Ugandan priest: LGBT people are fleeing for Kenya to avoid rampant discrimination

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A still from "Vice" episode, "A Prayer for Uganda." Photo courtesy of HBO

A still from "Vice" episode, "A Prayer for Uganda." Photo courtesy of HBO

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SYRACUSE, N.Y. (RNS) In Uganda, LGBT people are beaten, raped, evicted and dismissed from their jobs because of their sexual identity or orientation, said the Rev. Anthony Musaala during a speaking engagement. Even associating with or advocating for LGBT people may invite discrimination, he said.

  • Larry

    But the assaults, rapes, murders and public discrimination is all done in the name of “hating sin”. Those people really loved the victims of those acts and were showing concern for the souls of the gay people. /sarcasm

    What makes this especially galling is the tacit support these African nations received from American evangelicals to put these discriminatory measures in place. They cannot enact a pogrom of gay people in the US, so they do so abroad.

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  • Dave

    I encourage people to see the documentary God Loves Uganda to better understand what is happening in Africa. http://www.godlovesuganda.com/

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Scott Lively is one of the principal anti-gays from the US who incited Uganda to make those anti-gay laws. He is defending his misdeeds in federal court now.

  • JR

    “Sexual refugees”…..wow, another sub group, of a subculture, of a culture, of humanity at large. I’m sure there are more immediate issues in Uganda that this Catholic priest could be addressing, but no, he is sponsored by an LGBT group to concentrate specifically on 500 refugees who are afraid to have sex in Uganda. Does anyone think that Uganda embraces western morality….. low standard that it is? Let the 500 move on and settle in Kenya…….within 6 months they will be slated as guests at the Academy Awards, introduced by Clooney and Sarandon. Catholicism should not embroil itself in the homosexual manifesto, since their ACTS are foundationally sinful. Protect the individual, but do nothing to forward their agenda.

  • Larry

    Its funny how you show zero sympathy for people who are being beaten, murdered, raped and discriminated against. You just attack their identity and justify the repugnant behavior against them.

    “Does anyone think that Uganda embraces western morality”

    They were inspired to act so badly by AMERICAN Christian groups who sponsored such discriminatory laws. SO the answer is they embrace American conservative Christian morality. ie, justify any kind of bad acts towards others and claim God sanctions it.

    Can you feel the Christian love here?

    JR, don’t ever make claims that Christians like yourself have any concept of morality.You are sanctioning murder, assault, rape and discrimination. Your post is a perfect example of how repugnant your version of morality is.

    Also the next time you make the phony claim that atheists or others don’t really have a moral compass because they are not Christian like you, go eff yourself.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Yes, Larry, it was just hilarious that poster wrote, “Catholicism should not embroil itself in the homosexual manifesto,” whereas we know anti-gays have enjoyed the collusion committed by the Catholic bishops in throwing anti-gay Hate Votes. The federal judge who revoked the 2008 California anti-gay H8te Vote had in his possession an email written by Catholic bishops to Mormon leaders in which they both agreed to violate California campaign finance laws to throw the H8te Vote by making secret, illegal cash and in-kind contributions to the H8te Vote. The email serves as proof positive they knew they were breaking the law; the email itself is an act of criminal collusion. Here is documentation about that email:

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/documents-show-close-links-between-prop-8-campaign-and-mormon-catholic-churches.html#comments

    The email is now in the possession of the US Supreme Court.

  • JR

    I made no judgement on the murders, rapes, etc. of gays in Uganda, so cool your pumps. It is not a civilized country, and homosexual activity should not be entwined with Catholic action by a priest. It implies recognition of homosexual acts, which the Church condemns. Let gay activists take this on themselves and not using a Catholic priest that suggests normalcy or virtue.

  • JR

    Big deal. Dealing with subversive propaganda from the gay underbelly , whose lies are astounding, may make it necessary for the righteous to choose to do whatever is necessary to keep a moral truth alive. Am I supposed to be alarmed that the Supreme Court has the smoking gun? Could care less. I’m proud of the Catholic/Mormon fight for a healthy society.

  • Ayesha

    Beatings and murders and rapes, oh my!

    This article is highly problematic in presenting a narrative of Africans as violent savages who conduct witch hunts against LGBT people. Instead, why not frame the story as one of a strong indigenous population holding to their deeply held traditional Christian beliefs in the face of colonially-imposed athiestic Western humanist values.

    Fight the Kyriarchy! Decolonize religious journalism!

  • Criss Cross

    Catholic double speak.
    The Catholic clergy were among those who petitioned the Constitutional Court of Uganda to stand in DEFENSE of the Anti Homosexuality Act.

