

Tommy Waller, an evangelical Christian from Missouri, said his community began to reassess its relationship with the Jewish people after Israel was founded.

Tommy Waller, an evangelical Christian from Missouri, flew to Israel this week to take part in the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem. RNS photo by Michele Chabin

“Until then we were still into replacement theology. We felt that God was punishing the Jews” for not accepting Jesus, he said in an interview at the Knesset, the Israel parliament. “And then Israel was established, exactly where God said it would be established. I see the hand of God in this and the relocation of the embassy.”

Waller is so convinced that Jews have the right to rule Jerusalem and to live in what was once the biblical land of Israel, that he founded Hayovel, an organization that trains Christians to become “positive ambassadors” for Jewish settlements in “Judea and Samaria,” biblical terms for the West Bank.

Swaggerty, the leader of CharismaLife Ministries, said his ministry helps fund the immigration of diaspora Jews to Israel — the ingathering of the Jews to Zion is also an integral part of biblical prophesy — without attempting to convert them to Christianity.

“Proselytizing is not in our vocabulary,” the pastor said emphatically, lest anyone get the idea that his motivation is to convert Jews to Christianity.

Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, founder of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, an organization that seeks to deepen the bonds between evangelical Christians and the Jewish people, said that many Orthodox Jews and evangelical supporters of Israel share a “common spiritual base.”

Once Christians discover the Jewish roots of their Christian faith, Eckstein said, they become eager to reach out to Jews and, often, seek forgiveness for Christian-led persecution.

“For 2,000 years Christians were our enemies. Today we realize that Christians are our best friends. We are all happy about the embassy’s move to Jerusalem,” Eckstein said.

Which is not to say that all religious leaders are rejoicing at the embassy move. The vast majority of Holy Land Christians identify as Palestinians, according to the Pew Research Center, and, like their Muslim counterparts, want East Jerusalem to be the capital of a future Palestinian state.

In a Dec. 6 letter to President Trump, leaders of local Holy Land churches, from Catholic and Orthodox to evangelical, pleaded with the president not to relocate the embassy.

“We are certain that such steps will yield increased hatred, conflict, violence and suffering in Jerusalem and the Holy Land, moving us farther from the goal of unity and deeper toward destructive division,” the leaders said.

The ties between Christians and Jews at the end of the Bible lesson at the Knesset, however, could not have been stronger. Bachmann, the former congresswoman, asked for “forgiveness from the Jewish people for the horrible and arrogant way Christians — myself included — treated and regarded the Jewish people. … I apologize profoundly and ask forgiveness from the Almighty God that these statements brought pain.”

“It has shown me how ignorant I am. I didn’t come here with the answers,” Bachmann told RNS.

Concluding the Knesset event, Rabbi Tuly Weisz, noted how much Christian-Jewish dialog and mutual respect has grown since Israel’s founding. 

“We are walking on a tight bridge and trying to change it into an eight-lane highway. We are in the golden age of Jewish-Christian relations,” Weisz said.

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  • Evangelical Christians – always so certain about everything. Except when they’re wrong. Which happens frequently.

  • AGREED: “The embassy’s relocation is … a fulfillment of divine prophecy.”

    BUT THIS PROPHECY ULTIMATELY, THOUGH: “The nations … will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.” (Revelation 11:2)

  • It’s funny how you don’t really understand the Revelation of John of Patmos. It isn’t a profess of some kind about the future, it was a coded message to his fellow Christians regarding their current situation under the Roman Empire.

    What folks do it the Near East today has nothing to do with Christianity.

  • If the Old Testament is accurate, the original Israelite invasion of Canaan involved a whole lot of slaughter of the locals – men, women, children. Over the past 30 years, that has begun again and is continuing today. Evidently, the “saved by Jesus! saved by Jesus!’ crowd consider this prophetic repeat of the original slaughter just collateral damage in the fulfillment of scripture. And as icing on the Evangelical cake, it is all part of God’s plan to use His faithful servant, Trump, to Make America White Again.

  • i love how the 58 lives that were snuffed out today was a footnote in the story. Of course Evangelicals have long supported snuffing out the lives of Palestinian people in order to give their land to the Jewish people. Evangelicals do not care that Palestinians endure collective punishment and human rights abuses at the hands of Israel. Palestinian lives are of no human value to Evangelicals.

  • Always nice to see American evangelicals cheering for the Jews they want to see burn in Hell.

  • And in the end, they don’t really care about Jewish lives either. All they want is for Israel to “exist” so the prophecies about its destruction and the End Times can come true. Truly a sick, sociopathic cult, these evangelicals.

