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President Jimmy Carter teaching Sunday School at Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains, Ga. Photo courtesy of Frank Kavanaugh

President Jimmy Carter teaching Sunday School at Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains, Ga. Photo courtesy of Frank Kavanaugh

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ATLANTA (Reuters) The theme of the lesson was love, Carter told the 300 people who filled the church's sanctuary, after briefly alluding to his health.

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  • “I say to you love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”

    If a person’s great behavior could validate the truth of his God
    we would all have hundreds of religions and Gods.
    Because there have been millions of awesome people of various faiths.

    Carter has decided to see a Jesus very similar to the one I saw when I was a Christian – the good Jesus not the judging one. He chose THAT Jesus because he was a good man.

    Good to limit your Jesus that way.

    Unfortunately, Carter was raised (as all Christians are) to think of Jews as Christ-killers. My beloved Catholic grandmother was the same. Christianity flatters the believer with a sense of superiority toward Jews – as if Christians have a special knowledge about Jews which Jews are supposedly too cruel and ignorant to grasp.
    It is BS!

    My thanks to Carter for his (mostly) impressive life.

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  • Larry

    “Unfortunately, Carter was raised (as all Christians are) to think of Jews as Christ-killers.”

    But as a man who helped make the Camp David Accords happen, he certainly put such notions to rest. Despite the occasional diplomatic tensions between Egypt and Israel, the treaty still holds and both sides have flourished from being relived of the need to defend against each other. [Of course it would have been nice if Egypt had taken back the Gaza strip, but a peace treaty is still a peace treaty]

  • Jack

    It’s probably a bit much to ask Israel to take Carter’s mimicking Christ’s advice (praying for those who hate you) and pray for him. But being pro-Israel, I’ll do so and pray for Carter. I’ll remember the good he has done in other arenas, such as his heart for the poor as evidenced by his work for Habitat.

    As for the Camp David accords, Carter triggered the peace process alright, but ironically by his folly of issuing a joint US-Soviet communique on peace in the Middle East. That scared the daylights out of Egypt’s Sadat, who had rightly kicked the Russians out of his country a few years earlier and certainly didn’t want them back. That led Sadat to go to Jerusalem and the rest is history.

  • Tanya

    Problem with your quote is that not “all “Christians” or converts to the Christian faith were raised that way. I was “born” into the Jewish faith because my Catholic mother converted to Judaism. Sorry to disappoint you AtheistMax but I wasn’t raised in anything and left to decide what I wanted to choose. I became Catholic and know from what I’ve read about Judaism and Catholicism that Christianity wouldn’t be here if it were not for Judaism. So it “flatters” Christianity with a sense of superiority towards Jews? You’re funny. Not everyone thinks that way. You do that atheists feel “superior” to believers too right? You can see that on any LinkedIn discussion lol!
    Atheist Max. were you taught that “judging” was done with cruelty and hell and fire? Sounds like it, maybe I mean. I’ve read that people mainly get themselves into hell out of their own free will. The “fire” I think is used as an artistic means of conveying the huge distress that souls experience at…

  • Jack

    Max, it is a blatant falsehood to say that “all Christians” [your words] were raised to think of Jews as Christ-killers. Some unfortunately were, but plenty were not.

    And while Jews differ on how they view the veracity of Scripture, few of them attack the words of the Jewish authors of the Bible with such vitriol as you. Many of your diatribes against the God of the Jewish people and the OT authors writing about Him are indistinguishable from the theological anti-Semitism of European Christendom. Whatever Jew-hatred you were brought up with is with you still.

    You can’t love the Jewish people in any concrete way if you so absolutely and obsessively trash their religion and their religious texts the way you do.

  • Jack

    Tanya, of course you’re right. Max views the Jews as an abstraction, not a real flesh-and-blood people with a real heritage, a real state, and real hopes and dreams. Max views the Jews as his props, a kind of unwitting battering ram to attack Christianity in all of its forms.

    But it fails because along the way, he ends up savaging every form of Judaism and the Hebrew Bible.

