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What Richard Dawkins doesn’t get about the Muslim call to prayer

Muslim women offer prayers in 2011. Photo by Glenn Halog/Creative Commons

(The Conversation) — Richard Dawkins, the evolutionary biologist, unapologetic atheist and author of “God Delusion,” recently tweeted a picture of himself in front of the Winchester Cathedral in England, which said,

This lit a twitterstorm of tens of thousands of retweets and replies. Numerous news outlets around the world posted opinion pieces, critiques and analyses of his tweets. To correct, or perhaps clarify his initial tweet, Dawkins then retweeted

Both supporters and critics again filled his Twitter threads with heated comments.

This is not the first time the Muslim call to prayer has been misconstrued or that Muslims have been attacked for their prayer practices around the world. Muslims have been checked from praying in countries such as Switzerland, France, India and Israel.

Suspicions around Muslim prayers

The Muslim call to prayer in Istanbul.


There is a long history of opposition to public airings of the Muslim call to prayer. Starting in 2004, many of the longtime Polish Catholic residents of Hamtramck, Michigan, expressed vehement opposition to the call to prayer being aired publicly. This dispute continues until today.

This is not the only one. In 2015, Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham and well-known evangelical leader, tweeted his opposition to Duke University’s plans to allow prayers, which included “Muslim prayers,” as part of its ongoing commitment to creating a pluralistic campus.

In a 2016 incident, a Muslim student who was praying in the library of the University of Central Florida was singled out as a threat.

In my ongoing research that looks at Muslim experiences of ritual practices in the U.S., I’ve spoken to Muslims who are forced to hide their prayer practices from colleagues at work. Many of them delay their prayers when out in public because of fear of being attacked.

Part of the suspicion comes from the fact that the prayer words “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is the greatest,” is associated with suicide bombers and other extremists. Indeed, film studies scholar Corey Creekmur surveyed Hollywood’s “war on terror” films and found that nearly all films invoking Islam or the Middle East include the call to prayer in the background. Creekmur argues that these films create an insidious connection between the call to prayer and political violence.

What many do not understand is the history and poetry in the Muslim way of praying.

Beauty of the Muslim prayer

It is believed that Prophet Muhammad received the words of the call from God through the archangel Gabriel. The Quran, which Muslims believe to be the direct words of God, commands Muslims to pray five times a day.

The Islamic prayer.


Many Muslims organize their days around the call to prayer and others stop what they are doing during the call and make supplications to God.

The Muslim call to prayer can be heard through loudspeakers mounted on minarets in the streets of Istanbul, Jakarta and Sarajevo in melodic tones that beckon worshippers to the mosque.

The first Muslim to ever recite the call to prayer was Bilal Ibn Rabah, son of an enslaved Abyssinian woman, in the city of Medina in the seventh century. At the time, early Muslims were debating the best way to audibly announce the time for prayer so people would know when to gather at the mosque.

There is a science of reciting the prayers, called tajwid in Arabic. Ethnomusicologist Kristina Nelson explains how professional reciters use melody to reflect the emotions and teachings of the sacred text. Tapping into the underlying message of the Quran, reciters can evoke piety and remembrance of God in their listeners.

For more than a millennium, Muslim poets have described their experience of the prayer. American Muslim poet Daniel Abdal-Hayy Moore, for example, recalls his practice of prayer as being able to experience God in an intimate way. Throughout his writings, 13th-century Persian Sufi poet Rumi fondly describes prayer as a direct door to God’s presence, offering spiritual delights. He says,

“The delight I feel in the ritual prayer, The window of my soul opens, and from the purity of the Unseen World, the Book of God comes to me straight.”

Prayers for peace

Across religions, prayer has been found to have a calming effect on practitioners. Islamic prayer is no different. In my work, American Muslims have explained that prayer takes away their worries and brings them peace. It also brings families and entire communities together, connecting them to the Islamic holy book, the Quran, and God.

So, the next time you hear a Muslim call to prayer, do remember, it is simply the Islamic way to remind us of the divine.

Rose S. Aslan is an assistant professor of religion at California Lutheran University

This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article.

