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‘Ignorance’ feeds anti-Semitism in the Arab world

A cartoon depicting the German entry into Nabeul, Tunisia, in 1942. Image by Rafael Ozen via Yad Ben-Zvi Institute

JERUSALEM (RNS) — Experts on world anti-Semitism have long known that Arabic-language media outlets and social media are full of anti-Semitic cartoons, articles and opinion columns that portray Jews and Israelis as evil monsters.

But knowing about the problem isn’t the same as addressing it.

How to deal with the problem was the challenge posed to panelists at the sixth Global Forum for Combating Antisemitism, in a session titled “Antisemitism in Arabic-Language Mass Media: New Strategies for the Advancement of Inter-Semitic Understanding.” The conference, organized by the Israeli government, was held in Jerusalem last week.

According to a 2017 report from the Anti-Defamation League, President Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital exacerbated the anti-Semitism that has existed in many Arab countries for decades.

In some instances, cartoons used “dehumanizing animal imagery, for example presenting Israel as a dog or a worm devouring the Dome of the Rock,” the report says. Another cartoon, in the Qatari press, presented Israel as a blue octopus, with a hooked nose, yarmulke and pointed teeth, wrapping its arms around the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Ari Bell, Middle Eastern affairs analyst for the Anti-Defamation League, said that although the Quran contains some anti-Semitic references, it is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that is fueling most of the anti-Semitism in today’s Middle East.

“Arabs view everything through that prism. Once they gain a greater understanding of what anti-Semitism is, it will be easier to converse” about it, Bell said.

Haim Saadoun, director of the Center for Information, Documentation and Research on North-African Jewry during WWII at the Yad Ben-Zvi Institute, noted that younger Arabs “have no idea the Holocaust also occurred in Muslim countries in North Africa.”

The center’s Arabic-language website seeks to educate Arabs and others about the Jewish communities in Algeria, Morocco, Libya and Tunisia. The vast majority of Jews in Arab countries fled government-backed persecution in the 1940s-1960s.

“There are hundreds of web pages of Holocaust denial” in the Arab world “but almost nothing in Arabic that combats this denial,” Saadoun said. “We’re teaching Arabs about their own history.”

Arabic speakers from dozens of countries are logging on to the website.

When the administrators asked readers whether they could help identify the details of a photo showing a Jewish man wearing a yellow star, it received hundreds of photos of the location in Tunisia as it appears today.

“We also received a film from a young man in Sfax (Tunisia) showing many Jews going out into the streets when the city was liberated by Allied soldiers on April 10, 1943. For the Muslim viewer, it shows the common fate of Jews and Muslims in Muslim countries,” said Tamar Fuks, Saadoun’s colleague at the center.

Fuks said that for many Arabs, the Holocaust “is subordinated to the Israeli-Palestinian dynamic. They believe that if they learn about the Holocaust they are somehow supporting Israel.”

Abdullah Swalha, director of the Center for Israel Studies in Amman, Jordan, said he never learned about the Holocaust as a student.

“We have to bring this discussion out into the open. We need to know the difference between anti-Semitism and criticizing Israel’s government.”

Swalha said foreign governments that support Arab nongovernmental organizations, including the United States, should make funding conditional on a pledge to steer clear of anti-Semitic statements and publications.

He emphasized that “some people are just ignorant, and that is why education is so important.”

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  • baloney
    Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
    That type of thing is their impetus. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/01/ryerson-parts-ways-with-imam-whose-teachings-are-under-investigation

    http://www.canada.com/news/local+news/vancouver+imam+urges+sending+weapons+palestinians+fight/15440191/story.html

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/montreal-mosque-facing-calls-for-investigation-as-video-shows-imam-preaching-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theories

  • Yet fundamentalist Muslims (am I being redundant?) are ready to protest and murder when their precious Mohammed is the subject of an unflattering cartoon. I’m grateful our fundamentalist Christians seldom resort to violence in the face of insults.

  • “It is the ISRAELI-Palestinian conflict that is fueling most of the anti-Semitism in today’s Middle East”? DUH.

    But wait, for that THESIS to actually come from “the conference, organized by the ISRAELI government, … held in Jerusalem last week”, I take that DUH back.

    And am left speechless except with only, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem.”

    Sounds familiar?

    Here’s a crazy idea. How about “the ISRAELI government” stop their anti-Arabiaism, then maybe “anti-Semitism in today’s Middle East” will stop, too?

  • With how the story of the Holocaust has been used by some to justify the Occupation and continued confiscation of land, it is wrong, but quite understandable, for some Arabs to deny the Holocaust.