    And that proves one thing — An anti-Semite is an anti-Semite, whether he is a theist, an atheist, or anything in between.

    To say, “I don’t hate Jews, I just hate everything about their religion and hence their culture and I believe their holy books are a pack of hateful lies” is to be an anti-Semite.

  • Larry

    “As for the Camp David accords, Carter triggered the peace process alright, but ironically by his folly of issuing a joint US-Soviet communique on peace in the Middle East. That scared the daylights out of Egypt’s Sadat, who had rightly kicked the Russians out of his country a few years earlier and certainly didn’t want them back. That led Sadat to go to Jerusalem and the rest is history.”

    Actually Sadat’s crushing turnaround from the October War of 1973 brought him to the negotiation table. The Soviets were fairly unreliable benefactors and more beholden to Sadat’s predecessors. Expelling them had to do with maintaining power. Once it was clear that Egypt could not sustain another war with Israel without inviting catastrophe, he decided to negotiate. The peace process actually began in early 1974, before Carter was involved.

  • Larry

    Sadat’s widow Jehan spoke at my college graduation way back in the day. According to her, Anwar had claimed that the bravest thing he did was to ask Jehan’s father for her hand in marriage. The Israelis were pushovers in comparison. 🙂

  • JACK,

    “Max views the Jews as an abstraction.. not real people”

    HOW dare you??!
    My entire basis for dismissing religion is its unfairness to Jews, Christians, Muslims and every other group!

    Christianity is enforced bigotry:
    “They are SWINE” – JESUS (Matthew 7:6)

    Carter embodied this immorality of Jesus frequently:

    ….Jewish religious forces in the U.S., Israeli government decisions are rarely questioned or condemned, voices from Jerusalem dominate our media.”
    – Jimmy Carter

    Of course he was full of nonsense. And he had a low opinion of Jews.
    Carter learned it – as most Christians do – from their Christian teachings.

    The world needs religion abandoned. It is hateful, bigoted nonsense.
    Jesus is a fictional character and his words were written by bigots.

  • Jack

    But it wasn’t until 1978, I believe, that Satan went to Jerusalem…..five years after the conclusion of the October/Yom Kippur War. The precipitating event was the Carter/Soviet joint communique, which was in 1977 or early 1978. Again, Sadat had booted the Soviets and obviously didn’t want them back. Carter’s move to create the communique was essentially inviting the Soviets back into a position of influence.

    The 1974-75 post-Yom Kippur War agreements did nothing to normalize relations between Israel and Egypt. They were what they were — agreements connected to the conclusion of a war. There was no real difference between them and prior agreements after prior wars of 1967, 1956, and 1948.

    The Sadat initiative was a decisive break from the past, as evidenced by its outcome — Egypt’s recognition of Israel, a true first. And note that it was this recognition, and not the 1974-75 agreements, that led to Sadat’s assassination by foes of the recognition.

  • Jack,

    “It is a blatant falsehood to say ‘all Christians’ were raised to think of Jews as Christ Killers.”

    WRONG!

    THE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE:
    FOR ONLY THE JEWS KILLED JESUS
    “..for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men, hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost.” – (1 Thessalonians 2:15)

    THE DOCTRINE OF JESUS CHRIST:
    “THE JEWS ARE NOT PLEASING TO GOD” – (1 Thessalonians 2:15)

    Shame on those who promote such evil.

  • Jack,

    Stop making up your Christianity in your own head.

    Without the preachments against Jews there is no Christianity.
    “They are Swine” – JESUS
    “They are Dogs” – JESUS
    “They are Fools” – JESUS

  • Jack

    Max, you’ve been bashing the Jewish Bible as well as the New Testament ever since you first arrived on these boards. You’ve criticized it non-stop as immoral and wicked and hateful. You’ve gone so over the top, you’ve managed to offend Jewish posters who are far from being Orthodox and who are in fact quite liberal in their Judaism.

    You can’t bash the basic texts of the Jewish people with such relentless venom and hate and then turn around and say you respect, let alone love, the Jewish people.

