COMMENTARY: Why evangelicals’ love for Jews is a case of unrequited love

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(RNS) As a young Jew, I can’t help but see expressions of evangelical philo-Semitism as an attempt to keep Jewishness in its New Testament box, and to continue the old fallacy of conflating the Jewish people (of Bible fame) with living Jewish people.

  • Lles Nats

    Careful folks. This article is a bait article. I have no doubt thr genrralization that american christians are conditioned to love the idea of a jewish people….and that the love is not mutual. But the latter part as being introduced now, with the gaza massacre in your face, its just too coincidental. Careful what you say.

    Your speech is not free. They are protected and you are not.

  • Rev. Dr. Norman Martin

    “And if you genuinely want things to work, you have to court an actual person, not just a projection of whoever you wish them to be.” I agree with that statement. I am a protestant minister of over fifty years experience and I have never believed in the “save the chosen (Jews) for Jesus” approach. Even when I attended a Baptist seminary in the late 60’s it was not so prevalent as it is today. I was sitting in a SBC rural Sunday Class after the leaders of the Convention touted a plan to witness to the Muslims during Ramadan. The lay members of that class talked about that being so wrong. One class member ask how would we like it if Muslims came to our Christmas celebrations to win us to the Muslim faith.

    Since the SBC had little to no control over me (my employment and pay came from the institution employing me) I stayed far too long, until they came for the chaplains attempting to put them all under the Evangelism Dept. and controlling any approval for them to serve as chaplains in secular employment. When they came to get the chaplains most of us simply left.
    Serving as a prison chaplain I had the good fortune to have a Rabbi volunteer. I learn a lot from him. I missed him when he took a congregation in another state.

    Of all the statements, usually negative, about the SBC the fact should be pointed out that each SBC church is owned by the local congregation and the money given to any SBC causes is entirely up to the local congregation. Sure the church can be kicked out of the local, state, and national convention but that only means they will stand as an independent church.

  • Stephen McGuire

    Lles Nats what are you going on about?

  • ronald

    Our love for Jews is unrequited because we can lead a horse to water but we cant make him drink. All we can do is show them our Christian love and hope they understand and become Jews For Jesus.

  • Lles Nats

    Very specifically, zionist history. And the real possability that zionist advocates poliice many comments boards on many websites. When simply disagreeing with the current climate of a politicial ideaology is “anti-semitic”…and therefore “hateful”…you know you don’t live in a completely free society.

  • Craig

    And what exactly happens to you if you say something that someone construes as anti-Semitic? Do the Jew police come to your door? I don’t think so. As a secular Jew (raised Jewish, but realized that all religion is BS early on) this article makes sense to me. I find evangelicals telling me how great my (former) religion is just annoying.

  • Lles Nats

    What happens? Most commonly letters from AIPAC. Possibly personal legal suits. Yes the jewish groups definately come to your door.

    They record any metrics they deem antisemitic in an annual report. Its later used to install legal protection for the lot in certain countries.

    See France. Just this week they simply shut down pro palestineian protests in paris and Toulouse on thr basis that simple disagreement with israel over its bodycount is hateful. Therefore, you cannot say it. Therefore you cannot protest or demonstrate.

  • Susan

    Ronald, I don’t consider it very loving to be told I need to change my beliefs in order to be accepted by Jesus. The so-called Jews for Jesus are not Jews. So what you really want is for there to be no Jews in the world. If you really love me you would accept me as I am right now.

    Some evangelical Christians are farther to the right on Israel than I am. They have their own dubious reasons for supporting Israel. They call themselves Zionists, but they want a Jewish state with no Jews in it.

  • Lles Nats

    So you are not a zionist jew, which I find comforting. I hope thats not wierd to say. As a non-jew, its a little hard to look back at the last 100 years or so and not find zionist policy is jewish history…so forgive me. Its a little hard fofr me to conceptualize a jew absent zionism…as that is the majority of what I have been able to find so far.

    But all my explaining aside, I am very curious. What does a non-zionist but religous jew think, or is taught, about love and acceptance for otherpeople and religion? You know, your unique perspective one what you just explained to ronald.

    I know I’m fumbling, but very curious. I won’t attempt to bite your head off at response.

  • samuel Johnston

    I have not known (or really wanted to know) many Conservative or Orthodox religious Jews, but I have know a bunch of -for want of a better term- secular Jews, and they were a pretty diverse bunch (one of whom I fell in love with as a young man).
    I can empathize with the writer’s point of view, especially since I have suffered at the hands of these same evangelicals. No one but themselves -according to them- is entitled to live their life as they see fit, but must conform to a list of imperatives of which they are both the authors and the judges. In addition, they are cowards, in that they blame their own arrogant and selfish behavior on the supernatural. Any folks of any religion who do that are not my friends.

  • dvd

    r u a bigot?

  • Wally Right

    The author is correct, unfortunately the philo-semitism is 99% theoretical, but you do get that 1% of genuine mutual life & help.
    You see it especially in and around the “Messianic” movement(s) which can be more or less Jewish or Gentile populated depending on where you go, but where respect for the Torah and learning is certainly alive (unlike in the largely antinomian and anti-Torah Christian churches).

  • ronald

    The only way to avoid the fires of Hell is to be washed in the Blood of the Lamb. It would not be very loving for we Christians to just allow you to blindly march into eternal damnation without at least letting you know about the altarnative.

    Jesus will forgive the Jews for His death if only you will let Him. You need only open your hearts to Him and let Him live there.

  • Susan

    “Jesus will forgive the Jews for His death if only you will let Him.” I didn’t realize that the Jews had to be forgiven for Jesus’s death. The Romans executed him for political reasons. What you said is wrong and offensive. I don’t live my life or my religion based on whether I will go to heaven or hell. I don’t think that is the purpose of religion. I do know about the alternative. I have read the New Testament. I find it hateful towards Jews and Judaism. It made me sick to stomach to read sections of it.

    Lies Nat, I am a Zionist, but I am a Zionist for non-religious reasons. Most Jews whether Zionist or non-Zionist are brought up to be accepting of other people’s religions, but it can be tough, because other religions are not necessarily accepting of Judaism. A Christian theologian once said that that Christianity had a “theology of contempt” for Judaism. Being a Zionist does not make one less accepting of other people’s religion. There is not one Zionist viewpoint. There are Zionists who are anti-religious and are atheists and there are Zionists who are very religious and Orthodox and there are Zionists who are in the middle where I am.

    I have had experience with the so-called Jews for Jesus in Philadelphia. Its founder was a Christian who changed his name to have a Jewish sounding name. There is no such thing as a “Messianic Jew”.

  • snooter

    well Rev i guess your belief is what bonhoffer warned us about and found in the merican seminary back in the 1930’s…of course bonhoffer would have had more to say about the 1960’s seminary student but he was hanged at flossburg for trying to save those jews that hitler had yet to get to..

    yes the jews today still cling to the old testament..yes they have yet to come to grips with jesus…but monotheistic view is predominate in israel today..may be god has hardened the jewish heart to give time for the gentiles to be rounded up?..i for one support israel and will continue to do so..know your place REV-you are an adopted jew (at best) and may be that is what irks you such being considered an unclean soul by jewish standards

  • R Tumenggung

    Lles makes a lot of references to what the Jewish ‘they’ have done and will do.

  • Frenelbus

    This world would be better off if there were no religions.