    But there is another bigotry that must be mentioned when talking about the sad problem with anti-Semitism whether it is in the Arab world or outside of it. That is the anti-Arab bigotry that some Israelis embrace. Again, their bigotry is wrong, but it is also quite understandable when one considers how those Israelis have suffered through the terrorist attacks conducted by some Palestinians and their sympathizers.

    There is bigotry held onto by some from both sides against the other. And though the above article is important, it doesn’t paint a complete enough picture of the problems with bigotry there.

  • The reactionaries who falsely claim to be Christian are very quick to resort to or provoke violence. Charlotte serves as an excellent example.

  • A fast and permanent solution:

    Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    • A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinkerbells? etc) exist that we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    “The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother’s womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. “

  • There’s an old saying: The Bible contains all things necessary for salvation, but not everything in the Bible is necessary for salvation. I suspect the same can be said of the Quran.

  • This is why your ancestors fought for the Protestant Reformation and Europe’s Age of Reason!

  • Point taken.

    By any chance, did these slaughters (i.e. slaughters committed by Protestants) stop after John Locke’s paper on toleration?

    I ask this because there is research that that paper was the one that showed a major difference between Protestant theology and Catholic theology: Protestant theology forbids using the state’s legislative (and coercive) power to deal with insults, unflattering cartoons and the like.

    In contrast, the Vatican did have the power (in the Middle Ages) to issue something similar to Islam’s fatwa in order to deal with insults, unflattering cartoons and the like.

  • I suspect that a specious propaganda with ulterior motive potrays Muslims as anti- Jewish. Judaism and Islam have many things in common. Prophet Abraham, Moses and all the other biblical Prophets are revered by Judaism, Christainity and Islam. You will not have any Muslims make caricature of the Prophets for the laugh ! It is the Israel government brutality on the Palestinians that angers most Muslims and people of conscience including notable Jewish personalities. You do not shoot, incarcerate women and children and expect applause the world over. You do not terrorise a nation whose land you have occupied by American firepower.

  • The Quran has positive and negative opinions of Jews in it. The earlier messages are positive and then Muhammed realized that Jews would not convert to Islam and he turned negative and started to attack Jews.

    Yes, Islam reveres Moses, but that doesn’t stop it from being antisemitic. This goes back to before Israel’s exixtence.

    What is happening in Gaza is no excuse for antisemitism and especially antisemitism against non-Israeli Jews.

    In some cities in Iran, Jews couldn’t go outside when it was raining because they might contaminate their Muslim neighbors.

  • The Holocaust does justify Israel’s existence, but has nothing to do with the current occuaption of the West Bank or what’s happening in Gaza. Arab antisemitism goes back to before the existence of israel.

  • “Antisemitism in Arab and Muslim world goes back before Israel’s existence” and that’s why “it is the ISRAELI-Palestinian conflict that is fueling most of the anti-Semitism in today’s Middle East”?

    WWWHHHAAATTT???!!!

  • Susan,
    Let me quote from a Jewish friend of mine on her thoughts on Israel (see http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00067.htm ):


    I grew up feeling the pathos expressed in the declaration, “Never again!” However, you just understand that this not an exclusive directive. When it is not applied to *all* human beings it rings a hollow tone. You appear to have learned far more from the behavior of your oppressors, than from the experience of being oppressed. Yet you continue to see yourselves as victims. I see a nation that behaves as dangerously as any fanatical
    survivalist cult, rather than a rational, wise and just society. Realize now, that survival without meaning is not living.

    See, if all the Holocaust taught you was how could could be a victim, you ignore the fact of you can be a victimizer as well. When people use the Holocaust to justify the mistreatment of others, then you exasperate pre-existing problems. And not all that is going on in Gaza is due to Arab anti-Semitism that predates the Holocaust. Much of what is going on in Gaza is dealing with the present. back to the beginning of the Occupation..

  • I only said the Holocaust justified Israel’s existence. I didn’ say it justifies the actions of the Israeli government. If she thinks that by existing Israel is copying their oppressors, she’s wrong. It trivializes the Holocaust.

    You still think I need lectures on basic morality. I don’t especially not from you or your Jewish friend. You don’t even understand what I was saying. I’ve said more than once that I don’t support the occupation or the settlements. I won’t say any more because I shouldn’t have to prove myself to you.

  • Susan,
    sorry, but I am tired of you playing being insulted when I speak my mind. I neither insulted you nor condescended to you. On other hand, you feel free to put words in my mouth. Please note what I quoted and wrote and what that was in response to. For you wrote:


    The Holocaust does justify Israel’s existence, but has nothing to do
    with the current occuaption of the West Bank or what’s happening in
    Gaza. Arab antisemitism goes back to before the existence of israel.