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  • I’m not going to disagree with Richard Dawkins since I happen to be one who prefers the lovely sound of church bells over a recorded male voice which is then crudely amplified over a loudspeaker. But there are those who will disagree with him. A few years back I read about a conflict that had arisen between Grace Episcopal Church in downtown Providence, RI, a place I used to live, and a nearby boutique hotel that had just opened in the area. For many years Grace Church had played the famous Westminster peal on their set of bells every fifteen minutes. When the new hotel opened up the guests complained of not being able to sleep during the day because of the sound of the bells, so some accommodation had to be made. Now the bells only ring the full Westminster peal at the top of the hour with only a single strike at the half hour and nothing at the 15 and 45 minute mark as had been done for generations.

    The lesson here is that sometimes religions have to learn to adapt to the wider secular culture if they expect to be taken seriously. Shoving things down the throats of non-religious folk is not likely to win converts. Muslims can get away with a loud call to prayer over a loudspeaker five times a day in predominantly Muslim countries. Try that in a crowded western city and the result would likely be the same as what happened in Providence.

  • A twelve-volume set could be written about what Richard Dawkins doesn’t get, and it would hardly scratch the surface.

  • That’s now a lovely corner, with the Tilden Thurber building being a fantastic reek Emporium, deli. The only other plce this emporium exists is in Athens. As for the bells, the Anglican tradition favors compromise, lol.

  • I’m waiting for a rapper to come out with a Muslim call to prayer rap set against the Westminster Peal (rapped up). Rap is the way to broaden the American way and religious liberty.

  • One of the few peaceful moments during my deployment to the Persian Gulf was sitting beside the Dubai River listening to the call to prayer. It was absolutely beautiful to stop and take a breather watching the faithful shutter their shops and make their way to the mosques.

  • Broadcasting the call to prayer in a civilization prior to the widespread use of clocks then wrist watches and now cell phones and other devices could be understood as necessary. That was also the purpose of church bells.

    What does the practice serve today? Is it necessary? Or is it an annoyance to those that don’t practice that religion?

    As someone said below religions need to be able to adjust with the times.

  • Richard Dawkins, still giving atheists a reason to face palm.

    Like Noam Chomsky, once he starts talking outside his own area of academic expertise, self-important silliness ensues.

  • “So, the next time you hear a Muslim call to prayer, do remember, it is simply the Islamic way to remind us of the divine.”

    The next time I hear someone shouting “Allah hu akbar”, I am more likely to reach for a weapon to defend myself with.

  • The calls to prayer are eerily beautiful.
    My first experience hearing them was being deployed outside a medium sized town. We moved into position in the middle of the night. Mind you, this was our first night in the field; so we were on edge. At dawn, the call to prayer went off. For a moment we thought an attack was coming.
    It’s funny now – not so much then.
    I did learn to appreciate the live vs recorded versions.

  • Asked and answered.

    If I call someone useless I don’t agree with them. You should know that by now. 🙂

    Now respond to this:

    Lalla Ward’s stint on Doctor Who was one of the best of the classic series.

  • you didn’t answer why you didn’t like what he said… you mentioned some face palm and diverted to an attractive female.

  • Its a given that I won’t like what the guy says. They guy is notorious for saying stupid and offensive things in public. Its my default mode when discussing Dawkins.

    He is Atheism’s answer to the curmudgeonly uncle you invite to Thanksgiving out of family obligation.

    Of course I diverted to Lalla Ward. She is far more interesting. I also found it funny that the person who introduced her to Richard Dawkins was none other than author SF Humorist Douglas Adams.

  • Ok. Still skirting the issue. So you didn’t like that he referenced the Muslim call to prayers – correct?

  • I am giving you direct answers. You are being silly. Don’t even need to be specific.

    Richard Dawkins gets public notice for saying something stupid and facepalmworthy is a given.

  • Saving any more verbiage about Islam and its practices:

    From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi————–

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using “The 77 Branches of Islamic “faith” a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true “faith” (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings.” i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    “1. Belief in Allah”

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

    “2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence.”

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the “Gib Gnab” (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the “akas” for Allah should be included if you continue to be a “creationist”.

    “3. To believe in the existence of angels.”

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No “pretty/ugly wingy thingies” ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as fairies and “tinker bells”. Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

    “4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore.”

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the uneducated masses in line. Today we call them fortune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invalidated by the natural gifts of Free Will and Future.

