Eugene Peterson had this to say about same-sex issues in 2014

One of the pastors I spoke with about Eugene Peterson is Fred Harrell, pastor of City Church in San Francisco. He attended a conference in 2014 in which Peterson shares insights that are interesting in light of recent events. Below is the video of the Q and A with Peterson at Western Seminary.

Around the 2:23 mark, Peterson talks about being raised in a culture when gay was "really bad." He says, "I accepted the status quo." But recently, Peterson says, he thought about two homosexual men in his church, one who committed suicide and another who was divorced by his wife.

The result, Peterson said, was that, "I started to change my mind."

Around the 2:31 mark, Peterson is asked about how to pastor families whose children come out as gay. He says, "I've helped several families accept their children as gay. And, uh, they are devastated at first and then with just careful, prayerful conversation, they've finally accepted that this is not a bad thing, that this can be a good thing. This can be a flourishing thing."

Around the 2:36 mark, Peterson says, "I've paid attention to the literature that's written on homosexuality by evangelicals, by mainline people. And when people, a lot of pastors have asked me about this, call about it, and I copy these things." He references an article "in the Christian Century right now" that he calls "brilliant" and "masterful."

What was the article Peterson lauded and recommended? It was titled, "What is marriage now? A Pauline case for same-sex marriage" by Gerald Schlabach.

The video provides a window into the nuance of Peterson's views on this issue.

 

Comments

  1. A truth: I am puzzled by Peterson’s all-over-the-map remarks.

    Also a truth: I don’t understand what you are attempting to do at this point, Mr. Merritt. This seems less like reporting and more like pushing an agenda. What exactly that agenda is, I don’t know, but first there were no follow-up questions in the what you had to have known would be an explosive final interview piece and now there’s this…what, throwing Peterson under the bus? Challenging his retraction?

    What exactly are you aiming for here?

  2. I read the article and I feel the same way the author does on much of what he talks about. I don’t know that I can reconcile his conclusions with the scripture that he uses. I will read it all again more closely. I will say that in the next few years same sex couples married are going to start showing up in all our churches and I think Paul tells how to receive them, as they are in the state they are in.
    As far as what church bodies do, I know of a church that does not baptize babies because they don’t see babies being baptized in the Bible. There is an honest theological disagreement there with what other churches do. What this church does do, they dedicate parents of new borns asking the parents to raise the child in a loving Christ honoring home. And the church affirms to be the resource it needs to be to partner with them in doing that. This church that I’m thinking of as an example is a pretty conservative church and I really don’t see the theology changing to allow performing same sex marriages. I think there can be a very honest disagreement on that theology between church bodies. What must happen in conservative churches is we must understand that some of the children that God has placed within our influence will be gay. Any theology that places a special curse on homosexuality just does not hold up. The home and the church should be the two safest places in the world to confess a same sex attraction, no matter if the act is considered a sin or not. The fact that those kinds of confessions have not been safe in our homes and churches is bad enough. To know what we know today and remain a place where honesty will lead to ridicule is a homosexual based sin perpetrated by heterosexuals. If we do not change our way Romans 2:1 is prophetic of us. As long the debate is about marriage and not about people we will come up with wrong answers. We want to be careful with marriage, I will always believe it was created by God. I do not want to find myself worshipping creation instead of the creator though, to use a popular conservative quote. That is what I find myself doing (no matter which way I look at this issue) until I start to consider who God created. My view of a marriage should not signal my acceptance of anyone. I saw that modeled by a interviewer and a interviewee this week as mentioned in Merrit’s other article concerning Petterson’s retraction. That leaves me hopeful, inflating my confidence that Romans 2:2 does not have to be reserved for us. #truth

