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Frank Page, SBC leader, retires due to ‘inappropriate relationship’

The Rev. Frank Page, right, president of the Southern Baptist Convention executive committee, leads a panel discussion at the Southern Baptists' annual meeting in Houston, on June 10, 2013. Photo by Adam Covington/Baptist Press

(RNS) — Frank Page, the Southern Baptist Convention’s top executive, is retiring as president and CEO of its executive committee following what he called a “personal indiscretion.”

The retirement, for which no reason was given when it was first announced earlier Tuesday (March 27), is immediate.

A story in the Baptist Press, an official publication of the Nashville, Tenn.-based Southern Baptist Convention, described the indiscretion as “a morally inappropriate relationship in the recent past.”

Page himself alluded to it, saying, “As a result of a personal failing, I have embarrassed my family, my Lord, myself, and the Kingdom.

“Out of a desire to protect my family and those I have hurt, I initially announced my retirement earlier today without a complete explanation. However, after further wrestling with my personal indiscretion, it became apparent to me that this situation must be acknowledged in a more forthright manner. It is my most earnest desire in the days to come to rebuild the fabric of trust with my wife and daughters, those who know me best and love me most.”

Florida pastor Stephen Rummage, chairman of the executive committee, said he learned the reason for Page’s retirement on Tuesday, one day after the denomination’s executive committee met via phone conference with Page.

“This news will, we understand, bring great sorrow,” Rummage said. “I have shared with the Executive Committee officers what Dr. Page shared with me, including Dr. Page’s repentance and deep regret that his actions have caused pain for others.”

Page was known for bridging the denomination’s various divides. In 2013, Page helped bring together Calvinists and non-Calvinists during a squabble within the denomination about the theology of salvation. And last year, when some churches threatened to cut off support for the SBC after chief ethicist Russell Moore criticized Donald Trump, Page met with Moore and the two issued a statement of unity.



READ: Russell Moore, Frank Page unite in wake of Baptist controversy over Trump


Page, 65, was a successful church pastor for many years before assuming his position in the denomination, most recently at First Baptist Church, Taylors, S.C.  He then served for two terms as president of the denomination, the nation’s largest, from 2006-2008.

“Prayers appreciated as I have announced my retirement,” he initially wrote on Twitter, thanking his followers for “your precious friendship and prayers.”

https://twitter.com/frankpagesbc/status/978624415452880896

In a letter to members of the SBC’s executive council, Page wrote, “It has been my joy and honor to serve the Executive Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention for eight years.”

He said he and his wife, Dayle, wanted to move closer to their daughters and return to South Carolina from Nashville, where the executive committee is based, “so that we might spend more time with them and their families — especially our grandchildren.”

“After much prayer and conversation, we have chosen to make this decision,” Page wrote, according to Baptist Press.

Several dozen Baptist pastors and leaders had responded to his initial tweet and offered their well-wishes:

 

 

https://twitter.com/jedcoppenger/status/978644730119630848

https://twitter.com/dandarling/status/978629185920028673

https://twitter.com/TrevinWax/status/978646088860209152

 

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  • The words of former Republican National Committee chair (and former Catholic seminarian) Michael Steele to white evangelical leaders supporting on January 23, 2018, keep ringing in my ears as I read stories like this. Michael Steele said,

    When it comes down to giving Trump a pass, some top evangelical leaders are turning a blind eye to his past indiscretions and came to his defense following recent reports about his alleged affair with adult film star Stormy Daniels.

    I have a very simple admonition: just shut the hell up and don’t preach to me about anything ever again.

    After telling me who to love, what to believe, what to do and what not to do and now you sit back and the prostitutes don’t matter, the grabbing the you-know-what doesn’t matter, the outright behavior and lies don’t matter, just shut up!

    They have no voice of authority anymore for me.

  • So, another one goes down…What was this “personal indiscretion” ? Hopefully not a gay relationship? Please say it was not a child !!

    -> “…As a result of a personal failing, I have embarrassed my family, my Lord, myself, and the Kingdom.”

    No, your Christian Kingdom is beyond embarrassment….Swaggart, Bakker (Tammy-Faye too), Haggard, Falwells (s), Graham…Shame was lost a long time ago.

    By Hey…Thought and Prayers to ya !!

  • Conservative Republican NY Times commentator Bret Stephens yesterday:

    I can remember when news of Bill Clinton’s alleged affair with Gennifer Flowers broke when he was running for president in 1992. Conservatives erupted: The man was not fit to sit in the Oval Office!

