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Why we banned Jonathan Martin from Liberty University

Liberty University president Jerry Falwell Jr. speaks during Liberty University's 43rd Commencement Ceremony on May 14, 2016. Photo by Joel Coleman, courtesy of Liberty University

The following is a statement from Liberty University President Jerry Falwell, Jr., sent to RNS in response to a commentary by evangelical pastor Jonathan Martin on his removal from the university’s campus last week:

(RNS) — Of everything published about this tempest, the best observation came from my wife, Becki:  What if someone you had never met announced on social media that they were going to come into your living room, invite others, and have a “prayer meeting” after stating publicly that your home is the most hostile environment to the gospel in the U.S.? Wouldn’t you call the police and have the stranger removed from your home?

That’s the position we were in last week when someone named Jonathan Martin, who had attacked Liberty University on social media, invited his supporters to a demonstration on Liberty’s campus to bring about change. For security reasons, we had to block his access to our campus. 


JONATHAN MARTIN: Why I was banned from the campus of Liberty University


Liberty University has a longstanding tradition of not allowing uninvited demonstrations or protests on campus. Liberty is a private institution and its campus is private property. Our students expect Liberty to protect them from unwelcome disruptions to their educational experience. Members of the Liberty University community are always welcome to engage in peaceful debate, intellectual inquiry and protest, but for public safety reasons, organized events by outside groups require advance notice and participating in the appropriate application process. 

The Liberty University Police Department continuously works to enhance security measures on campus. As part of that effort, it has been monitoring social media and noticed that a person named Jonathan Martin was attempting to stage a protest on Liberty’s private campus on Twitter.  He said he would be “coming by Liberty soon with a bunch of friends.”  

An investigation revealed Mr. Martin’s protest event was being planned without any prior authorization or consultation. Mr. Martin is not a student, faculty member or employee of Liberty University. 

There are facility use protocols for those who are not members of the University community to schedule events on the campus. Those protocols take into account safety and security, as well as schedule conflicts and costs. Absent such pre-planning and authorization, an event promoted to the general public on social media has the potential to be a security risk. Given the late hour of the notice, the only effective way to prevent the unauthorized public event from happening the following morning was to issue a trespass warning to its organizer. 

Mr. Martin was spotted on campus the night before his planned even at a concert.  After he enjoyed the concert, Liberty University Police Department formally took the opportunity to inform him that he was not welcome on campus and that he would be arrested for trespassing if he returned. This was done in a professional and matter-of-fact manner, including taking photographs of Mr. Martin.

Mr. Martin’s planned protest in front of the library ended up attracting 13 students who, as members of the University community, were permitted to hold a small event. Mr. Martin did not threaten violence and we do not believe he is a violent man but, if Liberty began allowing uninvited outside groups to protest on campus with open invitations on social media, the next group might be a violent mob of anarchists. 

In light of the climate of protests associated with campuses across the country, Liberty University takes seriously its obligation to preserve and maintain campus safety and security. Liberty believes we owe it to our students to protect the educational environment that they have invested in.  Liberty often invites responsible speakers with viewpoints contrary to those in leadership and will continue to do so but Liberty will not allow uninvited outside protestors to invade its campus.

While University community members can freely make arrangements for their events, those who are not members of the University community have a higher burden to be granted access to Liberty University’s facilities for their private purposes. Even so, from time to time the University has made places available for outside groups to stage protests. Typically, however, those groups are directed off campus, especially where there are no tie-ins with a student organization or other member of the University community. 

Mr. Martin is not a member of our University community and simply has no right to organize a demonstration here on our campus.  Liberty is a private school, on private property. Go somewhere else if you want to protest. 

It may be possible that Jonathan Martin knew his unauthorized event would ultimately not be permitted to occur on the private property of Liberty University but he simply hoped to garner more attention to his cause by having his efforts stopped. 

So be it.  The judgment was made that it was safer to stop the event before it started than to attempt to turn away an unknown number of people who traveled to Liberty’s campus. Either option likely gives Mr. Martin’s cause the publicity he apparently seeks. The University cannot be concerned with whether its actions provide additional oxygen to either side of a debate but rather must be concerned about safety and security of its campus. 

If Liberty were your home, I think you would agree.

(Jerry Falwell, Jr. is president of Liberty University. The views expressed in this opinion piece are the author’s own and do not reflect those of Religion News Service.)

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  • If wife Becky is brave enough to stand next to a guy named Donald who is a admitted pxxxxy grabber and have her picture taken with him in front of his wall covered with framed Playboy covers, you wouldn’t think a prayer meeting would make her break out in a cold sweat.
    Way to throw your wife under the bus Jr.