  • Susan

    Lies Nat, I’m not sure what you think a Zionist is. Zionism is simply the belief that Jews should have a homeland where they can control their own destiny. There are many types of Zionism, some of religious some are not. I don’t know of a single branch of Zionism that believes that Jews are superior to anyone else. As a matter of fact some Zionists wanted Jews to have a state so they could be and be viewed as normal. Zionists accept other religions. Of course, Zionists are human and they are subject to the same follies and foibles as any other humans.

    There are a very small number of Ultra-Orthodox who are not Zionists, because they think that God should bring about a Jewish state when the Messiah comes. They believe Jews should not create a state before then. I happen to think that Jews can and should help themselves.

  • Lles Nats

    Thanks susan.

  • Gmason

    In our Bible study group we have studied a lot about the Jewish heritage behind our Christian religion. Jewish people do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, so to their minds, Christianity is a false religion of sorts. I can understand that.
    Christians who know the Bible, know that Israel was given an irrevocable covenant by God. The Bible says of Israel “I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” Gen 12:3 – that’s good enough for me.
    The reason some Christians now celebrate the Passover Seder is because God said to. Many Christians don’t even realize that it was the Seder Jesus was partaking in when he broke the bread and said “do this in remembrance of me” If you are a Christian, you really owe it to yourself to learn about the Passover, the symbolism is profound, it points the way to Christ, it is one of the “signs and seasons” that God wanted us to know about.

  • John Hutchinson

    Evangelical philo-Semitism will quickly come to an end; partially because of its unrequietedness. The Diaspora Jews in America, who are dramatically different from Israelis, also propose many sociopolitical measures which threaten some of the primary values of American heritage (i.e. free speech and exercise of religion, neo-Conservatistic imperialism). Also, Evangelicalism has largely lost its saltiness. None of this is said with pleasure. But any reading of the annals of the diaspora Jews finds that they are first loved in many of the countries that they first immigrate to (even invited as in the Ottoman Turks) and that that turns to hate within a couple of generations, sometimes centuries.

  • DLCraig

    While I don’t agree with most of this opinion piece, the last paragraph is absolutely spot-on..!

  • Donald

    There are many types of Zionism, but the versions that produced Israel required that 700,000 Palestinians be expelled in order to have a majority Jewish state. That version is similar to the 17th-19th century American notion that white people had more rights to self-determination in North America than the people already living here.

    On this post, sure, evangelical Christians are philosemitic for all the wrong reasons, but forgive me if I don’t cry too much about this. So they think you’re going to hell if you don’t convert. Big deal. They don’t get to decide who goes where after death. The real victims are the Palestinians, as the evangelicals become part of the Lobby that says the US should support Israel no matter what it does.

  • Rev. Dr. Norman Martin

    Of course I studied Bonhoeffer in seminary and since. I have books about Bonhoeffer and by him. I continue to be inspired by Bonhoeffer.There was nothing I wrote that was anti-Semitic. I simply don’t believe that evangelistic campaigns targeting Jews is the appropriate Christian response. …”monotheistic view is predominate in Israel today” What??
    As a Christian I am a monotheists.
    “KNOW YOUR PLACE” and “-you are an adopted jew (at best) and may be that is what irks you such being considered an unclean soul by Jewish standards.”
    1. An old white boy being told to “Know your place” now that’s a first for me. Now I kinda know how the many black people I grew up with felt.
    2. “Adopted Jew(at best)” I’m Scott-Irish, English, Cherokee but not Jewish. Gentiles don’t have to convert to Judaism (or be adopted) to be saved (Book of Acts).
    3. If by Jewish standards I am unclean please have a rabbi contact me and explain how this works.
    4. I had no idea that I was “Irked” at Jews. I was a bit perturbed at the SBC, but not so much anymore.
    5. Support the nation Israel, yes, if the nation is treating non citizens humanely.
    6. I’m fighting hard against my desire to call you a bigot, but something triggered your response to me beyond what I wrote, so I will call you a friend I have not yet made.

  • Stogumber

    I suppose that there are some intelligent, mostly younger Jews who want to be loved as persons, not as members of a category.

    Notwithstanding, most identitarian Jews have and like their own “abstract concept” of Jewishness, so the momentary problem is more the competition between different “abstract concepts”. Also, organized Jewry is not so much interested in love, but in flattering (or in a backup of Jewish self-flattery by goyish voices).

  • snooter can call me a bigot..i half expect that from any left leaning liberal (not that you are)..may be we just have a slight misunderstanding in what words mean..i dunno..i will take the high road and wish you god speed REV..far be it from me to engage in interweb bottom line is hamas is lobbying rockets into israel and hamas is using its own kind as human shields..israel has every right to defend itself from those terrorist hamas members..if israel had done what God wanted and wiped them out (Deuteronomy 20:16–18) we would not be here discussing this problem…i must admit i have struggled with that passage for quite some time….nuff said-God speed

    ps: yea we could sit down over lunch and have a discussion on this..i dont drink alcohol so i hope mrs rev makes a good southern baptist tea or lemonade-be blessed

  • man

    This article shows how jews are anti-christian. It doesn’t matter if we love them or hate them, jews will never embrace us as fellow human beings. I agree with this article that evangelicals tend to view jews as an abstract entity, but jews are more guilty of viewing all of christian history in a very narrow way. To them, christianity is progroms, expulsions and they even think of hitler, when they think of christianity. It is their hatred of us that is the problem.

  • Our love is based on a gratitude for being the vessels God used to send the Messiah and the Scriptures and His love for them. It’s not about what they do or feel towards us or God.

  • F. Lynx Pardinus

    One issue is that evangelicals and Jews interpret the OT in often fundamentally different ways. I believe that many Jews are more aware of the magnitude of these differences than many evangelicals, and this accounts for much of the difference in attitudes toward each other.

  • Chaplain Martin

    Re: “Ps” Sweet, sounds good but I’m not much for alcohol

  • Michael

    Unrequited love my foot! The problem is evangelicals see Jews merely as a source of future converts. They see Israel as the home of Jesus’s kingdom without regard to the Jews. They want to see us Jews as evangelicals, nothing more. Thank you, NOT INTERESTED!

  • Tim

    The idea that Evangelicals love Jews AS Jews and yet seek to convert individual Jews to Christianity is hardly a contradiction. They’ll invite you to convert and love you until you do, after you do, or even if you never do.

    That’s a bit different from the old strategy of Martin Luther that Protestants love Jews to show that they are not those nasty Catholics, and then turn around and angrily persecute Jews when they don’t swoon.

    Although Luther made love contingent on the hope of conversion (i.e. merely a means to an end), modern Evangelicals have love for Jews as an end in itself. When Evangelicals ALSO invite Jews to convert to Christianity this is a DIFFERENT end.

    Jews no longer HAVE to respond to either.

    Christians — good for you for loving Jews for its own sake.

    Jews — good for you that you can reject that love in a free county. The fact that Jews CAN say “NO THANKS” in perfect peace is proof of the genuineness of that Evangelical love.

    The author of this post just proved the truth of what he intended to disprove.

    I like this new free world we all live in.

  • jhgjghjhg

    Also, Jews seem to be more progressive on average. Progressive people are turned off by evangelicals’ crazed, bigoted screaming.

  • Tim

    Tolerance, like love, can be unrequited…

  • Re “White evangelicals gave Jews a full 69 percent … while Jewish respondents gave evangelical Christians a frosty 34 percent …”

    I can’t say this is inexplicable, nor is it even a genuine case of “unrequited love” as the article claims. I’m sure a lot of evangelical Protestants sincerely believe themselves to “love” the Jews, however, ultimately, for them, Jews are merely a means to an end: just a cog in the vast cosmic machinery that will, they believe, eventually lead to “Armageddon” and the return, leading the hosts of heaven, of their precious Jesus. They don’t really “love” Jews so much as they just want them to stick around long enough to become the lightning rod that instigates “the End Times.”