    Nowadays it’s a different story. Right-wing political culture, including the institutional Christian right, has been pornogrified. The Stormy Daniels affair isn’t a shock to that culture; it’s a representation of it. This is the bed conservatives made, so to speak, when they adopted Trump as one of their own, so they shouldn’t be surprised by anyone who turns up in there with them.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/trump-stormy-daniels-60-minutes-hush-money.html

  • Pennsylvania Republican Representative Charlie Dent yesterday:

    I don’t know how many in the evangelical community can reconcile some of their positions at this moment. They seem to be more concerned about someone who embraces their policies on a public level as opposed to maybe living by a personal code that they would find objectionable.

    A lot of folks were pretty darn alarmed and outraged and had a strong voice about [Bill Clinton], saying “character counts.” Now that the shoe’s on the other foot, a lot of those same folks are pretty damn silent.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/380597-gop-lawmaker-says-party-is-being-pretty-damn-silent-on-stormy-daniels

  • Over the last 5 months ( years when you consider Catholic priests) there have been a lot of clergyman who are sexual abusers. Why? Is morality so hard to achieve? Are they so into preaching against sex, that they get aroused? What is it with the clergy and perversion that go hand and hand?

  • I could have sworn that religion and lovin’ Jesus and all that makes people tremendously moral…

    Except when it doesn’t.

    But hey, I’m a Baptist. I can still tell other people that I have the complete moral authority to tell other people, to define for other people, how they should lead their lives.

    And Remember just how often Jesus used the phrase “scribes! Pharisees! And other people!”

  • Oh, lord, when will the self righteous Christians show up here and start denouncing us as god haters, religion haters, immoral, sinners, reprobates, hypocrites,haters of all that is good and holy for taking a bit of joy in yet one more morality- trumpeting hypocrite- who of course will be forgiven by sock puppet Jesus, as well as by every other morality trumpeting hypocrite…?

    5, 4, 3, 2, 1….

  • Dr. Page came to my attention when he had an inappropriate relationship with completely bogus confederate “lost cause” propaganda.

    CALL TO PRAYER: The thorn room leads to the throne room
    by Frank S. Page, posted Friday, May 24, 2013
    Baptist Press.

    No, a confederate soldier most definitely did not compose “Taps.” How dare you put it into people’s minds that they’re suppose to think of the Confederate cause when they hear that song.

  • I have one message for the Southern Baptists: it’s time to turn the Page and start a new Chapter in your life.

  • Can I just say something to you here? Why do you have to be so damn right all the time! ???

    These are the kinds of people who are in the orbit of the world I live in. Not all are guilty of moral misdeeds you and I both know that. But that’s not a defense anyone outside the orbit is willing to accept because that’s not the issue. Selective moral standards are the issue, that’s the bad fruit that is being produced, that attitude is an epidemic in this circle. The affairs and what ever else might come out just shine a light on the attitudes.

  • With the exception of Roman Catholic clergy (vowed to celibacy in order to be ordained, whether truly called to that state or not, w/ the pressure AND cover that brings), I doubt that clergy are particularly “perverse”.

    They’re just particularly hypocritical (moreso in Fundamentalist denominations).

  • (pardon the interruption, Bill, but I seem to be banned on Bilgrimmage. Never having had problems there, I wonder if this is in error?)

  • Kick a man when he’s down:
    What a nice, dignified way to act — just like the Scribes and Pharisees two millennia ago!

    The man committed a sin — a sin that he views as severe; a sin that may have a sexual nature. Rather than seeking to cover it or weasel out of it or waiting for someone to denounce him, he confesses, removes himself from his high position, and begins the process of repentance.

    The best course of action is to avoid sin, no doubt about it. This man was unwise: he sinned. He is sorry for it. I daresay he would make restitution if restitution could be made — but how does one restore lost virtue and dignity? (That is why murder and sexual transgression and character assassination are so serious: difficulty of restitution.)

    For me, I think the man is doing all he can do to repent. What more would YOU, who criticize, demand of him?

  • There are no great men in the pulpits today…..Bruce Barton, author of the best-selling, The Man Nobody Knows.

  • Mr. Steele is welcome to his bitterness and angst, if that’s what he wants. But his indignation is totally one-sided, therefore I’m not losing any sleep on it. Happy hating, Mr. Steele (and Mr. Lindsey).