  3. What was Lifeway and other right-wing conservatives pushing for with their threats? What exactly was THEIR agenda.

  4. How does this serve Christ, the Church, and ‘fair,’ balanced reporting? In all due respects: it smacks of hunting for ‘dirt,’ along with being an exercise in self-vindication: “see, we were right, all along; Peterson is the ‘problem,’ ‘playing both sides of the street.’ Frankly, we all are ‘the problem,’ for we’ve all wrestled with this issue, and have ventilated a wide range of opinions, but in the ‘safety’ of the Christian community. For me, airing this video is a violation of that safety, even though it was recorded in a public forum. With that said, I view the video as but a snapshot of Peterson’s struggle, which is not dissimilar to the struggle many of us have had. Frankly, Peterson’s struggle is laudable, as it speaks of his openness to honest conversation and his acknowledgment this is not an easy or obvious issue. Speaking of the Christian Century, one of their finest journalist enterprises was the series: ‘How My Mind Has Changed.” The title was self-descriptive, chronicling the authentic shifts in thinking of prominent Christian leaders. The takeaway: the best leaders do change their thinking, over time. And so, the video featured (which is self-serving) is best viewed as one moment in the evolution of Peterson’s thinking, a thought process that has now landed in a different place. Sure, Peterson’s current view could also change, but for now, we are called to accept his retraction, extend grace, and move on.

  5. I hate to bring this up, but when you do a 180 in a matter of hours, your credibility goes down the tube. “I’m in favor of it …. wait, no, I’m against it… stand by for updates!”

  6. I don’t see it as “hunting for dirt.” How is this dirt? It sounds like Jonathan is attempting to get to the truth (a reporter’s job) since Peterson’s current statements are now being made under duress.

  7. Reality has a way of being all over the map, as well as having a liberal bias. Maybe the alleged agenda is simply to show that as with witch burning and slavery and heretic torturing, the minds of many Christians are changing on this subject.

  8. No Ben…the minds of Christians will always be the same. Apostate, or heretics pretending to be Christians may be all over the map, but not Christians.
    Hebrews 13:8 – English Standard Version (ESV)
    8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

    Hence, Christians do not change.

  9. “Any theology that places a special curse on homosexuality just does not hold up. ”

    Leviticus 18:22 – 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

    Leviticus 20:13 – If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.”
    It has held up all these years.
    Marriage?

    1 Corinthians 7: 2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband.”
    Anything else is immorality.

  10. Under, I think he is an old man. He’s 84, as stated in one article. Leave the man alone and just let him be and Merritt should have just done that out of respect for him.

  11. Eating pork, shellfish and cheeseburgers is also called an abomination according to Deuteronomy 14:3 using the exact same word in Hebrew!

    Doing any work on the Sabbath is really the only command that carries a special curse in Scripture. In fact, it’s the only command that, when broken by a man gathering firewood, God himself orders the man’s death. (Numbers 15:32-36) But Christians go grocery shopping, balance their checkbooks, rake leaves and get their car’s oil changed on the 7th day without anyone batting an eye.

    Got to love that hypocrisy.

    1 Cor 7:2 per its rhetorical context addresses monogamy and fidelity, not sexuality.

  12. Calling something else an abomination doesn’t make homosexuality less of a sin, Dan.
    Christ taught that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
    It is discussing sexuality and how anything other than that is immoral. Read it again.

  13. Christians change all the time. They changed within Scripture (see the Council of Jerusalem) and they have certainly changed after Scripture. The earliest Christians believed that any sex without the express intent to procreate was a sin; they banned charging interest on a loan; they lived communally and renounced war.

    While Jesus Christ doesn’t change, how Jesus is understood and how is message is applied has to change as our circumstances change.

  14. What did the Council of Jerusalem change?
    No If Jesus were to change, how would one know what to believe and what one could count on. Kind of like how the liberals have turned “christianity” into today, eh? No one knows what to believe, so you have to go back to the Bible to get the truth.

  15. One thing I said is the home should be one of the safest places to be fully known. How does your house operate during your menstrual period according to the laws of Leviticus? Have you been sacrificing doves and pigeons? Have you followed all the ceremonial cleansings? Or are you in danger of dying for defiling God’s dwelling place which is amongst you?

  16. 1) What does “special” mean?