  • Jack,

    “few of them attack the words of the Jewish authors of the Bible with such vitriol as you.”

    To hate the words of Mafia bosses is not to hate all Italians nor is it an indictment against all Italians.

    Stop being such a lazy thinker!
    We don’t even know if the authors of any of the Bible books were Jewish or not! They were merely disgusting, barbaric and shameful:

    GOD SAYS – CUT OFF YOUR WIFE’S HAND IF SHE TOUCHES ANOTHER MAN’S PENIS.
    “If men get into a fight with one another, and the wife of one intervenes to rescue her husband from the grip of his opponent by reaching out and SEIZING HIS GENITALS, you shall cut off her hand; show no pity.” – (Deuteronomy 25:12)

    DISGUSTING, DISGUSTING, DISGUSTING, DISGUSTING!

    It is obvious no real God said any such thing!
    These books are despicable, uncivilized depravity of the worst kind!

  • JACK,

    “You’ve criticized it non-stop as immoral and wicked and hateful. You’ve gone so over the top, you’ve managed to offend Jewish posters”

    So if I attack Hitler I am attacking all Germans too?
    If I attack Mussolini I am attacking al Italians?

    What is this fascist argument you have constructed to defend the indefensibly wicked teachings of Jesus and Yahweh?

    GOD COMMANDS RAPING INNOCENT WOMEN IN DAYLIGHT:
    “Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you…I will take your wives and will give them to your neighbor. He shall RAPE YOUR WIVES in broad daylight. …I will bring it about ..with the sun looking down.’ ” (2 Samuel 12:11)

    GOD COMMANDS
    RAPING INNOCENT WOMEN TO ‘PUNISH’ THEIR MEN!

    You claim this is defensible?
    Of course it is nothing but barbaric – no real god could ever endorse it.

    Disgusting.

  • Cynthia Astle

    Whatever else you may have heard, this Christian was not raised to hate Jews as Christ-killers. Jesus was a Jew; all his disciples were Jews. Mary is my favorite Jewish mother.

  • Jack

    Shame on you, Max, for quoting a historic mistranslation of I Thessalonians – the Jew-haters’ all-time favorite.

    Unlike the old King James Version, the New King James Version gets the translation right. The Greek word, “ioudaioi,” so often mistranslated as “Jews,” should be rendered “Judeans” or “Judean leaders,” as opposed to “Galileans.”

    Like other anti-Semites who use this mistranslation, you omit the preceding verse 14, where the writer clearly is not referencing Israel, but a particular province of Israel, namely Judea.

    14 “For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the Judeans….”

    Max, this correction was made 30 years ago, so you’ve no excuse. And newer translations specify that the writer is referencing corrupt priests who were Roman puppets, not even most Judeans, let alone all or most Jews.

  • Jack

    Max, don’t be silly. Jesus was a Jew, as were his disciples. Christian anti-Semitism was at least a century into the future when he was living and speaking. The dispute between Jesus and his fellow Jews was a family dispute, albeit a heated one…..with many nuances that were lost to Christendom until the rise of modern biblical scholarship.

    One such nuance was the difference between the Pharisees of the House of Shammai and those from the House of Hillel. The majority in Jesus’ time were of Shammai, and most of his criticisms fit Shammai not Hillel. Shammai’s school perished in the war against the Romans of 66-70 CE while the House of Hillel went on to form what’s now called Orthodoxy. The reason Jesus’ criticisms seem a bit foreign in today’s world is that he was criticizing a school of thought that died 20 centuries ago in that war — although there are plenty of individuals today, including Christians, who are Shammai-like in their legalism.

  • Jack

    So Max, you are now saying that the Jewish writers of the Hebrew Bible are to the Jewish people as Hitler was to the German people?

    What a disgusting and ignorant comment to make.

  • Jack

    Max, I can assure you that most Jews, from Orthodox to secular, do not call the Hebrew Bible “despicable, uncivilized depravity of the worst kind.”