    Meanwhile, I keep noticing how equally matched both Trump and Hillary are in the sin department. 2016 was simply about choosing the lesser of two evils.

    Trump had “Extramarital Affairs.” Hillary had “Open Marriage.” Confidential arrangements? Stormy Daniels with Trump, Paula Jones with Clintons. Enforcers & Bullies? Anonymous Guy for Trump, Hillary Clinton for Bill. You get the picture — on both sides.

  • I would not have spent my entire professional life condemning others for the very “sin” that I myself was guilty of.

    Just me.

  • Their followers are taking care of that.

    Numbers of new church members and offerings have been on the decline for decades.

  • The bigger issue may be this…

    As one is granted more and more of a public leadership role…I can imagine one’s ego growing until the mindset develops that one is above normal societal norms.

    You sometimes hear the idea “He deserves to have an affair because he is so busy and dedicated to the cause. It’s just an outlet…etc.”

    It seems to apply to men in all manner of powerful or public positions.

  • Maybe try not to diddle in the first place. But yeah I see your point….the guy screwed up….he lost his job….I would wish him the same thing i would wish anyone who screws up and has to pay the price…..learn from your mistakes and make amends.

  • Presumably,there were only TWOpeople involved. So who was it that “broke the news.”

  • My husband has the same complaint!

    But I agree with you. I really don’t care that he had his “inappropriate relationship.” That is between him, his wife, and his god. It’s not my business, except that Mr. Page made my quite appropriate relationship of 16 years HIS business.

    I am an unrepentant sinner, an enemy of god, faith, family, morality etc etc etc etc because I live my life authentically and with fulfillment according to my nature, harming no one and living in peace with my neighbors. He, on the other hand, was merely “inappropriate”, but since he has repented, and is sure that Jesus has forgiven him for betrayal of his vows, his faith, his wife, his family, and his claim to being a moral arbiter for other people, it’s all good.

    Selective moral standards are indeed the issue.

  • It isn’t hate to point out christian hypocrisy. And it isn’t hate to point out that Mrs. Clinton stayed in her marriage despite Bill’s infidelity. trump is on his third marriage, and was still effing around after he married melanoma, after the birth of his son, and was paying off people in REALITY rather than the silly conspiracy theories you and your ilk promote about mRs. Clinton.

    You have the morals of Frank Page.

  • No, the bigger issue is the issue at hand without scampering off on some psychosocial, totally tangential supposition as to motive. The issue is that men and women like Page become rich and powerful condemning all aspects of the human condition in others that do not align with their warped interpretation of a 3000-year-old dietary and lifestyle guide inside a collection of Bronze Age desert tribal bigotries. When they themselves are exposed committing the same “sins”, they ask for the respect and distance and simple human kindness that they could never muster for the objects of their bile.

    The issue is the colossal hypocrisy of the religious in this country and in particular the evangelical, dominionist Right exhibited by Page’s behavior. And more so by his flock when they excuse him without question.

  • No self-respecting Christian would resign a leadership position like this over being caught with a female prostitute. This was man-on-man or inter-special.

  • The article at the Pen & Pulpit website about the resignation ends with:

    “We hope and pray that Dr. Page is brought to repentance, and that his marriage can overcome this hardship. We pray for his wife and children. We also pray for the other person involved, and we hope that they receive the help they need as well.”

    What a curious choice of words this is, especially given the secrecy about the nature of the so-called “sins”, and, Presumably, the more inside Information that the riders at pen and pulpet might have.

    The gender of “the other person involved” is not disclosed, not to mention, the use of the word “they”, which is a plural pronoun. Not to mention, since there were presumably only two “persons“ involved in this most private of sins, How did this become public knowledge?

    More and more, This person, at the very least, is beginning to think that there is a great deal more to the story then we will find out, at least with the willing participation of Mr. page.

  • The problem ain’t that Hillary stayed in the marriage. Shoot, Bill himself stayed in the marriage. The problem(s) are what Hillary herself did and agreed to do — multiple times, and quite deliberately — within that marriage.

    Trump’s enemies want evangelicals to forget about Hillary’s mess and publicly pretend that it’s only Trump who got sexual sins & issues. But that attitude amounts to one-sided hypocrisy. Please own up to it.

    Side note: Based on the posts you’ve posted in this forum, and equally based on the posts I’ve posted in this forum, it’s clear that Frank Page’s overall moral track record is approximately 100 times better than both of us combined. Consider well.