  • This “someone,” Mr. Falwell, could have been found by a google search and no doubt, given his position in the evangelical world and yours, you have friends and acquaintances in common. Somehow you must have learned about his plan — was that from his not-secret Twitter posts? Moreover, as the Martin statement reads, he was there for a concert that night — the prayer meeting was to take place another day. You had him removed the night of the concert.And issued a threat of prosecution if he should return to the campus. Why didn’t your armed security people, if they were concerned about proper protocols being observed, simply direct Mr. Martin to the proper procedure for scheduling his future prayer meeting?

    Because you feared violence? Or because you feared opposition to your views. Just to be clear, is the public forbidden from visiting your campus, or only the public who might make public statements about your views.

  • What Mr. Falwell says is plausible (and before anyone attacks me, I despise him and everything he stands for).

    But it is also true that like most people of his ilk, he clearly does not believe in exposing people “under his control” to anything other than his views–like his father before him. In my observations, folks like him often believe “what’s the point of being in charge if you can;’t impose your views on others?”

  • Yes Trump spoke about it but Clinton actually was bought up on charges and found guilty……see the difference between one that made a claim nothing came out of and one that actually did the Pxxxy grabbing?

  • Yeah isn’t it great he actually prevent riots and assaults to protect the students on his campus unlike Berkely did?

  • Logic fail

    Apparently – there was no violence.

    Do you understand that cause and effect are not linked just because it suits someone to make it sound as though they are?

  • Because Martin has a reputation for violence? No. Because he hadn’t always insisted that dissent must mirror the nonviolence of Jesus? No. Because Liberty students are armed? Well, maybe, but that’s an everyday concern.

  • Yes it was a complete failure on Martin’s part eh? Next time he’ll contact the school and set up an appointment to voice his opinions in a orderly fashion. See how simple things are when you obey the rules of a PRIVATE school on PRIVATE property?

  • Because Martin didn’t contact the school for permission to protest on private property. Something those like you think you have a right to but in reality and by law you don’t.

  • I did – perhaps you didn’t.

    “as a matter of fact there was no violence because of Liberty’s actions”

    Unless you know that Liberty was determined to initiate violence you are wrong to assume that no violence occurred due to Liberty’s actions.

    Your suggestion may be correct, but you cannot be sure it is and, I suggest, that unless either side has a history of initiating violence your suggestion is probably wrong. Either way – the cause and effect you assert is unproven.

  • Yeah I know you hate it when you can’t get your way when you fail at forcing your opinions on others.

  • Obviously you didn’t get it. because Martin doesn’t have the right to force his opinion on others on private property ….do you get it now? You see NOT everybody agrees with his opinion and he was told he didn’t have that authority no matter how big a crowd he could gather to come onto private property to force that on others that just don’t want to hear it. He has the right to hold a protest anywhere he wants right? So why didn’t he reschedule it in the public square it was all that important? So I guess he/you need to learn NO means NO.

  • I see a lot of differences. There is the difference between Trump speaking about it and Trump bragging about it. I see a difference between unwanted sexual advances and a consensual act. I see a difference between being accused of a consensual sexual act, denying it happened, then being found guilty of lying about that, and not being accused of sexual assault.

    All Jr had to say was, we could have handled this better. Poof non-news.

  • Well all we know for sure is what Trump said and not that he actually did it, it’s called bragging and stupid at that. Whereas we know Clinton actually did rape and molest women and the court found hm guilty.

    But remember many women came forth and falsely accused Trump and one by one they were found liars whereas Clinton was found guilty of the charges against hm.

  • And he wasn’t arrested for protesting. He was attending a concert. He might have been part of a future protest (and since he was public about that, Liberty knew) but every other method available to them — contacting him prior, lettting him know he needed a permit, or even that he wouldn’t be extended a permit for a protest — they did not attempt.

  • It is the odd university, including other private universities, which don’t allow contrary opinions to be expressed. Generally, they do require a permit, which may include a joint sponsorship — but since Martin wasn’t at that moment praying or protesting, it seems odd to say he needed a permit. What he needed was to have the band inform the university that he would be their guest that night. And they did.

  • Clinton was not “brought up on charges” of sexual assault or found guilty. He was asked about his relationship with ML in the course of another deposition, lied about it, and was brought up on charges for lying in a deposition.

  • Please tell me the day Clinton was found guilty of rape and molestation. What was his sentence? I don’t think the guy is a hero, but we should stick to the facts here.

  • Really you’re not getting it are you? So if he lied about it then he did it or do you use Clinton’s argument to justify him…..what is, is?

  • How does your opinion change the facts? Nobody said he was arrested but he was escorted off the campus and told he was banned for life.