    And I responded with


    I grew up feeling the pathos expressed in the declaration, “Never again!” However, you just understand that this not an exclusive directive. When it is not applied to *all* human beings it rings a hollow tone…

    The only lesson you associated with the Holocaust was the need for Israel to become a state. And yet Israel became a state by harming others and declaring that some have a privileged position over others in Israel due to their ethnicity. At this point, you should note some of the rest of the quote:


    You appear to have learned far more from the behavior of your oppressors, than from the experience of being oppressed.

    I remember what I had to write to you at the end of our last correspondence. I said something to the effect that a Jewish state could not achieve a real democracy because no state dominated by an ethnic, and I would include religious, group could do that. I wrote that because you felt insulted that I didn’t think a Jewish state could achieve a real democracy.

    The Jews definitely need a safe place. In fact, every place should be safe for them. But does making Israel a Jewish state and having it treat the Palestinians the way that it does, or having it invade Lebanon on occasion, or having it having taken land from Syria, or bombing nations that are developing technologically make Israel safe and the Jews more respected? I am very afraid that it doesn’t.

    The lesson from Church history is clear. Those times when the Church sided with wealth and power at the expense of morality and people caused unnecessary persecution of the Church by those who achieved their revolutionary goals. And Here I am talking about the French, Russian, and Spanish Revolutions.

    What we are seeing in Israel with its abuse of power is a human problem that all groups are susceptible to exhibiting . And learning how others paid for abusing power can be quite helpful and may prevent unnecessary suffering for any willing to learn.

  • If it’s a human problem, then it’s not about Jews”learning from our oppressors.” That Israel should exist is certainly not the only lesson that can and should be learned from the Holocaust. It maybe the only one I’ve mentioned in our discussion, because it was relevant. There are far too many “progressive” people calling Zionists Nazis.

    “yet Israel became a state by harming others and declaring that some have a privileged position over others in Israel due to their ethnicity”

    That’s not true. I’m not going to go through our old disagreement. You do act as if I never said that I oppose the occupation and the settlements. I don’t support what’s happening in Gaza. For a variety of reasons, the left and peace movement in Israel has not been effective in reaching out to average Israelis.

    Yes, Jews should be safe everywhere, but it hasn’t happened yet and may take a millennia for it to happen. Jews aren’t even safe in Western Europe, especially in France. There has been growing antisemitism on the left in Britain. No, it’s not “criticism of Israel.” When you think the Rothschillds control the world’s banking system, it’s not anti-capitalism, It’s just antisemitism. If you think Zionist control the media, that’s criticism of Israel or even a valid criticism of Zionism. It’s just old wine in a new bottle. This happens daily in the UK.
    In Central and Eastern Europe, polls say that majority of the population don’t want Jews as fellow citizens. Jews have lived in some countries for many centuries in relative peace and then something happens and that period of peace ends and periods of persecution start up again.

    I still rather have Israel exist then not exist. If Israel didn’t exist, I would be there helping to create it. I can live in America because Israel exists. History teaches many lessons. My father died a week before his 90th birthday and he believed that people have always hated Jews and always will. I can understand why he thought that way., although I don’t agree. Antisemitism has been much more resilient than I thought it would be. How do you prove you’re not part of a conspiracy?

  • The French Enlightenment was extremely antisemitic. Luther wasn’t any kinder to the Jews than the Catholic Church. There is a direct line from Luther’s pamphlet “On the Jews and their LIes” to Kristallnacht. Luther advocated buring synagogure with Jews inside.

  • Susan,
    In the instance of how Israel treats the Palestinians, that it is a human problem and that it is about Jews learning from their oppressors is not mutually exclusive. Why? Because other oppressors have done the same thing. Learning from one’s oppressors more than from the experience of being oppressed i a human problem.

    To give you another example of that human problem, then note how those who initially came to America from Europe did so to escape religious persecution only to become persecutors of those who held to a different faith here in America.

    As for today’s Israel, it is not the label that counts, it is Israel’s actions, as well as the actions of the Palestinians, that count. That is why I have maintained that America, Israel, and the Palestinians must all put themselves under the jurisdiction of the ICC.

    And yes, Israel harmed many on its way to becoming a nation. That too is a human problem. Again, one can use America as another example of employing that practice.