    Now they are standing up and presenting themselves as the saviors of the homosexuals?

    Setting the house on fire, then presenting yourself as the great savior fighting to put out your own fire does not exempt you from bearing liability for the fire you started.

  • Criss Cross

    Christianity is a “Western Morality” that was imposed on Uganda by colonial powers. So yes, Uganda does embrace “western morality”.

  • Criss Cross

    When you refer to “moral truth”, you are referring to the “moral truth” you have chosen to adopt and adhere to.
    There are many truths. There is only one body of facts.
    Fact is the enemy of truth.

    Your beliefs and the followers of those beliefs do not have a monopoly on morality or truth.

  • Sister Geraldine Marie, OP, RN, PHN

    Violence is not an option for a true Christian, “…for violence is an enemy to justice.” Justice means to give each person his or her due.

    The proper way to protest is to pray for the person(s). No one has the right to harm another person for ANY REASON except self-defense.

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  • Billysees

    ” …Musaala criticizes American evangelicals who ‘parachuted into Uganda and started spreading their message of hate.’ ”

    American evangelicals and other conservatives are a loveless bunch unless you live by their attitudes. I’ve been with them and see how they work. They have few kind words to say about others and continually praise themselves.

    Also, read again Larry’s comment of 4:49 PM

  • Joe

    Congrats JR, you are saying just what we said when it was the Jews.

  • Joe

    It is super-clear to me that in Germany in the 1930s JR would have denounced Jew-friendly pastors in the same style

  • JR

    Joe, you are comical. Truly, you are. Do you need the approval of the atheistic gay anarchists here that bad? Sorry your life is so desperate. Anyway, Jews could do nothing to improve their lot in Nazi Germany. Their acts were not an issue, it was their Jewishness. If you were a Jew, you were a target……even a Christian baptized Jew was marked for elimination.
    And we are talking multi-millions of people. The atheistic Nazis were the murderers.
    Homosexuality is illegal in Uganda, no different than in the US 50 yes ago.
    Let them fight their own fight. Don’t cloud the issue by engaging a Catholic priest to do your dirty work. Really, “sexual refugees”? I gotta laugh.

  • JR

    You’re welcome, Josie. Put on the pink triangle now, like a good girl/boy.

  • Larry

    Your version of “Moral Truth” involves indifference or sanctioning of murder, rape, assault and discrimination. JR you are in no position to tell anyone what is and isn’t moral. You have no concept of the words.

  • Yes you did. You not only showed indifference to the acts, you belittled the victims with crass remarks about them being a “trendy cause”. So now in addition to being a repugnant human being, you are a bad liar as well.

  • So why don’t you show a spine and denounce the political and religious leaders who are inspiring the violence in a clear and direct manner?

  • SallyMJ

    I bet these folks would think dealing with someone not wanting to bake a wedding cake for a gay wedding is, to excuse the pun, a cakewalk.

    Sad that gays in the US have to rail about cakes when you have gays in other countries who are assaulted, beheaded, and thrown off tall buildings.

  • JR

    Oh, Larry, you are running out of names to call me. If you want to worry about 500 gays leaving Uganda then jump on the next plane to Kenya and help them. I think the comical idea of “sexual refugees” would be a cause you are prepared to be an ambassador for. Hundreds of thousands of people are being forced out of their countries for reasons far, far, more important than who they are allowed to have sex with.

  • @Sister,

    “Violence is not an option for a true Christian…”,

    Except nobody ever explained this to Jesus.

    “Bring to me those enemies of mine WHO WOULD NOT HAVE ME FOR THEIR KING, and EXECUTE THEM in front of me.” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

    A true believer is the most terrifying thing on earth.

  • “gays in the US have to rail about cakes…”

    Religion insists on bigotry no matter which country it is preached. Jesus demands it:

    “they are dogs” – JESUS
    “they are swine” – JESUS
    “they are fools” – JESUS
    “Testify against them” – JESUS
    “go and tell him his fault” – JESUS
    “execute them” – JESUS
    “the master will cut him to pieces” – JESUS
    “he will be punished severely” – JESUS
    “Hate them” – JESUS

    Go ahead and look for the context – it fixes nothing.
    The heart of Christianity, Islam and other tribalist, ancient philosophies is simply a game of ‘follow the leader.’

    Primitive peoples needed this nonsense in order to survive against other tribes thousands of years ago. Religion is worse than useless to us today.

  • Larry

    Oh no, I don’t want you to worry about the handiwork of people who share your views. That is far too inconvenient to think about.