  • There is more to this story then what’s being told. And what other campuses do has no influence on Liberty’s actions.

  • Its just not responsible to play around with the facts. “Brought up on charges,” is not what happened. If I’m testifying under oath, and I said I was walking by the store at 5 PM, when in fact I was walking by at 6 PM, then I can be charged with perjury and possibly obstruction of justice. That doesn’t mean I’m “brought up on charges” for walking by the store at 6 PM. Clinton was charged with 4 counts (2 perjury, 1 abuse of power, 1 obstruction of justice.) The house convicted him of 1 count of perjury, 1 obstruction of justice. He was not convicted of abuse or harassment or rape or anything other than lying about his relationship w/Ms. Lewinsky. I am not defending his character, but those are the facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

  • My apologies. I shouldn’t have used the word “arrested.” You are correct, escorted off campus with a written statement preventing him from entering campus again.

  • Got nothing to do with my opinions; merely your apparent inability to understand that co-incidence is not the same as cause and effect.

  • Irrelevant

    My comment is restricted to your false assumption of cause and effect.

    Your refusal to address your lack of logic could be considered to be an admission that you are unable to manufacture any response other than the bombast and deflection you have displayed so far.

  • What Martin could’ve done instead was to meet with his supporters off campus and he wouldn’t have had to deal with the official scorn of the University.

  • Also, being invited as a guest of the officially invited invited guest is not a direct invitation from the host. When invited to someone’s house, it’s proper to ask if a friend can come along as well.

  • Bill Clinton payed off a witness which is illegal which would have ended up with him being prosecuted. So yes he did get away with breaking the law just like today and all the illegal deals the Clintons will get a free pass on again. So as to you witness he was convicted of two crimes and got a free pass. Thank you for confirming Clinton was a criminal and in fact still is and our corrupt government will continue to give them a free pass…..and maybe not this time with Trump cleaning the swamp.

  • Yes I agree it has everything to do with your lack of comprehension of the facts in the article.

  • I made no assumptions and your foolish argument will never justify your opinion. You need to prove there would have been violence if Liberty allowed Martin and his gang to protest in order to have an argument. And you can’t prove either way what would have happened is Martin was allowed to bring a protest on the grounds. So my statement stands as fact.

  • Got nothing to do with the article; merely your apparent inability to understand that co-incidence is not the same as cause and effect.

  • Your statement is an assumption of cause and effect.

    Your statement is illogical unless you know that violence would have (not might have) occurred.

    I need to prove nothing – I’m merely drawing attention your cognitive error and the false claim of justification you make consequent upon your irrational mistake.

    You are either unable or unwilling to see that your claim that the banning prevented violence is irrational. That makes no difference – irrational it is.

  • Let me come down to your level of comprehension. There was no protest therefore there was no violence. Because he wasn’t forcibly removed for no reason and banned for life for no reason. Do you think this happened because he’s a really nice person like you?

  • Thereby proving my point exactly. So concerned about morals are you that you’ll vote for a four times bankrupt, three times married, self proclaimed Two Corinthians guy who has major sexual issues and is currently living in a state of unrepentant sin. My understanding of what Jesus himself had to say about that would indicate we can add adulterer and fornicator to his other sterling qualities.

    And you evangelicals love him. He is everything you want him to be— apparently corrupt, definitively prevaricating, immature, authoritarian, and a fake.

    May your health insurance be the first to go.

  • No protest therefore no violence is OK; but that’s not what you said.

    You said “as a matter of fact there was no violence because of Liberty’s actions”. That is not true because you do not know that violence would have occurred without Liberty’s actions. Unless violence would have occurred without Liberty’s actions – would have not might have – Liberty’s actions did not prevent something that wasn’t going to happen. Therefore your assumption is not certainly correct – the association of cause and effect is irrational and your statement is wrong.

    If you still cannot understand I suggest you undertake a couple of courses;
    a) Logic and
    b) the use of English
    if carefully followed may suffice to rectify the situation.

  • so VERY much wrong with this whole conversation.
    A. “whataboutism” is a tool of totalitarian propagandists and beneath God’s people
    B. the left, in general, makes no particular claim to sexual purity or Christian morality in the realm of sexual behavior – the right does. So the charge of hypocrisy does not work when pointed left in the same way that it does when pointed at Evangelicals
    C. Evans already staked out their position on this sort of behavior when they believed, unquestioningly and eagerly, the word-of-mouth claims about Bill Clinton (including those which alleged that Hillary threatened or even carried out violence in order to cover up his deeds. This all happened BEFORE Trump. Therefore, when the left says “why are your professed values inconsistently applied?” “Why is your credulity selective?”these are perfectly valid questions which demand honest answers, not “hypocrisy.” Holding Evangelicals to the standards of behavior THEY profess to advance is perfectly legitimate, no matter the behavior of politicians past.
    D. No Clinton currently holds office, and Clinton’s misdeeds were thoroughly addressed 20 years ago.
    E. Sexual misconduct is FAR from the only thing which Trump has done which stands in stark contrast to the moral standards Evangelicals insist on applying to Democrats.