    2) Leviticus 18:22/Levitius 20:13 don’t condemn homosexuality. They condemn one sexual act: male anal sex. There are plenty of gay men who don’t have male anal sex and no lesbians do. Also, it applies to kosher keeping Jews only. Also too, Jesus, Paul and James all said that unless you keep all 617 commands perfectly, you can’t condemn others if they don’t keep all the commands else you’re a hypocrite.

    3) If you’re arguing that male anal sex is as much of an abomination for Christians as eating a cheeseburger, I’ll grant you that. At least you’re consistent in applying the Law. But that can’t be reconciled with male anal sex carrying any “special curse”.

    4) So you’re saying that God ordered the death of a man for doing something that wasn’t really a sin in Numbers 15? Interesting.

    5) Nope. Paul is clearly talking to those who are already married and addresses monogamy and fidelity within marriage. Paul doesn’t command all people to get married heterosexually, else many of the disciples themselves would be sinning.

  17. It ended the circumcision requirement and the requirement that Christians keep kosher, despite Jesus saying that He did not come to end the law and that not one command would be removed until His return.

  18. Circumcision is still necessary if one is a Jew. It showed a new freedom for Christians though.
    Absolutely, Christ came to fulfill the law. And He did the ceremonial and civil laws – Christians are no longer needing to abide by them, but He brought the moral laws into the New Covenant.

  19. 1) you made the comment; define it
    2) Leviticus condemns homosexuality. Show me your scripture where Christ teaches that homosexuality is good.
    3)Christians can eat cheeseburgers – show me your scripture against it.
    4) You need to deal with Christ on that one
    5) Yes Paul made it clear that any sex, except that of a husband and wife is immoral.

  20. Circumcision isn’t necessary to become a Jesus follower even if they are of Jewish background. There is no church that enforces that.

    There is nothing in Scripture that separates ceremonial and civil from moral laws. (Various theologians, including St Thomas Aquinas tried, but it was their guesswork.) Also, the Council of Jerusalem kept the prohibition on the consumption of blood but no one gets upset if someone eats a raw steak, which would be forbidden by the Mosaic Code.

  21. Jews still practice circumcision.
    Churches are Christian, not Jewish.
    Whether it is separated in scripture is irrelevant. There is a big difference between using different utensils and homosexual sex. Think a bit there Dan.

  22. 1) You disputed the OP when he said that homosexuality didn’t carry a special curse. I’ve argued that there can’t be a special curse since the same word (to’evah in Hebrew) is used against the consumption of forbidden foods. Something can’t be special if it is applied to a whole bunch of different things.

    2) Leviticus condemns male anal sex, not homosexuality. It mentions one sex act by men. Homosexuality applies to a whole bunch of different romantic and sexual acts not mentioned in the passage (kissing, hugging, oral sex, etc. etc.). Mosaic law applies to Jews only. Scripture says you can’t add or subtract from the law, which is what you’re doing here.

    3) Already answered: see Deuteronomy 14

    4) I’m asking you. Why can’t you address this contradiction?

    5) You haven’t proved that using that passage. Sorry.

  23. No deflection….show where Christ endorsed the sin.
    If there were no male anal sex, there would be no male homosexuality. We can love each other and Christ wants us to. Men used to give each other a brotherly kiss. When you combine that with sex, you have homosexuality. Pretty simple.
    Christ called cheeseburgers an abomination in Deut. 14? Where?
    Ask the Lord. He hasn’t sent me a memo on that.
    I’ve made it very clear.

    When one sins sexually, they sin against themselves and God.
    1 Corinthians 6:18 – English Standard Version
    Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.”
    That makes it different from any other sin. Christ is trying to protect homosexuals from themselves also.

  24. It’s you who isn’t thinking. There is no difference between using different utensils and homosexual sex. At best, both are applications of a purity code.

    Christians prior to the Council of Jerusalem required that gentle converts to Christianity be circumcised and keep kosher because Jesus never said that we shouldn’t. Paul argued that this kept gentles from converting. The Council of Jerusalem agreed with Paul. Christians changed, which was my point.

    Paul said in Romans 13:

    “Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.”