    Again, you are savaging the basic literature and texts that inform Jewish history, Jewish religion, Jewish ethics, Jewish nationhood, and Jewish identity. Even those Jews who have no connection to any religious movement of Judaism rarely attack their own heritage and gift to the world with such hateful bigotry as you, a Gentile, do.

  • Jack

    My big mistake….I wrote “Satan” instead of “Sadat.” (I must have had Max in mind at the moment.) Obviously, I have a very high opinion of Sadat…..It took lots of courage for the man to go to Jerusalem, risking his life for the hope of a better life for his own Egyptian people as well as for Israelis — a life of peace and tranquility, not war and bloodshed.

    May we have more Sadats in the future who have a vision for a better life for humanity.

  • Jack,

    So now you claim I have attacked all Germans when I disparage Mein Kampf?

    You disparage Osama bin Laden and Al Queda – should that imply you are disparaging all Muslims?

    You are a lazy thinker.
    Your Killer god is enough to disgust me.
    I don’t need to judge his followers, too.

  • @Jack,

    “you are savaging the basic literature”

    TO DISPLAY this despicable text is to SAVAGE IT ?
    This nonsense savages itself:

    GOD COMMANDS RAPING AND STEALING AS PUNISHMENT:
    “Lo, a day shall come FOR THE LORD when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations ..houses plundered, WOMEN RAPED…the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.” (Zechariah 14:1-2)

    Criminal incitement!

  • Jesus commands death to the Jews
    who would not accept him as Messiah.

    “Bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me for a KING and execute them in front of me” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

    Please read your Bible.
    Learn what your religion is.

    Jesus demanded death to those Jews who would not accept him
    as KING OF THE JEWS.

    Please learn your religion.

  • Dr. Cajetan Coelho

    Wishing Jimmy good health. God bless.

  • Pete

    atheist max – im new and it is so obvious you are full of hate, some of which is directed against the jews

  • Larry

    You are putting too much stock in Carter’s communique. The Soviets still already had a major presence in the Middle East even without Egypt. Syria, Iraq, South Yemen were still aligned with them and they were still one of the largest arms suppliers in the region. Carter didn’t invite the Soviets back. They were already there. It was the US which was looking to expand its role.

    I put more stock in Sadat’s determination for peace and his pragmatism for getting the initiatives going.

    Both Sadat and Begin already made their reputations as tough minded warriors. Sadat as a career military leader with a penchant for survival and Begin as a terrorist during Israel’s formation. Neither had to prove anything to their peers. One couldn’t hope for two better leaders for hammering out a peace treaty.

  • Jack

    Well, mine is not exactly a novel view. And people who knew Sadat say that the communique alarmed him greatly and was the catalyst.

  • Jack

    Ultimately, it’s the timing that speaks volumes in favor of a connection. There was little evidence that Sadat, who, after all, had launched the surprise attack on Israel in 1973, had any interest in normalizing relations in the years that followed. Then along came the communique, several years later, and very shortly thereafter, Sadat went to Jerusalem.

  • Jack

    Wrong Max. Your analogy compares the Jewish writers of the Bible to Hitler. That’s beyond despicable. But coming from you, it’s not surprising at all.

  • Jack

    Max, you are misusing texts from the Hebrew Bible in order to bring shame and whip up hatred against it. And as we’ve seen in your other posts on this board, you have compared the writers of the Hebrew Bible to Adolf Hitler.

    If all of this isn’t anti-Semitism, I don’t know what is.

  • Jack,

    “despicable”

    Indeed:

    “Kill homosexuals” – (Leviticus 20:13)
    “Kill followers of other religions”- (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
    “Kill unruly children” (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
    “Kill blasphemers” (Leviticus 24:10-16)
    “Kill false prophets” (Deuteronomy 13:1-5)
    “Kill Idoloters” (Romans 1:24-32)
    “Kill Lesbians” (Romans 1:24-32)
    “Kill gossipers” (Romans 1:24-32)
    “Kill approachers of the Tabernacle” (Numbers 1:48-51)
    “Kill those who work the Sabbath” (Exodus 31:12-15)
    “Kill brats” (2 Kings 2:23-24)
    “Kill sons of sinners” (Isaiah 14:21)
    “Kill old men and young women” (Jeremiah 51:20-26)“No rights for women” – (Eph 5:22)
    “Women should not lust” – (Ezekiel 23:20)
    “Rape is the women’s fault” – (Ezekiel 23:17)
    “conquered people are your slaves” – (Deut 20:10)
    “Rape the pretty slaves” – (Deut 21:14)
    “Mass rape commanded by god” (Numbers 31:18)
    “I came to burn up the world” – JESUS (Luke 12:51)
    “I did not come to bring peace.” – JESUS