    I could go on.

    For any outside observer, be they Christian or skeptic, it could not be more obvious that Evangelicals of political ambition have bowed the knee to the golden calf of worldly power and lack any credible explanation for how that can be reconciled with the gospel. The tragic thing is that the same errors (this is not the only one) keep repeating throughout church history.

  • A private university does have a right to decide who and what can protest on their grounds. A public (ie state) university may be different. If you think private property owners shouldn’t have that right, feel free to fly to Seattle and demonstrate on the grounds of Amazon or Microsoft and see how long you’d last.

  • You should really stop brazenly lying in every single statement you make. Or, you could do one better and admit you’re Falwell trolling under a fake account (just like you used to do at FlameFans).

  • Yeah, that’s about as stupid as it gets.

    1. There was no protest. A person bought a ticket to a concert and then visited the band backstage on their invitation.
    2. There was an informal meeting scheduled for the next day to plan a time of prayer to protest antichrist Jr’s whoring himself to the despicable president.
    3. That future time of prayer was going to be done with proper permits.
    4. The chancellor of a formerly Christian university, and that’s what Liberty is at this point, aggressively removed someone from campus who was threatening to organize prayer.

    That’s the key takeaway. Jr is so far into whoring himself for power that he’s frightened by the prospect of actual Christians praying on “his” campus.

  • Just know that there’s a large gap between evangelical Christians and evangelical conservatives. Unfortunately the good one has been hijacked by the Falwell one.

  • Like the liberal NALT Christians, perhaps you would do your faith a greater service by being a lot louder.

  • “Holding Evangelicals to the standards of behavior THEY profess to advance is perfectly legitimate, no matter the behavior of politicians past.”
    You are a dreamer, sir. You can hold them to those standards, but they don’t really care. And yelling “Squirrel!” is something they excel at, especially if the squirrels name is Bill.

  • If you know me, you know I’ve been shouting about Falwell Jr and the whoring of real Christianity for a while now. I’ve lost friends over it and I’m fine with that as it shows that what they value most has nothing to do with the biblical Jesus.

  • Thank you. I mean that sincerely.
    My oldest friend in the world is a New apostolic minister. He agrees.

  • You tell me. But make it convincing, because Jerry Falwell Jr’s article sounds seriously more honest than Jonathan Martin’s article.

  • Are you seriously THAT naïve Bob? Remember Jesus will be putting those words right back in your face at Judgement day.

  • Clinton was president 20 years ago, Trump is president now and that’s the problem. Evangelicals are selective in who they declare a sinner. Although I question the patriotism of anyone who supports a president who thinks all POWs are losers – but hey, that’s on you, not me.

  • Clinton made a out-of-court settlement with someone who took the money and ran. If you’d like a good legal text recommendation may I suggest the U.S. Constitution. After 30 years and $250 million dollars spent on various investigations you guys still have nothing on them except for a 20 year old act of consensual sex.

  • Please stop you foolish argument because you’re only making yourself look like a dolt. What I said in my statement is exactly what happened. And my statement was made after the fact so your assumptions are what make you look like a DOLT.

  • You have no idea what logic is because my statement was made after the fact. What I said already happened in the past and can never be changed. Now as for your assumption can never happen because again it after the fact.

  • And now you finally accomplished your failure and I haven’t reached the point of utter disappointing failure you have.

  • Stop trolling “bob.” This is literally the same approach you took, and maybe the same fake name you took, when you harassed LU students on a university related board.

  • You banned him because he called you out. He speaks the truth:

    “Falwell openly encourages his students to carry guns, but fears public prayer from Christians who openly embrace nonviolence. A thin-skinned man like the president for whom he serves as an apologist, Falwell does not easily tolerate robust dissent.”

  • Bill Clinton, while no angel, was never charged and convicted of sexual misconduct. He’s been accused but so has Trump, by more than 16 women.

  • “Whereas we know Clinton actually did rape and molest women and the court found hm guilty.” Bill Clinton was never found guilty of rape and/or molestation. Stop lying.