    There is nothing about being a gay relationship that harms others, so no immorality is taking place.

  25. “show where Christ endorsed the sin.”

    I don’t need to. I’ve asked repeatedly why I should take Leviticus 18:13 literally if I don’t have to take Deut 14 literally. You won’t answer it. That is answer enough.

    “If there were no male anal sex, there would be no male homosexuality.”

    This is the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time. You are too much. Thanks for the laugh.

    “Christ called cheeseburgers an abomination in Deut. 14? Where?”

    More deflection. You asked for Scripture. I gave it to you. Now you’re moving the goalposts.

    “Ask the Lord. He hasn’t sent me a memo on that.”

    You can’t think for yourself?

    “I’ve made it very clear.”

    By posting a verse that doesn’t say what you want it to say. Clear indeed.

    At least now I know who I’m dealing with. I won’t waste more time on someone who is this out of it. Have a good weekend.

  26. If there is no difference between using different utensils and homosexual sex, then perhaps you’d best warn the homoseuxals that they are breaking a purity code also, as you stated.

    I’ve given you several scripture. It is not loving to let your neighbour go to Hell without helping him not to.
    You may not see anything wrong with the relationships, but Christ taught that they are: “dishonourable passions”, “unnatural relations”, “contrary to nature”, ‘gave up natural relations with women”, “shameless acts.”
    Your concern is better to be taken up with the Lord than me. He taught these things to protect them.

  27. “If there is no difference between using different utensils and homosexual sex, then perhaps you’d best warn the homoseuxals that they are breaking a purity code also, as you stated.”

    Fortunately Christians aren’t bound by purity codes, just as you have argued.

    “I’ve given you several scripture.”

    But nothing that says what you want it to say. You can’t just post Scripture devoid of its rhetorical and historical context and make it mean anything you want it to. Words have specific meanings.

    ‘You may not see anything wrong with the relationships, but Christ taught that they are: “dishonourable passions”, “unnatural relations”, “contrary to nature”, ‘gave up natural relations with women”, “shameless acts.””

    In which Gospel did Christ say that they are: “dishonourable passions”, “unnatural relations”, “contrary to nature”, ‘gave up natural relations with women”, “shameless acts.”? Matthew? Luke? John? Christ didn’t actually mention homosexuality.

    Perhaps you’re confusing Christ with Paul’s paraphrase of the Book of Wisdom 14:16-15:3 in Romans 1:18-32 which he was using to critique in Romans 2? Christ didn’t write Romans. Paul did. Wisdom 14/Romans 1 is a judgment of the excesses of Roman paganism which is being used as a set up for what Paul says in Romans 2 about judging others.

    “It is not loving to let your neighbour go to Hell without helping him not to.”

    I’m not worried about hell. I’m saved through faith, not works.

  28. You are trying to make Christians follow the letter of the law – remember your cheeseburger theory? lol
    The scripture I cited was exact. I’m sorry you are unable to understand it.
    The Gospel of Romans. Romans 1:26-27
    If you are practicing homosexuality, you need to repent, my friend. God loved you enough to die for you and God is not to follow what we want, we are to follow what He taught. He taught that a homosexual will not see the Kingdom of Heaven. Repent, my friend and find life.

  29. Just to clarify, Peterson’s comments were made at Western THEOLOGICAL Seminary, in Holland, MI. This is 1 of 2 seminaries in the Reformed Church in America (RCA). Not to be confused with Western Seminary, as it is written, which is in Portland. I attended this seminar, and it was a beautiful, intimate time with Eugene, whose grace and wisdom far exceeds most.

  30. Obviously Lifeway is part of the Illuminati.

    Kidding, kidding.

    I read some interesting thoughts about this over in a group I’m part of on Facebook. Some came down on the side of the business having the right to pull materials for whatever reason at any time. Others believe it would be better to keep that which has been beneficial for many years. I’m not quite sure where I land.