    Finally, is it more important for Israel to exist or for the Jews to exist? I ask that because the moral price Israel is paying in order to exist as a nation is threatening the existence of the Jews. It would have been far better for Israel to exist as a binational state rather than a Jewish state. As it stands now, either too many people are being put into the position of having nothing to lose or those who have nothing to lose are gaining more and more sympathizers. And in an age of advancing technology when the proliferation of WMDs becomes inevitable, that spells certain doom first for those who oppress, and then for the rest of us.

  • Then Jews are bad learners. The Palestinians population grows every year. Hadassah Hospital, a Zionist institution, hires Arab doctors and treats Palestinians and Arabs from everywhere the same way they treat Jews. It’s not just Israel’s actions you don’t approve of it’s Zionism.
    The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are inter-related. A bi-national would not have worked for either side. It’s a fantasy. I still support a two-state solution and no it hasn’t become impossible.
    There is also a vast difference between criticizing Israel and believing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a Russian era, Czarist secret police forgery, is true. Israel has also been used as an excuse for anti-Semitism, but it’s not the real cause.

  • Agreed.

    Suppose that we want to trace how the status of the Jewish people has changed, from second class status around 1400 to full citizenship, say, around 1800. (These are rough dates). What would be the important milestones on this path? I suggest that the Protestant Reformation and Europe’s Age of Reason are two of those milestones.

    The following link suggests that the Jewish emancipation in Europe emerged as a consequence of “the spirit of Enlightenment”:

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-emancipation-in-western-europe/

  • Susan,
    Never said that the Jews are bad learners. Those with power, however, act like others who have gained power. I don’t have to tell you that Jews have a variety of opinions on the Occupation.

    And, equality in society cannot proven with single examples. Check the allowance of building permits, money spent per student in education, rights to certain land, and so forth.

    BTW, a bi-natoinal state is the only solution however imperfect. Let me ask this: is a white Christian state the only solution for America’s racial problems? Or is the attempt at such a state the source of the problem.

    As for the two-state solution, there has been so much destruction to the Palestinian economy and infastructure as well as confiscation of land, and there is the Israeli gov’t’s suspicions over any neighborthat becomes a peer to Israel developmentally, that a two-state solution is not a realistic possibility.

    Finally, why mention the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? I have never read it nor do I care to. In fact, most of my information on Israeal and the Occupation comes from Jewish sources, many of them from Israel.

  • The Enlightenment was still anti-Semitic. Jews began to be accepted as individuals, but not as Jews. Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition by David Nirenberg. Read his chapter on the Enlightenment.

  • I can well believe that.

    What about today? Today, does the West accept Jews as Jews, and not merely as individuals? If the answer is Yes, what is the milestone at which that change occurred?

  • I said the Jews were bad learners because they didn’t follow in the footsteps of their oppressors. The UN decided that a two-state solution was necessary. It still is. I don’t accept that it is now impossible.
    I mentioned The Protocols to demonstrate that anti-Semitism in the Arab world or anywhere else is not just about Israel. Even when it is about Israel, it makes Israel a uniquely evil country.
    I repeat I have always opposed the occupation and the settlements. The way to end the occupation is to work with Israelis that are trying to change the situation in effective ways.

    Everything I say isn’t directed at you personally. I am just trying to make a point.

  • Susan,
    The IDF was just shooting at unarmed protesters. The IDF has killed far more Palestinian civilians than Palestinian terrorsts have kill Israelis. Israel continues to confiscate land and remove Palestinian from their homes while giving that land to Jewish settlers. Of course that doesn’t count the number of Palestinians who are arrested with no legal recourse or how Israel cuts off water supplies and electricity to parts of the Occupied territories. So what is it that Israel hasn’t learned from its oppressors?

    I oppose anyone who says Israel is uniquely evil. Someone tried to post a comment saying something to that effect on my blog and I deleted it immediately. A history of being harshly persecuted with ever increasing access to power makes any group dangerous. The same would be true if the Palestinians received an influx of unchecked power.

    For as long as power flower flows into the hands ot the Israeli gov’t and they are not held accountable for what they do, the status quo will continue. The first stop toward peace is putting all involved groups under the same laws. Otherwise, you have done nothing but support privilege and we see how people use privilege to exploit others.

  • Hamas has total access to power in Gaza. They shot Palestinian Authority leaders before the last elections.
    What is happening in Gaza has nothing to do with anything I said. You don’t think Israel is uniquely evil, but yet you accuse Israel and Jews of learning from Nazis. That seems uniquely evil to me.

  • It’s hard to say. There is still a great deal of anti-Semitism on the right and left in Europe.

  • Susan,
    They have power in Gaza, but am not sure if they have total access to power.