  • Jack,

    “Anti-semite”

    When did I say something against Jews!?
    I was raised Catholic but am partly Jewish myself!

    I have pointed out the anti-semitism endemic to Christianity and the anti-semitism of Jimmy Carter.

    Is that is your argument against me?
    You think hating a PRISON is the SAME AS hating the PRISONERS !?
    You are acting as inhuman as your phony Yahweh.

  • Jack,

    “If all of this isn’t anti-Semitism, I don’t know what is.”

    Are you out of your mind?

    “Save the virgins for RAPE” – (Num 31:18)
    “enslave people who surrender” – (Deut. 20:10)
    “Marry your rapist” – (Duet. 22:28)
    “Raping your neighbor’s wife is a good way to punish your neighbor” – (2 Sam 12:11)
    “Sell your daughter for sex money” – (Exodus 21:7)
    “Do some raping and stealing” – (Zech 14:1-2)
    “stop ignoring god’s wonderful slaughter” – (Zeph 3:16)
    “Kill babies joyfully” – (Isaiah 13:15)
    “More genocide just for you” – (Ex 23:23)
    “Kill without mercy” – (Jer 15:1-7)
    “Kill your neighbor” – (Jer 48:10)
    “Let us abort all of the babies” – (Hosea 9:11-16)
    “I am a bigot, I’m only for the Jews” – JESUS (Matt 15:26)
    “Ok, to whip your slaves severely” – JESUS (Luke 12:47-48)
    “Kill them even if they are sorry” – (Jer 15:1-7)
    “Never make peace with them” – (Exod 34:15)

  • Pete,

    “anti-semite”

    I have said nothing against Jews anywhere at any time!
    How could you possibly come to that conclusion?

    I am calling out Jimmy Carter’s bigotry as well as the source for it!

    Jimmy Carter said:
    “….Jewish religious forces in the U.S., Israeli government decisions are rarely questioned or condemned, voices from Jerusalem dominate our media.”
    – Jimmy Carter

    He didn’t like Jews. I offered WHY THIS IS SO:
    He was taught to see Jews as “Christ-Killers.” I KNOW about this because I was raised the same way he was!
    And I RENOUNCED Christianity – I’m an Atheist!

    I place all the blame on Jesus himself!

    Jesus condemned those who would not follow him.
    All the Jews who reject Jesus …ACCORDING TO YOUR CHRISTIANITY… are considered evil.

    I am denouncing this bigotry!
    I am denouncing Jesus’ hatred of Jews and non-believers. Jesus has no right.

  • Larry

    “There was little evidence that Sadat, who, after all, had launched the surprise attack on Israel in 1973, had any interest in normalizing relations in the years that followed.”

    Other than a resounding defeat after initial victories and very evident fractures in the alliance with Syria. Add to that the possibility of losing the Suez Canal. Sadat was not Nasser. He already saw the farce which was Pan-Arabism. Once it was clear that Egypt had no chance of continuing the conflict, peace was in the best interests of his country.

  • Jack

    Larry, on this one, I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong. I just don’t claim the ability to get into Sadat’s head for the years 1974-1978. It may well be that the seeds of thought leading to Sadat’s going to Jerusalem and eventually recognizing Israel began in those years. The problem is that it’s just speculation. But there is evidence that the Carter/Soviet 1977 communique alarmed Sadat enough to make his historic trek to Jerusalem leading to recognition.

  • Jack

    Max, all of your screaming headlines and frantic bolding of words can’t hide the fact that you really are a roaring anti-Semite — and an exceptionally dull-witted one at that.