  31. Well, you got a bunch of responses from not-me before I had time to wander back over here.

    I studied journalism in college. There wasn’t a day that went by without the adviser pounding into our barely-out-of-adolescence minds that our job was to report the news, not to shape it. Now, of course, no human is entirely without bias, but there is definitely a difference between the reporting and the shaping. Merritt appears to be doing the latter here. To what end, I don’t know.

  32. “You can’t just post Scripture devoid of its rhetorical and historical context and make it mean anything you want it to. Words have specific meanings.”
    Not to Sandi.

  33. You don’t understand that people don’t feel as if Christ fulfilled the civil and ceremonial aspects of the law after coming in contact with you Sandy?
    This may help you:

    All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. Isaiah 64:6

    Either show some grace or put a rag in it.

  34. EP has held a public platform longer then most who re-acted to his statements. EP please clear up the mass confusion you started? But please use scripture only.

  35. Absolutely. Now I’ll give you a few scripture:

    2 Timothy 4 – English Standard Version

    1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

    Ephesians 5:5 – For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

    Repent and be saved.

  36. Sandy quoting scripture at people and telling them to repent all day is no different than telling someone to eff off all day long. Your just turn yourself into someone to be avoided. People feel unclean after they have come into contact with you. It is not the conviction of their sin they feel, it is the filth of your self righteousness. But you know that.

  37. There is no other way to do it, GJ.
    I have absolutely no authority – Christ does – so, you let Christ do the talking and the truth is put out for all to see.
    One can avoid me all they want, and many probably already do, but you know GJ, there will be a person coming onto the thread who is looking for answers on a website advertising “religion”, and they will get it – straight from Christ’s mouth and they may be saved from the lies of the culture because of this. What greater joy is there?
    If pride in Christ is self-righteousness, then guilty as charged – to my joy!

  38. Ben, I agree that reality has a way of being all over the map, but if you think reality has a liberal bias, you live in a different world than I do. The reality is that people are broken and evil: if you took away government and the police force that keeps order, the reality is that we will quickly descend into anarchy. Looting will start, the powerful (and armed) will likely start robbing and, if we are honest, raping and killing. it will be like Lord of the Flies. And the first people to go will likely be the liberal elite.

  39. Well.

    So you’re trying to say that conservative people are naturally violent and quickly descend into anarchy?

    Well.

    us silly liberals seem to have more faith in people, or at Least far fewer tendencies towards violence.

  40. You are a glutton for punishment, but thanks for trying.

  41. He said He came to fulfill the Law – which He did.

  42. Sure about that? Here Jesus separates the ceremonial and civil law from the moral law.
    Matt. 15:10 He called the crowds and said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 That which goes into the mouth does not defile a man, but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.” 16 Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters at the mouth goes into the stomach and is cast out into the sewer? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual immorality, thefts, false witness, and blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

    Paul gives us principles for discerning what we are allowed to do – here it is the eating of mean but the principle can be applied to many of the gray areas:
    I Cor. 8:8 But food does not commend us to God. Neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I cause my brother to stumble.

  43. “There is nothing about being a gay relationship that harms others, so no immorality is taking place.”
    Nothing other than God calls it an abomination. That’s all.
    Lev. 18:22
    Rom. 1:24ff
    The CDC – see their fact sheets on Men having sex with men. https://www.cdc.gov/std/stats14/msm.htm

  44. That is not what the Council did, Dan. The Council, made up of Torah-observant Jewish Christians, simply declined to extend the Torah’s requirements to Gentile converts to Christianity. The reason being that they had NEVER been required of righteous Gentiles and they saw no reason why they should be required under Christianity either. The only things retained were a couple of pre-Torah rules about meat and the sexual prohibitions (since Leviticus clearly stated that God had judged and rejected the Gentile nations of pre-Israelite Canaan for those practices).

  45. As Paul pointed out sexual immorality is a sin against our own body which is the temple of the Holy Spirit. We can not love God while repudiating His creation design and purposes.