    “5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone.”

    Mohammed spent thirty days “fasting” (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a “pretty wingy thingy”. Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic violence i.e. turning Mohammed’s “fast, hunger-driven” hallucinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the “two-minute” cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

  • Not by my account. I’m not familiar with his work. What exactly did he say that bothered you? Or, are you saying that everything he says is bad? Except that God doesn’t exist.

  • ” Or, are you saying that everything he says is bad?”

    Bingo. Unless its a scientific work of course in his field of study. Since he is objectively an expert there.

    “Except that God doesn’t exist.”

    Its his personal belief. There is nothing correct or incorrect about that. So I make no comment as to that. That would be the kind of rude thing a Bible thumper does. 🙂

  • Hmmmmm…. interesting. Not sure you’re being entirely consistent. I’m not sure you’d be as forgiving to discount the stupidity of what trump or some Christian pastor says.
    But since you pivoted to the guys x-wife; I spose I’ll let you off easy. Although, it’s rather trumplike of you to view females only for their looks. 🙂
    Later.

  • I can imagine Dawkins growing increasingly uneasy having a wife whose first name sounds like “Allāh”.

  • What can I say. I am more honest about my position and personal tastes than you are. You follow a party line and make excuses for people who are embarrassing yet congruent with your views. I am not willing to do that here.

    I clearly have far more independence of thought than you do. Which is why it puzzles you so much.

  • Omg…
    On another note, I just saw that your boys at antifa took over the Portland office of ice and took down the American flag and raised an antifa flag. Are you seriously for this type of stuff?

  • So how many people have ever been seriously injured or killed by Antifa? Zero.

    How many people have been killed by Trump’s most vocal support group, white supremacists since 9/11: over 70 and counting.

    Antifa is beer league. White Supremacists are the face of conservatives
    https://www.businessinsider.com/white-nationalists-running-for-office-in-2018-2018-5

    Considering the last time you brought them up about Portland was to lie and cover up for a riot started by White Supremacists, I would say your recall of events cannot be taken at face value.

  • And now for some reality:

    From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi————–

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using “The 77 Branches of Islamic “faith” a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true “faith” (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings.” i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    “1. Belief in Allah”

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

    “2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence.”

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the “Gib Gnab” (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the “akas” for Allah should be included if you continue to be a “creationist”.

  • “3. To believe in the existence of angels.”

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No “pretty/ugly wingy thingies” ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as fairies and “tinker bells”. Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

    “4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore.”

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the uneducated masses in line. Today we call them fortune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invalidated by the natural gifts of Free Will and Future.

  • “5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone.”

    Mohammed spent thirty days “fasting” (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a “pretty wingy thingy”. Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic violence i.e. turning Mohammed’s “fast, hunger-driven” hallucinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the “two-minute” cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

  • What can I say, the fact you claim to be more honest about your position and personal tastes certainly supports the conclusion that your delusions are untreatable.

  • I admire Richard Dawkins. He is one of the most eminent biological scientists. He has been instrumental in advancing the understanding of evolutionary science by laymen. He has taken time from his area of academic expertise to oppose the fundamentalist movement to discredit science and rationality. His name has been made a derogatory term, like “liberal” by them. This is because he and the “New Atheists” present rational arguments that are dangerous to Evangelicals. He has developed an expertise as an author and social activist which, again, I admire. I also don’t think Noam Chomsky should be limited to linguistics.

  • The answer is still ZERO.

    Antifa has a way to go before even coming close to matching the threat to our nation from domestic terrorism by Trump’s most loyal and devoted supporters, white supremacists.

    Of course the best way to take thunder away from antifascists is to openly opposed fascists like neo nazis. No fa = no antifa. But where would conservatives be without them?

  • That is a perfectly positive street action. To insult ICE and the flag of the country that employs them is brave and compassionate. They effectively accomplished this without violence which shows their character. Your boys of Patriot Prayer are supporting ICE with violence against ANTIFA. At a time when fascist policies are being implemented by this government and spreading through the political right, and accepted by Evangelicals, the actions of ANTIFA are a hopeful beginning of opposition.

  • No he didn’t.

    Christian fundies love quote mining and lying about what people say and do. Especially when it comes to atheists. So pardon me if I dismiss you out of hand since you are without a source to back up your assertions.