    Anyone who reads the progression of posts here can see it quite clearly.

    Even your citation of the infamous I Thessalonian mistranslation is a staple of neo-Nazi white supremacist hate sites.

    And your equation of Jewish writers with Hitler is further evidence. Any equation of anything Jewish with Hitler is designed to wound and hurt.

  • Larry

    “Larry, on this one, I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong. I just don’t claim the ability to get into Sadat’s head for the years 1974-1978. ”

    Except to say that a Carter memo scared him into peace negotiations. 🙂

    “But there is evidence that the Carter/Soviet 1977 communique alarmed Sadat enough to make his historic trek to Jerusalem leading to recognition.”

    Except your take on it is completely at odds to what the Soviets were already doing in the Middle East. They had fairly strong connections to the Arab world in the 1970’s even without Egypt. The US didn’t. The Soviets were also the main supplier of Middle Eastern professional terrorism until the early 1990’s.

  • Jack

    Max, you have had ample opportunity, in post after post, to back off your hatred but all you’ve done is double down on it. You’re the religious equivalent of someone who denies they are anti-Semitic while wishing Israel and its people dead. No, you say, you’re not anti-Semitic. You just hate the forerunners of Jewish identity and religion, nation and heritage, and compare them to Adolf Hitler, that’s all.

    Unbelievable….

  • Jack

    Wonderful, Max. So you admit you were raised to hate Jews, you exhibit your continued hatred of Jews on this board, and you protest that because you’re no longer a Catholic but an atheist, that somehow makes you immune to remaining anti-Semitic or becoming even worse on this score?

    Please.

    And now you lie again about Jesus being a Jew-hater, when you as well as everyone else here knows that he was a Jew who was killed by the non-Jewish Roman procurator, Pilate, and the Roman garrison, with the deliberately mocking words, “King of the Jews,” hung above him by Pilate while he was crucified.

    You’re not about “denouncing” bigotry, Max. You’re about spreading it, with your grotesque recycling of age-old anti-Semitic hate screeds against the Hebrew Bible and its Jewish authors, whom you compared to Hitler. The fact that you do so under the guise of atheism doesn’t change anything at all. Hate is hate. Bigotry is bigotry, no matter what label you call yourself.

  • Jack

    Max, you’re playing precisely the same games that neo-Nazi hate sites play, with the Hebrew Bible, as they play both with it and with the Talmud.

    The goal is to trash Judaism by defaming and degrading the Jewish authors, making them look like depraved, bloodthirsty devils as opposed to remarkable human beings whose words have influenced cultures and peoples around the world more than any words penned by any human beings in history.

    Congratulations, Max, on resurrecting from its shallow, ignoble grave all the hateful stereotypes against Jews from medieval Christendom.

    No, you’re not anti-Semitic, Max….it just looks that way in every respect, that’s all.

    I used to

  • Jack

    ….think it was just your atheism that drove you in this direction, Max. It is far too obvious now that your problem goes far beyond that. Most atheists don’t do what you’re doing…not even close.

  • Jack

    Actually, no, Larry, aside from Israel, Egypt was the linchpin of the Middle East. Certainly it was the Mideast’s most consequential Arab nation. Sadat’s kicking out the Soviets was a serious blow to their influence. Granted, they funded Arafat and his terrorist PLO, but that was hardly the same thing as having legitimate influence over an actual country like Egypt.

    What Carter’s communique did was to invite the Soviets to play a pivotal role in any future Mideast peace agreement. Sadat’s response — going to Jerusalem — was a transparent move to cut that effort short. Rather than waiting to see how the communique would play out, Sadat pre-empted it by initiating his own peace effort.

    This cut the Soviets out of any subsequent deal. And of course that was good for all three participants in the Camp David talks — the US, Egypt, and Israel — that eventually followed the Sadat visit to Jerusalem.

  • Jack,

    How do you figure me to be anti-semitic ?
    when I am the only one here defending and arguing in favor of the Jewish people?