  • Idiots (i.e. protestants) who constantly refer to themselves as ‘Biblical Christians’…aren’t.

  • Yes, fools are scary. Especially when their ridiculous beliefs are turned into public policy.

  • I already knew fundies have no regard for human life. Thanks for confirming it to everyone else.

  • Until the Messiah comes. Then they all need to die and go to hell according to your belief.

    A generation ago you guys were more honest and obvious about your feelings for the Jews aand Israel.

  • That would sound more impressive if gullible kooks hadn’t been saying the same thing for thousands of years.

  • Bible says God gave a very specific piece of land — a promised land, even — for the nation of Israel. Check.

    Bible also says God specifically said Jerusalemis the capital of Israel. Check.

    So, since there are no God-hating Anti-Semites in this discussion forum, what’s the problem folks?

  • Their “God” apparently revels in bloodshed — in trouncing enemies.

    “He” seems to bathe in the blood of “His” enemies, and to choose particular nations — Israel, the U.S. — as “His” very own, belying all the statements in scripture that tell us God’s house will be a house of prayer for ALL people, and God’s statement to Jonah that God has concern even for the very cattle in a “pagan” city.

    Why anyone would imagine a “God” like this, who is ravenous for the blood of perceived “enemies” and who plays favorites with select groups of human beings, is worthy of adoration is beyond me to understand.

    “Any doctrine of Grace holding that only a certain community will be saved begins in intolerance and continues in persecution.”

    ~ James Buchan, “Crowded with Genius: The Scottish Enlightenment, Edinburgh’s Moment of the Mind” (NY: HarperCollins, 2003), p. 59

  • But it doesn’t seem to slow them down, does it?

    The two-nation approach now appears to be firmly at an end and the Palestinians face some hard choices.

  • Sad days for the gospel. Christian zionism has so little to do with the teaching of Jesus and everything to do with cut-and-paste biblical hermeneutic that bolsters geo-political ideologies that have little to do with the justice and nonviolent peace that the Hebrew prophets envisioned and Jesus realized. Let’s pray for the Christians of the Holy Land, abandoned and betrayed by their evangelical sisters and brothers in the US, and for the unarmed protesters of Gaza gunned down by the “most moral army in the world.” Lord have mercy.

  • Deceived so-called Christians are leading millions into perdition. It was not any Christian that killed Jews. True Christians are peaceful, loving and generous people who lift up Jesus Christ as the Only Savior of the world. Christians were slaughtered by the same power that persecuted the Jews…the Roman Papacy, the antiChrist of Bible prophecy, masquerading as the church of Christ. While pretending to bring about peace, she’s preparing to institute a regime that would make the Holocaust (her baby)looks like child’s play

  • No one forced them to throw Molotov cocktails at Israel, wait, their terrorist leaders did.

  • The evangelicals believe they can force the hand of God by precipitating events on Earth such as the re-establishment of Israel and the birth of a “perfect” heifer. Just when will the rest of the world realize these zealots are a clear & present danger and their fanatic religious/political rants should be reigned in?

  • “Christian” Zionism AKA “Christian” Nationalism/white supremacy has nothing to do with the teachings of the Christ.

  • Isn’t that supposed to herald the end of the world and the deaths of billions of innocent people?

  • Well, guess what? This is God’s world, not ours. Many people are big sinners, they ignore God and do not follow his laws. He’s gonna have to purge the world and start anew….I don’t blame him. The world is sick.

  • Actually what is scary are fools like you who do not believe….we are here for a reason…to honor God. What the hell is the purpose of life then???

  • So you’re cheering for the end of the world and death of all humanity and end of all life on Earth? Just to be crystal clear on the matter.

  • Sorry, Jesus told me he’s not coming right away and he wishes you Fundies would get on with your lives and stop spouting nonsense.

  • I dated a Catholic Arab gal born in Bethlehem after she earned a graduate degree in the USA. This was back in 1974. She told me that Arab citizens of Israel were treated in the same way as Blacks had been treated in the USA, namely, as second-class citizens.

  • I have had relatives visit Israel and report the same.

    The 70-year history of violence has ended any shot at reconciliation IMHO.

  • So, the prophecy is fulfilled. What is the next step in this sequence? Bomb somebody? Suspension of the Constitution and imposition of martial law? Do we need to invade and occupy someone, or is Jesus now set to come back any day now?

  • If so, then have the heavens been shaken, the Times of the Gentiles fulfilled, and Christ Jesus returned? Like I said, this is just the beginning of the end. Lots still to come!

    For according to Luke 21:23-27 (talked about in Revelation 11:2): “There will be great distress upon the land and wrath to the people; and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and JERUSALEM WILL BE TRAMPLED UNDER FOOT BY THE GENTILES until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. … The powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.”