  46. no, i’m saying that everyone is self-motivated and that’s true of liberals AND conservatives. It’s human. And that means despite all the flowery talk that comes out of liberals mouths, when push comes to shove, they will act like a conservative. A few examples that illustrate my point. I tried to draw examples from the Bay Area, since you live in Oakland:

    Academia- overwhelmingly filled with progressive liberals. yet, if you look at the profession, it is the most cut throat profession out there. They pay adjunct professors below minimum wage, they work tenure track professors to the bone and then deny them tenure, they politick like crazy for department chairs. Treating subordinates like dirt doesn’t seem very progressive to me.

    Silicon Valley – a hotbed of liberal activism, where no one votes Republican (or at least admits to voting Republican!) and yet…..there is a bro culture that is playing out very prominently in the press right now. How is that liberal?

    Schooling in San Francisco – likely the most liberal city in the country and yet….if you look at where they send their kids to school, it is among the places with the highest rate of private school attendance. I thought liberals believed is a level playing field for all?

    Housing in major metropolitan areas – again, super “liberal” areas, but yet, the nimbyism in the major cities that prevents the development that would actually lower housing prices doesn’t exist. what happened to providing for those who are less fortunate?

    You mentioned liberals having fewer violent tendencies, which I can’t imagine you actually believe. especially living in oakland.

  47. The article cited seems content with focusing on what Paul says about marriage in general while neglecting what Paul said about homosexuality in particular. Thus, I think it would be more honest if the writer of the article cited entitled it: My Own Case For Same-Sex Marriage.

    But those of us who are religious conservatives who rightly use Paul to define what is a legitimate marriage is and is not are off the hook here. For nowhere are we called to try to marginalize the LGBT community in society. Such attempts at marginalization have come from our own hatred and intolerance of others, not from the Scriptures. And too many of us have associated the Biblical, including Pauline, warnings against homosexuality with trying to get society to punish the LGBT community. When we do that, we go against Jesus’s warning to not lord it over others. By associating the Biblical view of homosexuality with bigotry and discrimination, we have provided a false dichotomy so that those who know that bigotry and marginalization are horribly wrong have felt forced to compromise what the Bible says about sex.

  48. Are you saying that you have a perfect understanding of Jesus’ words and intentions, and always had? No need to grow as a Christian over time, and learn new things, and develop increased understanding? Should we all bow down and worship you?

  49. 1 Cor. 10:13 and 1 Cor.6:9-11 has helped a whole lotta people feel better about confessing and repenting their sins.

    Helped a whole lotta gays find new cleansing, new healing, and new deliverance in Christ, regardless of the past.

    But we need more Christians who have experienced and are willing to **believe** and **share** those promises with SSA-afflicted folks. Too many Christians buy into “Once Gay Always Gay”, and thus rob seekers of any hope.

  50. “Duress”? Is that the current spin-du-jour?

  51. I don’t need to believe the lies of the homosexual activists is what I am saying.

  52. Bullshit. 1Cor. 8:1-3 Now about food sacrificed to idols. We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God.

    What you are talking about does not build people up. It’s knowledge you have that you use to puff yourself up in front of your agreeing social circle. You base your knowledge on the affirmation you receive from others, not on facts.
    You quote 1 Cor 10:13 a very popular verse and you say just do as the verse says. I would say to you Floyd the next verse is extremely important when we apply it. It says, therefore my dear friends, flee from idolatry.
    I say this, if it is your intention to honor God, you can’t honor Him and “worship” a homosexual lifestyle. And if you are homosexual and your intention is to honor God, you can not do it by “worshipping” a moral lifestyle.
    That is where I would start. It is the same place I would start with myself, I don’t find God in a right act I don’t find Him in a wrong act it is in the, in between, that God is faithful.

  53. How come churches never talk about heterosexual persons like this or how come the topic of heterosexuality isn’t mentioned?

