• Phil

    Well said. I could not agree more that we live in an ever changing world, one that we must adapt to without sacrificing our beliefs. But our beliefs must always be open to interpretation within the context of our current world. Well said.

  • Larry

    The whole idea of the “War on Christmas” is because some Christians can’t deal with the idea of showing a modicum of respect for beliefs besides their own.

    If one is offended by “Happy Holidays” because it does not deign to show sufficient appreciation to your Christian religious faith, well eff them. If not dominating the public sphere is some kind of attack on your religious belief, your religious belief is pretty nasty and unworthy of respect.

  • David Gushee,

    “Those losses are on us. Our fault.”

    Wrong. Christians are behaving better than ever. No more pogroms, no KKK rallies, lynchings or witch burnings (in America anyway) and far more tolerance of Jews and others despite the ravings of the Paul’s silly Letters (“Avoid them!” – Romans 16:16).
    The failure of Christianity is not because Pat Robertson, Kim Davis or Sarah Palin – although they did a lot of damage. Christianity is failing because of the internet. We can search Holy Books instantly even if we don’t own them – fully translated.

    And you know what we are learning? Religion is something we don’t have to take on faith.

    “Execute my enemies in front of me” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

    It is rotten and UNTRUE.

  • David,

    You really must not blame Christians for having to defend this horrific god:

    “As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.
    If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you as slaves” – Yahweh (Deuteronomy 20:10)

    It is dying of its own ridiculousness.

  • The Ancient Mariner

    “I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.” –Johnny Cash

    . . . do you think the Man in Black should have been arrested for murder?

  • Atheist Max has a good point, the concept of god or gods in the Old Testament
    is not exactly the God of Jesus of Nazareth. While Jesus was part of the time
    he never allowed the “war” god the god of intolerance to dominate his ministry.
    He was a “problem” to both the Jew and Roman. I do not think that Jesus would
    be offended with “Happy Holidays.” The “war god” of his time was always met
    with a story of tolerance or at least one that confronted the “status seekers” of
    the time. As he often said; “You have heard it said, but I say unto you”…………
    I keep Christ in Christmas but others have a right to their own beliefs and I am
    not out to force mine on theirs or accept theirs as a substitute .

  • larry

    Do you think the narrator of Folsom County Blues was meant to be idolized?

    Do you think people who talk of eternal damnation, or “responsibility” (of others, never themselves) really understand the point of Johnny Cash’s song?

  • David Lloyd-Jones

    “Wrong. Christians are behaving better than ever.”

    I dunno Max. They’ve gone from mildly annoying pieties to operating their own political party. This is threatening us with Donald Trump, “Ted” Cruz, “Cat Scratch Fever” Huckabee, and a bunch of others of competing religiosity.

    Wouldn’t you rather have the street corner “Repent, the end is near!” folks back?


  • Fran

    This Christian does not celebrate Christmas because of its pagan origins and traditions, it was not celebrated by Jesus nor the first-century Christians, and is a man-made and commercialized tradition.

    My newspaper every Christmas states in the almanac that “on December 25, A.D. 336, the first recorded celebration of Christmas on December 25 took place in Rome.” This was over 300 years after Jesus DIED!

    Besides that, a lie is promoted in the name of Jesus by way of Santa Claus, who does not exist and had nothing to do with Jesus’ birth (which date is not supplied in the Bible). The shepherds provided Jesus with NO gifts at all (Luke 2:8-20) at the manger. The wise men or astrologers provided Jesus later on at his home with gifts since they believed him to be the future king of the Jews (Matthew 2:1, 2, 9-11).

    This Christian is all for the war against Christmas, since it is a human tradition not approved by God, nor his son, Jesus.

  • Jeff

    I think Rev. gushes is just now noticing something that has been true for 20 years or more. The Macy’s in Pittsburgh (closed this year) always had decorated windows and none of them were explicitly about the birth of Christ. Our local station that does 24 hr a day Christmas music starting on Thanksgiving has always played mostly secular Christmas music. In fact, they seemed to have played a little more religious carols this year. Christians, at least in Christian media, have been complaining about “Happy Holidays” as a greeting since the 80’s. And from what I understand, it was because they wanted to be inclusive of Jewish customers. Does anyone remember any Christmas specials, other than Charlie Brown, that mention Jesus? I don’t think anything has changed except the religious right has become more oversensitive. I saw just as many nativities in yards this year as I ever have. Christmas eve services still seem well attended.
    I had a number of people wish me Merry…

  • David Lloyd-Jones


    If you want to post another of your long list of canned Bible horrors, wouldja just keep me out of it please. Just post your screed, and don’t pretend you’re answering anything of mine, OK?


  • Ben in oakland

    The Christian Right always talks a good game, but always get pulled up by the projection of their hypocrisy on to others.

    This whole war on Christmas things is a great example.

    There is only ONE politically correct way to wish people happiness for the season. You must say merry Christmas, no ,after what your feelings on the matter.