  • This is why Falwell didn’t want him on campus: “Falwell openly encourages his students to carry guns, but fears public prayer from Christians who openly embrace nonviolence. A thin-skinned man like the president for whom he serves as an apologist, Falwell does not easily tolerate robust dissent.“

  • The problem is you don’t get to dictate what I meant by my post so again your “cause and effect” assumption is moot. Get t now?

  • Faith = trust. …..and I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in the religion of atheism or your tenets.

  • Why do fools like you make that foolish accusation when you have nothing intelligent to defend your position?

  • Gee are you talking about a 2nd amendment protection that allows all citizens to carry guns? Now if your boy Martin was non-violent why was he gathering a large crowd of people he didn’t know on the internet? Yeah not suspicious at all eh?

  • “And 16 women were proven to be liars…” That’s not true. Why do you constantly lie?

    Regarding your claim that there were “many deaths under the Clintons,,” the Republicans have been investigating the Clintons for decades. Many of those investigations were paid for by the American taxpayers. If the Clintons were killers who off anyone who gets in their way, why are they not in jail? If the Republicans had found any evidence to prove what you’re suggesting the Clintons would be in jail. Fever dreams found on a conspiracy theory website aren’t proof of anything.

  • It’s very simple.

    If you didn’t mean what you wrote you have only yourself to blame for others not realising what you meant.

    If you did mean what you wrote you made an assumption about cause and effect that is unjustified.

    Deflection, name-calling and restating untruths as though repetition will change reality are the traits of playground arguments which I, like most reasonably well-balanced people, left behind in my youth. I hope the reason why you have yet to discard such immaturity is youth.

  • Eh. Much as I know Falwell Jr. for the nepotistic simpering worm he is, he is within his rights to ban anybody from their campus for any reason or for no reason.

  • “…Clinton actually was bought up on charges and found guilty……”
    Trump is actually fending off several allegations of sexual assault. Clinton was accused by Paula Jones, who Republican operatives paid for plastic surgery for, and Kathleen Willey,a troubled widow who believed Clinton minions killed her dog. A woman named Juanita Broddrick who worked for a family of Clinton enemies made claims but no charges resulted from that. Clinton was disciplined by a Judge in Arkansas for “I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky, after he and his nemesis Newt Gingrich agreed oral sex isn’t sex. He never was jailed and never had a criminal charge. He was impeached by the House during a period of its dominance by extremists, but wisely not convicted by The Senate, thanks to great patriots like Fred Thompson, John McCain, Olympia Snowe, Ted Stevens, and several others who knew the charges were just political theatre to fool the rubes.
    Despite his shortcomings, Bill Clinton always tried to do good for the dispossessed. Trump just wants to make them more dispossessed.

  • Do you think you’re some kind of a god to assume to tell me what I meant……Bwahahahahah I laugh at your deityship.

  • The House of Representatives does not “convict.” It serves in impeachments as akin to a grand jury. The Senate rightfully did not convict either Clinton or Andrew Johnson, both of whom were impeached unjustifiably.
    Fun Fact: Rep. Alcee Hastings, a former federal judge, was impeached, convicted, and removed from the bench. Then he was elected to Congress. Like all the rest of the Democrats he voted against impeachment.

  • So now you know a real deity as well as your previous imaginary one.

    Not sure that amounts to progress.

  • I suspect you’re amazed by a lot aren’t you Bob?

    But then one would expect a load of cobblers from someone using your moniker.

  • “truth” doesn’t mean what you would like it to mean – you really do need to learn to speak my language accurately before trying to argue with me.

  • Yes it’s easy to recognize people with mental illness because they actually think they they are mind readers….oh wait……

  • What Jonathan Martin and others don’t apparently understand is that Evangelicalism does not tolerate dissent of any type. Dissent is as witchcraft to Evangelicals. Unquestioned obedience to leaders is a fundamental requirement of Evangelicals. Challenging their authority is blasphemy and there quickest way to get one’s self declared “apostate” and banished.

    At Liberty Bible School (it’s not a true University), Jerry Falwell,Jr. is the leader, and he is not to be disagreed with or questioned. I seriously doubt a single employee or student voted for someone other than Trump given Falwell’s declaration that Trump had a Divine Right to Rule directly from God.

    I’m surprised that Jonathan Martin thought he could go into Falwell’s religious compound and say or do anything that would even hint at dissent. Not only that, but Falwell could easily get Trump to have the FBI or DHS to “handle” him. He could easily wake up in a Russian prison.

  • All languages can be used for lies and deceit – mine happens to be English.

    As a matter of fact – I don’t lie. Can’t be bothered to remember who I’ve told what. Heard of KISS? – Keep It Simple Stupid. Works for me.

    Doesn’t matter whether I lie to you or not though does it? You will believe whatever fits your preconceived fantasy and judge all comments by the simple criterion of “if it questions my beliefs it is untrue”.