  • Taking over government buildings (Portland) is what terrorists do. I find it interesting that your definition of brave and compassionate is threatening violence in someones workplace. I applaud the restraint of the law enforcement officers who didn’t use violence to protect government facilities.
    They should have been shot on site.

  • Dude – why so crabby today? I thought we were keeping it light with Mrs dr who….
    When you go to the gas station to get your cup of coffee, pick up a sense of humor. Jeesh…

  • “This is because he and the “New Atheists” present rational arguments that are dangerous to Evangelicals. ”

    I find that approach overly smug and misses the point. Religious belief is never rational by nature to begin with. So it can’t really be dissuaded by rational approaches.

    There is nobody more irrational than a fundamentalist believer. So it has the least effect on them. There is too much nonsense and dishonesty with Evangelicals to be affected by fact based and logical argument forms.

    I find efforts to show the acts of pointless, destructive nature of fundamentalist belief to be a more fruitful pursuit. I don’t care what people believe, I just want them to play nice with others.

  • As an anarchist during the ninety’s, we did include anti-fascist actions in our program. Due to lack of fascists we had very few such actions. Instead we fed and housed the homeless, struggled against police brutality, supported political prisoners, and organized demonstrations against neoliberal globalization.

  • The actual fascists are the ones running around in black masks telling people what they can and cannot say.
    Take three steps back from your hatred of trump and take a look at what is really occurring.
    Other than the racists in Charlottesville, your average conservative isn’t looking for trouble. Even during the tea party days; those were peaceful events/demonstrations.
    Compare that to antifa who wear masks and riot and destroy city streets- it is night and day. Plus, explain why conservative speakers are either not allowed to speak on college campuses or need police protection in order to do so.
    Be very careful sir of who you allign yourself with; and more importantly, actually understand the terms you are heaping on others.

  • I disagree. Pointing out the pointless, destructive nature of their belief system will only make them defensive and angry. There have been many conversions by students who go to a non religious university. Students in secular high schools also sometimes convert. They become skeptical on their own without the emotional anger that occurs in discussion. This is often difficult because they know they will loose the respect of friends and family. Fear of this is also an important reason why parents support home schooling or fundamentalist schools.

    This is why I believe the works of the “New Atheists” are valuable. I discarded belief in Christianity when I was 11 years old. I accepted evolution in that we were descended from animals. However I didn’t have a scientific understanding of natural selection. At the beginning of this century I was involved with an internet discussion board that among other things was discussing evolution. It was suggested that I read the “Blind Watchmaker”. This book was enlightening to me.
    It was published before Dawkins began his war with Christianity. Since then I have been fascinated with the science of evolution. I have been protesting the protesters at a Planned Parenthood clinic. Pastors and some church members try to debate me with creationism and other foolish beliefs. What I have learned from the “New Athiests” is very helpful.

  • You need to find out what a fascist is. Then compare this to the goals of the Trump Administration and see if you really want a fascist government.

  • You like to cherry pick one group of extremists in one city. I don’t condone violence by anyone protesting.
    During the Obama years, the tea party rallied/protested throughout the country. They were patriotic family events for the most part. No masks. No violence. No conflicts with the police. No burning garbage cans nor breaking of store windows.
    Compare this to antifa- masks, bats, molotov cocktails, taking over and shutting down government buildings.
    As I said to the other guy; be very careful who you align yourself with. Trump will be gone in 4/8 years; but these terrorists will not.

  • I agree that it is necessary to point out the dangers of fundamentalism. Since I wish to see humanity survive, I do care about what beliefs people have and act upon. Showing the dangers and foolishness of fundamentalist beliefs can be effective with others but not the fundamentalists, who will likely become angry and more determined.

    I don’t think we should give up on the fundamentalists. I think we should respect their humanity while recognizing that they are deranged. The alternatives would be accepting their destruction of our society, or war and violence.

    Psychologically many people may have a closed belief system, but can be rational except where rationality conflicts with those beliefs. If they learn to be skeptical, they can convince themselves to examine and change their beliefs.

    From what I have said above, I may sound like I accept all of Dawkins social opinions. I don’t like church bells or the call to prayer. I think his promotion of the Bright movement is silly. Still overall I respect both his scientific career, his educational writings, and his social activism.