  • Right wing propaganda about what the Clintons did or did not do hardly qualify as actual facts. When you have some charges and proof, not mere allegations by barely credible people, let me know.

    But you won’t. You can’t.

    And let me repeat, Mr. “Divorced and Remarried Without One of you Committing Adultery.” First, you are hardly qualified to comment on anyone else’s marriage. Second, they stayed in their marriage, unlike you and unlike Trump. That is a value that you claim To uphold, a biblical value that you obviously don’t ascribe to.

    As far as page is concerned, I would not care to make any comment about his track record. I have no idea, and neither do you. What I do know is that:

    1) he was caught, at least for this time,

    2) and had he not been caught, we probably never would have heard about it.

    3) his track record is unknown, but I’m wiling to guess, like that other guy caught last week, that it most likely wasn’t th first time, and

    4j that he conveniently forgot how his religion was supposed to be making him moral, just moral enough to claim that I and millions of people like me are not moral, while forgetting that…

    5) someone not important to moralizing busybodies had far more to say on that subject than he does about me.

  • I can understand your anger and chagrin, Mr. Lee. A little bit.

    You want to claim that you represent an entire minority community — which doesn’t and will not stand with you in your idolazation of white evangelicals and their agenda.

    It must feel pretty grim to find yourself a, well, I think the word is “token.”

    Meanwhile, many of us find the inspiration of African-American Christians like Mr. Steele, who are willing to speak truth to power, inspiring — and a reminder of how Jesus acted. And how he got himself crucified . . . .

    Something that will NEVER happen to the white evangelicals idolozing the moral monstrostity in the White House . . . .

    Your false equivalency meme regarding that moral monstrosity and Mrs. Clinton is frankly childish.

  • Dear, Frank

    I just read the tweets from your professional Christian friends. Frank, someone needs to be frank with you. As a non professional Christian let me ask you a question in a very frank, very unprofessionally Christian way. Just who the fuc4 do you think you are that you can embarrass God or His Kingdom? Listen to me Frank. Your professional Christian twitter friends aren’t going to ask you that question Frank. They can’t Frank, they really need to but the can’t, so you need to listen to me Frank, please.
    Frank, I got out my concordance and I looked up embarrassed, Frank it’s only in the Bible three times. Frank the first time it’s mentioned is in Judges chapter 3 verse 25. I’m pretty sure I’ve read the story before but I didn’t remember it. Anyway the slaves of a fat king who has been assinated are standing outside his locked palace doors, and it says they waited to the point of embarrasment. They thought he was taking a sh1t Frank so that doesn’t apply to you.
    Ruth 2:15 Frank the book of Ruth is about a lady named Ruth. If you haven’t read it she doesn’t become a preacher or anything. Had anyone let her preach that might have embarrassed God and you could possibly substantiate your embarrassment claim with scripture. I say lucky for you she didn’t preach, Ruth was willing to work to the point of embarrassment while gleaning by gathering in the sheaves to care for her flock of one. That is why Boaz told his men “even if she gathers among the sheaves, don’t embarrass her.” That ain’t you Frank.
    Two Corinthians 7:14 Frank, and by the way, rumor has it this is one our presidents favorite books, Paul says, “I had boasted to Titus about you, and you have not embarrassed me.” Frank I need you to learn something, then you need to teach it to your buddies who preach it. I need you to learn it…no, you need you to learn it not like you know it, not like you talk it. You need to learn it like you live it.
    Ready Frank? Here it is. It’s what Paul says before to the Corinthians before he says he’s not embarrassed by them. I’m gonna quote what he wrote and I want you to see the difference between what he writes to people who don’t much about our Lord to encourage them and the sh1t statement you wrote about yourself.

    Corinthians chapter 7:8-13
    8 Even if I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it. Though I did regret it—I see that my letter hurt you, but only for a little while— 9 yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. 10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. (Frank, I feel as though I need to interject here. “I embarrassed my Lord, I embarrassed His Kingdom” that’s worldly sorrow Frank, and frankly that’s bull sh1t that leads to death Frank.) 11 See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter. 12 So even though I wrote to you, it was neither on account of the one who did the wrong nor on account of the injured party, but rather that before God you could see for yourselves how devoted to us you are. 13 By all this we are encouraged.
    Frank, you’ve been caught gathering in the sheaves. If you read the book of Ruth you knew not to embarrass those who gathered in the sheaves. Frank see how Ruth was the outsider? Frank can you see a line between two dots here? Frank, get the fuc4 over yourself so you can finally be the kind of leader God intended you be. Live what you know, be a Boaz. And don’t talk like this to children, only hand wringing adults acting like children. Do what needs to be done to get well and be well, for others and yourself friend, God is not embarrassed Frank.