  • I think the white Evangelicals who believe that the State of Israel is some fulfillment of prophecy setting in motion the End Times are the actual minority.

    The majority of Christians in this world don’t cotton to those fantasies.

  • So you haven’t read what Jesus had to say about calling other folks fools. Or you choose not to believe that part?

    Mt 5:22, so you don’t have to search for it!

  • “For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” That includes you my dear.

  • You are unaware of many things. One can figure that out by the smart comeback that I expect.

  • I will never understand why Christians insist on worshipping a being whose express purpose is the destruction of the Earth and the annihilation of the human race. You may as well worship Cthulhu. The end result would be the same.

  • Spud, are you pro abortion or pro choice?

    I’m pro choice. I don’t think Bobby Boy is aware that there is a vast difference.

  • You are but a fragment of the world’s Christians who believe that is about to happen big boy. Oh, and the Mormons as well, but they think that it’s only for them and not for you guys.

  • Back in 1974 I was acquainted with a group of young immigrants from Israel that had grown up in a kibbutz. They had formed a worker controlled restaurant in DC serving Jewish meals. They explained that their reason for emigrating was the hypocrisy of the humanistic egalitarian teachings they received from elders and the way these elders treated the Arabs.

  • 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

    John 7:13 Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews. John 9:22 These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

    John 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

    John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

  • And you are unaware of many things, which one can figure out by reading your posts.

  • The difference is you say poe tah toe and he says poe tay toe. In the end they wind up gone.

  • “It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable. The Lord shall return the Arabs’ deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world.” — (Israel’s Chief Sephardic Rabbi, Ovadiah Yosef.) ♦ “waste their seed” is a reference to Palestinian children.

    800,000 Israelies, or 16 percent of the Jewish population of that country—turned up to pay their respects at the funeral Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel, Ovadiah Yosef, making it the largest funeral in Israeli history. The man they chose to honour promoted wholesale genocide of the Palestinians.

  • Speaking of sick and sociopathic, the bigoted, and hate filled views of former Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel, Ovadiah Yosef, were republished by the official Jewish Telegraphic Agency.
    ♦ “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel.”
    ♦ “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat,” he said to laughter during a weekly sermon.
    ♦ “With gentiles, it will l be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.

  • Lets put it this way, I believe only the pregnant woman has any say over the decision to keep it. Abortion should be accessible and safe. How would you classify that?

  • “The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races…and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this New World Order the Children of Israel…will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition…” – Karl Marx in a letter to Baruch Levy, Reprinted in the Review de Paris, June 1, 1928
    “In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a Shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind.” ~ (David Ben Gurion, Israel’s first Prime Minister, Look magazine, 1962).

    “federated union of all continents” — A very clear description of globalist union, global order!
    “this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind.” — pretty clear that this is where the “federated union of all continents” will be governed from, the seat of the Antichrist.
    “Jerusalem” — So we know the city where this “Supreme Court of Mankind,” i.e. the central government overseeing the “federated union of all continents” will be based.

  • Well, Christians warmed us for 2000 years that the antichrist was on his way. When he showed up, the conservatives voted for him.

    So yes.

  • Pro-choice, the right for the woman, in consultation with her doctor and anyone else whom she chooses, to make her own decisions about her health.

  • Plus abortion should be accessible without onerous non medical related restrictions. A right which is made impossible to exercise effectively is no right at all.

  • Michelle Chabin writes in her article that

    “(As of this writing, at least 58 Palestinian deaths have been reported along Israel’s border with Gaza in protests against the embassy’s relocation.)”

    And Hamas itself has proclaimed that 50 of those 58 dead are members of Hamas, in the current round of Muslim terrorist-incited anti-Jewish rioting, centered around the 70th anniversary of the rebirth of Israel as a nation – a Jewish state.

  • Which automatically eliminates sodomy, masturbation, polygamy, polyamory, pedophilia, ephebophilia, adultery, pre-marital sexual intercourse, extra-marital sexual intercourse, “scissoring,” fellatio, cunnilingus, the whole brutal panoply of actions which fall under the anagram of BDSM, and a host of other perversions of the God-given gift of human sexuality.

  • 50 of those human beings killed are members of the Muslim terrorist group Hamas – shot in “targeted kills” by the Israeli Defense Force.

    An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. And anti-Jewish, pro-Muslim terrorism is met with equal force.

  • That’s not an “it” in the mother’s womb.
    That’s a “he” or a “she” – another human being, whom the mother collaborated to conceive.