  • “You like to cherry pick one group of extremists in one city. ”

    No Sparky you did. I merely responded to it.

    “I don’t condone violence by anyone protesting”

    You do, and you have.

    You intentionally turned a blind eye to white supremacist agitators to focus on those reacting to them. You wildly overreact to vandalism whole assenting to those who murder as a matter of course.

    The casual dogwhistle racism of the TP has given way to outright Neo nazis representing the face of conservatives.

    Again ANTIFA is a nothing group used for making convenient excuses to growing white supremacist presence among mainstream conservatives.

    Trump will be gone in two years or less, but the damage is done. The GOP have itself over to extremists. Any credibility it had in representing our nation and people is a distant memory.

  • Antifa is a nothing group….
    Hmmmm…. where have I heard that before?? Oh yeah, “ISIS is nothing… there like the JV team…”

    Be careful who you support my friend…

  • JAN. 27, 2014
    Obama Likens ISIS to ‘J.V. Team’
    President Obama described the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, as the Sunni militant group was widely known at the time, as a junior varsity basketball team, playing down the strategic threat posed by the ISIS, compared with Al Qaeda.

    “The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a J.V. team puts on Lakers uniforms, that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,” Mr. Obama told David Remnick of The New Yorker.

  • Oh. I stand corrected. I’m not familiar with the struggle of the electronic design engineer.

  • LOL! You had to go back pretty far for that. Way to bullshift there.

    Of course it doesn’t help you at all that all the work done to defeat them was done under the same guy.

    Trump Takes Too Much Credit on ISIS
    https://www.factcheck.org/2018/03/trump-takes-too-much-credit-on-isis/
    “The offensive to recapture ISIS’ de facto capital city of Raqqa began in November 2016, under Obama”

    Any other rabbit holes you want me to follow you down?

    Of course you still need to polish the GOP terd of the record numbers of Nazis running for office within that party.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/white-nationalists-running-for-office-in-2018-2018-5

  • Yeah, he was a great CIC. the only guy I know who told the enemy the date his own troops were being pulled from the battlefield.

  • Facism is a dictatorship with a “populist” leader who. along with the wealthy oligarchs. controls a capitalist economy. A current example is Russia under Putin. In the 1930’s they were Italy, Spain, and Germany.
    Rather than the point to point, I will first refer you to a book and a Yale professor that can explain this to you. The book is “The Road To Unfreedom” by Prof. Timothy Snyder. This book is fairly popular and you can probably find it in a library.

    A YouTube video of him explaining his book is here:
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?445770-2/the-road-unfreedom

  • No actually he didn’t. GW Bush gave that as per agreement with the Iraqi Government. But that requires a certain level honesty and knowledge to pick up on it. Something you clearly do not have.

    But again, you are choosing to repeat talking points of an incompetent, ignorant chickenhawk. So I don’t see any need to go any further with such a conversation. You are not going to bother to recount actual facts and feel the need to make crap up.

    Do some actual research on the subject and get back to me. I feel no need to take your seriously.

    Instead of giving me the latest from Putin’s PR firm, check out

    Warisboring.com

  • It was Afghanistan buddy…. sigh.
    By Alex Spillius in Washington 8:00AM GMT 02 Dec 2009
    For the first time, the president set a timeline on America’s military involvement in the country it invaded in October 2001.
    The White House hopes that the addition of 30,000 US troops, which will begin almost immediately, combined with the pressure of the new deadline, will spur the government of Hamid Karzai into action.
    In a speech televised live across America, Mr Obama said that “these additional American and international troops will allow us to accelerate handing over responsibility to Afghan forces, and allow us to begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011”.

  • Putin since 2012 has become the dictator of Russia. From his manner and actions it seems Trump appears to be trying to follow the same road. We are already an oligarchy.

  • Not sure my response posted-so if you see two, just reply to this one.
    Ok, I’m not trying to be an ahole, so bear with me:
    1) what manner and/or actions has trump done to demonstrate he is seeking to be like Putin?
    2) who or what makes up the oligarchy that you mention?

  • ISIS isn’t in Afghanistan. you got your brain dead memes from a chickenhawk politician mixed up, or just a liar. Cadet Bone Spurs made the remark about Obama concerning Mosul Iraq. Only a fool thinks eternal occupation was a viable option.