    Christian Zionism, at its heart, is an anti-Semitic movement. That facet of its nature doesn’t often rear its head in overt ways, and it may not be obvious to everyone, but it’s true; occasionally a Christian Zionist leader lets the cat out of the bag (e.g. as Pastor John Hagee did late last year, repeating the evangelical Christian legend that the Jews will villainously collaborate with “the Antichrist” during the “End Times”: They also want “the kings of the east” as described in scripture to come after the Jews in Israel in order to get the final battle of Creation going (see e.g. Rev 16:12-16 etc.).

    As I said, lots of Christians won’t see it this way. A lot of them have been conditioned by their pastors not to notice this. So they may truly not have any malicious feelings toward Jews. Even so, merely the philosophy behind this (i.e. that the Jewish people exist merely as pawns in their God’s vast cosmic chess-match against the Forces of Darkness) ought to be viewed, at best, as repugnant, if not malevolent.

    So I can’t really blame Jews for not returning the “warm fuzzies” that evangelical Protestants claim to feel for them. It’s only the rational thing for them to do.

  • Leo

    I am not an Evangelical, and I have no unrequited love for the Jews, any more than for anyone else. I am, however, all for Israel because it is the only democratic country with any degree of sanity in the midst of extremist theocracies of the Middle East.

  • Atheist Max

    @Lles Nats,

    Questioning Israeli policies and Zionist land seizure is a sign of sanity.
    Hating Jews and Zionists and being paranoid is a sign of mental illness.

    You have no argument. You have only displayed symptoms of a problem.

  • Atheist Max


    “..bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King and execute them in front of me.” – Jesus (Luke 19:27)

  • Atheist Max

    “Execute them in front of me” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

    Such infinite love.

  • Atheist Max

    Imagine no religion – John Lennon

  • Atheist Max


    “To them, christianity is progroms, expulsions and they even think of hitler, when they think of christianity. It is their hatred of us that is the problem.”

    Well, since you brought up Hitler (a Catholic)…
    His favorite parable ended with this sentence:

    “Bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King and execute them in front of me.” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

    Hitler was certain he had Jesus on his side.
    He made sure all the nazis had it written
    on their belt buckles; “Gott mitt Uns”

    – Atheist Max (former Catholic)

  • Atheist Max

    Jesus made it very clear
    that he hates it when certain people (Jews who reject him)
    don’t get him
    or just refuse to take him seriously.


    “The master shall cut him to pieces” – Jesus (Luke 12) JESUS describes what he intends to do to his own enemies, whoever they may be.


    “..bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King, and execute them in front of me.” (Luke 19:27)


    “Drown him with a millstone” (Matt 18:6),


    “Judge [them] unworthy…remove your blessings of PEACE” (Matt 10:13)


    “I have come to bring FIRE…What constraints! I am impatient to bring..DIVISION.” (Luke 12:49-51)


    “Hate your parents…hate your life”(Luke 14:26)


    “Eat of my body” and “Be baptized and believe” or “Be condemned to Hell” (John 6:53-54) (Mark 16:16).

  • Jack

    The author seems to try and include Catholics with Christians. Christians pray to God and Christ. Catholics pray to any dead person they are told to worship. The Pope has called himself the God on earth and demand Catholics pray to himself. Catholic religion is a cult according to the 10 commandments. Unless you of course subscribe to the altered catholic version.
    Jews are no longer the God’s chosen people. They lost their opportunity when they crucified Jesus on the cross. If they want to be in God’s grace they have seek repentance same as all peoples of earth.

  • Larry

    Well that and a complete lack of respect Evangelicals give to any religion or religious group but their own. Antisemitism always runs in the background of their alleged affection for the Jews. Either they are expecting Jews to convert, praise Jesus or get wiped out in the “tribulation”.

  • Susan

    Jack, Jews didn’t crucify Jesus on the cross, the Romans did.

    Jews seek repentance from God at least once a year during our High Holidays. We seek God’s grace, not Jesus’s, but we never believed that we didn’t need to seek repentance.

    You are filled with ignorance and bad information about Catholics.

  • Jonathan

    Oh my Jack … That’s pretty nasty don’t you think? I haven’t been a Catholic for many years, but even I found that offensive. All you Christians are going to go down together if you can’t figure out a way to respect each other.

  • The Wanderer

    The author has it almost right. Jews hate being loved precisely because of their training that is drummed in their heads that they are hated for no reason. That pogroms happened without provocation. That they alone are pure and without fault such that anything negative that happens to them is also without cause. This of course is the myth they dwell in. Human beings simply do not treat others poorly without cause. Ask the people who live near ultra Orthodox Jews what they feel and why. Then you’ll have your answer. Jews who have left that culture seldom face the same hatred.

  • Atheist Max

    There are 20,000 versions of Christianity at last count.
    They are all built on the same lies:

    Jesus, cross, jews killed him, sacrifice, blood of the lamb, wise men…blah blah

    Lost in the mix; not a word of it is probably true.

  • Esther Siebert

    Hi Ronald,

    It’s not that we don’t return your love person to person. We love you and all the evangelical Christians we encounter. It’s that the “love” you offer us is conditional upon our becoming fundamentalist Christian.

    So it’s not real love. There is no humility or there would be the possibility of considering you might not be right. There is no agape which is given freely without condition. There is only an effort, under the guise of love, to impose your beliefs on others for their own good to save us from Hell.

    I appreciate that you don’t want us to go to hell. That’s very kind of you. But perhaps you and many other proselytizing Christians don’t understand that as Jews we don’t believe in original sin which is an invention of Christianity. We don’t believe people are born evil and must be saved by Jesus. That’s often why we feel no need to convert to save ourselves. You could say we believe in original goodness.

    If I may suggest, perhaps instead of approaching Jews to convert them, why don’t you pray to Jesus to change our hearts. Better yet, pray to Jesus to open your hearts to see that a true spiritual teacher like Jesus would never become so doctrinaire. It’s fundamentalist people in all religions, including Jews, who crave black and white truths to make them feel secure. And in all religions and none, it’s the highest spiritual people who soar in universal love and acceptance for all. I can’t help but think that Jesus is one of them and that, despite what his followers have done, he remains a spiritual giant and a Jew.

    I’m a Jewish Buddhist, often called a JuBu for short.

  • Tim

    I actually assumed that “Jack” was fake. Could be wrong, but he sounded too much like some kind of straw man. I’ve seen catholic bashing among Evangelicals, and I’ve seen grace triumphalism — but I’ve never seen an Evangelical who mistook a Roman for a Jew. For all their warts, Evangelicals are quite aware that the cross was an Italian Job.

  • Esther Siebert

    So The Wanderer thinks that the Jews had it coming. No one is perfect and pure and without fault–therefore we are justified in raping, robbing and killing whomever we choose. And what does that make us?

    My Dad, Morton Chareton, was 7 years old when the Cossacks came into his house. While he hid under the bed, he saw his siblings murdered, watched his youngest sibling being sliced in half with a sword and witnessed his Mother’s murder. He waited till things were quiet and ran to a neighbor’s house where this probably Russian Orthodox family shaved his head, put a cross on him and hid him in the barn. This was a pogrom.