    This exchange is not for your benefit – you aren’t going suddenly to see life in a rational way. It’s to expose the irrationality of your thought processes to any who might be tempted to fall into the same deity-based error that you enjoy.

  • Weak minds talk themselves into believing that. So how long have you believed you had this superpower of being a god that can read minds?

  • “All languages can be used for lies and deceit – mine happens to be English”

    Thank you for admitting you’re a liar but I knew that fact all along.

  • If you don’t comprehend the difference between potential behaviour and actual behaviour you are not in possession of a normally functioning brain.

    If you do you are a liar.

  • I’m sure you think you know the answer to your own straw man argument.

    Your (faux?) irrationality is getting boring – very, very boring

  • I think you are suggesting that you are a dummy – I would be the liar you want me to be if I said I disagreed with you.

    Do you enjoy the sensations from guy’s hand?

  • I’m an ordained deacon in the PCA and spent 15+ years in various church leadership positions. You’re the one doing the work of antichrist here, not anyone else.

  • My IQ measures between 144-152 (on a scale of 160) depending on the test. I’m an active Mensan. Try again antichrist troll.

  • He was invited and a paid attendant at the concert and guest of the band.

    Why do you have to lie so badly? You make baby Jesus cry with every post.

  • Interesting that Jerry Jr. doesn’t even pretend facts were different from Martin’s claims. He just relies on casting aspersions and wild supposition here.

    From any objective view, the school acted in a heavy handed manner.

  • No, impeachment is a political act by Congress. It is not a criminal court and its legal standards are not as high.

  • “So my statement stands as fact.” No it is an opinion and and not worth the electrons used to post it on this site.

  • Whether Falwell’s claim that dissenting voices are invited to express their views is true, I have no idea. But the rest seems straightforward enough — Martin called for a public meeting on private property without going through the proper channels to authorize it, and was shut down. I don’t see anything unreasonable about that.

  • The analogy of his wife’s that Martin’s actions are similar to turning up to “your living room” is just nonsense on the face of it. An open air part of the university is simply not the same thing. This would be more like having a well-known and clearly not dangerous guy come and pray in your driveway, because your kids had invited him. (That is, worth keeping an eye on, not worth pre-emptively running him out of town.) I assume, if Mr. Falwell was merely concerned about the proper authorization and security, he will invite Jonathan Martin, a brother in the faith, to express his views in the future? Because LIberty students are at LIberty to hear from all sides and to protest their President’s endorsement of a thrice-married national leader whose recklessness and willingness to insult all those who disagree with him gives them grave cause for concern? IF Mr. Falwell is right and President Trump is actually a misunderstood leader worthy of support, then he should be able to withstand Mr. Martin’s opinions. But in that case, they need to be heard. But to cite campus security as a reason to shut him down seems, at best, disingenuous.

  • While the ironically named “Liberty” is private property and your awful father founded it, it’s nevertheless not your private property.

    So…I would try to come up with a different metaphor…or start paying private property taxes on it.

  • Haha, very funny. Vote for crooked Hillary the totalitarian elitist if you must instead of taking responsibility for your own actions. Jesus and Liberty are radical. You must be communist to insist private businesses must be public behoden the state. Shout for peace and conductacts of terror like Antifa; bow to Soros’ funding. Amen.

  • I’ll bet Falwell’s prudence also keeps the wild lions from invading his campus, too. In fact I’m sure of it. Not one wild lion has been seen on campus since he became President of the U.

  • Where and when did I ask for your opinion…..I didn’t. So why did you waste what little electrons you had left?

  • Yes, lying under oath about a material fact. What does that have to do with the difference between impeachment and conviction?

  • So, not for sexually abusing anyone. Thank you for admitting you lied. And he wasn’t convicted, he was impeached (akin to being indicted) for those charges. The Senate acquitted him, preventing a Republican coup d’état.

  • So the you know he was convicted of perjury which makes him a liar. Now why he was not prosecuted because of the perjury is the question.

  • Finished reading. And you’ve got the quiz ready for me, brother Jerry Falwell Jr.? Alright! So, yeah, let’s get this over with!

    TRUE OR FALSE: “For security reasons, we had to block [Jonathan Martin’s] access to our campus. … An event promoted to the general public on social media has the potential to be a security risk. … If Liberty began allowing uninvited outside groups to protest on campus with open invitations on social media, the next group might be a violent mob of anarchists.”

    TRUE. According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • Dear brother David M Schell,

    FYI, dude. According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • Dear suepad,

    Heads up, dude. According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • Dear Jim Borer,

    I agree too but not on the say-so of Falwell, but of Martin’s himself.