  • I’m not sure what that means.
    I’ve served. I’ve seen bad stuff.
    I’m respectfully asking you not to direct that term at me. I will tolerate been called a lot of things; but not that. If you want to be a dick and not respect that one request; then we can be done.

  • Kindly indicate court and date of my supposed murder conviction.

    YOU hate free speech, and want to deny conservatives who disagree with you their Constitutional rights.

    I only fear Muslims if they are shooting at me, and I am unarmed. If I am armed, I shoot back.

  • I have to live in fear of getting lynched by Christians for being genderqueer. No one is coming after you with guns. You just want to shoot someone.

  • So no proof that I am a murderer, hmmm? Just another empty claim – or rather, lie?

    And what hell hole are you living in that they’ve been having lynchings? Please reference recent news stories about your town and its rash of lynchings, I must have missed them.

    You are partly right, though, about the guns. More recently the Islamist terrorists have been using vans and knives.

  • Sounds like the result of a lover’s spat in which a gay guy tried to force himself upon the object of his desire.

  • So, you think that an attempted kiss merits death by many stab wounds? Looks less like self-defence and more like premeditated murder to me.

  • No, I did NOT say it was justified. What I am saying is that the trauma of victims of actual or attempted sexual assault sometimes leads them to at some point respond violently. If it was a heterosexual male kissing and forcing his body onto a woman, you would be the first to cry “sexual violence!” and “attempted rape!”, but here it’s all good because: gay! Hypocrite!

  • Woodward had to physically get Bernstein off of him; attempted sexual assault only stopped by force, which left Woodward traumatized.

    Insofar as I do not like killing animals for sport, it is not logical to assume I would like killing people.

  • I previously wrote: “I did NOT say it was justified”, so OBVIOUSLY I do not think it is warranted. Nor was it merely “an attempted kiss”. You seem to be having trouble with reading comprehension. Lay off the weed and set down the bong when you are commenting.

  • Lay off the homophobia and set down your judgement of a normal romantic encounter when criticising other people’s behavior.

  • Unlike you, I don’t consider attempted sexual assault to be a “normal romantic encounter”. Would that be an example of gay privilege?

  • An attempted kiss is not an attempted sexual assault. Grow a thicker skin, snowflake. ❄

  • He had to physically push Bernstein OFF OF HIM. If some one was so physically ON you that you had to actually PUSH THEM OFF, you would be crying harassment and attempted sexual assault as you ran to your safe space. But your ===> Gay Privilege blinds you.

    You would call Harvey Weinstein’s victims “snowflakes”, and tell them to “Grow a thicker skin”. Hypocrite.

    As Sylvester the cat used to say: “You’re dethspicable!”.

  • There’s no proof that this was anything other than an attempted kiss, not an attempted sexual assault. The killer had amassed a collection of homophobic material on his computer prior to this encounter. Why was he flirting with another man to begin with?

  • No evidence that he was flirting with the other man. But I guess, like Bernstein, you sickly perceive all relationships as sexual. Making excuses for sexual harassment and attempted assault, hmm? You’re Harvey Weinstein’s kind of gal!

  • I specifically said his murder was NOT justified. That would mean there can be no excuse for it, O Poster Child of the Reading Comprehension Challenged.

    But YOU are clearly making excuses for sexual harassment and attempted assault as if such things were no big deal, due to ===> Gay Privilege. Gay icon Ernst Rohm would be so proud of you, Fraulein Charlotte!

  • An attempted kiss is not the same as an attempted sexual assault. Grow a thicker skin, snowflake. ❄

  • Try reading with comprehension the account you yourself provided a link for, Mrs. Weinstein.

  • Sorry for the delay.
    Try looking at the authors explanation on the video I suggested above. Then you can decide if you want to read the book. His explanation is diametrically opposed to what I perceive yours to be. Be skeptical, but try to have an open mind. From his thought you will at least learn where people with my worldview are coming from.

  • I’m a great fan of classical music, German composers in particular. Then again, I didn’t live through the Nazi Holocaust and have those songs blasted at me while being examined by the guards and sorted into work details or put in line for extermination.

    Anything can be misused, even Beethoven.

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