    I’m sorry you’ve been hurt by ultra orthodox Jews maybe snubbing you as they kept to themselves and acted in your estimation holier than thou. They keep separate to stay pure spiritually as if being kind to you or me would contaminate them. They turn away people who want to convert.

    Maybe they are the polar opposite of evangelical Christians who want to impose their beliefs on as many people as they can. But they have something in common. What could it be?

    They both lack love for humankind as a whole. They both lack humility. They are both fundamentalists. They both “know” they are right and superior to others different from themselves.

    Fundamentalism is a kind of “my way or the highway” philosophy. There is only one right way and it is mine! Comply or be ostracized, be sent to hell or die!

    I think fundamentalism of all ilkes is the real danger. Take an ancient text, declare it to be literally true for all time and you have created a perfect vehicle for humankind’s self-centered ego to create ridiculous folly and destruction.

    Only when religious dogma is tempered by spiritual reflection and humility and accompanied by lovingkindness, compassion and forgiveness do we become whole.

  • man

    Boo Hoo…

  • man


  • Lles Nats

    Their bodycount is 500 as of this monday morning. Their pinpoint targeting hasn’t improved though even as they pull the trigger more. Still 90 percent of their kills are civilian.

    You choose quite a people to look up to there. I see no difference between em. In fact your democratic society nonsense seems to he worse as we give em the most efficient killing machines

  • Lles Nats

    Agreed. They are creating even more enemies now as run through their gaza prison camps “shooting anything that moves”. A generation from now those kids that made it but lost someone will never forget it. And the jews will still call themselves the victims.

  • Leo

    Your hatred of Christians is phenomenal, and you are taking quotes out of context. In the U.S. at this time, you have the right to hate whom you want and you can express it. However, this is a movement in the U.N. by a conglomerate of Islamic countries to make criticism of religion a crime. So enjoy yourself for now.

  • Leo

    Larry, Your vitriol seems only geared towards Christians, and it appears almost monomaniacal. That is your prerogative, however, some of it defies rationality.
    For instance, just because there are many people in government who are Christian does not mean that there is no Christiananophobia. Just as there are many Jewish mayors and other prominent people does not mean that there is no anti-Semitism.

    I doubt that you would be able to broaden your mind beyond its agenda, but you might try reading something from another viewpoint. I suggest “Christianophobia: A Faith under Attack,” Rupert Shortt. I deals with the massive persecutions of Christians particularly in the Middle East. All of this sort of information is available in current periodicals.

  • Leo

    Apologies for my error–my last email was directed towards “Atheist Max.”

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  • Atheist Max


    Who said this? :

    “I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin. There are no survivors to even tell what happened. I thought, ‘they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won’t need to strike again.’ But no!”

  • Atheist Max


    Take a look :

    “the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women raped; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.”

    Tell me who said this.

  • Atheist Max


    You speak of my hatred? :

    “Anyone who is captured will be killed with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.”

    Who said these words?

  • Atheist Max


    You brought it up….tell me your answer.
    Who said this? :

    “Even if they stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn’t help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight!”

  • Atheist Max


    WHO said this?:

    “cursed is the man who holds back his sword from blood.”

  • Michael,
    You object to Joe Carter’s statement that “we evangelicals have a special affection for our Jewish neighbor” in part “because we know that God had a special affection for them too.” Then you state, “The sentiment, while kind, should be familiar: Jews are likable because of their role in Christian theology.”
    That God has a special affection for our Jewish people is not just Christian theology — it’s also Jewish theology. Genesis 12:1-3 states, “Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” If evangelical Christians recognize from the Hebrew Scriptures that the Jewish people are special to God, can you fault them for loving us?

  • Atheist Max


    Who said all of this?

    “The slave will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it…Much is required from those to whom much is given.”

    “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live there”

    “buy the male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you…also the children..You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your own children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this…”

    Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.”

    “if your slave declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ then his master must take him to the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.”

    “I..create darkness. I..create evil, I …do all these things.”

    “Take your only son…whom you love….and kill him there as a burnt-offering to me on one of the mountains that I shall show you.”

    Who SAID this to me?
    Who SAID this to you?
    Who SAID this to all of humanity?

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  • Theophilus


    You make many assertions which simply do not attain with many Evangelicals like myself. But apart from that, the question in my mind is: “How can Jews feel more warmly towards Muslims, many of whom would like to see Israel exterminated from the face of the earth, than towards Evangelicals?

    James Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, used to always give this dating advice to men: Don’t be too desperate to be liked by a woman; it just turns them off. I suspect the same may be true for the Jews; they have disdain for a group of people whose affection they have done so little to earn.

  • Garson Abuita

    When you embrace us as fellow human beings, not as prospects for conversion or means to the Second Coming, then we’ll be less suspicious of your motives.

  • Larry

    Its very difficult to be considered an oppressed religious group when one’s and religion is the majority one of the nation, when every leader for the last 200+ years were of that faith, when they are a major power bloc in the political landscape and long been given deference to their views.

    Christians in the US who feel persecuted are usually ones who whine that their religious belief does not entitle them to lord over everyone else as God told them they should.

    The idea that Christians in the US should behave like Muslims in the Middle East in order to attain some kind of parity is just plain silly. We are better than those dictators.

  • TSD

    Please explain to me how israel was supposed to wipe out a terrorist wing of a religion thousands of years before that religion was ever invented……

  • Leo

    ATHEIST MAX, Einstein disavowed the term atheist to describe him. He preferred the term agnostic, and while he did not believe in a personal “God” he believed in one who was “patheistic” a la Spinoza.

    As for Hitler, he was born Catholic. He did not practice it. Rather, he had a relationship with Mufti of Jerusalem. Read the history. After the Jews were eliminated, he planned to eliminate Christians as well. In fact, weren’t there five million if not more in the death camps, yes!

    You just go on and have yourself wonderful days.

  • Leo

    When I said five million or more in the death camps, I did not intend to suggest that they were all Christians. Hitler despised Christianity because he thought that it was a weak religion. His admiration was, however, for another one, and if you do research beginning with the Mufti of Jerusalem and Hitler, you will discover it.

    Yours is a case of what the French say: “M’as-tu vu?”

  • Shawnie5

    Relax. You’re no more of a “prospect for conversion,” if you want to call it that, than anyone else is.

  • Atheist Max


    You are not entitled to your own facts.


    Hitler, a Catholic, was certain
    about the meaning of JESUS and the parable of the Minas:

    “Bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King
    and EXECUTE THEM in front of me.” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

    Hitler’s first peace treaty in 1933 was with the Vatican.
    Hitler’s birthday was celebrated in churches from pulpits
    and with the ringing of church bells in Europe
    every April – EVEN DURING THE WAR through 1945.

    Hitler was given veto power over whom the Pope could appoint as a bishop
    in Germany and forged a treaty whereas the National Socialist state
    was officially recognized by the Catholic Church.

    In a letter to the Nazi party, he wrote “…this treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism is hostile to religion is a lie.”

    Hitler was confirmed as a “SOLDIER of CHRIST” and his goal was to become a priest. He was never excommunicated or condemned and the church had stated that he was “Avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

    “….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.”
- Adolf Hitler (following the
 position of Martin Luther),
    Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11



    ”Hence today I believe that I am 
acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself
 against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” -Adolf Hitler
(Mein Kampf)He allied with Pope Pius in converting German society and made a deal with the church whereas the church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons, and in turn, Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This lead to Hitler enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He waged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home.

    Hitler was quoted,
    “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today…Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.”