    According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • I too “shield … from the radical gospel of Jesus” a la Jim Wallis & Sojourners with whom I had spent many years to promote precisely that ideology.

  • Let’s get beyond “unreasonable” as to motive. According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • Yet again you don’t know whatchatolkingboat. So google this and give us your take: According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • Now that observation is spot-on. Jerry Falwell Jr, Ray Moore, who else? Yup it’s getting dangerous out there to be with their Jesus. Jr is more dangerous than Sr.

    But hey, get a load of this: According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • Except there WAS this reason – which Falwell didn’t catch on in time – the reactionary that he is to say the least pretty much saved his …. :

    According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • The hole-in-the-doughtnut truth and nothing but? Falwell’s a deceiver but Martin too:

    According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • “Plausible”? How about instinctively driven? Lucky guess & gut reaction? Because, according to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • Just because. You got it. As a sidenote, however, check this out:

    According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • This looks like just “a prayer meeting” to you?

    According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • And also “this all sounds just like Jesus don’t it?”

    According to John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: Jonathan Martin was quoted as saying that he wanted not only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, Jerry Judas Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”!

  • Falwell Jr is an evangelical, politically-driven, and the son of Falwell SR–which is to say, a thoroughly dishonest, despicable human being.

    “Liberty” “University” is private property, which means that Falwell is entitled to make the rules about who speaks there, or, indeed, is allowed on-campus.

    For sure, a key motivation is that he did not want to allow a Trump opponent to speak on “his” campus.

    Perhaps it is testimony to his cleverness that he came up with such a plausible set of reasons for denying Martin access. Who knows, in Falwell’s mind, his reasons might even be the truth.

  • Well that’s interesting. I note in that article that Martin was asking for local churches to organize the events — I see no indication that he even intended to hold a protest at Liberty. And “the stakes here” is a reference to the direction the evangelical church is heading.

    That 30 pieces of silver was in response to Falwell’s cheering of Bannon. Context matters.

    People should read it for themselves.
    https://medium.com/@thisbetheverse/pastor-plans-protest-against-counterfeit-faith-at-liberty-university-496f6146e28c

  • So basically, Martin wanted to go onto private property uninvited and make a scene, and invited others to join him without concern for whether they’d be interested in keeping things nonviolent, whatever he might have wanted.

  • I stand foursquare with Mr. Falwell, and against Mr. Martin and ALL tantrum-throwers.
    There are legitimate ways to make one’s views known. Tantrum-throwing is not among those ways.

  • I am still not seeing a difference in facts presented here by either party. Merely different interpretations of the same thing.

    All in all Jerry Jr. clearly does not take personal affronts to his reputation well.

    But then again, it’s not like he earned one on his own accord. Much like Franklin Graham, he rode the coattails of his father.

  • I see. You’re embarrassed because you’re ignorant of the criminal justice and political systems of the United States. Instead of being a [email protected]$$ why don’t you try and enlighten your own ignorance. You’ve only made yourself look like a fool.

  • So now you lower yourself even farther with silly personal attacks and bullying tactics. Typical atheist response.

  • Thanks for this other tell right here:

    From “Jonathan Martin‏ @theboyonthebike Oct 27”:

    “We aren’t mad at anybody but the devil 🙂 But make no mistake-we aren’t coming to play. Taking on principalities is serious business!”

  • I think all that is said must be in the context of who Martin is. I would understand his way of “taking on principalities” to be deep and fervent prayer. The protest, again as I understand it, was to go to Liberty and pray against what he sees as a false gospel emanating form places like liberty.

    It was planned to be a protest. One of prayer, planed by a man deeply committed to non-violence, and Christ.

  • “Christ”? Which one? Which “Christ” is Jonathan Martin’s? Prior to posting here after reading Falwell’s version and at the other one with Martin’s name on it, I did go through his website and stuffs on Medium and determined, yep, another “Christ”. A commenter at The Daily Caller pegged him as an Emergent Church affiliate. I couldn’t peg him as a Fundamentalist, nor an orthodox or conservative Protestant or Evangelical, could you? You seem to know, so label him already and get it over with, with the conclusion, That’s Martin’s “Christ” – take it or leave it. I dare you. No? Thought so.

  • if it needs a label it would be the Christ of the bible without all the political filler. the Christ of the sermon on the mount. the one who lives a life of enemy and neighbor love. the nonviolent Christ who says turn the other cheek. a Christian worried about the kingdom of God not kingdoms or empires of this world or any true worldly power. the God of the OT prophets who call for justice for the poor and oppressed.