    Christianity is Anti Jewish.
    “THE JEWS… ARE NOT PLEASING TO GOD” – Saint Paul (1 Thessalonians 2:15)

    Islam is anti-semitic:
    “Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends.” (Sura 5:51)

    Shame on you.
    These are your religions!
    These are your beliefs! This is what YOU ARE DEFENDING.

    I am truly disgusted by these horrific preachings against Jews – which you defend! And which you preach!

  • @Jack,

    “You just hate the forerunners of Jewish identity and religion..

    Nonsense.
    I hate your religion, Christianity – it is a Jewish-hating religion.

    ARE YOU DENYING THAT THIS IS YOUR RELIGION?

    “THE JEWS ARE NOT PLEASING TO GOD” – Saint Paul (1 Thessalonians 2:15)

    Why are you trying to wriggle out of your belief in your anti-semitic Jesus?

    Why are you throwing your Jew-Hating Jesus under a bus?

    Have I finally hit a hot button and awakened you to your Jew-Hating religion?

  • Jack

    Max, you’ve filled this comments section with hate-mongering against the Hebrew Bible. You’ve trafficked in traditional medieval anti-Semitic canards about Jews being bloodthirsty and depraved, by attacking their Biblical forerunners — the actual Jewish writers — in like manner. And of all the verses in the entire New Testament, you just happened….by coincidence, of course (NOT)… to have chosen the favorite verse of anti-Semitic hate sites — and not just that verse, but an earlier mistranslation which makes it sound anti-Semitic. And then, when I showed you the correction in the New King James version, you ignored it and went right along with the original mistranslation, exactly the way the hate sites do. You’d rather keep the hate going than stop it in its tracks, at least regarding that verse.

  • Larry

    “but that was hardly the same thing as having legitimate influence over an actual country like Egypt. ”

    They had legitimate influence over at least 3 actual countries in the region.

    Sadat and Begin were already negotiating prior to the communique. There is plenty of evidence which refutes your idea that Sadat was scared into peace talks. Neither Israel nor Egypt had any intention on inviting the Soviets into peace talks. Sadat had responded to Carter’s hamhanded early effort by saying that the US should not interfere with Egypt and Israel negotiating directly with each other.
    Check out:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=vVpz7b9DiNgC&pg=PT77&lpg=PT77&dq=middle+east+soviet+carter+communique&source=bl&ots=YjV9-KrEcu&sig=KWJncUiFYos6rO0j3vaeGdSZAVE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDMQ6AEwA2oVChMIs_6U0MjHxwIVA3Q-Ch3xtAnf#v=onepage&q=middle%20east%20soviet%20carter%20communique&f=false

  • Jack

    The Soviet influence on Egypt was key. The only thing close was its influence on Syria. The loss of influence on Egypt was a huge blow.

    And again, there’s a difference between two leaders interacting in the context of the close of a war versus the context of one of them making a historic move to recognize the other. Concerning the latter, it was Carter’s communique with the Soviets that was followed by Sadat’s visit to Jerusalem.

    When accounting for most things, the simplest and most straightforward explanation — the one requiring the fewest intellectual gymnastics — is usually the right one:

    (1) Sadat booted the Russians. (2) Several years later, Carter sought to bring them back into the picture, specifically regarding Mideast peace. (3) Sadat replied by going to Jerusalem with the intent of making peace with Israel before the Russians could get back in and reassert influence over his country via any peace process led by them.

  • Jack

    Max, only an ignorant and bigoted buffoon like you would use Zechariah 14 — in which a Jewish prophet, peering into the future, foretells a terrible moment in the future when the Jew-haters temporarily will have the upper hand — against that prophet and accuse him of “criminal incitement.”

    You really are a creepy and loathsome character.

  • Jack

    Max, only an ignorant and bigoted buffoon like you would use Zechariah 14 — in which a Jewish prophet, peering into the future, foretells a terrible moment in the future when the Jew-haters temporarily will have the upper hand — against that prophet and accuse him of “criminal incitement.”

    You really are a creepy and loathsome character.