    In fact, the Holocaust grew out of Hitler’s Christian education due mainly to Jews having an inferior status in Christian Austria and Germany. The Christians there blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus and the hatred that Hitler fostered against Jewish people began from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany. It is well known that Martin Luther held a livid hatred for Jews and their religion. Luther wrote a book titled “On the Jews and their Lies” which set the standard for Jewish hatred all the way up to World War 2.
    Hitler, of course, expressed enormous admiration for Martin Luther.


    The Nazis began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught. They included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961. Nazi soldiers wore religious symbols and placed religious sayings on military gear. The official army belt buckle read “God With Us”. They got sprinkled with holy water and listened to Catholic sermons before going out on maneuvers. The Nazis had a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens and if anyone was suspected of heresy they would be prosecuted.


    “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
    -Adolf Hitler,
    in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933


    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

    “Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

    “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

    Hitler is gone.
    But the latent evils of the Bible
    unfortunately remain with us.

    The Bible waits to be used again to spread ridiculous lies
    and inflame the same hatreds whenever weak people
    give in to totalitarianism and theocracy.

  • Larry

    “After the Jews were eliminated, he planned to eliminate Christians as well.”

    No he didn’t. Those Christians thrown into the maws of the holocaust (aside from the minuscule numbers of pacifists) were usually there because of their national origin. Poles, Russians, Serbians, were wiped out in huge numbers as a matter of course. Religious affiliation was just a side effect.

    The Nazis relied heavily on antisemitic appeals within the Catholic and Protestant churches for support. In occupied territories appeals to Christianity were useful in recruiting collaborationist units to fight in the Eastern Front. The Ustasha, Rexists and the Spanish “Blue Division” leaned heavily on Catholic church support in their efforts to bolster the Nazis. The last forced conversion to Catholicism in Europe was done in 1944 under the wing of Catholic Croatian supporters of the Nazis.

    The only church in Occupied Europe which wasn’t collaborating with the Nazis was the Danish Lutheran Church. The good people of Denmark as an entire people worked to boatlift almost their entire Jewish population out of harms way.

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  • Larry

    Hitler used Christianity like every other absolute dictator had before him. Nazis hit the sweet spot with churches between their already existing institutional antisemitism and fear of communism. This made it easy for churches to do things like drum up volunteers to commit mass murder and hide war criminals.

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  • solas

    Pardon me if this question is a bit off topic .. but what are the Evangelical dual-covenant theology followers views on non-Jews (non ethnic) who converted to Judaism?

    Do they simply not count them among “the chosen” Jews for not being “bloodline” Jews?

    I’m aware there are different strains of the dual covenant theology but the matter of non-Jews who have converted to Judaism throughout time should certainly have been considered in their theology?

    I’m having a hard time finding any theological information of their belief on this point so I’m left , as of now , to go by random Evangelical opinions , which range from their not accepting converts (or their descendants) of being “real Jews” so therefore not counted among “chosen” , to others who accept legit converts (and their descendants) to Judaism as being among “real Jews”.

    Both of these positions are problematic. But the second one is not only problematic with regard to Jew Christian relations but also problematic for the very foundation of their Christian religion!

    For if they accept that non-ethnic Jews who convert to Judaism become enjoined in the covenant of Jews — then what is the point of Christianity!?

    If they accept that anyone who converts to Judaism is entered into the covenant of Jews then what in the world is their excuse for rejecting this by not converting to Judaism themselves?

  • solas

    .. also , some I have spoken to do not accept Mizrahi or other non Ashkenazi or Sephardi as “real Jews” , even stating that not only are they not Jews and have no blood ties to Jews, but are all Arab.

  • solas

    I was told by an Evangelical Christian (a Christian Zionist at that!) that I need to “find the lord” because I stated that I didn’t support the state of Israel based on theology but based on my support for nationalism.

    I got a bible in the mail from them about a week after our conversation.

    Did this person actually think that I didn’t have a bible? Born in ’91 and sending me a bible? I have bibles multiple times your age you condescending twerp.

    To make it even worse, it’s not even a regular bible. But one of those with commentary on every dang page from some preacher they deem fit to explain everything to them.

    They didn’t even place a return address on it so I could returned to sender.

  • solas

    If it wasn’t for Rome having taken up Christianity as the state religion and spreading it as they did there would most likely be no Christianity today. You disagree with the Popes authority , reverence of Mary and the Saints but you should do so with the knowledge that the Catholic Church is a foundational part of your religion and a substantial part of your history.

    Am I a Catholic?

    If it was up to me Rome would’ve never taken up the religion in the first place. If it was up to me Rome would’ve never made it to the British Isles. If it was up to me , Rome and their offspring would have never destroyed the Celtic religion. But they did , they utterly destroyed it.

    Thank Rome for your religion.

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  • Dawnzy

    Land seizure? Riiight. The land was granted to them fair and square.

  • Muzjik

    Perhaps if Hamas had not started a missile campaign against a country that 1) has a defense system and 2) encourages its citizens to seek safety in bomb shelters, their casualties might have been less.
    Perhaps also if Hamas did not use its citizens to shield their weapons (the Un confirmed missiles stored in a UN-run school just last week) and tell them not to evacuate, their casualty count would be lessened.

  • Muzjik

    Jack – claiming to be Christ’s representative is not quite the same as claiming to be God.

  • Protestants differ from Catholics and Orthodox in that they have no real demographic presence in the Arab world. Therefore, they see the Jews as proxy Protestants.

  • Christine

    you are purposely lifting a line out of a parable to purposely misquote the Bible. This, as I said, is a line out of a parable that is likely talking about the afterlife, about someone who for their whole life has disobeyed God and the “King” is God, and the “execution” likely is referring to the final judgment, i.e. Hell. People love to believe in Heaven but not so much in Hell but there is definitely evil in this world, do we believe that God the supreme Judge has the right to punish it? (if you believe in God, which you don’t) But don’t purposely imply that Jesus wants us to execute people. It is more subtle than that, which most theology is, worthy of more than a sound bite.

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  • Muzjik

    You keep posting the same verse over and over. Do you really think you are citing something earthshaking?

    Newsflash: anyone who has actually read the Scriptures are very aware Jesus spoke of coming judgement.

    Matthew 3:10: The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
    Matthew 13:30: Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.
    John 15:6: If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
    Luke 3:16-17 (John the Baptist speaking of Jesus) He will baptize you with[c] the Holy Spirit and fire. 17 His winnowing fork is in his hand to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

    Perhaps you should pay attention.

  • Muzjik

    Then you have atheist despotic mass murders:
    Robespierre and The Reign of Terror
    Pol Pot
    A number of North Korean dictators

    and so on and so forth

  • John K

    You said “I create darkness. . . I create evil. . . I do all these things”
    You’re clearly referencing Psalm 45:7, but.the New American Standard Bible and the English Standard Version both say “calamity”. The Revised Standard Version says “woe”, and the New International Version says “disaster.” The New Living Translation says “bad times.” This passage is not saying God created sin, as God did not create sin.

    As for the Abraham sacrificing Isaac passage, in the end God the Father did not ask Abraham to do anything he wouldn’t do, and in the end he kept Abraham from actually sacrificing Isaac, but “did not spare his own Son” so that Jesus died for sinners.

    You said, quoting Exodus (21 maybe) “if your slave declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ then his master must take him to the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.” Not sure why you’re quoting this as a specifically bad thing. It’s referring to slaves that had the option to go free at a certain point or immediately, but chose not to out of love for their masters, otherwise there’s no point in them doing that if there was no choice. Hebrew slaves would be freed after 7 years according to the larger passage.