  • You seem rather upset again, Ben. Always a bad sign when you start typing mile-long posts. Something get under your skin, perhaps? But let’s begin.

    You really want to ask for “Proof” on what Hillary did? What Slick Willie did? The tag-team stuff, the confidential arrangements?

    Not even the media is putting up a fight on the topic anymore. Too many women have come forward on both Willy & Hillary. Hillary’s “po’ little innocent wife” script is LONG gone out da window. Nothing you can do on it.

  • Oh wait, I see. You said I have “the morals of Frank Page.”

    So I said, Page has beat us both by a wide margin in the morals gig, especially if you look at the personal stuff we’ve shared in this forum.

    But now you wanna get all upset about that tiny claim? Talk about a struck nerve!

    We’re all sinners, and Christ is the Solution for all of us. If we accept Him as Ruler & Savior, He’ll do a 1 Cor. 6:11 on us. Then it won’t matter whose track record says what. Why not go there?

  • There is nothing fine or rational about the hypocrisy of fundamentalist religious goons.

  • Hmm. I didn’t say anything about “an entire minority community” in my reply, let alone claim to be representing an minority community. (Gotta love those attempted deflections, yes?)

    But Steele is in NO position to dictate what to preach or not-preach to black evangelicals (or even white evangelicals, for that matter.) He can do his hate and anger all he wants, but nobody is obliged to submit to that hatred.

    Meanwhile, both Trump & Hillary have long laundry lists. Two sides, not one.

  • You are an unrepentant sinner, Ben. You’re no better than Page, I’m no better than Page.

    We’re all sinners (Rom. 3:23). There is no “better than.” There’s just “repentant sinner” and “unrepentant sinner.”

    If Page’s admission of sin and repentance is for real, then yes, Jesus gonna forgive and clean him up, and restore his fellowship and peace with God, even though he must step down from his position.

    You can’t stop Jesus from doing all that for Page, and it clearly ain’t working for you to hate on Jesus for doing it. If you and I want what Jesus offers, you and I gotta get with Him. Unrepentance don’t work.

  • Thank you sir. No cause for sorrow. The last time I posted, I had wished larrymotuz well on his trip, and my posts were removed. It was strange at the time, but when I tried to post again it didn’t work. Very kind of you to look into it. Thank you.

  • floydlee you are simply supporting a cult that was founded to overthrow the English government. When the Calvinists were exiled to the colonies they set up theocratic governments which murdered anyone they disliked. This eventually morphed into the Southern Baptist Cult which is about 99% political and 1% or less religious.

  • This!!!!!^^^^^^^^^

    One million times THIS.

    “Just who the fuc4 do you think you are that you can embarrass God or His Kingdom?”

    the special sense of holiness, of specialness, of self importance. This is what someone gets when he gets used to the idea that he speaks for god, that he is God’s BFFF.

    A little bit of megalomania goes a very long way.

  • I am not an unrepentant sinner. that’s your idea to bring ME down to YOUR level. Or worse yet, to Page’s level.

    I have no issue with repentance, if I have caused harm to another person. But I have no interest in repenting for imaginary crimes against an imaginary being that you imagine is offended based upon the imaginings of people 2000 years ago.

    Likewise, you have a fanatasy— misspelling intentional—that I must hate Jesus. It’s just another ploy to bring me down toyour level. I can’t hate what I don’t believe exists, any more than the 6 billion— count ’em!!!!! — people who also don’t think Jesus exists hate him. But you must tell yourself that I do, because that way, you can bring me down to YOUR level, all the while raising yourself (in your own mind only, of course) above me.

    Your psychology is as obvious as it is facile, puerile, rude, and nasty.

    Like Teddy Haggard before him, he got caught. that is why he repented. Most likely, without that little detail, he never would have had cause to repent. Like every catholic priest caught molesting a child, like every Protestant preacher caught with his hands down the cookie jars‘ pants— three big names in the last two weeks with their “inappropriate relationships”— like every single other moralizing, scolding busybody that got caught doing what he condemns others for doing— or, what he didn’t do (or maybe he does), or doesn’t want to do (or maybe he does) …

    HE GOT CAUGHT!!!!