    Actually, it was my Jewish friend who accused Israel of learning from its oppressors. And I simply cited some instances where Israel has done so and you are assuming that the only oppressors being referenced are the Nazis. But how Israel is displacing Palestinians in order to make homes for Jewish Settlers resembles not how the Nazis treated the Jews, whom they attempted to exterminate, it resembled the repatriation of Poland as Polish families were removed from their homes and businesses and those who were German Poles were given those homes and businesses.

    So while you attempt to misrepresent me, the details of what is happening where the IDF was shooting unarmed protesters from Gaza stil stand out.

    No, I don’t think the Jews are uniquely evil. Imitating one’s oppressors is not being uniquely evil. Plus, the Jews are not a monolithic group. There are many degrees of agreement to disagreement Jews have with what the gov’t of Israel is doing. There are Jewish groups that oppose the Occupation and the abuse of Palestinians. There are Jews who refuse to serve in the military because of the Occupation. There are some Jews who agree with the Occupation but find fault with the extreme actions of their government. And there are those who fully support their government. I met two settlers who see no problem with taking land away from the Palestinians.

    But when we look at the government of Israel, we see that it does practice a lot of evil just as Hamas does. In fact, if you go American history, we see just as much evil, if not more, in how the American gov’t has treated people of color from Native Americans and Blacks on our own soil to people of color from other nations. In addition, Israel’s gov’t has learned some of what the Nazis did, but not the most reprehensible acts practiced by the Nazis.

    Now if you want play some victim card by misrepresenting me, our conversation is over. And that is what occurred in the past between us. You selectively pick points so as to misrepresent me. And I don’t have patience for that kind of childish manipulation. You know from our past discussions that I lay a substantial amount of blame for what Israel has done at the feet of European Christians because of their brutal anti-Semitism. How does blaming the Church as I do make the Jews uniquely evil? I’ve told you all this before and yet you try a cheap trick to misrepresent me.

    So either be rational and fair in your responses or our conversation is over.

  • I knew you were going to say that. Hamas took over by force. Yes there was an election, but Hamas physically attacked Palestinian Authority candidate. I remember reading that one was thrown off a building. It was only after the election that Israel imposed restrictions on Ga

    Just because someone is Jewish doesn’t mean they can’t be wrong or even antisemitic. I’ve seen British Jews give cover to the Labour party and say that there is no antisemitism in Labour and it’s all smears and lies.

  • The IHRA definition of antisemitsm

    On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to:

    Adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism:

    “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

    To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:

    Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

    Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

    Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

    Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

    Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.

    Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).

    Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

    Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

    Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

    Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

    Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

    Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

    Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

    Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

    Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

    Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.

  • Susan,
    Yes, just because someone is Jewish doesn’t mean that they can’t be wrong–that also applies to you. And, again, if you are going to misrepresent me by being selective in the comments you review, the conversation is over.

    BTW, my friend my friend whom I quoted is not anti-Semitic. So don’t even hint at that.

  • Susan,
    I don’t know why you are quoting all this stuff on anti-Semitism to me. I have not single Israel for criticism not leveled at other nations. And I have even laid a substantial amount of blame for Israel’s actions at the feet of some of my fellow Christians. I have also insisted that the same law be applied to Israel as should be applied to the Palestinians and America. In addition, more than half of those who have politically influenced me the most are Jewish with some being from Israel and some not.

    But anti-Semitism can’t be leveled at those who object to Israel as a Jewish state because such violates the equality of the non-Jewish indigenous people from Israel and the Occupied territories. Otherwise, insisting on equality for all in Israel and the Occupied territories is a form of anti-Semitism.

    It seems that that lengthy description of Anti-semitism being addressed to me could be a cheap way of you labeling me as being anti-Semitic. And that is all because of our disagreements. And you can’t clearly state otherwise, then our conversation is overt. I will not put up with anymore of your games.

  • You didn’t read my comment very carefully. I was the one who said Hamas took over by force. I never suggested that you said that. I do think that anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

  • Susan,
    This is what you wrote:


    I knew you were going to say that. Hamas took over by force.

    And you can think that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism all you want. But when the objection to Zionism is the lack equality for non-Jewish indigenous residents, then ethnic supremacy and the lack of equality is associated with Zionism.

    I know from past readings that Zionism itself is not a monolith. And that not all forms of Zionism oppose equality. But the de facto form does oppose equality..

  • Susan,
    I did read the entire list. But when you call someone anti-Semitic who wants the same rules for the Palestinians as they want for Israel and who does not see Jews as uniquely evil, then there is something amiss. It is as if you can only see the world from the perspective of a Jewish person. And only lack of empathy for others and exposure to other ideas produces such an insular view.

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