    “Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.”

    “Unjust” is how the ESV renders “perverse”. “Unreasonable” is the NASB. Would it have been a better idea for the slaves that were reading Peter’s original letter to try to hurt their master? If they ran away, where would they go? Might find themselves in a worse situation. Not a lot of political options for them there. Emancipation was a pipe dream. Peter was not interested in starting a slave rebellion.

  • John K

    A possible explanation for the survey coming up the way it did is as a whole Jewish people are to the left of Evangelical Christians politically, but are closer to Catholic Christians. Many conservative Republican Christians would probably answer less favorably about Jewish people if they included “Jews who voted for Obama” in the questioning.

  • Tracy Jayne

    Many Christians today don’t understand their Bible. They think in loving God they must love the Jews simply because they are the apple of His eye. We as Christians are to love everyone to share the Gospel. God made a covenant with Abraham to fulfill His prophesies through a people that He set a part from the rest of humanity. In doing so, Satan wants them destroyed so God’s plan to redeem us would be destroyed. In standing with Israel we are standing with God’s word and the carrying out of His plan for us.

  • Sola Scriptura

    “Jews rated Catholics pretty favorably, so we can’t explain this result as a response to Christianity as a whole.”

    Catholics are not part of “Christianity as a whole,” as they contradict the basic requirement to “worship only God” in their teachings and actions by worshiping a dead woman (Mary), a piece of bread, angels, etc.

  • Jon

    Esther, you keep bashing evangelicals and orthodox Jews for simply believing a set of truths. You clearly believe no one can know the truth. But that’s your belief and you are using to bash others beliefs. Don’t you see how incredibly hypocritical that is?

  • Clubbeaux

    The article’s correct.

    I’m an evangelical with absolutely zero interest in dispensationalism or the dispos’ endless haggling over End Times minutiae and prophecies, I just think Israel’s a cool country in a hard place in the world.

    I also note that most philosemitism occurs in the parts of the country (and world) where evangelicals probably have less of an opportunity to meet actual Jews, and that most of the rabid philosemites probably don’t have too many meaningful, close friendships with actual Jews.

    Having been raised in Westchester County and the West End of Richmond and lived in Fairfield, Connecticut I’m well-acquainted with actual Judaism and actual Jews, thank you.

  • Slanted_Blade


    Perhaps this will help you understand:

  • heath sawyer

    bait and switch? I thought Judaism and Christianity, as in any religions are based on faith? Surely you can be honest about that? Not to mention the obvious Christianity came from Judaism as Mormonism came from Protestants. Amazing the way you can’t see the obvious! Unless the beliefs or opinions, at hand, are not based around a God… Most likely any other claim in your life you’d rather have enpirical evidence before accepting it as fact!

  • Jack

    One of the reasons for the “unrequited love” is that most Jews in America are secular and thus define their Jewish identity more in terms of what they’re not than in terms of what they are. Most do not affiliate with any synagogue and know Israel only through photos and videos, having never visited. Most never will visit Israel in their lifetime.

    So what’s left of Jewish identity within American Jewry is what one is not. And historically, the one thing Jews have not been is believers in Jesus. Thus the core of Jewish secular identity is not being Christian. And since evangelicals are the most visible and assertive types of Christians in America, it’s no surprise that Jews will feel that they are most strongly asserting their identity by rejecting evangelicals.

    It’s an odd, Woody Allen-ish dynamic, but it is what it is. Jewish history is filled with paradoxes.

  • Jack

    While it’s certainly true that many evangelicals have a stick-figured view of the Jewish people, it’s obvious from the comments above that plenty of Jews are making precisely the same mistake in depicting evangelicals.

    The good news is that flesh-and-blood evangelicals and Jews are interacting with each other in a productive and positive way through partnerships between pro-Israel organizations — such as the one between AIPAC and CUFI.

    Silly old stereotypes die hard on both sides but when real people on both sides actually meet each other, biases tend to be reduced somewhat.

  • Jack

    Someone once said that Jews are just like everyone else — only more so.

    It’s human nature to take friendly people for granted and work like crazy to win over those who are not. So the same Jews who spurn evangelicals who are supportive of Israel will pant after liberal Protestants who despise Israel for not fitting into their leftist narrative of the world.

    It’s like the old Groucho Marx line about not wanting to join a club that would have him as a member. Liberal Protestants come from places where Jews once were excluded for snobbish reasons. That made Jews want all the more to be included.

    Again, it’s human nature at work.

  • Jack

    Matt Sieger should be writing articles instead of the author. It would be one heck of a lot more interesting and insightful.

  • Jack

    Larry, you’re doing quite a bit of ill-disguised whining yourself.

  • Jack

    Leo, bigots come from all backgrounds. Larry is an anti-Christian bigot. If he were born white in the old south, he’d be an anti-black bigot. If he were brought up a Christian, he’d find a way to be an anti-Jewish bigot. Bigotry is more a function of one’s basic personality than anything else.

  • Jack

    Same here…..Max is the one.

  • Jack

    Esther, replace “evangelicals” with “blacks” or any other group in your tirade and I think you’ll see some ugly stereotyping that borders on bigotry.

    Putting people into neat little categories may be psychologically comforting, but it’s not the truth.

    And the only real way out of bigotry is to get out there and meet all kinds of people, including evangelicals.

    The alternative is to remain in a state of ignorance, in this case about a huge number of people.

  • Jack

    Esther has sadly and unwittingly proven that victimhood does not confer virtue, wisdom, or understanding. Rather than learning from her father’s experience on the difference between enemies and friends of the Jewish people, she uses it as manipulative tool to indulge her bigotry against both Jews and Christians who have a robust faith in a real God who expects real things from humanity.

  • Jack

    The Wanderer, no group is perfect, but anti-Semitism cannot be explained by the fact that Jews are no more angelic than anyone else. There is something very peculiar about anti-Semitism that transcends how Jews act. Those who have bothered to study the matter honestly and intently will know exactly what I mean. It is something that has existed in nearly all times and places, but ludicrously out of proportion to anything that Jews have done, good or bad. Anti-Semitism also is a remarkably good barometer for judging the kinds of people accepting or rejecting it. Those embracing it tend to be the goats of history. Those standing against it tend to be heroic in a host of other areas.

  • Jack

    Esther, you have no idea how small-minded and narrow your post reads. You start out relating a stark story about your father, and then use it to attack classical Judaism and Christianity. That’s a cheap tactic that thoughtful people aren’t buying.

  • ogunsiron

    One can hate the English and be considered merely eccentric. One can hate the french and be considered merely a boor. One can hate the germans, the russians, the indians, the burmese or the norwegians. One can hate black people and be considered ignorant or evil. One can hate gypsies and be thought of as basically alright but maybe a little rude for admitting it in public.

    With jews it’s totally different. If you hate jews, you belong in the psychiatric hospital, period. That’s pretty amazing.

  • ogunsiron

    I find it bizarre that as a christian, you actually think that it’s offensive to convert people to christianity. Do you think that it was offensive on the part of the apostles to make converts out of the jews they lived among ? Most of the early christian communities were made up of former jews. The formation of those christian communities was an act of hate ? I suppose that the rabbis of the time thought of it as hateful, but it’s pretty surprising to hear a christian agree that speaking to jews about christ is hateful.
    I’m an atheist, btw, not even a christian but I seem to have a higher opinion of christianity than you do. If i were a christian i wouldn’t feel so ashamed of it.