    Admittedly it doesn’t sounduch like the Christ Falwell speaks about, and therein lies the problem.

    Which Christ is it you think he should be following?

  • The original Christ. That’s the One Falwell, Martin, Philip & HpO must follow. Who? There’s only One. The One believed upon, then followed after, by His 1st apostles and disciples. Not by the Early Church Wolves I mean Fathers and thereafter. All it took to change from the original Christ to trillion Christs is 4 centuries of Christianity led by them wolves and their mix breed descendants.

  • so it sounds like we agree. The Christ revealed in scripture is the true Christ. that seems to be what Martin is calling people back to. Asking them to see the perversion of the “American Jesus” I at a loss to see your issue.

  • You’re “at a loss to see [the] issue”? I’ll simplify it for you, then. There were only 2 out of 4 possible kinds of Christians involved in the sort of incident that happened the other day at Liberty University:

    (1) a bad Christian who did bad,
    (2) a bad Christian who did good,
    (3) a good Christian who did bad, and/or
    (4) a good Christian who did good.

    In this incident brother Jerry Falwell Jr. was the 2nd kind, a bad Christian who did good by not lying about what he did. Brother Jonathan Martin, on the other hand? He was Number 1, Number 1, a saint who lied about what he did. Read again the two Religion News Service articles for their respective versions of what they did and didn’t do, and you’ll see that none of the following stuffs was owned up to by Jonathan Martin:

    According to him, “@theboyonthebike Oct 27 [2017 on Twitter]” and John Thomas Vence, “Pastor plans protest against ‘counterfeit faith’ at Liberty University”, Medium, October 28, 2017: in terms of expressed motive on Jonathan Martin’s part, it wasn’t only to hold “a time of … peaceful protest”, but also – given “the stakes here” – to “strike while the iron is hot … [with] leaders with influence” at his side. Until then, he warned, this Judas Jerry Falwell Jr. better not “spend all 30 pieces of silver in one place”! Because, see, “we aren’t mad at anybody but the devil … But make no mistake – we aren’t coming to play. Taking on principalities is serious business!”

  • with those options it would seem Falwell is a 1 and Martin is a 4.

    I’ve read everything both have written the issue, including the original twitter thread by Martin that the article you cite is quoting.

    I can’t see the good Falwell did in this instance. His reasons appear to be at odds with reality. if he didn’t want him there he could have asked, or contacted him, requested a permit, etc. Sending armed security prior and issuing a lifetime ban appears to have little to do with security but more about quieting dissent.

  • Hard for you to synchronize data in front of you. Now I worry about you.

    Martin is (1) a bad Christian (vis-a-vis Original Christ) who did bad (at Liberty U.).

    Falwell is (2) a bad Christian (vis-a-vis Original Christ) who did good (at Liberty U.).

    Which makes you a bad Christian too, then, (vis-a-vis Original Christ), for doing badly here in terms of prudence. You’re in same category as Martin’s whom you’re spiritually kissing up to.

  • I’d happily be in yhe same boat as Martin. Id be interested in some reason why Martin praying in protest is bad and Falwell banning him for life bc he wanted to bring people together to pray is good.

    it seems a lot like Martin is acting far more in alignment with Christmas and his life than Falwell is in this instance. you seem to think other wise but are only lobbing insults, no reasons.

    Much like Christ did, Martin is calling the religious power and system to task and imploring them to return to God. Falwell punishes him for it.

  • if acting like and defending those who act like Jesus makes me a category 1 Christian I’m good with that.

    if you see something in me or Martin that doesn’t align I’m all ears but you haven’t put anything forward yet.

  • Farewells example is the the most specious thing I’ve read in minutes.
    You say my living room is hostile to gospel, and now you want to pray in it?
    Well, anyone would kick these prayfull people out for believing in the power of prayer. These holy men are shams.
    Makes atheism look realistic.

  • there’s a difference in being anti-Pharisee and anti-Christian.

    Indeed, they are 180 degree opposites.

  • I can see how somebody that doesn’t comprehend they’re one and the same would make a comment like you just did. You do know the Pharisees hated Christ and His Christian followers? No suppose you don’t.

  • oh I do. As the current day Pharisees hate those Christians who actually follow the model of Christ as much as possible in their lives.

    The “Evangelical” Dominionists are practicing an anti-christ heresy and they hate anyone who actually looks christ-like in comparison.

  • I don’t remember anybody here ever accusing you of being a Christian so you need not worry about Pharisees hating you. Correct me if I’m some way of being wrong?

  • Yes but nothing you post is based on facts. So please stop using known propaganda to back up your opinion and perhaps somebody will take you seriously as for me that’s not going to happen with a man that presents himself as a woman.

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