    Does a mother have an absolute right to kill her child – a fellow human being, remember – whenever she wishes, for whatever reason she wishes?

  • Well that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. When you become pregnant, you can abide by such sentiments. What you are not entitled to is any say on the subject for anyone else. Its not your body. The fetus doesn’t belong to you either unless its in your womb, Dominic.

    “Does a mother have an absolute right to kill her child – a fellow human being, remember – whenever she wishes, for whatever reason she wishes?”

    Children are born. So the question is inapplicable here. Fetus worshiping rhetoric involves dishonestly conflating a fetus with the born. Using inappropriate and flat out wrong words to describe them. All in an effort to deny the existence or importance of the pregnant woman.

    A mother has an absolute right to terminate her pregnancy. She bears 100% of the physical burdens of it in a way no other human being can. So nobody else has any rightful claim to the fetus. That doesn’t go away until birth. No matter how you want to classify the fetus, that burden exists and therefore so does the choice whether to keep it.

    You have no say in the matter. It is not your body, therefore your opinion is of no consequence in such decisions. Nobody needs to consult with you or ask your permission for such things. You don’t have to like the decision, but it is never yours to make.

  • So that leaves the additional heart, legs, arms, DNA, brain and nervous system, and so on in her womb out of it?

    If not, your definition of pro-choice looks a lot like propaganda and very little like anything else.

  • What’s morally wrong with fellatio and cunnilingus as long as the couple culminate their lovemaking in “the act”, i.e., sexual intercourse? (ANSWER: Nothing, per Catholic teaching.) What’s wrong with masturbation? (ANSWER: It frustrates the purpose of sexual intercourse, at least as far as Rome is concerned, even though most Christians comprising the Church of Christ think otherwise, notwithstanding the teaching of hierarchs “stuck on stuck” in their viewpoint that we need more people in the world, just as the ancients needed more people, especially males who could farm or fight.)

  • So if I’m a mere “fragment of the world’s Christians who believe [Luke 21:23-27 and Revelation 11:2] is about to happen” – future sense – what does that make you who believe Luke 21:23-27 and Revelation 11:2 were – past tense – “a coded message to [John of Patmos’] fellow Christians regarding their current situation under the Roman Empire”?

    Let me guess: a mere “fragment of the world’s Christians” AS WELL?

    And how is this the crux of your argument? Is this how you practice the art of persuasion these days?

  • I’m not optimistic. I see no real chance for peace unless Israel forces Jewish settlers out of the West Bank and somehow accommodates a shared capital with Palestinians in Jerusalem. Even in this scenario, there will remain hardliners on both sides continually trying to frustrate peace-building.

  • No, I stand firmly in the majority of the world’s Christians who don’t believe in the End Times drama that you follow; Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Old Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, etc. Easily 85% or more of the 2+ billion Christians in the world.

    “The Zionists want to rule the earth. To achieve their ends they use black magic and satanism. They regard satan-worship as a means to gain the strength they need to carry out their plans. They want to rule the earth using satanic power. God is not something they take into account. One sign that the fulfillment of prophecy is near will be the destruction of the Mosque of Omar in Jerusalem. They’ll destroy it in order to restore the Temple of Solomon which used to be on the same place. IN THE END THE JEWS WILL PRONOUNCE THE ANTICHRIST MESSIAH IN THIS REBUILT TEMPLE. The rabbis know that the true Messiah has already come and that they crucified Him. They know this, and yet they are blinded by egotism and fanaticism.” — Orthodox Christian Saint Paisios

    “In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a Shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind.” ~ (David Ben Gurion, Israel’s first Prime Minister, Look magazine, 1962).

  • Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and Romans 1:26-27 all define homosexaulity as a sin, an abomination, stating that those who participate in homosexual acts won’t inherit the kingdom of God.

    Effeminate – Strong’s Concordance Number: G3120, found in 1 Corinthians 6:9

    Bible Usage: effeminate soft.
    Part of Speech: Adjective
    Strongs Definition: soft that is fine (clothing); figuratively a catamite
    Thayers Definition:
    1. soft, soft to the touch
    2. metaph. in a bad sense
    a. effeminate
    1. of a catamite
    2. of a boy kept for homosexual relations
    with a man
    3. of a male who submits submits his body to
    unnatural lewdness
    4. of a male prostitute

  • The Arabs have had 70 years to make peace with Israel. Having failed to avail themselves, moving the embassy takes away a much-abused bargaining chip. Likewise, it is Arab irredentism, not the embassy move, that caused the vast majority of the deaths along the border. Those were card-carrying Hamas with a few civilians-as-shields.

  • Wrong answer! TRUTH IS:

    (1) “The virtual theology which surrounds premillennialism is today stronger and more widely spread than at any time in history.”