    HIS RELIGION, SUPPOSEDLY TEACHING HIM MORALS, TAUGHT HIM ONLY ABOUT SIN AND REPENTANCE.

    Well, that— and hypocrisy, judgmentalism, compassion of the sort that is riddled with authoritarianism, and invincible ignorance.

    Civilized people call that a “get out of hell free!” card. That and $2 will buy you a cup of coffee at any Starbucks.

  • And while we are on the discussion of morality, pastors, and how Christianity makes you a moral person….

    A Houston megachurch pastor and longtime spiritual adviser to President George W. Bush was indicted in federal court Thursday on claims that he sold more than $1 million in worthless Chinese bonds to vulnerable and elderly investors, some of whom lost their life savings to the alleged scheme.

    A federal grand jury in Shreveport, La., returned a 13-count indictment accusing the Rev. Kirbyjon H. Caldwell and financial planner Gregory Alan Smith of wire fraud, money laundering and conspiracy, prosecutors said in a news release.

    The two men were also sued by the Securities and Exchange Commission in the same federal court on allegations that they violated financial laws. According to prosecutors, Caldwell used his influence as the pastor of the 16,000-member Village United Methodist Church to dupe investors into buying historical Chinese bonds issued decades ago.

  • Since you want to tell me all about morality and faith, I would suggest you read THIS:

    A Houston megachurch pastor and longtime spiritual adviser to President George W. Bush was indicted in federal court Thursday on claims that he sold more than $1 million in worthless Chinese bonds to vulnerable and elderly investors, some of whom lost their life savings to the alleged scheme.

    A federal grand jury in Shreveport, La., returned a 13-count indictment accusing the Rev. Kirbyjon H. Caldwell and financial planner Gregory Alan Smith of wire fraud, money laundering and conspiracy, prosecutors said in a news release.

    The two men were also sued by the Securities and Exchange Commission in the same federal court on allegations that they violated financial laws. According to prosecutors, Caldwell used his influence as the pastor of the 16,000-member Village United Methodist Church to dupe investors into buying historical Chinese bonds issued decades ago.

  • Unless there is a pattern of abuse of power, I don’t think that people generally should resign for this. I think if there is a pattern of it, yes, but where is the forgiveness, and why our obsession about this?

  • I do understand your bitterness and angst, Mr. Lee.

    You want to represent yourself here as a spokesperson for a community of Christians who, in fact, don’t stand with you.

    Rather, you do not stand with them.

    You stand, instead, with a community of Christians who want to keep oppression of your own community alive.

    It would create bitterness and angst in me, too, to find myself in such an untenable situation — with hardly anyone other than the white evangelicals to whom you constantly give voice and credibility listening to you.

    While many of us who are Christian and interested in hearing the gospel eager to hear what Rev. William J. Barber, Michael J. Steele, and countless other faithful African-American Christians have to say to us.

  • Additional remarks:
    A church is not a museum for angels — a church is a hospital for sinners — and church leaders are patients who have bravely left their sick-beds for a time to do what they can to help other patients get better.

    Satan works harder on prominent Christians than he does on obscure, face-in-the-crowd Christians. If some Christian not in a leadership position had committed the same sin that the Reverend Mr. Page committed, little notice would have been taken of it — yet the Reverend Mr. Page’s sin has caused no little consternation.

    In the words of Samuel Taylor Coleridge: “The man hath penance done, And penance more will do.”

  • Maybe mr. Page can take the to explain how it is that family oriented gay people are destroying the sanctity of marriage.

    I wait with bated breath.

  • If a church is a hospital for sinners, It must be one of the few hospitals where the doctors are sicker than a good many of the patients. And where if the patients don’t get better, it is the fault of the patients and not of the doctors.

    But sure, blame it all on satan, who is not here to defend himself. Why blame it on doctors that are so busy curing their patients of imaginary diseases that they don’t have any time at all to deal with their own real ones.

    The great physician was in fact an opthamologist, who specifically said that it was necessary to remove logs from one’s own eyes before trying to deal with the motes in the eyes of others. But what did he know about the subject?

  • Sadly, the hypocritsian sect is both sanctimoniously immoral and LOUDLY points out as BEAMS the motes it sees in others’ eyes.

  • I call them hypocritsians, a heretical sect that ‘believes in’ Jesus but wants nothing to do with his teachings.

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