  54. I’m not a activist. Are you a heterosexual activist? Also what is up with all this talk about my orientation lately? Like everything was doing good for awhile and this always keeps happening over and over again and my favorite news site went a entire month without mentioning my orientation and I was happy but the minute July started everyday this website has been talking about LGBT nonstop

  55. Oh so we are comparing my orientation to food and utensils now WOW. So is heterosexual sex and eating similar?

  56. I feel me being with my boyfriend affects people then heterosexual relationships would have affected all LGBT people

  57. Stop saying that h word so much! Why don’t very heterosexuals switch with us since you love that word so much

  58. Christ never mentioned orientation he never mentioned heterosexuality and he never mentioned non heterosexuality

  59. How can you “practice” that like you train yourself to like your own gender? Like if orientation is a “practice” I would have been practicing heterosexuality a long time ago so I’m not hated by people like you who are out there to kill me. A heterosexual will not see the Kingdom of heaven either. Also that’s so selfish to wish for heterosexuals to go to heaven and non heterosexuals to not go to heaven.

  60. Why do heterosexuals spend so much time worried about what men like me do? There is important things to be doing not looking up this kind of stuff. I’m creeped out

  61. Heterosexuality can be immortality too.

  62. So your saying I’m a heterosexual even though I date men? Also why should I have to go up infront of people and tell them I like men??? It’s not that big of a deal. Also if people don’t like me for who I am I can always avoid them I don’t go to church because I know I won’t like what I’m hearing

  63. If you mean “immorality,” certainly it can be. It is not, however, immorality by definition.

  64. 1) So you’re saying I’m a heterosexual even though I date men?-No.
    2) Also why should I have to go up in front of people and tell them I like men???-You shouldn’t have to go up in front of people and tell them you like men. The home you grow up in should be a safe place for people to know that fact about you, that is not always the case. When people who you decide within a church know that about you the church should be a safe place to be fully known, that is not always the case. By safe of course I mean physically but just as importantly, emotionally safe.
    3) If people don’t like me for who I am I can always avoid them I don’t go to church because I know I won’t like what I’m hearing.-You and I both won’t like some of what you might hear. You can avoid those people if you want to but you will never change their attitude about you if you never give them the chance to like you.

  65. I think you mostly have the truth of it here, but you are still off the mark.

    Divorce for any reason except adultery– and even that has some questions about it– and remarriage after it, are also biblical sins. Yet heterosexual divorce is met with a resounding tsk-tsk by the hyper religious. Look who they voted for: the Grabber in Chief. Fornication is also a biblical sin– look yet again at Grabby– and yet with children born out of wedlock approaching 70% in a certain vociferously antigay community, the reaction is a resounding ho, followed by an occasional hum if they are particularly incensed by it.

    Who s forcing the vociferously antigay evangelical community to ignore these obvious sins?

    No one.

  66. Tell that to Lifeway Christian who wanted to basically threaten to cut off all the man’s income for not being a bigot.

  67. Ben,
    I agree with much in your note. What the Trump election showed was that many of my fellow evangelicals could have their group egos and money worries stroked for votes.

  68. It’s so unfair that heterosexuals aren’t on that list.

  69. Is that because gay people being treated decently, like fully members of the human race and society, means that heterosexuals can’t?

    Sorry, I refuse the accept responsibility for both heterosexuals and the hyper religious failing to live up to what they claim their standards are.d

  70. Sorry, it just means what I told you in the very beginning. Your self assigned and wholly imaginary superiority as a human being and a Christian is what is in operation here.

  71. Keep it up Sandy! You are helping move fence-sitters, especially the young ones, far, far away from christianism with your loving demeanor and exquisite logic! This ex-christianist salutes you heartily!

  72. Then maybe the Lord hasn’t called them yet, but thanks Paul

  73. I’m always happy to see folks like you doing just what you’re doing! You bring so much clarity to just exactly what christianism is all about.

  74. Thank you. Christianity is for helping people to learn that Christ died for their sins and they can live a blessed life as a member of Christ’s family, ending up in Heaven. The Christian life is not easy, but the reward is worth it all – to be with Christ for eternity. Thanks Paul.

  75. Your words shock me. So full of hate, judgment, narrow-mindedness, and a twisting and misrepresentation of literature. It is your belief and attitude that empowers people to no longer follow Christianity and it’s hateful, homophobic beliefs. It is you who needs to repent.

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