    I just find it ridiculous that someone can dare lecture others about “moral values” and be utterly indifferent to rampant murder, rape, assault and discrimination. I am not surprised you do so.

    I just want to make it clear that I have no reason whatsoever to take you seriously when you start spouting such hypocritical garbage.

  • JR

    Lecturing morality? Isn’t it you that believes morality is set by the standard of the indigent society? Why should Uganda imitate your morals, is it one of our States? It is illegal and immoral to commit sodomy in Uganda…… have they no right to express this? That’s discrimination on your part.
    I suggest you and your army invade Uganda under your rainbow flag and fight the crusade for sexual indisgression. Let me know how it turns out.

  • Larry

    “Isn’t it you that believes morality is set by the standard of the indigent society? ”

    Um, no. I never said that, ever. Nice try. Come back again when you have a response which isn’t canned horsecrap.

    Relative morality is all you. All acts are permitted if you claim God told you its OK. You can murder, rape, assault and discriminate against anyone you think God hates. Its not the act which is bad, its who is giving the orders for you.

    I am an absolutist when it comes to morality. Morality isn’t what someone tells you is right and wrong and following an arbitrary set of rules unthinkingly. It is making decisions based on how it will affect/harm others. Knowing intentionally harming others is bad. All sane human beings know being harmed is bad. Sane human beings also know others don’t like being harmed as well.

    Its called being a human being. Something you know nothing about.

  • JR

    What hokey crap.You reword your endless tirades which render all of them meaningless. Morality is not fluid with society, it is a standard that people should seek to achieve that is immovable. Murder is always wrong…immoral, and Uganda may reach that understanding someday. Bending the rules of morality is simply immorality, whether its out of ignorance, selfishness, or fanatical defiance of what is good.

  • Larry

    JR, instead of attacking a strawman position based on absolutely nothing I have ever said, try being more responsive to the issues presented.

    “Morality is not fluid with society”

    I NEVER SAID ANYTHING THAT. You are making crap up rather than address what I have said.

    I accused YOU of being fluid in morality (“whatever I think God wants is OK to do”) and declared having a personal absolute concept of morality (actions are judged on its impact on others, not arbitrary codes and pronouncements from outside authority)

    “Murder is always wrong…immoral, and Uganda may reach that understanding someday”

    It was AMERICAN CHRISTIANS who taught them it was OK to murder gays, because God says so. They even pledged money and political support to make it easy. You certainly didn’t condemn the actions either. So your little attempt at writing this off as the work of savage Africans is pure dishonest nonsense.

  • JR,,

    “The atheistic Nazis were the murderers.”

    Atheistic? Is that why they slaughtered atheists along with the Jews?

    “My Lord and My Savior Jesus Christ, a fighter, a soldier who knew those Jews for the demons and vipers they were and he cleansed the Temple of their vile evil.” – HITLER, Mein Kampf

    The Nazis were more Christian than the Pope.
    And the Pope AGREED!*

    *Vatican Koncordat 1933 –
    The first Nazi peace treaty included the Catholic Church’s full endorsement of the Nazi Party and its stated objectives of ridding Europe of the Jews.
    Catholic Church bells celebrated Hitler’s birthday every April – even during the WAR!

  • NAZI-VATICAN PEACE TREATY
    SIGNED BY BOTH HITLER AND THE POPE
    1933:

    “Article 16”

    “Before the bishops take possession of their dioceses
    they shall take THIS OATH OF ALLEGIANCE..before the Reichsstatthalter..as follows:

    “I swear and promise before God and on the Holy Gospel, as befits a bishop, loyalty to the German Reich and to the province of …. I swear and promise to respect, and to have my clergy
    to respect…In dutiful solicitude for the welfare and interest of the German State, I shall try… to prevent any injury that might threaten it.”

    THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CLERGY
    WAS A SWORN DEFENDER
    OF NAZI GERMANY

    TO ERADICATE JEWS.

  • CATHOLIC PRIESTS SERVED AS CHAPLAINS
    DURING THE ROUNDUP AND INCINERATION OF JEWS

    FROM THE VATICAN PEACE TREATY
    SIGNED BY HITLER AND THE POPE:

    ARTICLE 27:

    “The Army Bishop is responsible for the direction of the military pastoral care. His ecclesiastical appointment is made by the Holy See after the latter has put itself in touch with the Reich Government in order to designate in agreement with it a suitable candidate.
    The ecclesiastical appointment of the chaplains and other military clergy is made by the Army Bishop after prior agreement with the competent authorities of the Reich.”

    The Catholic Church remains a criminal organization.

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