    I’ve always wanted to ask this to meek and timid christians of your kind :
    Was Jesus and antisemite ? Was your god, the founder of your religion an antisemite ? If he was, what do you plan on doing ? Are you going to leave christianity and maybe go for noachism, the dumbed down version of judaism for the non-chosen ?

  • ogunsiron

    Isn’t John Haggee the “christian” who says that Jews actually don’t need Jesus at all ? It sounds like he loves you guys for real. I’m surprised he hasn’t become a noachide yet.

  • ogunsiron

    Just become a noachide. It’s a simple. dummy version of judaism. It’s what you need, given that you don’t care about christianity anyways.

  • ogunsiron

    “ludicrously out of proportion to anything that Jews have done, good or bad.”

    This is progress because although you think antisemitism is a disproportionate reaction to possible jewish action, you admit that it is possible for jews to have acted badly in some respect. It is pretty much mainstream opinion that the jews have historically never, ever, ever done anyhing even remotely bad and that antisemitism or any hostility against jews is 100.00000% irrational.
    You seem to think it’s 99% irrational and that’s progress, in a way.

  • Larry Silverstein

    [The Reason Gentiles Should Be Judeophobia- Fear of Jews]

    Foreword — Daat Emet

    For a long time we have been considering the necessity of informing our readers about Halacha’s real attitude towards non-Jews. Many untrue things are publicized on this issue and the facts should be made clear. But recently, we were presented with a diligently written article on the subject, authored by a scholar from the Merkaz HaRav yeshiva — so our job was done by others (though we have already discussed some aspects of this issue in the weekly portions of Balak and Matot). Since there is almost no disagreement between us and the author of the article on this issue, we have chosen to bring the article “Jews Are Called ‘Men'” by R’ David Bar-Chayim (in Hebrew) so that the reader will be able to study and understand the attitude of the Halacha towards non-Jews.

    In this article R’ Bar-Chayim discusses the attitude towards “Gentiles” in the Torah and in the Halacha and comes to an unambiguous conclusion:

    “The Torah of Israel makes a clear distinction between a Jew, who is defined as ‘man,’ and a Gentile.”

    That is to say, any notion of equality between human beings is irrelevant to the Halacha. R’ Bar-Chayim’s work is comprehensive, written with intellectual honesty, and deals with almost all the aspects of Halachic treatment of non-Jews. It also refutes the statements of those rabbis who speak out of wishful thinking and, influenced by concepts of modern society, claim that Judaism does not discriminate against people on religious grounds. R’ Bar-Chayim shows that all these people base their constructs NOT on the Torah but solely on the inclinations of their own hearts. He also shows that there are even rabbis who intentionally distort the Halachic attitude to Gentiles, misleading both themselves and the general public.
    For the English readers’ convenience we will briefly mention the topics dealt with in R’ Bar-Chayim’s article:

    Laws in regard to murder, which clearly state that there is Halachic difference between murder of a Jew and of a Gentile (the latter is considered a far less severe crime).

    A ban on desecrating the Sabbath to save the life of a Gentile.

    A Jew’s exemption from liability if his property (e. g. ox) causes damage to a Gentile’s property. But if a Gentile’s property causes damage to a Jew’s property, the Gentile is liable.

    The question of whether robbery of a Gentile is forbidden by the Torah’s law or only by a Rabbinic decree.

    A ban on returning a lost item to a Gentile if the reason for returning it is one’s sympathy towards the Gentile and compassion for him.

    The sum which a Gentile overpays in a business transaction due to his own error is forfeit; whether a Jew is permitted to intentionally deceive a Gentile is also discussed.
    One who kidnaps a Jew is liable to death, but one who kidnaps a Gentile is exempt.
    A Jew who hurts or injures a Gentile is not liable for compensation of damage, but a Gentile who hurts a Jew is liable to death.

    One who overcharges a Gentile ought not return him the sum that the Gentile overpaid.

    A Gentile — or even a convert to Judaism — may not be appointed king or public official of any sort (e. g. a cabinet minister).

    One who defames a female proselyte (claiming that she was not virgin at the time of her marriage) is liable to neither lashes nor fine.

    The prohibition to hate applies only to Jews; one may hate a Gentile.
    One may take revenge against or bear a grudge towards Gentiles; likewise, the commandment “love your neighbour” applies only to Jews, not to Gentiles.
    One who sees Gentile graveyards should curse: “Your mother shall be greatly ashamed…”

    Gentiles are likened to animals.

    If an ox damaged a Gentile maidservant, it should be considered as though the ox damaged a she-ass.

    The dead body of a Gentile does not bear ritual impurity, nor does a Gentile who touches the dead body of a Jew become impure — he is considered like an animal who touched a dead body.

    One is forbidden to pour anointing oil on a Jew, but there is no ban on pouring that oil on a Gentile because Gentiles are likened to animals.

    An animal slaughtered by a Gentile is forbidden, even if the ritual slaughter performed was technically correct, because Gentiles are deemed like animals. (Daat Emet does not agree that this is the Halachic reason for invalidating a Gentile’s ritual slaughter — but this is not the place to delve into the subject).

    Their members are like those of asses” — Gentiles are likened to animals.

    Between the Jews and the Gentiles — In the Aggadah, the Kabbalah, and in Jewish Thought

    R’ Bar-Chayim’s arguments and conclusions are clear, Halachically accurate, and supported by almost all the existent major Halachic works. It would be superfluous to say that R’ Bar-Chayim fully embraces this racist Halachic outlook as the word of the Living G-d, as he himself pointed out in the “Conclusion” of his article:

    “It is clear to every Jew who accepts the Torah as G-d’s word from Sinai, obligatory and valid for all generations, that it is impossible to introduce ‘compromises’ or ‘renovations’ into it.”

    On the other hand, we want to make it clear that Daat Emet — as well as any reasonable people who do not embrace Halachic laws as the word of the Living G-d — are repulsed by such evil, racist discrimination.

    In the Hebrew text we have abridged the second part of R’ Bar-Chayim’s article,

    “Between Jews and Gentiles — In the Aggadah, the Kabbalah, and in Jewish Thought,” because, in our view, the Halacha is the law which obligates every religious Jew while concepts of the Aggadah, the Kabbalah, and Jewish thought are not binding on anyone, as our rabbis have already written:

    “And so the Aggadic constructs of the disciples of disciples, such as Rav Tanchuma and Rabbi Oshaya and their like — most are incorrect, and therefore we do not rely on the words of Aggadah” (Sefer HaEshkol, Laws of a Torah Scroll, p. 60a); we have expanded on this issue in the portion of Vayeshev.

  • Larry Silverstein

    Yo Norman,

    Have you ever read the original Protocols?
    Genesis ch 47!
    Have you ever read the Jewish Mein Kampf?
    Book of Joshua!
    Have you ever seen real evil?
    Jeremiah 17:9
    Do you know where evil comes from?
    James 1:12-22

  • Larry Silverstein

    Yo Ronny,

    The MOST important words spoken by Jesus Barabbas were:

    “Beware the leaven of the Pharisees………….” Matthew 16:6

    That leaven has been published for all to read!
    The Babylonian Jewish Talmud!