    (2) “58% of white evangelical Christians say Jesus Christ will definitely or probably return to earth in this period … Catholics (32%), … white mainline Protestants (27%) and the religiously unaffiliated (20%) predict Jesus Christ’s return to earth. … Those with no college experience (59%) … those with some college experience (35%) and college graduates (19%) … expect Jesus Christ’s return. … Those in the South (52%) … predict a Second Coming by 2050.”

    Source: (1) Robert K. Whalen, “Premillennialism” in Richard A. Landes, editor, The Encyclopedia of Millennialism and Millennial Movements, Routledge, 2000, page 332. (2) The Pew Research Center survey quoted in Joe Carter, “Jesus Is Coming Back When? A Crash Course In Evangelical Views of Eschatology”, First Things, July 22, 2010.

  • Married to each other, forsaking all others, till death does them part, to clarify further.

  • The fact that (in 2000) “premillennialism is today stronger and more widely spread than at any time in history.” Doesn’t mean that a majority of Christians in the world believe in it.

    The Pew Research is about the US, not the world.

    Believing that Christ will return at some time doesn’t mean someone believes in premillennialism and everything glommed onto that belief.

  • Again wrong answer! Again TRUTH IS:

    “Throughout the 19th century, premillennialism continued to gain wider acceptance in both the US and in Britain, particularly among the Irvingites, Plymouth Brethren, Christadelphians, Church of God, Christian Israelite Church. Premillennialism continues to be popular among Evangelical, Fundamentalist Christian, and Living Church of God communities in the 20th and 21st centuries, EXPANDING FURTHER INTO THE CHURCHES OF ASIA, AFRICA AND SOUTH AMERICA.”

    I’ve given you now 3 sources to back up my statement, so now it’s your turn to provide me your sources for your claim that “the majority of the world’s Christians … don’t believe in the End Times drama that [I, a historic premillennial, anti-ChristianZionist] follow; Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Old Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, etc. Easily 85% or more of the 2+ billion Christians in the world.”

    I know you have no research findings to support that statement, so now I’m calling your stuffy bluff. Go to it. You have 24 hours.

    Source: Robert K. Whalen, “Dispensationalism”
    in Richard A. Landes, editor, The Encyclopedia of Millennialism and Millennial Movements, Routledge, 2000, page 128; cf. Wikipedia.

  • Whatever is mutually acceptable between a husband and wife is morally licit,it doesnt matter if the seed is spilled or not outside the vagina.Most ejaculation in the vagina does not result in procreation anyways.To obsess over each climax in marriage is absurd.Hang up about sexuality are from a clerical celibate caste system that for centuries hailed sex in marriage a necesaary evil tainted with some sin.Its a long hangover from the manichaesm of a lot of early church fathers

  • The problem is that you’re too unenlightened on your subject that you don’t even realize that the 19th Century was the 1800s and those were tiny churches back then that even hardly exist today.

    You can verify these memberships on Wikipedia.

    Roman Catholics don’t believe in premillennialism – they number 1.2+ billion members currently.

    Orthodox folks don’t believe in premillennialism – they number 250 million members currently.

    Lutherans don’t believe in premillennialism – they number 80 million members today.

    Anglicans don’t believe in premillennialism – they number 85 million currently.


    Adventists, the folks in the world who believe in premillennialism – number 22 million in the world today.

    I’m weary of your false claims and I’m moving on.

  • RFI #002

    Citation needed – PRETTY PLEASE – for your claim that “the majority of the world’s Christians … don’t believe in the End Times drama that [I, a historic premillennial, anti-ChristianZionist] follow; Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Old Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, etc. Easily 85% or more of the 2+ billion Christians in the world.”

    Deadline: Extended for another 24 hours. GO.

  • I can’t say I disagree with you, and, as you’ve suggested, God may be the biggest abortionist of them all.

  • Sex? How does that work in the Christian faith? If you sinless let’s start a new World movement. St LauraB Church of the Living LauraB.

  • So let’s see how scary LauraB can be with her beating up on the rest of us with her God and Jesus. If seemingly true to her nature she’ll call me scary, a fool and more all in one post.

  • Israel!! This revelation of the messiah will be the antichrist and he will deceive you. You had a messiah and you rejected him, his name was Jesus.

  • If you hate TRUMP so much and it’s evident you hate America too since we have been doing better than ever in history,,, why don’t you just pack up ” You,,, Your Crap,,, and the other Traitors in your family and move to some other country,,, you know,,,one that suits a traitor it wont hurt our feelings Really,,, in fact we see it as helping to make America great again……….