    The following is narrated in the Tract Kallah, 1b:

    “Once when the Elders were seated at the Gate, two young men passed by, one of whom had his covered, the other with his head bare. Rabbi Eliezer remarked that the one in his bare head was illegitimate, a mamzer. Rabbi Jehoschua said that he was conceived during menstruation, ben niddah. Rabbi Akibah, however, said that he was both. Whereupon the others asked Rabbi Akibah why he dared to contradict his colleagues. He answered that he could prove what he said. He went therefore to the boy’s mother whom he saw sitting in the market place selling vegetables and said to her: “My daughter, if you will answer truthfully what I am going to ask you, I promise that you will be saved in the next life.” She demanded that he would swear to keep his promise, and Rabbi Akibah did so – but with his lips only, for in his heart he invalidated his oath. Then he said: “Tell me, what kind of son is this of yours”? To which she replied: “The day I was married I was having menstruation, and because of this my husband left me. But an evil spirit came and slept with me and from this intercourse my son was born to me.” Thus it was proved that this young man was not only illegitimate but also conceived during the menstruation of his mother. And when his questioners heard this they declared: “Great indeed was Rabbi Akibah when he corrected his Elders”! And they exclaimed: “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel who revealed his secret to Rabbi Akibah the son of Joseph”!

    That the Jews understand this story to refer to Jesus and his mother, Mary, is clearly demonstrated in their book Toldath Jeschu – “The Generations of Jesus” – where the birth of our Savior is narrated in almost the same words.

  • Terry von Berg

    There is so much intellectual posturing going on that it becomes boring to follow. If I’ve understood anything being inferred as to why Christians love the Jews, I don’t think it’s for any reason other than our love for Jesus. He was a Jew. It would make little sense to love Him and hate the people that God chose to to reveal His plan of salvation to the world. Jew are no better or worse than anyone else, some will be loveable by temperament, others will be harder to like because they choose to be obnoxious, but being obnoxious is common to all cultures. So if Christians love the Jews, it’s for the sake of Christ. If we love any other nation it’s for the sake of Christ, He called us to a universal love. There is nothing exclusive in our love for Jews. Christians have been commissioned to love and evangelize the world, not just Jews. God bless

  • mkmilan

    By definition, Evangelicals love Israel- and by association, Jews, but only until they can claim Israel as their Holy Land, and CONVERT all Jews to Christianity. And Israelis nod and tolerate them and laugh all the way to the bank.

  • Jon

    Well, that’s the difference isn’t it? Any other secular person is no longer of their former religious association. Yet you remain a secular “Jew”. Why is that? What part of Judaism do you not believe is BS? Is it the genetic lineage? Getting to keep your religious-ethnic orientation while jettisoning your religious beliefs is quite the religious privilege.

  • Jon


    Is Jewish hatred of Christians or Muslims also a sing of a mental illness?

    Why or why not?

    Are there ever legitimate reasons to “hate” (I wouldn’t use such a rhetorically fuzzy concept but I’ll give it to you) another group? If so, then shouldn’t you ask those who “hate” Jews why they do and consider their reasoning, as well as compare it to the reasons some Jews “hate” others and see if we can find some parallels?

    After all, if we are going to resort to silly “mental illness” ad-hominems, we should at least examine the premises closely, no?

  • Jon

    And they would have you become Noachides, subject to a legal system that is at least two tiers with Jews in the position of Judges and Masters and, Biblically, condemns you to hard labor for he benefit of the Jews.

    Think you can convert of Judaism? Wrong. Even if you could theoretically complete the Rabbinical obstacle course that lasts the rest of your life, lest your conversion be nullified at any time, you are subject to the Mishnaic Hierarchy that would put you and your descendants social positions, as converts, just above a freed slaves for roughly 22 generations (500-700 years depending). The Jews also hold that converts work against the coming of their Messiah. A welcoming religion it isn’t.

  • Jon

    If you are a Buddhist, then by what qualification are you still a Jew? Genetic?

    I know the answer is genetic. I just like to read Jews try to explain away the fact that their religion is essentially a protective umbrella for a gene pool and thus the correct implication that all Jewish organizations, and the Jewish State itself, is primarily a racial state. That’s why you’re a JuBu (so qt!) and not just a Buddhist like the rest of Buddhists. You can’t escape your genetic political group, can you? Who would want to? Not you. I’m sure you think of yourself as liberal on most other counts though, with the exception of your Jewish ethno-nationalism (racialism). Nice politics. I wouldn’t mind if they weren’t so hypocritical. It’s funny that a state of hypocrisy was Christ’s exact primary comment about the Jews. Little changes in the genes in 2000 years.

  • Jon

    And Jews want us to all be Noachides. Why? Because they love us? No. The reasons are a little different, are they not? I’m thinking that the reason is to prepare for the World to Come, which is a world optimized for the Jews at the expense of everyone else. The Talmudic parable of the bat and the rooster comes to mind.

  • jacob Eagleshield

    Your love for jews is not returned in kind,because it is false. Jews aren’t stupid. They know when they are being scammed
    “We cannot allow the Muslims to destroy the Jews. That is our job,according to prophesy’ John Hagee

  • jacob Eagleshield

    Damn right!!!

  • Guillermina

    We can’t be Christian and hate anyone, especially the nation that Jesus loved (Israel).

    But, we can’t deny history and pretend that Jews reciprocate our love for them.

    I personally do no trust most of the Jews, neither the Catholic authorities. We had been persecuted by both of them for reasons may still exist in their minds.

    Evangelicals never persecuted anyone. Evangelicals are the product of the availability of the scriptures to everyone. The evangelical church is relatively new and base itself on the gospel.

    We are not called to be part in anyway on any bloody confrontation where innocent people suffer and die. Fighting Jews wars is against what Jesus preaches. We are not allowed to take part or make earthly enemies. Our side should always be in the side of those who suffer or are in need whoever they are. We should be protecting, never destroying.

  • Guillermina

    Looking at history and hearing what some Jews believe makes me wonder if Judaism wasn’t ever highjacked by white supremacists like Cleopatra, Caesar, or Alexander?

  • Guillermina

    A Jew does not stop being Jew by becoming Christian.

    All the Jews founder of Christianity including Jesus continued being Jews for the rest of their lives and there was a church in Jerusalem of Jews.

    Christianity even to evangelicals is not really a religion, but a transformation in your way of thinking.

    The main difference between Christian Jews and other Christian is that Jews continue their old religious practices where Jesus teachings is the fulfillment of their law. Things basically change in their actitud towards others.

    It’s not longer love your brother and hate your enemy, but love your brother and even your enemy. Sabbath was made for man and not man for Sabbath and so on. The law is not broken to Christian Jews, but rather completed.

  • Luc

    Jesus did not command anyone’s execution, but the High Priests of the Temple commanded his crucifixion. In Luke 19:27, Jesus is recounting a parable of a king who said “Execute them in front of me”. They are the king’s words.

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  • Will J.

    I am an Evangelical, a retired PhD and my best friend and collaborator in research was a Jewish PhD. I do not believe the Earth is 6,000 years old (and etc.). And I never, ever, in any way tried to convert him.

    Atheist Max is not well read, and an aggressive, confrontational a-historical, non-scholarly “cherry picker” from biased sources. However, the scholarly truth is: Hitler hated Christianity – he believed it “Judaized and weakened” the German people. He intended to do away with it.

    Hitler was afraid of two groups: the Armed forces and the German nation – both “Christian” (and even with the Gestapo could not fully control these groups). Atheist Mass Murderer Stalin brought back the Orthodox Church in WWII.Yes, Christians failed Jews in WWII…

    Despised? – hurtful… Jews are a Democratic block. For me this = higher taxes, more regulations, bigger government, faux racism, division & Christian hate… You are losing the strongest American supporters of Jews…

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